lefty/b/ thread! All Marxists, Anarchists, Socialists: report in!

>>742464475
These three things literally can not coexist together.
Fuck off.

>>742464475
hey

cucks gtfo ree.

Anarchist shan't be with you cuck

>>742464548
You fuck off classcuck

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Oh I see, a retard gathering. Lol

I think you misspelled autists, and Aspergers

>>742464830
A spectrum is haunting Europe...

FUCK OFF TO LEFTY /POL/

THIS IS FUCKING /b/

You have ruined 4chan, ruined America, ruined everything. Die in a cancer fire.

>>742464949
Nobody ruined anything. 4chan has ALWAYS been a left-wing board. /pol/ != 4chan as a whole

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>>742464475
reporting

>tfw che did nothing wrong

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>>742465011

>>742465079
t. mad stormnigger

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>>742464949
degenerate nazifag detected

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>>742464475

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All humans suck. The only things that's gonna help earth is if the fucking vulcans come down and straighten our asses out like the fucking childish ass race of narcissists we are.

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>>742464475
Socialist reporting in! Oh wait, looks like lefty here doesn't know what a "socialist" is.

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>>742464475
Communism is incompatible with anarchist beliefs, you pseudo-intellectual plebeian.

>>742465367
Communism is incompatible with reality.

>>742465249
This is the best communists can do. Make infographics that have no worth since they cannot be acted upon.
Elaborated and stretched nothing into more nothing.
>Haha! This theory that I can throw a ball 1 mile is flawless!
>Oh no I couldn't even throw the ball 500 yards what a disaster.

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Not sure l'd say /b/ has been a left board per se, but its certainly had a strong left current present from the beginning.

Socialist reporting in

Name a time in history when Communism has worked without referring to its historical track record of failure with "NOT REAL COMMUNISM!"

>>742464475
stormweenies steamed af ITT

>>742465259
This guy gets it.
Marx was right with his analysis of the capitalist society and its problems, especially for his time.
The only cure for all problems we have created is either the extinction of the human species or its change towards a truly social species where nobody is exploited for the benefit of another. That would be the society Marx had in mind, but it's just not compatible with the human race. Whoever defends capitalism has to take into account that it always means the exploitation of other people and we're just the lucky ones on the other side.

>>742465569
Vietnam did okay
Just like China

>>742465048
He was also racist

>>742465569
hunter gatherer period, 90% of human history

>>742464475
>marxism
>anarchy
pick one, you literally cannot have both

good nazi is a dead nazi

>>742464475
3edgy5me 19 year old first year in mommy and daddy paid for college.

Shut up and take an economy class since your half brain doesn't know how shit works yet.

Mr Marxist here posting shit on his iPad...

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american muslim liberal reporting for duties, what faceface will allah have me kills today

>>742464475
So why does communism get a free pass when they actually killed more people than the nazis? I've never understood this. The very same people screeching about how the nazis murdered so many will happily ignore the far larger kill count the communists racked up over the years.

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>>742466460
All the "people" Stalin killed were fascists

The world is legit better without them

>>742466082
That's true.
Most anarchists become Marxists once they turn 18.

>>742466604
So the soviets and chinese among others murdering their own citizens in far greater numbers than the nazis ever did was perfectly fine because they were all "fascists"?

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>>742466460

>yfw capitalism has killed more in the past 5 years alone

>>742466790
Earth needs to be regulated especially where there is overpopulation

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Anarcho Syndicalist reporting in

Oh boy would you look at all the nazis thinking we're the threat.

>>742464475
anarchy is not a side , it means you are free from the slavery of man's bullshit

>>742465823
Robot Overlords.

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>>742466916
Not even Kropotkin believed bludgers who didn't contribute to the community should expect support from said community.

He also didn't support punching people for what they believed in, neither do I.

>The more you know

>>742466916
I think the same, but I want police. You could say that I am authoritarian anarchist. Eg I believe both trump and Hillary are puppets of bankers, oil companies etc and they should be eradicated

>>742466916
You're disgusting subhumans. You will never be an anarchist you violent scum. Ancap is the only true anarchism

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>>742467086

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>>742467086

This board, /b/ and 4chan as a whole is a meltdownhaven for racists, as such no effort to talk about anything more "left" then a REICHSTAG is futile.

