Have you ever been outnumbered in a fight? Did you face more

>>742306009

>Never fight, hate violence.
>Subjected to far too much as a young child.
>Attacked by this jock/teachers pet last year in high school.
>Not a prayer for me.
>Girlfriend abso-fucking-lutely destroys him.

You know who's a keeper? A woman that will slam a guys head into his car and, once he's on the ground, stomp on his face until two teacher pry her off.

All to protect you.

They called me Sophie's bitch for the rest of the year.

Quietly.

When they were sure Sophie wouldn't hear them.

>>742306628
diamonds

>>742306009
Yeah once.
Me and my friend joined in since 2 guys were beating on our friend. Then like 4 or 5 of theirs friends joined in..

We got the shit kicked out of us. Good times.

>>742306628
Top kek anon

>>742306731
>>742307275

I look back, she's topped me for ten years now. I guess I'm a beta fag. But I tell you this, it's not so bad when your alpha would storm a bunker in stilettos to protect you.

>>742306009
>yes
>no. after i knocked him out (my first time knocking somebody out ever) his friends in the bar got to tangling asshole with me and then my friends showed up on time. Luckily i had a couple bar stools and schooners to throw and knock them around with. My friends really saved my ass in the knick of time.
>i dont practice martial arts or fighting. I swim and play soccer and video games tho, and drink alot. Heavily actually.

I've never been in a fight because people actually like me. :D

>>742308299
>>742308299
you guys still together?

>>742308345
were you drunk when that happened? background story?

>>742308507

Married four years.

>>742306009
I have but they didn't beat me up I just walked away they had visual confusion at the act but i was fine

>>742306628
You know who's not a keeper? A woman who will inevitably do the same thing to you one day

>>742306009
>Have you ever been outnumbered in a fight?
yeah
>Did you face more than one person from the start or did more people jump in after the fight started?
ive been in both scenarios, but the most common is going toe-to-toe with a single person, and then having bystanders/friends of the person get involved
>If you train some kind of martial art or just play a sport and lift your input would be appreciated.
i spar once a week. grappling, take downs, and boxing. i dont know how to throw a good kick and i dont want to. it will not do anything for you in a real fight. first guy who kicks generally loses in my expereince.

i workout daily.

i work in in a profession where physical confrontations happens at least once a month

>>742306009
Got jumped by 6 or 7 white niggers getting off a bus on my way home from school in the 10th grade. Apparently one of the faggots heard me mention to someone that I was friends with someone he didn't like, so the next day him and a bunch of his faggot friends waited for me and kicked my ass.
One of the guys was twice my size and punched me in the face and threw me on the ground and they all swarmed and started kicking me like little bitches. They stopped after maybe 30 seconds and I got up and walked away like nothing happened cus they all kick like girls and I didn't really have any damage done to me except a small bunp on the side of my head.
My friends house was across the street so I went there and smoked weed for a few hours then went home and forgot all about what happened.
The end.

>>742309035
>i work in in a profession where physical confrontations happens at least once a month
bouncer?

>>742308845

So you assume that someone who is willing to fight for the people they care about will inevitably destroy the ones they care about?

That's incredibly sad. I kind of feel sorry for you, Anon.

>>742309035
>but the most common is going toe-to-toe with a single person, and then having bystanders/friends of the person get involved
never been in a fight myself but that seems like the worst type of situation imo because you're focus on fighting a single person and then get taken by surprise. Dirty.

>first time meeting gf
>decide to go for a walk to get food
>walk past 6 nig nogs
>one runs to me and I tell her to keep walking
>asks for a ciggie, tell him I dont smoke, stand my ground as the rest run over
>can smell alcohol on them
>this isnt gonna go down well
>they get angry that im just standing there and not running
>One grabs something in his front pocket, see its a handle of a knife he doesnt pull it all the way out
>I hear another nig nog running up behind me, instincts kick in and I throw my elbow behind me
>get him in the temple, he goes down and starts having some sort of fit
>turn to the others and I get hit in the side of the head, everything goes green and I hear a super loud ping noise
>I dont fall to the floor, just stand my ground then they all rush me, throw me into the fence
>think I blackout for a few seconds as I realize im on the ground
>kicks going into my face, nothing hurts adrenaline is so good
>they try grabbing my phone, fuck no take my $10 for food
>they give up trying to get my phone, kicks to the head is fine, but as soon as one jumps on my ribs im done
>I start yelling at them to just fuck off
>after a few minutes of kicking my head in they leave me alone
>I get up, gf is so shaken and hiding in the bush, she called the police while hiding
>im so angry and know if it was 1v1 I would destroy
>police show up, they said the same guys have jumped 3 others

This has fueled my rage for blacks, before this I was fine, now I just cant stand them. I know its unfair to think like that but I get so mad

>>742308568
Is she cute got pics?

>>742306009
2 against 11.....to be fair...they were very drunk but counts. we won...I lost my shoes(no clue how it happened). And got some scratches by one of the dudes girlfriend.

>at a local club with my bro
>saw old female classmate in the same club (we grow up altogether, going in the same school from elementary to highschool)
>she danced with my bro
>bouncer of club is her boyfriend
>misunderstands the situation
>all the fucking bouncers in the club swarm up on my bro (they were 5)
>he gets knocked out
>i snap cause the bitch old classmate doesn't actually say she knows us
>start punching bouncers to the teeth
>one of them dropped
>second one i punched to the ear and as he was falling down i was kicking him to the ribs
>i broke her boyfriends elbow
>i was holding another one by the neck and he was screaming out ''chill chill bro it's ok''
>the other one was just looking at me in horror
>grabbed my bro from the ground and carried him out as the other bouncer was opening the way out
>fucking bouncers...they go 4 hours to the gym look like mountains and think they can beat anything....jokes on them!

>>742309451
that sucks man, but at least you managed to keep the girl safe, even though it must have been a shitty experience for her as well.
also stomping someone on the ribs like that could do serious damage

>be me.
>be around 4
>older kid, 7, walks up behind me and tries to crush me in his arms.
>laughing like an insane person while he does it.
>dad starts yelling at the kid to let me go.
>kid's mom does nothing, says we're just playing.
>Ribs hurt, kinda hard to breathe.
>Snap.
>Stomp on kid's foot.
>Kid lets me go.
>Punch him in the nose.
>he goes down, crying cause its bleeding.
>Kid's mom runs over, yelling at me and my dad and calling me a psycho.
>Asks my dad what he's going to do, since I "hurt her precious angel."
>Dad takes me out to Dairy queen.
>gets me a sundae.
>Fucking delicious.
>Tastes like victory.

