Can I get a reason why these people are bad?

Assault with bike locks on chains. Throwing human refuse. Group assault on others (not just Nazis either).

>>742446252 any evidence of them hurting other people other than fascists?

They assault people to push a political agenda. They're the definition of terrorists.

>>742446096
Why ask Anon when you could just go to one of their rallies? Nothing you could read here could come close to the turn off that is seeing these people in person

>>742446096
They advocate violence.

>>742446378
They are the fascists.

Political Violence.

>>742446378
http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/17/jake-tapper-antifa-protesters-attacked-several-journalists/

>>742446555
im pretty fucking sure those who self identify as fucking fascists are also fascists

they are not *the* fascists, they are *also* fascists

>>742446096
fascists who use violence to get what they want. Also hate free speech. what kind of tard are you not to know this already?

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>>742446096
Communism has failed
Every
Single
Time
Authoritarian systems like fascism and communism go against every thing America stands for, and there is little difference between the two.
America was founded on liberal democratic ideals, where both fascism and communism take away the individuals rights in favor of ever sub-dividing groups enforced by an overarching, violent, oppressive government.
The main difference between the alt left and alt right is economic policies and which race will benefit most from their systems.

>>742446096
Because they're fascists. They believe in stomping out any ideals that oppose theirs.

>>742446378
Most of they people at the Berkeley rally were not fascist, they were simply conservatives having a peaceful rally. Antifa defines anyone who disagrees with their idealology to be fascists or traitors, including liberals, which is weird as that was the same mindset that Mussolini's black shirts used to fear monger. They also imitated the black shirts by beating the shit out of anyone who disagreed. I think there was graffiti on a wall during the first Antifa riot over milo that said liberals get the bullet too.

>>742446096
angry, violent little faggots who cant get over the fact that their messiah didn't get to be president.

>>742446770 OP here, I've just recently heard of these people and my friend said that they're nazi killers, which sounds pretty good to me, but all of you are calling them fascist so what gives?

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They're sponsored by George Soros.

You want to get back at him?

Kill his son, Alex. He'd be an easy assassination and it would drive George into a deep depression.

>>742447226
or his nephew who is married to chelsea clinton.

Using violence to try to intimidate people to abandon an idea because you think they might use violence is what most people call "retarded"

>>742446979 doesnt the alt-right do the same thing?

>>742447226
Is that the son that invented social justice warriors with UN funding?

>>742447461
No you fuckn faggot. Most of the Alt-Right is quite content to be left alone.

>>742447461
The alt right are white nationalists like Richard Spencer who invented the term. They don't go attacking people. They ALWAYS get permits for their rallies and abide by laws. This is the real difference between them and antifa. Antifa doesn't get permits to do rallies or protest.

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Antifa degenerates are paid by the goverment

>>742447461
no

>>742447461
Stop watching TV. It's rotting what little brains you had to begin with.

>>742447015
think of antifa as the brown shirts from nazi germany. Actually a pretty accurate analogy.

>>742447015
They've literally never killed a single fascist. One of them did go into shock and die from getting punched once though.

>>742447646 any proof of these permits and are there any videos of alt-right attacking people without good reason?

>>742446642
FAKE NEWS

>>742447718 can you prove me wrong?

>>742447661
The funding actually comes from Soros he gives the monies to various governments to fund antifa to fight against people trying to protest the establishment.

>>742446096
https://twitter. com/jaketapper/status/897980767304912898


perhaps you feel differently but to me this is disgusting

someone was attacked by antifa and this their response, not "our bad, we cant always control everyones actions, we condemn attacking bystanders"
no
they give this bullshit citing privilege and their right to privacy (on a public fucking street?!?!)

im as left as they come (seriously) but this is truly despicable behavior, violence is not acceptable unless in self defense, this man posed 0 threat to them, this is what happens when you conflate pronouns and physical violence (micro-aggression)

>>742446378
Calling someone fascist doesn't make them fascist

>>742447924
>>742447985
>>742447504
same liberal faggot

>>742447924
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/judge-allows-unite-the-right-rally-to-stay-in-emancipation/article_9965d0be-7ee6-11e7-ab0e-f342e0cf9488.html
Here's an article for their permit. There are no videos of the Alt-Right initiating violence because they're better organized than that.

>>742447798 it was just a question im more conservative than I am liberal I've just heard stories of alt-right attacking people and want to make an justified decision of what party to support.

>>742447924
http://www.nbc29.com/story/36115819/judge-grants-injunction-jason-kessler-can-have-unite-the-right-rally-at-emancipation-park

Judge ruled their permit was ok so they could hold the rally.

>>742446096
>fighting nazi sympathizers with genuine facism
top kek.
real reason they're awfull is becuase they're the elites means to disrupt order and cause chaos in any genuine peoples show of dissent.

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>>742448119
You were saying?

>>742448145
Whoever told you that is your enemy.