>>742464548
This.
In fact, the farther right you go, the smaller government you get until anarchy. Anarchy is a right wing extreme, and can't exist on the left at all

>>742466790
That's not a valid argument. Address my question. This is not a matter of who took more cookies out of the jar but why you will sweep intentional mass murder under the rug. According to your little wank of an image there capitalism kills with negligence. Communist regimes kill millions of their own with intent full to do so.

I don't know about you but as far as I'm concerned not distributing aid quite as well as we'd like is FAR better than killing people because they merely said something in opposition to the party or had some other infraction that wouldn't even get you in the slightest bit trouble in a reasonable society.

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>742467140
>>742467176
samefag

>>742467176
also, please explain to me how you forcing people to give their money to you is more free than being allowed to follow your heart without others stopping you.

Yall mad we got 8 years of God Emperor Trump?

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>>742464475
>Failed Jewish ideology
Yeah nah

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>>742467313
>forcing people to give their money to you

You're describing capitalism.

Socialism means giving money back to the people who rightfully earned it in the first place.

>>742467434
>oh shit, gotta go to bed so I'm not late for work tomorrow. Mr. Noseberg will be mad!

>>742467340
If the media's ability to be completely politically motivated and pas it all off as truth isn't countered we're not getting that second term. Really hope the SHUSH act and other assorted 2nd amendment related goodies go through before he runs that risk of not getting elected.

>>742466790
Capitalism created enough to make those deaths seem easily preventable. Ask Marx, he actually agrees ya fucking retard

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>>742467434

>>Failed Jewish ideology

We aren't talking about ancaps or right wing corporate cucks

>>742466790

Evolution is driven by natural selection. All system is also subject to it. While on a personal plan (i.e. rescuing someone) action does not influence it (your instinct push you to help, or to stay safe if it is too dangerous, or to kill if it's him or you), on a large scale, it shouldn't be interferde with. Cause if you do:

You can either try to help it towards your group

You're then a nazi, and it does not end well as we all know.

Or you can try to fight it, you're then a communist, even worse.

BTW, if you wonder why there is some kind of collusion between the left and islamists ... fighting evolution here is similar to helping it there, I'm not really surprised.

So, yeah, people die, it's sad, we could probalby do better ... but the world need higher and higher IQ for the jobs as the IA will soon remplace all less than 100 IQ jobs ... as IQ is about 1/3 eductaion, 1/3 genetics and 1/3 environnement according to one of my unviversity teacher (leftist and ecologist btw), we should rather ask ourselve how we are going to adapt to these new conditions instead of crying for an equality we won't ever come close to get one day.

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>>742464475

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>>742467313
Not samefag.

Also don't put words in my mouth. Who the fuck said anything about money existing?

I jest, but honestly, how is private property anarchist in the slightest? You're creating an economic class that will not ever be able to serve human needs accurately. I need water, why should you be allowed to hoard water and restrict me or anyone else in the community from having any? I'm projecting a little but it's sociopathic in my opinion to use "Property rights" as justification for violence. People have got needs mkay and they wont be met by a state apparatus hell bent on protecting private property or a McWarlord who thinks 'Fug the gubbermind forcing me to think of others an sheeit'

>>742467229
you think the average lefty that is gender fluid and loves black people but doesnt know one black guy cares about that ?

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>>742467686
Forgot proofs

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>>742467484
And how much does the small business owner make? After paying rent for their shop, insurance for their property, distribution, health insurance for their employees, packaging, etc.

Fucking dope smoking commies see the world in black and white.

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>>742464475
My Marxian Socialist comrades!!!

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>>742464475
fuck off commie faggots

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>>742467737
Fuck off revolutionary traitor

>>742467484
I personally own a small business. I'm a mechanic with a 2 bay garage. I can assure you the work in the office is harder than the work in the shop. I've actually hired an accountant and secretary, yet I still have no problems in the shop. Your argument is simple minded

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>>742467708

How does it feel glorifying regimes that were orders of magnitude worse than the nazis you claim to hate so much? You all paint the hammer and sickle all over your faggoty shields and fly their flags, but do you know what it actually stands for? Nothing but death.

At least the nazis were fighting for what they thought was a greater world. The Communists wanted nothing more but death of the poor while fooling them that they were serving the greater good (the rich) by starving to death.