>>742309451
Well one on one sober hard to say simce theyd fight better.
But cant really tell em to fuck off when ur losing....dont make sense

>>742306009
my name ehh jeff

>>742306009
When I was 16 I found myself in the middle of a fight. I was trying to be a mediator until this one guy tried headbutting me. I managed to avoid it, but unfortunately for his his arms were stuck within the giant human pretzel that had formed leaving his head completely open. So I hit him four times straight in his exposed face.
Once it was "over" one guy tried to gouge one of my friend's eyes out, but we put a stop to that quick. Never been in a fight since...or even in a real one really.

pull your dick out and start jackin' it

>>742309693
U must be from holland....rutten hari overeem all say it bouncers there are dicks

>>742309035
where the fuck you work pussy

>>742309058
>white niggers
you mean like wiggers?

>>742306009
Fighting will end once you stop associating with females. Women are the reason behind most fights between males.

>>742309058
sounds like this pussy got jumped

>>742310188
Greece
bouncers here are gym rats with cocaine addictions....in their majority at least

>>742308568
you're a lucky dude, dude.

>>742309035
Cause you don't know how to utilize a kick. Kicks are deadly. Especially in a street fight, no one sees them coming. You're a bitch.

>>742308845
this is why you're gonna die alone, anon.

>>742309625

Not for the internet, no. Not ever.

>be me
>faggot deeply insutls me
>vanishes for a year
>ember burns
>find his digits
>schedule meet
>jump him on sight
>perfect punch on the jaw
>he's out
>on the ground
>3 friends of his jump from the bushes
>fight them off enough to run
>shirt torn
>cell lost in fight
>find friend in adjacent hood
>use cell
>assemble team
>lead 20 men to battle
>bad tactics
>spotted
>they run
>march army to strategic crossroads
>second army appears
>them
>around 40
>tell men: whoever wants, run
>march forward, nobody runs
>spot friends in their army
>greet
>discuss animosities
>original faggots squirm
>surrender cell
>the end

I consider my business with the first dude settled. Clock ticks for the bush jumpers.

>>742310484
bump

>>742306009
I've never been in a fight.
Only had the shit kicked out of me when I was like 13 by a bunch of older dudes.
After they all bullied and punched and kicked the fuck out of me the "leader" of the group shook my hand and told me I took the beating like a man and that I had his respect.
What the fuck.

>>742309846
yes, sweet sweet victory

>>742309255
sounds like the theme for a good book
or a comic book

>>742310576
>20 people
yeah right

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>>742306009
>18/19 (27 now) Leaving pub, 2 chavs give me shit while walking to taxi rank.
>follow me up road, look over shoulder and only see one.
> turn corner and one of the cunts has dipped through a side street to cut me off
>front man blocks path
>back man runs up and punches me in back of head
>elbow back man in face connect with nose luckily
>front man pulls knife, raise hand to block but just slashed my wrist (pic related)
>back man hits me again and I'm out
>wake up in hospital
>Severed nerves and tendons in right hand, fractured skull and broken nose.
Still have no feeling in two index fingers and thumb.
Awarded £16000 in compensation
Chavs went down for ABH and assault with deadly weapon.

>>742310758
I only called 3, the others kinda showed up

>>742310576
Don't you mean
>be you
>tell gay, fictional stories on the internet
>assume people give a fuck
>listen to me go blah blah blah

>>742306009
My daddy taught me 1 v 1 is a fair fight. Add a digit on any end. And it's a fight to the death.

Blackbeltfag reporting in. 2nd degree in Aikido. Trained in 4 other styles as well. 11 years exp total.

I have been in multiple sparring matches against 3, 5, 7, or more opponents. Granted, this was a training aituation so the real thing will be more extreme. consider my advice as the textbook answer. Apply it to real life however you want.

Numbers in a fight dont mean much. There is no significant difference between a 1v3 fight and a 1v100 fight. Only your stamina to last through them all. At most, you will only have to deal with 3 attackers simultaneously. The others wont have a good angle to actually threaten you in a hand to hand situation.

The general philosophy in a 1vN combat situation is to gain control of thug 1, push him at thug 2, and address thug 3, rinse and repeat until they give up, someone calls cops, you scare them off, or you fuck up and die. Ezpz. GL HF OP

>>742306009
People jumped in after the fight started. Cant tell how many there were, as soon as they started moving in like they were going to join in I ran away.
No amount of training will protect you when outnumbered by people who may or may not have weapons of any kind on them. If you dont have friends around and you get into a fight with multiple guys you should just run or you might wind up getting badly fucked up because you saw too many action movies and take jujitsu.

>>742310909
You blocked with the inside of your fist? Wow ur one lucky idiot.

>>742310576
>20 men
That's a civil riot mate
You did not incite a riot
Shut the fuck up

>>742311238
I raised my to swipe the knife, assuming (in my drunken just been donkey punched brain) he was going to stab me

He swung the knife as I went to (I'm gonna get shit for this but the best was to describe is slap it from his hand) but obviously misjudged his movement and que sara

>>742306009
Kind of.
> be me
> be 5 years ago, recently starting dating my now ex ( psycho bitch but whatever )
> out with her bear where she lives
> she notices two assholes looking at us making out on a bench
> says they're friends of her dickhead ex
> later on, waiting for bus after she went home because was poorfag
> some dude comes up to me saying "ey come here I wanna ask you something"
> I mutter "not interested" thinking he wants to sell me drugs or ask for money
> notice two assholes from earlier approaching from both sides
> oh shit thats her ex
> He grabs my arm, tries to throw punch, block him
> I'm big, they are like 2/3 my size each at most
> notice bus is coming
> start going towards it
> ex grabs my arm and starts trying to keep me and drag me away
> notveryeffective.tar.gz
> I just drag him along, grab bus handles, climb inside and look back
> all three approach, one tries to get on bus, gets kicked in the ribs
> ex punches me in the stomach
> weakass sissy punch
> bus goes
Holy shit my nigga, never fight with a handicap, are you retarded ? Two people, maybe you can deal with, if you manage to knock one out quickly. Three, no fucking way, I was getting out of there, even weak bitches can fucking wreck you. Easily.

