Still pretty bummed about Bernie losing. How are you feeling /b/?

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Not great.

so it goes

>>742096468
Well he's was a bullshit candidate that promised shit he could never deliver all the while his dumb ass views on socialism which would further increase the governments power causing all sorts of other shit.

>>742096609
that would be quite a filibuster

>>742096764
how is that different than our current situation?

>>742097048
It's not.
Just people that think Bernie was a better alternative than any of the other bullshit candidate that were shoved into our face.

We haven't had a good president in decades.

>>742096764
The point is that Bernie's platform is closer to what democrats are actually supposed to stand for, things like livable wage, stronger unions, single payer healthcare, etc etc

No, he probably couldn't get everything passed. But the point is to have a platform that unites the working class, like the original intent of the democratic party

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>>742096468

>>742096468
We know you are. This is what happens when everybody gets a trophy and they don't know what its like to get their ass beat so bad that they still arn't over it 8 months later
Kek

>>742097193
that pic brings me so much joy.

>>742097145
unfortunately, this time around, no candidate was better than the other... well, I feel we probably wouldn't be having as much shit going on if any of the reps had beaten trump in the primaries.

for fucks sake, I'm pretty sure we'd be better off with Ted Cruz or Johnson than our current prez.

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>>742096468
Fuck that white piece of shit

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>>742096468
CRAAAAWLING IIIIINNNNN MY SKIIIIIIN

>>742096468

You know how I know you're like 20 years old and completely oblivious to how the world works?

>>742097285
Johnson maybe, Cruz no way. Cruz is a political nihilist- he wants to destroy government as we know it, not try to make it better. Plus he is more dangerous because he actually knows how to get his agenda passed by congress.

I'm really mad at the DNC. They colluded with the Hillary Clinton campaign to insure that he didn't win. For example, he won more that 60% of the vote in Massachusetts but she walked away with more delegates because super-delegates voted the way the DNC leadership told them to vote and the collusion between the campaign and the DNC leadership make certain that Bernie didn't get them.

>the gloating that occurred after that election in the emails on Wikileaks is fucking disgusting.

>>742097483
Hillary got more of the popular vote in Mass. Your point does apply to other states though, such as Utah, where Bernie absolutely clobbered Hillary, but she got away with more superdelegates for the reasons you described.

>>742097285
Fuck. Ted. Cruz.

>>742097193
lol this woman probably called Bernie supporters all sexist for not voting for Hillary then moved onto calling all Trump supporters sexist for not voting for Hillary.

>>742097369
I, for one, would have welcomed our new lizard overlords.

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A communist that failed to bring communism to our great country. Why would anyone be bummed about him losing?

Get. Over. It.

>>742097285
Fuck that. Maybe Rubio or Kasich could have worked but Ted Cruz is a shit bag.

>>742097628
>not knowing the difference between dem. socialism and communism in 2017

>>742097597
indeed. fuck trump more though.

Ted isn't from my state, so IDK. I live in florida, and you're reacting like I would as if Rick Scott were to run for president.

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>>742096468
Still soiling for the Bern man.

>>742096468
>How are you feeling /b/?
OP feels the burn

>>742097715
terrible shop. I mean, just look at the dudes head on the right

>>742097675
I'm not saying he's not. but in comparison to trump....?

I couldn't be happier he lost.

>>742097687
>not knowing Bernie Sanders younger years
>not knowing he literally got married in Moscow
>not know he was a communist sympathizer during the cold war

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>>742096468
He was the president we needed, but not the president we deserved.

>>742097820
OK, I'm just trying to point out that democratic socialism and communism are different things

>>742096468
Ffs get over it

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>>742096468
it's the democrats fault for fucking him over and choosing shillary. he would have easily beat trumps dumb ass. i still prefer trump to shillary though, they got what they deserved. then blamed the russians for "hacking the election" lmfao

>>742096468
>how are you feeling?

Like the election was last year, and you need to live in the present, not the past like some republitard.

>>742096468
Holt fuck retard the election was months ago you need to move on

>>742097817
Exactly, he is old enough to have seen the true evils of socialism and communism, and yet he still wants them. He plans to double our budget before ever lowering it as well. If he got away with anything, he would have economically destroyed this country. Also the fact he gave up so easily and backed down when BLM shitards were screaming at him shows he has no spine, and would bow to anything that could possibly be a challenge.

To clarify, I agree with you, just fucking hate the man.

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>>742097577
sry, I meant New Hampshire.

>>742097267
have you seen the news this weekend? are you really sucha inbread child you think the alternative is better?

>>742097791
Trump is a bumbling idiot who has a majority in both chambers of congress and still can't get shit done. Ted Cruz would know how to work the system because he's actually really smart, and it would definitely not be for the better.