My favorite dash of irony is that should I ever feel under threat by commie groups like anti-fa it's pretty likely going to be a glorious AK used to defend myself from those commie faggots.

>>742467340
Not really. It doesn't matter if Trump is in office or Hillary, it changes nothing. At the end of the day the country is headed by a bourgeois fuck that doesn't care about the proletariat.

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>>742467910

>>742464475
Go die

the biggest mistakes the USA ever made were first not continuing to march into the soviet union at the end of WW2, and doing the same cowardly thing by pulling out of vietnam when we should have kept going into china and eradicate the red menace once and for all.

>>742467875
We're coming for your fucking toothbrush.

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>>742467798

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>>742467971
>>742467964
>>742467925
>>742467997

>>742467990
Ummm okay sweetie. Good luck fighting a nation of 1 billion.

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>>742468007

>>742468033
1 billion poor untrained cannon fodder

>>742464475
>Anarchists

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Behold! The efficiency of the market!

>>742467991
As much as that's probably a heaping pile of sarcasm that is one of the Items I'd pop someone over. Dental health isn't a joke home slice.

Jews are "so much different than any other group" because Jews - earlier Hebrews - are the first Nationalist ethnic group in the world and additionally this nationalism is supported by religion = "chosen one"; which is exceptional.

However, Jewish interpretations from Maimonides began to extract from the Greek and Christian culture which led to universalist ideas. At that time dichotomy in Jews society appeared, which began to be particularly evident since the end of the XVII century, when numerous, utopian and even messianic religion factions {for example Frank sect, Kabbalists, Chabad-Lubavitch} began to emerge. Schopenhauer defined these new Jewish aspirations in the middle of the nineteenth century: "ignorant drive toward earthly utopianism and superficiality of a worldly "Jewish" spirit"

When Jewish Enlightenment began in the 19th century this dichotomy created most important Jewish movements - Nationalist Zionism - and Utopianism - Religion Utopianism Reform Judaism - and universalist, cosmopolitan Utopianism Socialist/Communist organizations.

This dichotomy create serious problems for Nations with Jews Community and for Jews.
Due to the use of the "victim card" - which is characteristic for Hebrew religion since the Torah - many Jews to an excessive degree gain high social positions. Most of this Jews
are Utopianism Reform Judaism or Socialist/Communist Jews and they represent their universalist "Jewish" spirit utopianism which lead to attack every ethnic behavior within the Nations. {we do not even talk about ethnic nationalism or even about patriotism]

However Nationalist Zionism Jews - significant because of sponsorship from Israel - demand the right to their religious Jewish nationalism.
This leads sooner or later to hypocrisy in the messages and hypocrisy leads to anger - in this case anger of ethnic groups especially when many of this ethnic groups allow for "victim card" play.

No one cares about anyone /thread

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>>742468060

>>742468072
That's what you said about Viet Nam ;)

>>742468140
>It's another 'Anarchism and communism aren't compatible episode

Read a book. No, go read a wikipedia page instead. That, at least will tell you the difference between state socialism and anarchist communism without waterlogging your tiny nogging.

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>>742468190

>>742468246
and we beat those untrained farmers badly in every single major battle. It was a strategic retreat, not a defeat.

Learn some history.

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Every fucking time

>>742468258
(((Wikipedia)))
Fuck your mother

>>742468258
>anarchist communism
>anarchist
>communism
>tiny brain

fuck off

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>>742468296

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Fuck off nigger

>>742468316
>I-it was a strategic defeat!
Bitch-ass faggots lmao
58k dead ameriniggers for a "strategic retreat." Sad!

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STRONK KOMMUNISTS!

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if I work my ass off all day, while you sit at home doing nothing why should we be considered equal and deserve the same lifestyle?

>>742468350
>>742468362
Marxian communism seeks to create a hierarchical vanguard of the most 'Woke' people in a society that is revolting against the status quo (Capitalism)

Anarchist communism rejects the creation of any political party or hierarchical vanguard and instead opts to use non hierarchical organizations (syndicates, co-ops, etc) to achieve a communist revolution.

>>742468425
and how many gooks? over 1 million. I'll take that KDR any day. You are fooling yourself if you think if we hadn't had the balls to stay and finish the job that there would be a single vietnamese person alive today.