>>742311062
>>742310758
>>742311263

well, it probably sucks for your self esteem but it happened. I called some guys, who called some guys, we met more guys going down there. They went to the big church buildings and they convinced the minority that frequents there to come.

>>742311528
Did you take up knife defense after this? You should. Cause once the movements are drilled in your head. You're good. Even drunk.

>>742311555
Check'd
Speaking of handicapped

Once saw 6 coppers trying to take down a guy in a wheelchair

He had one In a headlock and the other 5 were trying to get him to release
Shit was hilarious.

>>742306009
Yeah, long time ago tho.

>be me
>be fucking this 8/10 grill
>turns out she wasnt single
>I didnt know
>her BF was a gypsy/pikey
>he finds out
>knocks fuck outta her, fucking gypsy cunts
>calls me out
>obv accept, fuck this guy
>decide to meet
>set terms over the phone; no weapons, 1v1, no repercussions, etc
>Im the kinda guy that if we fight over whatever, regardless of outcome, I'll shake your hand, & buy you a beer after, and carry on with the night.
>so..
>we meet up as we agreed
>we're at the end of a car park
>hes there, I'm there
>starts fine
>he calls me a cunt for fucking his GF, I call him a cunt for hitting her
>he says 'so lets go then'
>then outta nowhere I get tackled, full force from behind
>I hit the ground like a sack of shit
>proceed to get kicked & beaten whilst on all fours
>take it
>try to take it
>just as I'ma about to cave, they all run off
>fearing police I think
>I get up
>expecting this gypo cunt to still wanna 1v1
>hes nowhere to be seen


This fucking faggot had me rushed, then ran off. I semi-expected the 'getting rushed' thing, but honestly thought the fuck would've stayed to fight after the fact...

>>742306009
once

>was walking with friends
>2 faggots come from nowhere talking shit
>get pissed
>give him a good punch
>he fall off and get away will his friend laughted (he was coming to help his friend)

>>742311843
fucking gyppos
how old were you when this happened brah? how did you find out they hit the girl btw that's fucked up

>>742306009
> Have you ever been outnumbered in a fight?
Yes.

> Did you face more than one person from the start or did more people jump in after the fight started?
Was supposed to be one on one but theres no honour amongst niggers.

> If you train some kind of martial art or just play a sport and lift your input would be appreciated.
I did kickboxing at the time.

They hit like bitches anyway used to get much worse from my dad at home so luckily I could take a hit. Wasn't able to hold my own against 3 niggers and the guy I was supposedly fighting.
In the end I was suspended from school for 5 days "pending an investigation" as their parents were trying to take legal action against my parents.

>College
>my best friend has a friend from another subject
>this guy has the fucking hottest girl i have ever seen for girlfriend
>asian shorty with killer face tits and ass
>numerous times we get all together for board games and karaoke and beers and stuff
>make a move on her cause i had a crush on her so fuck everything
>she likes me too
>flirting with texts over the next month
>extra careful so nobody knows
>we arrange for her to come to my place and spent the night
>she comes
>we hooked on almost immediately
>10 minutes after a knock on the door
>her boyfriend and 3 other dudes are outside hitting the door like the police
>''anon i know you are in there open up''
>get my sweatpants on and told her to wait in bed
>opened up and the guy just gets in and runs in the bedroom
>i grabbed him by the hand and then the 3 other dudes grabbed me and i could not move
>he comes back in dragging my crush from her hair and started slapping her infront of everybody calling her whore
>felt the dudes losing up on their grips so i slipped out and face kicked him when i got close
>he dropped down
>the other three dudes were shocked but they ganged up on me and i covered my self but got hit on the head a lot
>started feeling blood on my mouth too
>said fuck it and grabbed one by the neck and squeezed as hard as i could
>they all hit my hand so i left him and i stood up and told them to leave before i killed someone
>i was fucking shaking like a motherfucker and could not control my body
>i don't know from what, adrenaline? fear? excitement?
>they said we are not done with you
>grabbed the boyfriend and left
>crush was crying
>she spent 2 days in my house after that
>best friend cut ties with me
>never saw anyone of them again
>married crush
>live happily for 6 years now

>>742311148
This bait man, lmao.

>>742311811
Taken 2 years aikido and 3 muay Thai never had to use them thankfully.

It took 9 months of rehab to be able to grip a pen and another 5 to be able to get dexterity enough to write, still isn't right though
Seizes up when cold and pins and needles constantly in afformentioned thumb and fingers I can't do the 'air quotes' as fingers dont bend unless I make a full fist.

>>742312100
mustve been infuriating seeing her being dragged by the hair by that cunt man
how big were they compared to you?

>>742311829
Shit, didn't even notice muh trips.
Sounds pretty goddamn hilarious, how does a guy in a wheelchair even get ahold of anyone's head, they'd have to lean down.

>>742306009
>Have you ever been outnumbered in a fight?
Yep, once.

>Did you face more than one person from the start or did more people jump in after the fight started?
I was trying to stop a fight (8vs1) and pulled out 2 of them and while I was talking to them, teying to calm them down a third one came from behind them and slapped me in the face.
I didn't think and tried to punch him. Didn't land a good punch and he headlocked me. I grabbed him too and tripped him up. When we fell (remember the headlock) I started to punch him in the face as hard as I could, while in the floor.
His friends came to hit me but mine too, so after 30 secs everything stopped. Hopefully I had no physical damage.

TL;DR; 1 guy and later his 7 friends but my friends also came to help me.

>If you train some kind of martial art or just play a sport and lift your input would be appreciated.
Nope at the moment. I did judo when I was in school. Since I was 6 until I was 15 or so. (22 now btw). So not very useful as I forgot almost everything. I actually go to the gym 5 times a week. 91kg (19%fat) 1.88m. stronger than an average guy. 120kg squat for example. Still it's difficult to win against 8 guys without any training in martial arts. Maybe one or two if you know how to punch and you are not drunk af.

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>>742312035
>laughted

>>742312313

And all you got was 16,000 euros/pounds whatever? Fuck ur justice system sucks. I'd go find them and use garden shears to cut off one of each of their great toes.