>>742098039
Can you point out where in Bernie's 2016 platform he advocated for communism? I didn't realize single payer healthcare, free college tuition and a livable wage (all things most Americans support) = communism

>>742097967
our political system doesn't really give much choice. it's career suicide to not endorse the party's candidate that wins the primaries. he could have not endorsed her, then he'd have been ridiculed by his colleagues the way Cruz was after denying to endorse Trump.

>>742096468
Socialism is autism

>>742097328
posting anime automatically makes you autistic i hope you know

>>742097628
Well, it beats Nazism. America sided with the communists to stop the nazis.

>>742098056
How would taxpayer funded college tuition and universal healthcare lead to "purges", you inbred buffoon?

>>742097349
do you know how I know you're born in the usa and dont have a passport?

>>742098105
>and it would definitely not be for the better.
speculative.

while I generally agree, it probably wouldn't be as bad as the political climate is now.

>>742096468
Yeah pretty bummed...
But hey, we get to have a second cold war now... except the worlds greatest are no longer in charge. We have two ignorant and arrogant fat kids.

>>742096764
Anon, the banks and large corporations (jews) have a stupid proportion of your country's wealth. He could deliver on everything and they would barely feel it.

>>742098186
>posting on an anonymous image board created by weaboos to discuss anime
got bad news for you, son...

>>742097483
this so much
pretty obvious this american "demuhcracy" is a joke
for a country that swings dicks all day about how free they are all they do is give their money to gun companies

>>742098306
>cold war

do you mean with russia? because we're going to go civil first, then trump's going to hand over the keys to putin when he can't take being called "tiny hands" any more.

>>742096609
link pls

>>742098039
You burgers are so deep inside your own ass its actually sad.
He wanted a more european style of goverment. Not a country where you have to get 50k s of debt just for college. Whithout the highest imprisonment rate in the world. Where people have a healthcare. Where you can´t just get fired when your are sick.
And how are the european countries doing? Are they communistic? Hell, in europe Sanders would have been considered right wing, regarding economical politics.
That said, I still sided with Trump after he was kicked out of the election so unfairly.

>>742097922
Chkd,

Look at Venezuela, that's dem.socialism. how is that going along? It's creeping towards open communism. ALL socialism leads to communism. Straight outta the horses mouth, or in this case Karl Marx's mouth. When he said socialism is Communism lite. And in Venezuela it is dem.socialism. they voted for the socialists and this is what they get in return, a party that will do anything to stay in power. Including moving towards autocratic tyranny.

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>>742097988
That entire narrative came from Rachel Maddow, who's trying to save face for getting the election so wrong. If she discredits the victory somehow and makes his victory illegitimate, she wasn't really wrong. She's desperate for there to be Russian collusion because if there wasn't any, she was grossly incompetent as a journalist then entire year of 2016.

This is the broadcast that started the whole "hacked the election" narrative.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy1vk1mZhiw

>>742096764
Good work. Keep letting FOX put words in your mouth. Try not to think about how you couldn't get specific about any of that propaganda if your life depended on it. That's a good boy.

>>742098318
You realize Bernie himself is Jewish right?

>>742097817
>>not knowing he literally got married in Moscow

Literally not true.

>>742096468
Ok thanks, how are you?

>>742098532
>ALL socialism leads to communism
guess we should tear up our roads, and get rid of servicemen and first responders too.

>>742098532
Yeah that's fun. Now let's look at the worst example of capitalism and compare that to the best example of socialism, for an equally pointless and idiotic conclusion.

>>742098264
>muh passport

>>742097967
I think that nobody should be surprised at how he endorsed clinton. He seemed to be the only one who realized that trump actually had a chance to win and he reluctantly put his support behind the democratic nominee regardless of the fact that she was trash and that he got fucked over hard.

>>742098124
I'll give that he didn't in his campaign that I'm aware of, but it'll always lead to there, as it has always done in the past. Look at Venezuela and tell me that's what you want, because that is exactly what Bernie wants.

http://www.libertynewsdaily.com/blog-929-flashback:-bernie-sanders-praised-socialist-venezuela-as-model-for-ending-income-inequality

Thing is, with single payer healthcare, we can barely take care of our troops, using the military budget, and that's just 8% of our country. How the fuck do you think we can take care of the rest?

>>742098532
>that's dem socialism

No it isn't. Socialism means bureaucratic control of the means of production. Democratic socialism means the people control the means of production, not the bureaucrats.

Plus, Venezuela has decades and decades of drug crime intermingled with politics that creates an unstable environment. To say that they are the way they are because of "socialism" is lazy thinking and ignores decades of descent into a crime-ridden nation that cannot separate money and politics

>>742098698
Oh, so you're just making shit up.

Got it.