>>742464475
Scottish socialist here!
(Not that we're much of a rarity)

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Fact: Stalin caught smallpox from sucking the farts out of other mens assholes daily

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>>742468465

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>>742468316
>It was a strategic retreat
Oh man the delusion is strong here

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>>742468264

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>>742468556

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>>742468559
This is good

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>>742468615

>>742468246
US death total was around 600 thousand.
Vietcong death toll was well over a million.

we fucking destroyed them, the only reason we pulled out was due to the fact we weren't there to conquer and hippie faggots crying at home making the war even more unpopular.

and by the way,we didn't lost that war either.

>>742468512
You want more muslims?

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>>742468425
>I'm bleeding which makes me the victor

Look at those amerifats getting btfo

Oh wait

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>>742464475
>Helicopter noise intensifies

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>>742464475
ITT: degenerates

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>>742468759

>>742468733
Kek'd

>>742468680
good to see some people around here have been actually educated about history, the real history not the leftist anti-american history that's so popular nowadays where they portray america as the weak bad guy.

If it was a pure total war with no politics involved, vietnam would be crushed, just like China would be if it came to that.

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>>742468781
just proves how stupid you fuckers are

>>742468781
Implying that isn't comminism.

A political ideology that has never worked.

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>>742465011
Most pf us arent fuking american, u dam cracker, we are here to laugh at the fuking caos you live in now

>>742468895
You're replying to an anarchist without adjectives buddy

Abolition of the state is primary, what happens with the economy after that happens. I wouldn't count on crony capitalism existing though.

>>742468811
leftism has turned into a cult of personality revolving around a victim Olympics and ignorant ideaology. I just came here to laugh at the scum.

>>742467823
can one of you leftist faggots answer this? Do you not realize how big of hypocrites you all are being?

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>>742468904
>chaos

>>742468904
>caos

Ooga booga bix nood muhfugga

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>Be lazy lefty/pol/ neet that makes commie threads on 4chan
>Be doctor working 70hr weeks in hospital saving lives
>Our labor is equally valuable to society and we are entitled to the same
Yeah nah

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>>742467059
>authoritarian anarchist

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>>742464475
>Anarchy
>Left

>>742466604
Spoken like a true filthy communist

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>>742468634
Someone sure does though.

>Hurr im anarchist
>finally revolution
>live in anarchist society
>ban racism and bigotry
>"anarchy"

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>>742469092

>>742469155
Fuck off, Kropotkin himself supported freedom of speech.

Antifa are not my comrades

t. Anarchist

>>742469155
No true anarchist would ban anything.

Though anarchy can never last. At best it's a starting point for something else.

Is this a leftist thread or a authoritarian thread? Because those people tend to be authoritarians not really leftists.

>>742466626
Really? That's like a 360 degrees turn

>>742469331
>inb4 people fall for the obvious bait

>>742466140
And I'll reserve the right to decide who is and isn't a nazi

You won't like communism so much when the government takes away that fancy PC you have and replaces it with Das Kapital. You commiefags are a bunch of edgy middle class teenagers and Lenin would have shit on you.

>>742469259
Then don't support them with retarded threads like this.

>>742466062
Underrated post

Hi am I late for the capitalist meeting?

DEATH TO ANARCHISTS. SLAVA STALIN.

>>742469470
False flag

>>742468895
>implying that any "communist" country's in history weeny just fachest dictatorship.
>implying the Soviet Unionwas communists despite having almost no communist policy's.

>>742469259
Liberals get the bullet too right?

>>742469042
>>742468362
>>742466921
>>742466082
>>742467229

Anarchy literally means "without rulers/leaders/authority.

Under anarcho-capitalism rulers/leaders/authorities still exist: they are the people who own the companies, the apartment buildings, the land, etc.

So anarcho-capitalism is literally not anarchism.

The alternative to anarcho-capitalism is standard anarchism. Under anarchism people agree to own and manage their companies as a whole. There is no CEO and there are no owners or shareholders to take the profits of the people who work at the companies.

And by the way, we don't need to use force to get rid of the owners of the companies. As long as you have the choice of working at a company where you get to take all of the profits for your work, why would you voluntarily choose to work for a company where someone else takes most of the profits for your work?

>>742469580
I hope "real" communism never happens.

>>742469631
So you don't want anyone to own anything?

That's retarded.

>>742469664
Me to pal.