>be 20ish
>just helped push my bro's shortly car up a hill and back to his house
fuckingtired.jpeg
>walk past 2 15 year old looking kids
>1 is holding his phone like he's recording (white) the other asks for a lighter (nignog)
>no sorry I don......SLAP
Nignog happy slapped me
>I rage and chase after him.....the white kid bottles it and doesn't move an inch. I finally catch the fucker and throw him on the floor. I yell at him not to ever fucking do that to anyone ever again and he's lucky that I'm such a nice guy
>I let him go and walk off.
>when he's at a safe distance he starts talking shit
>then everytime I turn around he walks further away.
Feelsgood

>>742311148
This guy knows his stuff. 4th Dan in TKD and Hapkido, 18 years in differents martial arts and I learned the exact same strategy. Also, jackets are deadly for your opponents,, you can strip a guy and make him your shield

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>>742306009
>>742311843
No. I once taught this douche-bag that was chatting up my gf a lesson. Had the idiot come to a parking lot for a 'fair fight' and beat the shit out of him with my friends.

>mfw he looks up at the end like he expects a cookie or something

>>742306009
Hell yeah. But the fight didn't happened because I acted like a real bitch. Next day I inserted a knife in my enemy's back when he was alone with his freakin' dog.

>>742308568
Lucky bastard
Is she cute?

>>742312363
They patronised him (originally 2) because tbh he was drunk and rolling home or to the next pub, basically just being merry AF causing no bother.

On kneels down and gives it the "haven't you had enough" argument ensues he grabs one to stop him calling for the van, his pard calls the van, rolls up with three inside
Has copper In mong strength grip of a man who's been wheelchair bound for decades (all that rolling man) which they couldn't break

My bad it was 5. But still hilarious.

Fuckers should have let him be and moved on tbh.

>>742312347
it was, not just because i liked her, i mean who the fuck drags another person from the hair....

im 1,80m 85kg i exercise daily with weights
her boyfriend had a similar body with mine but fat instead of muscle
the other three dudes were average 75-80kg dudes all the same height as me more or less

>>742312950
Cops always creating crime instead of stopping it. Amirite.

>>742312930

I think she's hot, but she's 6'2". Cute isn't how I would describe her.

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>>742311843
one other one,

>coming back from training
>do kyokushinkai karate
>dont get ideas, this was a dojo run by 40/50 yr olds, not the MMA shit ppl do today.
>that said, was a 2nd dan
>anyone who knows kyokushinkai, its 90% taking punishment 10% dealing it
>which is why I saw it thru >>742311843
>anyway..
>walking back after class
>again, small town, UK
>its easier to cut thru the woods
>just chilling, its a known footpath
>come across these three asian guys (indian for you Ameri/b/ros)
>they start taking the piss outta my gee bottoms
>meh, ok, they do look stupid, but fuck changing & showering when I live 15min away
>btw, Im wearing a hoodie up top, not full gee, jesus christ
>so, I allow a little piss taking
> one guy demands my kit bag
>tell them all that thats not happening
>so 3v1 it is
>really shit fight
>just a straight up brawl, nothing to be proud of
>they end up (as asians do) running away
>I go home

get this

>about 2/3hrs later, the police are at my door
>ask me where Ive been
>tell them
>police say I assaulted 3 asian guys
>tell police this story

>mfw the asians called the police
>mfw I get charged with a hate crime for self defence
>mfw I have to switch dojo because of this

>>742312950
Jesus, let the disabled fucker get his booze on. Not like he could drink and drive, amirite ?

>>742306009
ok story time /b/

>be me
>be a mid level drug dealer, weed and a whole lot of pills.
>a nigger that has been pretty dickey to me and my bros comes to buy a couple grams
>decide that im gonna rip him
>grab his 20 bucks and tell him to get the fuck out of my house
>he leaves
>i go out 20 miutes later to walk down to a gas station for a couple 2 litres of coke (i dont have a car at this point)
>fucking nigger hits me with his car while im walking
>its all good im just scraped up
>go home smoke some meth and pop some adderall (im selling to fuel my habit)
>my tweeked self decides im gonna go beat his ass
>i lift so im pretty swole, stimulants makes me want to work out
>call him up and tell the nigger to fight me
>he shows up later and tells me to come out
>i come out and see he has 4 or 5 other dudes with him
>he says they are just watching, tweeking self belives him
>fight starts
>get hit a couple times but after he is just running around trying to get away
>punch him hard as fuck in the cheek and he slows down
>start wailing on him
>he goes to the ground
>kick him a couple times
>all the sudden 4 niggers are jumping on me
>animals have no honor
>i punch and try to get out
>try to stay on my feet
>kicked on ground
>feelsbad.jpg
>niggers leave me on the ground
>go home and smoke more meth

2 years ago i was in a shit hole. life pro tip, never trust a nigger.

>>742313105
so you had an athletic build, were you some kind of chad/jock on campus? I mean you scored an 8/10.
And they walked in on you fucking her lol you had your pants on but I assume it was pretty fucking obvious to them, the guy mustve been mad as hell.

>>742312498
Pounds.

That's not the worst part
As they were and still are (I assume) unemployed, they didn't have to pay me

It came from a social fund (I get my lump sum) and they have to pay like 5 pounds a week back
If they miss payment they go to jail but I don't deal with them, last time I saw them was in court and they tried to say I attacked them and it was self defence.

Idiots did it on (not the name) bank street

Literally 6/7 banks on both sides of the road camera everywhere

They even got the one who ran in front peeking around the corner.

I saw the footage
After the second punch I just dropped
They got a couple kicks in and took my wallet (it had like 20 pounds and an old condom) honestly I think they'd have fucked me up more if people hadn't come walking up the street but I remember nothing after that punch till I woke up after surgery.

>>742312047
tbh it was a few years ago m8, I was about 19/20, so 3yrs out.

She told me, as they do. Got a panicked phone call from her saying that 'he found out', Im like, who the fuck is 'he', she went on to enlighten me about this BS situation I was in... Had I known, Id have given her a wide berth, because, fuck being 'that guy', and fuck dealing with pikeys. But soon as she said he beat her, pretty badly too, broken nose & 2 black eyes, couldnt not meet the cunt.