>>742096468
Karma is sweet. The Dems fucked over Bernie for a losing candidate. Got what they deserved. Justice

>>742098698
I'm sure bernie would love nothing more than to see the American economy collapse, and its people descend into chaos.

>>742098186
>Posting anime on 4chan founded by cuck a duck mootykins
>Autistic
It's what this chan was made for.

>>742098698
>Look at Venezuela and tell me that's what you want, because that is exactly what Bernie wants.

I guess it's "Make shit up" o'clock

>>742096468
my 401k is up 18% since November
my IRA is up 24% since November

>feels good man

>>742098698
>Look at Venezuela and tell me that's what you want, because that is exactly what Bernie wants.
That's the point. There is no way in hell he would get what he wants because he is so far left of the average american congressperson. But he would be pushing the system towards that direction, instead of towards the stone age like our current Mr. President.

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>>742098124

Bernie has always been a communist, he didn't advocate for it because it wouldn't hold, so he used socialism and made it sound nice to get college retards to vote for him.

Voting for theft doesn't make it right, but socialists don't care about morals.

>>742098935
>he would be pushing the system towards that direction

Bernie does not want drug cartels to control all politicians and their votes, I'm pretty sure

>>742096468
Blame the democratic party for backstabbing their own

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>>742098935

Solid point, why can't everyone else see this?

>>742099018
If a majority of Americans support raising taxes or cutting the bloated defense budget to pay for public college tuition, that doesn't amount to theft, because a majority of Americans willfully approve of it

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/01/over-60-of-americans-back-tuition-free-college-survey-says.html

>>742097369
Given how badly overgrown government has become, we could could use a nihilist.

>>742098669
And pay the non-socialized cost of $12 per gallon of gas.

And get rid of the Ag subsidies, so retards can pay the true cost of a quarter pounder, about $15.

And throw all the technology developed during the space race and Cold War out. There go the cars, the aircraft, the computers, the weapons, building technology, materials sciences, ballistics, communications, etc etc etc

>>742099198
When you say "overgrown government", which programs are you referring to? Our bloated military budget, which Cruz would gladly double? Or are you referring to entitlement spending, which is a small fraction of what we spend on nation building and drone bombs?

>>742098504
He wanted free college, free healthcare, a 90% tax rate for some people, and I can't imagine much lower for anyone slightly below 300k a year, which is what it takes to be in the top 1%, wants to more than double our budget rather than cut spending so we fucking crash and burn like Venezuela did, which he praised was what he wanted, Voted AGAINST military border patrols to battle drugs and terrorism, voted against federal employees on random drug testing, voted no on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids, voted yes on Congressional pay raise, voted no on requiring photo ID to vote in federal elections, is highly against guns, voted yes on sanctuary cities, voted no to building a better fence at the border, seems to have NO PROBLEM with a $15 national minimum wage, which would fucking destroy small town economies.

I have my reasons for not liking the guy.

>>742099119
>pay for public college tuition
Dumbest idea since a minimum wage.

>>742099250
>government bailouts, etc etc

>>742098764
It's exactly what Sanders wanted, he was quoted in saying that was a perfect example of true socialism!

>>742099119

Just because two guys in a room vote to steal from me doesn't make it right. I'm talking about one-payer healthcare. Theft is wrong even if you vote for it, and thankfully this article is full of shit because you can't accurately account for the majority of the American population in a survey.

>>742099292
We had a 90% corporate tax rate in the 1950's and businesses did just fine.

>a $15 national minimum wage, which would fucking destroy small town economies.

Yes, Seattle seems absolutely devastated

>>742096468
>Still pretty bummed about Bernie losing.
>Still pretty bummed
>9 months after election
get over it

>>742098769
He was a fucking die hard communist in the 70s, I hope he isn't now, but that doesn't change the fact he wants something evil, which is socialism, which always leads to communism if it doesn't get overthrown first. Go read a history book.

>>742099386
maybe instead of raise the minimum wage we could just lower the cost of living.

>>742099283
>entitlement spending, which is a small fraction of what we spend on nation building and drone bombs?
1,275.7 billion on social security & unemployment
1,051.8 on gov healthcare and medicare
609.3 billion on military

>you
>having any idea what the fuck you are talking about

>>742096468
Still bummed about it, too, but on the plus side, the election of Trump has basically guaranteed a democratic president in 2020, if they don't fucking shoot themselves in the foot like they did in 2016.

It makes me angry at the democrats, too. Congress is a separate issue due to state politics and gerrymandering, but there's no reason the democrats shouldn't have the presidency besides their own incompetence during elections. 2016 was their election to lose, and 2020 will be even more so. If they can't unseat Trump in 4 years, then they don't deserve to call themselves a serious political party.