>>742469717
I didn't say that. I want people to own their own homes, their own cars, all the nice things that most people own.

I don't want people to own companies, though. What's wrong with that?

>>742469717
Who will grow the crops? Who will run the food store? No one?

>>742469842
So who will build the houses? Who will build roads? You and your neighbors? Right.

>>742466460
Because all systems kill(ed) millions, including capitalism...
Only some systems do it more directly and others more indirectly.

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Bad with Capitalism,
Worse with Communism.

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Marxist reporting in. Have some agitprop

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>>742469592
When did I say the liberals were ever getting the bullet?

Anarchists are sick of the concerted attacks co-ordinated by governments around the world to infiltrate or otherwise sabotage an otherwise peaceful, libertarian movement.

Most resort to violent resistance because they see the state as already having initiated the violence by attempting sabotage.

I for one don't believe in giving literal pinochetistas/fascists/natsocs the bullet because they've got ideas. I do believe it's worth it to violently attack oppressive political apparatus' (NSDAP, The pinochet regime, authoritarian states) because they pose a threat to humanity (Holodomor, Holocaust, Cambodian Genocide, I could go on forever)

Regarding antifa, a lot of the violence you see was probably initiated by police plants. I'm not saying all of it was but anarchist movements and the state have a hairy, colorful history.

>>742469919
This would be handled similarly to how it's handled now. Construction companies would build the homes. An individual would buy a home from the construction company. The profits from that home would then be distributed to all of the members of that company, based on what kind of work they put in.

There's a risk that someone could buy a bunch of homes and then try make a profit off of them. But the same basic economical law will prevent this. If people have the option to buy homes from the construction company at a lower price than it costs to buy from the landowner (who needs to charge more money to make a profit off of the houses that he purchased), they will choose to buy from the construction company.

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>>742466755

>>742470341
Oh come on you GOT to be kidding me. How deep in denial can you be?
Are you really saying antifa is a pacifist movement and they get a bad rap because they're attacked by the police?
Their whole thing is destroying property dude, wake the fuck up

>>742470516
me

>>742470379
Sounds like a fairytale

>>742467608
Imagine being this spooked.

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>>742464475

Death to Communism.

>>742470716
Not an argument.

>>742470379
False. Private property doesn't exist in communism

>>742467712
Well it's not so much small business owners... In my own experience small businesses tend to be far more fair to their employees, usually because the boys knows what is like to do their work.

It's big companies that are fucking harsh, they sometimes have ridiculous unreasonable quotas and that's only because the share holders want to certain numbers... And that's all they care about numbers.

Or at least so I've experienced in my own working experience.

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>>742470519
No, don't put words in to my mouth.

I'm not sure how clear I made it but I don't support antifa and their destruction of property. Infact, symbolic protest pisses me the fuck off. Antifa is hardly a pacifist movement, and it should be clear by now that they're not an anarchist movement either. What with punching randos like richard spencer for thoughtcrimes.

There are two kinds of 'Anarchists'. Those who read books and understand that initiating violence on bystanders property rather than working to abolish existing oppressive systems is retarded.

And then there are those who think fascism should be opposed by beating the ideas out of peoples heads with bats and fists, consequentially strengthening the street cred of actual fascist ideology.

Can an anarcho-capitalist explain to me how their desired system could work when there is no state to insure property rights?

>>742470794
What do you want me to say? Who will run the company? Are all 500 employees gonna vote every time they need to decide something? Wake up dude. It's natural for humans to follow a leader. Hierarchy is in our dna.

>>742467608
Ironically it's the dumber people that reproduce more, so the argument of natural selection in modern society is false.

>>742464719
>classcuck
lol the plebs says covered in shit wondering why he has no money

>>742464719
>You fuck off
didnt even notice how funny this was

>>742465855
Learn China dickhead

>>742467699
Majority left isn't SJW.
The feminists and SJW's have poisoned the leftwing scene, just like the alt-right poisoned the rightwing scene.

The majority leftwing people are people that want better rights for the workers, just like how the majority rightwing are moderate conservatives on a cultural and social plane.

B https://youtu.be/-i886pP5klo

>>742464475
I'm an anarchist and I hate you socialist and marxist fucktards. I don't wanna be associated with you leftist scum. Gtfo of /b, shithead

Anarchist is far right.