>>742313586
also for a couple years before i trained tang soo do, i never really got good at the fighting style but the blocks became second nature

>>742313704
you got balls regardless m8, pikeys are nasty fighters its remarkable you could even stand up after being roughed up

>>742313135
Correct

Pretty sure no charges were pressed though as he was out the following week

I imagine a guy in a wheelchair fending off 5 po po alone while pissed up is embarrassment enough and tbh I doubt they want it on record

>>742306009
I used to box and do martial arts in my 20's, also I was an asshole who used to run my mouth. Most guys I've ever fought at once and "won" was 3, I don't recommend it because while I still walked away, I was beat to hell afterwards

>>742306009
Okay, im bored, why not.
>Have you ever been outnumbered in a fight?
Yes, several times.
>did you face more than one person from the start or did more people jump in after the fight started?
The worst time I was in jail for drugs. Twelve guys in one big cell (fuck you New Orleans) and the six niggers decided to pick in the only white guy. The five assorted beaners just sat around. I had no where to go and there wasn't anything I could really do except try to stay standing, throw the occasional punch and protect my head. Five minutes of a one sided ass beating until some fat ass CO waddle down and pepper sprayed the whole cell. Me, nignogs, beaners. Pepper spray for everybody.
>If you train some kind of martial art or just play a sport and lift your input would be appreciated.
My dad thought I wasn't tough enough so when I was sixteen he got me a job bouncing at the brass pole in San Diego. Yeah, a gay bar. I thought it was going to be easy money. Breaking up two ponces slap boxing and throwing apple martinis at each other. NOPE. The worst were Sunday's. Sunday's were leather night and there is no feeling in the world like realising there's nothing you could do to the buff masochist with the straight razor he's not mentally prepared for.
No substitute for experience anon.

>>742313984
>Most guys I've ever fought at once and "won" was 3, I don't recommend it because while I still walked away, I was beat to hell afterwards
story? why did you fight them and how did they set you up afterwards?

>>742312507
>mid 20s
>playing 5aside football (soccer)
>my team are all private school fgts apart from me. One is a little bit street coz he's a hothead DJ druggie.
>we are playing a group of little street niggers and 1 tiny little white kid.
Age raging from 6-14, overall there is about 20 of them.
>everything is fine the nignogs go 1-0 up
>then it's 1-1 everything is still fine but they're getting upset
>2-1 to us and they just start kicking our players instead of going for the ball. The ref is a pussy and not calling any fouls and our team are too pussy to do anything.
>one little nignog completely swipes the druggie guy as he's running at speed
>druggie goes apeshit and pushes the kid
Instantly swarmed by little kids
>out of nowhere a 14ish looking kid runs and does a flying punch into my friend's ear.
>none of my team are helping and I'm the furthest away.
>as I'm jogging towards him I decide to take my shirt off (show my tattoos)
>one white kid says "is that supposed to scare me and he does this looping punch/slap that lands on my head.
>I look at him and smile then proceed to my friend, I grab him and pull him away and instruct my team to leave.
I did karate from the age of 5-10 and I learned the best way to defend yourself is to try and avoid the fight.
2 hours later, 2 people were stabbed by a group of kids in the same park.

>>742310484
This guy kicks

>>742312711
Yeah, tbh, had I known the whole situ, I wouldn't have gotten involved. And if he hadnt have hit her I'd have apologized, bought him a beer, explained myself, and if he hit me, he hit me. And as I said, I expected to be rushed, but I also expected for him to still wanna fight after, as gypsys do. But nah, just ran off. Confirmed my belief that you have to be a full on coward to hit a chick.

>>742313214
Literally rolling pleasently
I mean he was swerving a little, he was probably on his way to the taxi rank or kebab house

I think they were just looking for someone to be cunts with tbh.

Hold up he's well known around that area (cleckheaton) uk

Imma see if I can find a picture of him.

>>742306009
Had to knuckle out a few fuckers, worst was three dudes in a bathroom at the bar, If you can back yourself into a corner and know what you're doing you're golden, they can't get behind you and you can take em basically one at a time.

>>742313644
You should buy Them all tickets to Disneyworld. Let me know what hotel they are at. And they will all come back with one less digit.

Our cops here are lazy, and no free health care.

yes, i had a friend who had a friend call me over
>ok
>it was him and his other friend jumped me
>i poked one of their eyes then hit the other guy

>>742314261
>worst was three dudes in a bathroom at the bar
what did you do to piss them off?

>>742306009
#1 rule about fight Club is 'you don't talk about fight Club you summerfag

>>742313633
meh, i never considered myself goodlooking, on college years i was about waking up go to class after class go home, eat ,go to the gym for 1-2 hours and then proceed waste the remaining day playing lineage 2 and call of duty and generals and do whatever the fuck with the squad but with this girl we clicked right away. i was just wearing sweatpants, no blouse or t shirt or whatever and she was naked in my bed, so yea. No amount of mad gives you right to treat someone like that, female or male...we are not fucking animals, we communicate. Don't get me wrong, a little violence is good here and there but that was over the top cuck acting!!!

>>742313916
I dunno about having balls m8, I can just take a pasting! If you got grounds to have a go at me, its not my place to deny you that.

Take it you're UK too? Its a shame that the days of a rough up outside a pub, shaking hands, and having a beer together are long gone. Now its all about calling 1000 mates down and bringing knives... such a shame

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>>742314218
That's the guy it was in the local paper aparently.

That's the pub he was leaving.

>>742314112
I was at a bar, drunk, and insulted some dudes girlfriend because she was being a cunt to people. He called me out and the bouncers could see shit was about to go down so they tossed us out. Met up with him and two of his buddies down the street, tried to apologize for it cause drunk but they wouldn't have it. I don't remember much of the fight except I ducked a haymaker and elbowed some bloke in the jaw, felt it crack. He was done after that. It ended up on the ground where I got kicked/stomped but still managed to get up and fight them off. I had two cracked ribs and a concussion.

>>742314446
Yeah but we're all here so clearly someone broke the 1st and 2nd rule

Seeing as you brought it up I'm pointing fingers

LET'S DANCE JACK.

>>742314756
yea England here too, and I agree nowadays if you get in a fight it just escalates too much because everyone's a pussy

>>742314410
One of em bumped into me and spilled his beer on his friend and figured the rational thing was to follow me to the bathroom 20 minutes later kek

>>742313586
You're a fucking loser dude.

>>742315111
what a fucking idiot
were you and them drunk?

>>742314949
to true mate. Well, from one Englishman to another, good to see there's others with the same mindset, if I ever run into you, I'll buy you a pint.

>>742306009
Okay okay. On mobile so no green text. Wasn't that bad but still.