>>742446096
They are the reason why we can't have nice things

>>742448243
Yep. Also did you Ever wonder how Richard Spencer never gets banned from any social media while pretty much every other right-winger gets banned regularly for doing nothing?

>>742448119 this is OP the first two you tagged are me yes, I just asked the questions because I'd like to know, im a conservative I just want more information about antifa because I fidnt quite understand their motives.

>>742446673

The closest thing to self-identifying as fascist that I can see within the heterogeneous group known as the alt-right, is calling oneself a neo-Nazi, simply because actual Nazis were a fascist regime.

But the alt-right has not acted very fascist, while Antifa has. They work to actively suppress their opposition by shutting down debate and promote a form of government that control all aspects of society by eliminating individualism.

They are the fascists.

Case in point. The alt-right held one rally, just to show they weren't kids on the Internet, and the Antifa-controlled media exploded. (And yes, Antifa controls the media, because they will ruin the livelihood of anyone who resists them, through coercive groupthink.)

Antifa is *the* fascist group taking over America right now. What better way to illustrate your fascist tendencies than to engage in Doublespeak, calling yourself the opposite of what you really are?

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>>742447924
>any videos of alt-right attacking people without good reason

somewhat out of context but basically a brawl was breaking out and this proud aryan ubermensch came from the back and sucker punched a woman with her hands down

the right is not completely innocent.
having said that, they get permits and generally are surprisingly restrained and do not initiate violence, its usually the protesters that are instigators with mace, jars of piss, bikelocks, etc

>>742448301 This is OP, I'll take note of that, I do believe what's happening in Charlottesville is a cluster fuck and if what they say is true that antifa is fighting against nazi , than I dont have a problem with that, but from what it looks like they seem more like anarchist which makes both sides (antifa and the neo-nazis) in Charlottesville are the enemy.

>>742448579
fighting all around. shes facing him. just some guy...not exactly the story you portray

>>742448725
correct

>>742446096
They're misusing the word fascist as an excuse to cause violence against people who disagree with their political beliefs. Civil people don't inflict damage and pain against people they disagree with, they discuss or disassociate. ANTIFA more often than not actively pursues people to cause harm over ideological differences. Does that sound fine to you? Suddenly you hold an unpopular opinion or act a certain way so people have the right to exaggerate and embellish your characteristics and they can do everything up to and including serious bodily harm and they're justified because they say they're, "doing the right thing."

Antifa, anti fascism, is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. These people claim be against the fascist U.S. government. In case you are unaware fascism is defined as a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. So if the U.S. government was fascist, it's not, they wouldn't even be allowed to be Antifa. They would be met with forcible suppression by the government, in other words they would be killed, put in labor camps, made to disappear or face horrific public discipline to discourage other followers from standing up. These are similar to the tactics used by antifa, if you stand against antifa you are met with physical violence and public shaming and humiliation to discourage others from standing against them. They are a family group. So the fact that your even allowed to make your claims of fascism and go to work the next day or back home to your families or carry on with whatever you want to do proves your not in a fascist state. Your just an idiot who feel for a false idea.

>>742448579 this is OP, ya it looks like a brawl is already happening and if your in the middle you're bound to get hit women or not, I'll look up that protest and see if I can get more context.

>>742448411
No anon, the Nazis were not Fascists, they're a seperate yet similar authoritarian ideology.

>>742446096
Order out of chaos puppets

>>742448816
>Race above individual
Wrong.

>>742448579
Is that the berkley one where the police all ran away and then a massive group of antifa surrounded the rally people that were outnumbered like five to one? the only way out was to fight their way out. watch videos of it. it got crazy. the conservatives put all their women and children in the middle of them and then fight like crazy to protect them from antifa

Video from protests showing "muh peaceful alt-right" charging at unarmed people with shields and clubs

https://twitter.com/ur_ninja/status/897566928314781700

Fuck you auto correct. They are a fascist group*

>>742448411
i agree that alt right is a large heterogeneous group and im not sure how useful the term actually is but that doesnt change the fact that the 'tradionalist workers party' (basically they want an american fascist ethno-state) were part of organizing this event. They did not come to shut down the left or anything ("act like fascists"), but clearly they are openly fascist.

>Antifa controls the media
yes MSNBC is currently being run by marxist 20 somethings...
I agree whats happening on the left is *very* bad but they dont run the media ffs

>>742449011
Not wrong that's copy and pasted definition straight from Google.

>>742448735
so by your logic i can punch anyone who is facing me and its justified as long as someone else is fighting in the vicinity

>>742447003
Yes he did republiturd, he just left office and the tangerine flushed everything he built down the toilet he drinks from in under a year

>>742449140
Now here is the unedited version showing antifa striking first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOT3wDR7WZU

>>742449265
Google's wrong, it's conflating Nazism with Fascism. Fascism prizes the state and its hierarchy above the individual, Nazism is race above the individual.

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>>742449011
Straight from Google straight from Webster

>>742449478
Again, wrong. See>>742449441

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>>742449441
Hers dictionary dot com same thing

>>742448978
Favoured by the elite more so then other hate groups because they have no political goals that are attainable and will cause division amongst lower class citizens.