Why on earth would a group that wants no government be on the same side as groups that want all powerful governments?

Just like idiots that think fascism is on the right. It isn't.

>>742466604
>All the "people" Stalin killed were fascists
this is why commies are so retarded. "we want revolution but also a nationalist who committed ethnic cleansing is our hero. Not hitler tho cas he was a fascist!" and on top of that you retards dont realize fascism is an offshoot of marxism. kys and save the world the headache.

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>>742470976
Not that anon you're replying to but an anarchist in complete agreement with what you're saying about how it's natural for people to follow a leader. Of course tribesmen gravitate towards the strongest man in the tribe for protection, doesn't mean hierarchy is always justified or 'In our DNA'.

Naturally not everyone in the city wants to vote on what aggregate the roads will be made of. In an anarchist society it's entirely their choice. Generally decisions that affect specific groups will be voted upon by said specific groups.

For example, the local transport syndicate wants to build an exit on the motorway right next to the land i'm using for farming/beekeeping whatever. I'd naturally have a say in how this is done because it affects me. Voting might be carried out to a representative who goes to the transport syndicate and makes his case, else on a smaller scale it might wind up being me who goes to the syndicate to get the best possible outcome from the situation.

Personally I really like the swiss model of democracy, a mixture of representative and direct democracy with a council for each locality and participatory gatherings for resolving political matters.

>>742467608
>>742471058
You guys don't seem to really understand natural selection so please refrain to try to use it in an argument

>>742466790
so when they die in even greater numbers from the same things under communism what does that mean?

>>742470824
First of all I never advocated communism,

Secondly, you don't really understand what "private property" means in this context. Socialists distinguish between private property and personal property. Personal property is property that an individual uses personally: homes, cars, computers, etc. Private property is property that an individual owns but does not use personally: companies, stocks and bonds, apartment buildings, etc.

Almost all forms of socialism recognize personal property as legitimate.

>>742471469
It all depends on what school of anarchism you consider urself to be a part of. There are socialist anarchists (leftists) which make up the greater part of anarchism but there are also right-wing anarchists. Plus there are anarchists that are not easily classified, such as individualist anarchists or post-left anarchists. I myself am an individualist anarchist and while I have some "leftist" ideas, I don't consider myself a leftist.

Anarchism is good in theory, but in practice, it has far too much involvement in/tolerance for communism.

I considered myself an anarchist until I realized how much anarchists cooperate with communists, who really aren't so different from Nazis.

>>742471966
I'm Nestor Makhno and wh- what the fuck are you talking about?

>>742471832
>socialist anarchists
Can you expand? that seems like an oxymoron.

Unless you think that with no government, the world would somehow switch to small scale socialism instead of pure capitalism.

>>742471614
I see it this way: you do whatever the fuck you want. It's not a question of what's "natural" and what's not.

>>742471966
Berkman wrote alot about that issue already back in the 19th century

>>742472051
Social anarchism a.k.a. social anarchism is comprised of three subdivisions:
Anarcho-communism (so, non-marxist communism)
Anarcho-collectivism (same as the above except that they don't abolish wages)
And anarcho-syndicalists (retards who want to use workplace organizing as a way of abolishing the state)

>>742464475
I'm busy calling the cops when someone wanted me to share my money and i didn't wanted that to happen.
Plus, i need to break some stuff on the street which doesn't belong to me, i mean, if it did i wouldn't break it anyway, duh.
By the way, there's a hateful guy down the street saying we shouldn't let sharia law
come here, so, you know, we should behead him for sharing this extremism.

>>742472223
Whoa there, there may not be revolutionary potential in unions everywhere (USA) but there are a few good nuggets of radicalism in NZ unions i've found. Good way to meet leftists in real life too.

Ancoms are meanies

>>742472223
So people that completely deny human nature or any lesson ever taught from history?

>>742471966
Not all anarchists are socialist-loving scum

>>742470976
I think this guy got it pretty much right: >>742471614.

But yeah the company will basically be run as a democracy. For a decision that affects all members of the company, the entire company will vote. On the other hand, if you're part of a team that is building a house and you need to decide what kind of shingles to use, only your team should make that decision. Your team can vote on it, or just talk about it and try to come to some consensus.

Democracy works decently well in many other contexts, so why shouldn't democracy work in our companies?