I was out on my motorcycle in Tampa. Nothing special just a cafed out jap bike, no extremely loud exhaust pipes or anything. Some crack heads ran out in the street (it's night BTW) and spit on me. So I stopped and they walked up to me. And I asked them nicely why they spit on me. They slurred something and one of them tried to push me off my motorcycle (habit of kicking the kickstand at stop lights and shit had the kickstand down so it just landed on it.) and I grabbed the key from the ignition and threw it into the grass. (I have a spare in my wallet inside my riding jacket) the Nigger crack head took a hard swing at my helmet (didn't feel a thing.. ) I'm mad now. So I'm off my bike and just taking some nasty ass swings knocked their druggie asses down. Then one pulled out what I thought was a knife. And I kicked him in the side of the neck. Seriously thought he died at this point. The other one is off in the grass looking for the key. I walk over and kick him in the gut. He falls to the ground. I bend over an talk into his ear "open the door, get on the floor. Everybody walk the dinosaur"

>>742314272
I wouldn't pay for there bus ride to the local dole office nevermind Disney land,

Used the money (once able) to buy a car, pass my test and pay off my CC and other studenty shit. Like 6g total

And go on two bomb ass holidays to Cuba (2 weeks) and Amsterdam, kopemhagen Sweden and Italy. (6 weeks travel)

All paid for by some cunt who wanted my taxi and takeaway money and an expired Condom.

>>742315238
I was buzzed, didn't feel my right eye split open but still straight enough to fight, and one of them was plastered for sure, not too bad with the other two

>>742315330
I'm on mobile too fam

>you just don't know how to do it, and that's okay we all have to learn.

Been mugged by a few guys before there where three of em all Mexican I fought dirty and fought em off just do what you gotta do don't worry about "fighting like a bitch" I bite a dudes fingertip off and poked another eye pretty good

>>742314921
It was meat loaf and new fag tyler

>>742315111
all too common m8, good thing you were able to handle yourself, and sober enough to.

also check'd

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I find it pretty cool that some of you have fought so protect a girl.
I know the white knight meme and all that but for real I would have no idea how to react if someone assaulted my girl

>>742315302
eh I'm in SE London

btw how did your hate crime charges go?

>>742315609
>It was meat loaf and new fag tyler

Slap meatloaf bitch tits

Tyler is jack.

Or jack is Tyler.

When i was in elementary school, these two guys that were significantly smaller than me tried to jump me on the bus, punched one in the face and grabbed the other one by the hair and smashed his face into the window and broke his nose. No repercussions were dished out because they tried to fucking double team me, I was just protecting myself.

>>742315702
Even if you.lost, you'd probably swing for the dude.

It's instinct

Nature over nurture
I imagine you'd at least give it your best.

>>742315743

Jumping in here, CR0 here.

>>742315743
>>742310909
Yooo English brethren

Looks like we've invaded the thread

Tally ho boys
Also wrist slash guy here

>>742316125
BD19 here btw
>>742310909
>>742315951

>>742316125
do you English bros just really like Cheetos?

If you want to protect yourself, don't box or do Taekwondo, do MMA or Krav Maga, that's real shit and will prepare you for any fight, gets you ripped as fuck, unlike most martial arts.

>>742310576
The outsiders?

>>742316236
Wotsits are better

>>742316250
Muay Thai has similar effects.

I train mma 5 days a week, and have had a couple amateur fights. If you are ever in such a situation run, there is no technique that will realistically enable you to fight multiple people. If it looks like you have to, sucker punch the weakest one and then run. If there's no way you'll get away, it's honestly better to not defend yourself. If you fight back they'll just be more vicious when you're inevitably on the ground getting the shit kicked out of you. If you don't fight at all, they'll take it easier on you.

>>742309035
>kicks are useless in a fight
>what is an oblique kick
i'll tell you what it is, it's a broken knee.

>>742316628
Leg and oblique kicks are the only kicks that should be thrown in the street, anything else and you're begging to get destroyed

>>742306009
>Grew up in a pretty bad neighborhood growing up
>One asshole kid always picking fights
>One day playing football he tackles my brother and starts hitting the shit out of him
>I run over and knee the kid and jump on top of him
>His two cousins come over and pull me off and start hitting me
>I jump up and start swinging wildly and hit one of them in the jaw and knock him down
>The other two jump on me and my brother just watches
>Dad comes out and breaks it up
>Takes me out to Sheridan's for standing up for bro against 3 dudes

>>742315951
>>742316125
>>742316229
if any of you got kik hit me up sometime andrewmagn

>>742316628
Or a shattered phemur.

Still effective 10/10 would sweep the leg

>>742316765
We should make a group chat.

>>742315743
Luckily enough court threw it out. They didnt show up to court, so it was my brief & I vs CPS, judge ruled not enough evidence tho. So, I 'got away' with a crime I didnt commit. Thats Thames Valley Police for you...

Same thing happend about 6 months later, when they remanded me in HMP Reading for 3 months because I was near a fight in Revs... again, no charges. I just avoid going to town these days, and m8, tbh, I dont even miss it. Gimme a backwater locals pub any day

>>742315743
also RG1 m8, Im the guy you replied to

>>742316776
Keeping your feet planted and lowering your CoG a bit is the way to go my man, way more power in everything you do

>>742316869
a UK scrappers chat? Im in. I'll even get a kik for this. absolute jokes

>>742310909
Wow shit Anon. You almost got your fucking ass killed.

>>742317079
Good advice thank you.

>>742306009
Yes. From the start. Wrestle in high school at 160. Walking home from school. Two Negroes walk toward me. I alter my path to go around and they block my path. I drop my books and square off and they rush me. Clock the first one hard in the temple and he goes down. Second one is one me and we go down. I get him in an arm bar and pull till I hear/feel a pop. Fucker faints from the pain. I hop up to see my friend who wrestled at 220 has driven up and is beating the shit out of number 1 negro. Pick up my shit and deliver a couple of parting rib kicks to each fucker. Catch a ride with friend who is laughing like mad.

>>742306009
>Have you ever been outnumbered in a fight?
yup. was only playfighting, but they started ganging up on me cause i was always winning.
still won.
haha

>>742317410
you fucking savage

>>742317257
Yeah aparently two people interrupted them and called the ambulance, one was a nurse stemmed the bleeding, any longer I imagine I would have been.