>>742449584
If it's wrong show me the definition from a trusted source cuz I've shown you two. Webster is one of the most trust dictionaries in the world.

>>742446096
Other than violently attacking Trump supporters and non Trump supporters, anyone who is left of Stalin really. Idiots like these are actually why Stalin and Hitler came to power in the first place.

Listen to Ben Shapiro educate you (9:00 timestamp)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa3Ibqhq2iQ

>>742449598
Dictionaries can be wrong retard, look at Oxford and "amazeballs."
It's a conflation of Nazism and Fascism, two distinct beliefs. No where did Mussolini ever emphasize the importance of race, nor were Fascists ever cruel to Jews until Mussolini made an agreement with Hitler.

>>742448897
the law doesn't stop existing simply because people are fighting, if it purely self defense you can pretty much do anything to defend yourself, but walking up to someone who is not acting aggressively towards you or anyone and punching them in the face is assault plain and simple.

found the full video (gif starts at ~9 seconds)

https://www.voanews.com/a/charlottesville-rally-altercations/3983042.html

>>742446378
>other than fascists?

And that's relevant, because? If you want to live in a country where people violently attack controversial, political beliefs, feel free to move to Africa.

>>742449722
Try reading actual Fascist (from Italy, noy Germany) writings genius. It's even taught in schools.

>>742449436 This is OP, it does look like the man on the far left side of the video wearing the khaki shirt had thrown the first punch, I'll see if I can find this video at any other angle so I can get a more clear view, for cross reference.

>>742449045
no its from charlottesville

>>742449844
I've fascist actions do not define the entire movement idiot

>>742449929
*not

>>742449953
Once again, Mussolini never mentioned racial supremacy, that was all Hitler. The extreme racism of Nazism is one of the primary reasons Nazism and Fascism are distinct.

>>742446096
What do you call someone who commits violence to enact their political beliefs?

Hint: Starts with "t", ends with "rist".

>>742449436
the guy holding the flag clearly instigates, he starts charging at them from 5-10ft away
see >>742449852

>>742446096
Assault on anyone is bad mmk. They are just as bad as the nazi's in my book.

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>>742449929
Oxford is incredibly vague in definition but still doesn't prove that other definitions wrong so try again shit stick

>>742446378
Lmao anon - first off, Antifa are fascists. Second, committing violence against an individual with a different set of political beliefs is counter to everything that any true American would denounce.

Antifa are literally terrorists.

>>742449920 This is OP fascism, communism, anarchism, socialism, has no place in america, should they be hurt for it, no. But they should be condemned.

>>742449436
Just watched. Guy with red scarf on antifa side punches guy with flag and tries to steal the flag. Long gray hair guy gets punched next by antifa. The rest of right-wing guys then come in to defend them.

>>742449844
nazism = fascism + racism

all nazism is fascism, not all fascism is nazism

nazis are by definitions fascists

>>742450195
>Nazi's
It's Nazis.

>>742446378
thanks for telling us you are bait

>>742450238
Dude, read into Fascism yourself, these are false conflated definitions. Didn't you ever take a history class?

all of them antifa, blm, and neonaxi white supremacy are bad no exceptions

>>742450080
And again since you couldn't grasp it before. The people who were a part of the movement don't define it based on how they ran out it's defined based on what it is.

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>>742449478
You have no idea (and neither does MW) about what you are talking about.

Facism, from the word the facia (lat. for stick) a political movement that employs the principles and methods of fascism, established by Mussolini in Italy. And none of them have to do with race.

>>742446096

They are communists who hate Western Civilization and White People.

Being that I like Capitalism, Western Civilization and am white, we do not see eye to eye.

>>742450195 This is OP, I agree, I just know that if I worded it like this, more people would flock to the thread to voice their opinions and I'm gratefull for everyones opinions. It helps me understand the situation a little more.

>>742448579 >>742449290
poster here

>>742448735
I just rewatched the video and realized this guy was in the shit before he sucker punched the chick, it looks like he even got hit on the head
while i still think it is wrong for him to punch someone who is clearly not aggressive, the fact that he just got hit in the head is extremely relevant. If I were in his shoes and just had my head bashed I might have responded in the same way. Sorry if I spread any confusion (although it still appears the alt right guy holding the flag starts the violence)

>>742450594 This is OP could you please not post these, thay dont add much to the conversation, unless you're trying to say that antifa is dog shit, well then I think you made your point.

I just found out there were black supremacists there too. I had no idea. Just watched a video of white nationalists fighting black supremacists waving the black supremacist flag. Also what is antifa obsession with destroying cop cars and trash cans? They keep doing that in videos im watching.

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>>742446096

everyone's a nazi

they are random thugs that cause property damage and assault old people

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>>742446096
Fascism is an overall good ideology.

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>>742451265
Welfare-state-for-my-kind is an overall good ideology.