>>742472181

And it's still happening.

Fact of the matter is, getting involved in America's anarchist movement means getting in bed with communists and SJW retards.

An independent anarchist movement wouldn't be bad, but I have never seen such a thing IRL.

>>742472303 (You)
I need my women covered and Gays thrown off rooftops!

>>742472379
>independent anarchist movement wouldn't be bad
Libertarians are a "realistic" form of anarchists. Sure it is anarchy lite, but if you were serious about wanting no state, that would be the place to start.

>>742472379
I'm from norway, we have no anarchist movement, only revisionist socialist movements

>>742467484

I'd love to see that blue collar worker buy, maintain and operate the machines himself, while also being responsible for the design, development, marketing of the product. While also actually making the product. While also dealing with administration, taxes, and other legal requirements. Don't forget distribution and supply line management.

Equal income communism won't change this.
All it will do is make sure people gravitate to the easiest job with the least responsibility. Great. So now we have to force people to do particular jobs against their will, without any reward to show for it. I'm sure that will motivate people to stay in school, and assume the responsibility for the succes/failure of an entire production company!

>>742472310
Anarcho-syndicalists are proud workers. Individualists and post-leftists propose, on the other hand, for workers to reject the label of "worker". Often socialists and syndicalists are work-loving maniacs who's only "arguments" against capitalism is: the bourgeoisie is lazy, egotistical and greedy. I see these adjectives as being perfectly natural is human nature and so I don't hate the bourgeois for those reasons. Because I'm not christian lol.

>>742472496
I like libertarianism a lot, but that movement's (1) like you said, diet anarchism, and (2) that movement is infected with ancaps and randroids.

I don't know what the perfect system is. My heart says "anarchism", by my brain points out that in practice anarchists are a bunch of moronic, gullible, easily manipulated, uneducated retards.

>>742472531
In the U.S., the "anarchist" movement is basically a satellite of the communist movement, and the communists are not very benevolent people behind the facade.

>>742472638
>diet anarchism
Yes, you got that right.

>>742472580
Communism =/= equal income

Also not that guy you're replying to but, it's less about having good machinists figure out how to market machined parts to other engineering companies than it is about giving employees more say in how their product is to be used/distributed and how they are to go about their work.

It's not about abolishing the role of 'Pencil pushers' either. Like it or not we're still going to need project directors/supervisors on the shop floor. It will however be organized non-hierarchically, without a chain of command so to speak.

>>742467229
do some research before you post faggot

>>742471662
>Gives no counter argument

Seriously natural selection is largely dead, look at the demographics of almost all western countries and you find that smart people usually reproduce less than dumber people.

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>>742465823
>marx was right
oh (you)

>>742472952
Jews tend to be very intelligent people.

>>742464475
Faggot

>>742470873
yeah i have seen those so called anarchist that read , they are the ones that asked me money all the time when i walk on the street right?

>>742465249
>Under comunism, a government is no longer necessary and production is managed by a self organising network of autonomous communities.


No, that's Anarcho Communism. Communists love their state and party.

>>742472774
>need project directors/supervisors
>organized non-hierarchically
wat

>>742472903
I'm not denying that the effects of natural selection came to an almost halt.
But you seem to believe that if it weren't, it would give an advantage to people with greater intelligence which is not how it works. It's survival of the fittest, not the smartest. And while natural selection is "dead", sexual selection is very much alive

>>742464475
Are anarcho syndicalists welcome?

>>742472621
What's the point of jerking off over moralisms regarding how syndicalists and 'Proud workers' attack the state?

You're not wrong though, i'm a freelance toolmaker and I think i'm pretty good at it. You could say i'm a 'Proud worker'

I want to change how people think about work though, it's not a moneymaking adventure for boss and bossed. It's a thing all coherent functioning societies have to do in order to carry on.

>>742472699
The U.S was the birthplace of post-left anarchy (anarchists who reject leftism and identity politics while still lauging at right-wing fucktards), so it just goes to show that not all anarchists are communist-lovers. Also individualist anarchism (probably the thing that socialists hate most, a part from fascism and capitalism lol) is big in the U.S..

>>742464475
You should all be dropped from helicopters

>>742473236
Never

>>742472376

But what about decisions that require a certain amount of oversight? All these 'teams' must be coordinated to make sure the house lives up to a certain standard, to protect the image and trustworthiness of the company.