>>742306009
Be 19. Young and dumb. Think im badass because no guidance growing up. My personality became that of my friends. Friends are "gangster" type with fitted caps and jordans. Aquire first gun. Old ass .22 revolver. Took it everywhere. Have girlfriend. Fine ass mexican mami. Some guy is tryin to get with her. Tell him to back off. Our shit society embraces slut behavior so girl ends up cheating with dude. I find out and dump her ass. Drive to his work at closeing. Hes outside with female manager waiting for his ride. I get out of car say "ive been looking for you, bitch" as i run up on him. His boss gets scared and leaves in her car. Just me and him. (Well i had a friend with me but he just stood against the car smokeing a cig the whole time) we square up and i throw the first punch. He instantly ducks and grabs me. slams my ass on the concrete. I get up quickly. Took my shirt off and throw it in his face as i rush him again. Land a punch. Squared up again. He never attacks first just tries to counter me if i come in. (I find out later he does mma) i land a few here and there. Hes tagging me more than im tagging him. (All face shots) Hes also throwing leg kicks. One kick almost swept my feet right out from under me. Noones dealing knockout blows. Even fight except hes landing a few more. I decide to do some trickery. I fake like im going to grab his legs for a takedown or slam. He naturally drops his hands to defend. I timed it perfectly. Came right back up with a hard straight right. *ding rung his fuckin bell right on the nose. He rushes me hard swinging for the fences. I dodge every punch. His nose is leaking and swollen. a truck pulls up (his dad) big tatted dude gets out of the truck with the quickness and starts to run up on me. Nope. I go to my car and grab the gun but dont show it yet. He stops in his tracks. I think he knew what i was doing. He yells at his son to get in the truck. They drive away. My friend just chilled the whole time smoking a cig.

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>>742317219
Consider it done
#ukscrap

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>>742317444
CH CH CHECK'D

>>742317826
D/Ling now

>>742315815

Tyler said you'll ask this...
O_○ the world may never know

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I train in muay Thai and yes, I have been outnumbered
>get nigger angry at me
>shouts for his friends to join in
>only one comes
>"we ain't bitches nigga"
>remember reading an article about circling when attacked by multiple people
Circle, punch, circle, punch
>a long time later, they are on the ground with broken noses
>I only get a black eye
>next day, hear I apparently got my ass beat
Mfw

>>742306009
Yes.
Used to run with a gang, so shit fights all over. Been jumped, been thrown through a hazing, you name it. One of my homies was a boxer, and tried to teach me, I tried muay Thai, and other than that I used to lift.

If you must fight numbers, don't pull punches. Be brutal. Palm the nose up, stomp on the instep, if they have a shirt pull it over their head.

Go for the throat

>>742317826
gg m8, im in

>>742317826
Joined said wassup boys and then phone reset three times.

Had to hop in come just running antivirusshit

>>742318728
how long were you in the gang for and how old were you?
gang hazing must be fucking brutal

>>742318904
Hop on the computer.

>>742309451
Fuck niggers

>>742318967
Just over four years. I got jumped in at sixteen.

Yeah, it was fucking brutal at first. Started out as fight this bigger dude, than guys started jumping in. Worst it got though was getting hit with chains.

>>742306009
>outnumbered
yes, 5-6:1, his buddies jumped in
>martial art
boxing, judo, rugby, hockey
>did it help?
fuck no, I got the shit beat out of me
>did I deserve it?
fuck yes (sorta), I instigated it by zapping asshole #1 in the mouth/face with a Chinese pepper spray zipgun. But he had his fist back, ready to coldcock me. I heeded the "Bush Doctrine" and struck first.

Fortunately, in the subsequent mayhem, I slithered out, flagged a taxi around the corner and had him drop me off a few blocks away from my apartment (NYC).

I regret nothing.

>>742306009

1) Yes.

2) Both, plenty of times.

3) Grew up around crime, drug addicts, alcoholics, paedophile teenagers and men and women: Poverty. My mum was with a couple of bad men over the years too, I had some pretty bad beatings as a child. Deaf in one ear and brain injuries as a result. I know how to throw a punch, and how to win a fight.


The only fights I ever won is where I brandished weapons, or fucked people up so badly the rest leave it.

>be at youth club
>12 - 13 years old
>refuge from all of the shit
>bullies show up one day for some reason, same age but much bigger than me
>youth club has sweets they can buy cheap
>mutual friends of my best friend
>"playfighting" turns into full fighting, all directed at me
>butch lesbian looking girl aka cunt #2 has me in headlock (i was a small kid, hadn't even hit puberty at this age)
>get a punch in face from chav cunt #1, mean fucker with rapist dad lives in same area, constantly on my case
>it hurts so I do everything I can to get out of chav cunt #2's grip
>it works
>my best friend at the time punches me directly in the face
>i tell him that was a big mistake and try to leave
>they start coming at me
>run to the kitchen
>they run after me
>i throw everything I can at them
>no kitchen item goes amiss
>leave through back fire door
>friend comes out first
>"i am trying to leave this situation"
>grab a massive firelog at the back of the building just outside the exit
>ram it into his face
>goes down hard
>the rest are coming with another cunt, chav cunt #3
>run
>circle around back to the youth club
>they find me on a grass hill
>push a shopping cart down at me
>hits me in the leg
>youth club workers can finally respond because they'd been looking for us
>needs stitches

Plenty of shit like this happened in my childhood.

>>742319488
Did he deserve that shit? Did you leg it far man? NY seems rad for that shit.

>>742319488
lol why did you zap him in the first place

8 on 1. 8 tough black guys on 1 white.

I turned, charged knocked two down and got the fuck out of dodge. I call it a win.

My run-fu is strong.

>>742319540
Shit man. What kinda brain injuries? I can't tell red from white, think it was a shovel upside the head.

>>742320529
Well the long term symptoms of the brain injuries I have had are improper hormonal regulation (need frequent blood tests), speech difficulties and trouble concentrating. I also have frequent headaches (weekly, daily) instead of the normal maybe once a month in healthy people.

It gets better over time, very slowly. I'm having a lot less headaches now.

>>742316916
Fucking hell I miss Revs.
I came back from the Purple Turtle one day in the summer. It was soooo hot I had the front door open.
A little while later some crackhead just came walking into my front room wearing some hospital clothes and he had some cuts. (Obviously a druggie who just had the shit kicked out of him.
Just chatted for a bit and gave him some roll ups. Lol
I'm pretty lucky to be honest

I have been in both situations, first time was when i saw 7 black fags beating the shit out of 1 white guy so i thought only right to jump in. As the white boy had zero fight in him he decided to fuck off, so it was me v 7 black cunts. I had a blue Ralf Lauren shirt on that was ripped off in under 3 seconds, i took about 10 to 15 punches, never blocked 1 of them. I knocked out 3 of them with 2 punches and a headbutt to the mouth. I was only 19 years old! My friends who were over the street looking for weapons before they helped finally turned up. One of which got bottled before using the scaffold pole he brought. The other pal helped me fight the other 4 till 2 fucked off. we battered fuck out of the last 2, when it was 1 on 1. I put back on my then bloodied shirt and tried to enter a night club but got refused for blood on my shirt.

second fight was at school, fought a boy from another school and only 3 from my school turned up for moral support compared to his 10+ friends who all had a kick at me at some point. 1 of which gave me a white flash that made me blind for about 45 seconds.... i screamed stop i cant see!!!!! they did stop... think they got scared.... once vision resumed so did I. I ran off and had about 5 follow me including the boy i was fighting. Knocked him out with right left right. Then elbowed his Mrs for jumping on my back. bloody nose..... she was a ginga.

>>742320978
Fuck man. I only kinda feel your pain, but damn. I know what it's like to feel like your head ain't yours. Or like your body is forfeit.

>>742321284
props for stepping in to help that guy man
were most of the punches landed on your face?

Middle schhol and high school in vegas. It happened pretty often. only advice I can give is use your strengths. If you're a bigger guy, use that strength. A smaller person, you are probably pretty fast. And go as beast as you can. If you've seen "Batman begins", the scene when he's in the prison. You're gonna get hit, might as well make each mother fucker that touches you hurt even more. Get your adrenaline pumping and go for broke.

>>742320989
>implying turtle wasnt a drug den
was pretty chill during the afternoon tho.

Thats a fuckin crazy story tho m8. The issue was is that the turtle was so lax. Fucking table football at 1am on a saturday... christ the memories...

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>>742319666
observed.
>>742319666
bar on Upper West Side. My face was all bloody from busted nose, lip, so I wiped myself up best I could (ruining my suit) and turned the corner to hail a cab. Several passed me probably because of the bleeding until I just turned my face away so they couldn't see the damage. Apartment was about a mile away.

No way I was going to hoof it with a potential posse on my tail, plus the police rolling up as we were driving away.

Fortunately, I was a regular, and the staff covered for me: "never saw him before, didn't get a good look, everything happened so fast" blah blah blah

Persona non grata for a month, bartender said that crew came back looking for me a couple of times. Then everything went back to normal.


>>742319682

yeah, he was about to coldcock me

pic related, size and shape of zipgun

>>742321469
mostly back of head on side of face but never felt 1 and had very little visible damage

>>742321424
The amount of times I have been hospitalized with head injuries is ridiculous. Though it was never at noticeable until recently.

At first I was incredibly scared of the implications that all of these problems I have are due to brain injury over the years after receiving a diagnoses for one of those symptoms I was experiencing this year after I banged my head at work and could barely get out of bed for a week (I'm 22 now).

Now I just see it as any other injury, but one that will take a long time to heal. Seeing and feeling it heal gives me hope, and has eliminated all of the worry I have.


Take some advice from me people:

Write down EVERY single time you bang your head if it causes you any pain, even if it is a light one that you can brush off because it stopped hurting a second after.

Trust me.

>>742320989
and sneaking in the back garden thru the fence... m8, I'd even forgotten about that shit.


I bet we'd have been in that glorious shit hole at the same time.

u fukn legend

>>742320054
Run-fu is a most excellent skill.

I trained with Ruh-na-wei when I'm in a location that doesn't allow me to use Glock-fu.

me 19 yo w male with a 3 year sentence in south carolina , was from NC got caught spring break myrtle beach 1995 breaking into cars dumbest thing ever to break into cars but i was a dumbfuck at 19 like most. in prison , no visits no money cause peeps wanted to teach me a lesson. never been to prison before was scared to fight . realized once i got there i needed to not only fight but fight well or have to fight all the time. I had a few scrapes one on one with white guys , avoiding the gangs . since I was not from anywhere in the state I had no " homeboys" so i rolled solo for the most part or one dude i knew from county jail in myrtle beach.....anyway i was poor and was a thief so i stole from inmates and i gambled. caught a nigger named haiti cheating one night and decided to fuck him up and invited him to my room to settle it......a week beore i had gotten into it with a five percenter that had loaned a friend of mine a pack of cigarettes and checked into protective custody without paying . he told me i was going to pay and i said I wasn't he said he was gnonna fuck me up so i fucked him up on the spot. his name was supreme god allah. lol

>elementary school
>be about 5th grade
>walking around playground with friends
>one throws a Gatorade bottle into the group of 7th and 8th grade monstrous mexicans
> friends point at me and say "he did it" then run away
>oh shit here they come
>get shoved by one.
>throw a straight right back
>movie moment where he slowly moves his face back towards me and smiles
>get hit in the back of the head
>start to fall
>oh god this is not where I want to be
>get my head stomped and kicked until the bell rings
>knocked unconscious
>some teacher finds me an hour later sleeping in the middle of the field on an Arizona August day half dead
>meet next door neighbor in the bed next to me when I wake up
>super popular biggest guy in school who secretly borrowed games and played with me
>(he had a heart condition that I found out about that day)
> follows leader of the Mexican group home (we all ride same bus)
>kicks his ass for me
>and I got get well cards from the moms of my friends who ran.
>10 years later I still plan on fucking their single mothers for revenge

>>742320989
m8 join >>742317826

>>742318904
you make it thru m8

>>742322224
i hit haiti over the head with a towel full of d batteries used for prison tattoos. then he hit me with a number 5 master lock , like throwing a strike to the back of my head from 20 feet away. i always heard if you fought haiti he bites so watch out and what do i do? stick my hand right in his mouth but quickly pull back when he zings me with his monkey mouth. it was quite a show.

after i shit kicked supreme god allah another one of his god body buddies said " you gonna stop beating up black folk around here"

well after me and haiti rolled, 20 of those 5 percenter rolled into my room and beat my ass like whoa and then at count the police seen haiti with a busted head and started looking for whoever else had scrapes and found me and walked me out of my room in front of 250 other men after just having my ass beat by 20 blacks. I was 20 years old.

then i was thrown into a 14 month long 23 hours a day lockdown. the end

>>742322855
sounds brutal man, were you a big guy back then?

>>742323054
5-10 180

>>742322855
>>742323218
Jesus fucking Christ.

Take my hat off to you /b/rother.