What if people vote on that too. Okay, now, who manages the voting system? Lets vote on these people too. Who makes sure the votes are actually carried out? You'll need some way to enforce these decisions, to protect the system from people working against common interest.

Some steps later you are right back at a standard company hierarchy, just with an immense amount of voting going on. People will see this system should be simplified to prevent insane bureaucratic bloat. And heyyy, we're right back at the old system, just with a democratically elected board of directors.

But what if these directors have to make a decision that's in the best interest of the company, but not of the people working there? What if the company needs to fire a bunch of people to stay afloat? No one will vote for this. So this company will go bankrupt and die.

To prevent this, the company would need government oversight, so the democratically elected board can say their hand was forced. And now we've arrived at a State Owned Enterprise. Great.

>>742473333
D:

>>742472774

And at the end you will arrive at a classical hierarchy as the most efficient way to organize a large company.

>>742473105
Nope got it wrong. Communism is an end. Communism = no classes, no government, no police. The marxists propose to use the state to abolish capitalism and abolish the state later (which has never worked) where as ancoms propose to abolish both at the same time (which has worked many times).

>>742473092
Oh fuck off, baiting cunt.

>>742473143
Think of it this way, I want to design a new engine for a motorbike. So, I head to the local engineering syndicate or whatever it's called and I propose my idea. I've already done a bit of research and tinkering myself beforehand, and knowing a few of the good engineers at the syndicate I can ask them to work on specific attributes of the engine if they're willing to help out with the project.

Project direction has a different meaning under capitalism of course.

>>742473476
>(which has worked many times).
lol

number of wars against fascism won by anarchists: ????

>>742473468
What is valve

>>742473193
Well intelligence does play a big role in natural selection in different ways from fitness but it does play a significant role.

And true sexual selection is very much still alive but the question is if that alone is enough... I mean we've seen an increase of fairly healthy people with minor defects from mental things like autism to physical things like a slightly higher blood pressure.

So the question is do ugly/unhealthy people still get kids, which I suspect they do, with other ugly/unhealthy people. And it's the an increasing problem.

>>742472727
I'm beginning to think that mundane politics holds no hope for me or for the world.

Nazis and communists have both been absolute bastards to me. Ruined my life in the most extreme possible ways. Took away everything that made me happy, just because they could.

Spirituality is what should be important. Teaching kids to bend spoons with their mind is a far more productive method of rebellion than any form of political activity.

>>742473468
There's no reason that any hierarchy that must exist cannot be democratically elected, and thrown out if it losses the consent of those under them.

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>>742473574
When the revolutionary insurrectionary army of Ukraine chased the reactionary white army/nationalists/reds out of Ukraine for years, despite only maintaining a force of at max 50k people?

>>742473574
Well, it all depends on ur definition of what works i guess lol, but yes, there are numerous examples of anarcho-communist communities that have existed or that still exist to this day (that have achieved communism, I mean).

>>742468472
>"Marxian"


Fuck off.

>>742473597
Heathen anarchist here, psychic spoon bending is truly the pinnacle of revolutionary science.

Smash the state and heil Óðinn!

>>742473667
And Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War, and Rojava in present Syria.
There's a common theme to all these movements though. They get killed by Marxist Leninists.

>>742473881
Except that Rojava isn't exactly an-com.

>>742468739
and the truth comes out...

but tell me more about capitalism and oppression, anon

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>>742474025
Let's start with capitalism.

Infinite possibility for environmental destruction sanctioned by capitalists insatiable thirst for profit. (Blood diamonds, madagascar sapphires, ebony, ivory)

Countless lives lost because capitalists put the suffering of human beings below the concern they have of delivering results to their shareholders.
(The irish potato famine, bangladeshi clothing industry, chinese electronics industry)

Now let's talk about authoritarianism.

War is upheld in fascist dogma (Works of mussolini, hitler) as a uniting force for 'muh folk, muh nation' and as an ultimately good thing for improving the livelihood and strength of people.

Also let's not forget the countless genocides perpetrated by authoritarian regimes left and right.

Here's a challenge for you. Name a single genocide committed by libertarian anarchists in the name of their cause or to meet their ends.

>>742474525
Hard mode: Name a single instance in which a fascist was killed by an anarchist that totally didn't have it coming.