>>742099494
I don't understand why people are so against raising the minimum wage to adjust for inflation and then chaining it to inflation. What's so wrong about the idea that minimum wage keeps up with the cost of living and inflation?

>>742099488
you've been brainwashed if you think capitalism and socialism cannot coexist...

one without the other is a road to corruption.

>>742099018
Couldn't agree more, the greediest group of people in the world socialists are.

>>742099540
Let's get a source on those numbers, pl0x

I feel like the Chaos in Charlottesville is the plot twist no one wanted. The House of Gold sits behind the Victorian Desk and now we see how unpopular the Executive gets.

>>742098504
Government regulated healthcare kills, please tell me how this is hard to comprehend and how single-payer healthcare would work in anything other than a small town or household?

>>742096999
Huey P Long is still the king of filibusters.

>>742099386
>Yes, Seattle seems absolutely devastated
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/?utm_term=.bbe1d7eb05b4

>>742099590
It could, but not well in America and especially not on a federal level. We offer free healthcare to our troops, 8% of our country, and that's absolute shit. I can't imagine how bad it'd be if we tried and forced it with the entire country.

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>>742096468
With Jews, you lose.

>>742099386
That's because nobody paid the 90% rate. The actual percentage of their income the 1% paid in 1945 was about 45%, which only a little higher than today.

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>>742099613
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

>>742099705
The very article you posted says that unemployment hasn't gone down, and if anything it has gone up since the min wage was increased

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/06/27/seattles-higher-minimum-wage-is-actually-working-just-fine/

>>742099292
>Voted AGAINST military border patrols to battle drugs and terrorism
The drug war has been proven a thousand times over to be a massive money sink and it does basically nothing to combat crime or terrorism. Organized crime became a huge thing in the early 20th century BECAUSE of prohibition. Who the fuck would buy weed from some shady motherfucker vaguely connected with a cartel when you can pick it up from a licensed dispensary? The war on drugs has only made organized crime stronger

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>>742097967
>biggest Wall Street shill
Second-biggest, you mean.

>>742099709
That's the one thing I don't get about today's politics. When did it become an article of faith that the government works?

>>742099813
>which is only a little higher than today

Surely you understand the difference between the tax rate on paper and the effective corporate tax rate? On paper, our tax rate is 35%, but companies end up paying more like 10%, after tax loopholes

>>742099613
http://federal-budget.insidegov.com/l/120/2017-Estimate

>>742099813
However, Bernie has no problem with a 90% tax rate, and that's Bernie of today, not communist 70s Bernie.

>>742096468
Any time one single word comes out of this filthy jew's mouth, I want to punch him.

His supporters are purely moochers who are drooling at the thought of all the free money he was going to pull out of his ass.

Nothing is free. You will be paying for your "free" college for the rest of your life in taxes if not in student loans. Same for health care.

>>742099880
However, hours were cut so they probably didn't see a change at all except in cost of living, so they got fucked.

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>>742096468
Fuck that commie shitstain. He quit. He deserves to die a fool's death.

I supported him right up until the point of him quitting..... now i Kek at the thought of his wife being investigated for fraud, and dream of the day he looses everything.

The left is the party of lies. They are the party of hate. They are truly the party of evil.

All supporters of the left have one thing in common.

They aren't even real people.

The left deserves suffering, loss, pain, and death.

That fucking commie cunt that was run over this past weekend deserved far worse, than what she got.

>>742099587
well, you would think it should be that simple. and I really have no clue why employers offering a living wage would ruin the economy, unless all employers have been shafting their employees for so long they don't know how to function without fucking someone over. it's either the customer, or the employee that will get fucked. never the job creator. if the job creator is fucked, the government is happy to bail them out.

I blame corporate greed, off shore bank accounts and greedy people generally holding onto their money.

the economy requires people to spend for prices to go down, but for people to want to spend, they need money, and to get money they need to work, employers need employees which cost money, so they raise the price of their product to compensate, and the cycle continues.

>>742097988
If I were Debbie Wassername-Schithead, I'd be afraid of committing double-tap suicide, too.

>>742099915
Government doesn't work well, so why do we keep asking it to baby us with nationalized fucking everything?

>>742100012
>no comma after trump
Dumb bitches.

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>>742096468
get off of /b/ hannah

>>742099709
they might be able to cover the troops and vets if they stopped spending billions on shit they don't need.

>>742100071
>Government doesn't work well

Would you prefer privately-funded police and firemen? So that if you accidentally set your house on fire, you get footed with a bill for tens of thousands of dollars?

> free healthcare
> free college
> free money
Well just tax the big business and millionaire
Wait they left the country ? How can they do that ? Wait so they can use their money to leave the country ? We are broke and just got sold to Russia ?

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>>742100071
>>742099915

>>742100071
well, it's pretty clear, left up to their own devices, most people will not pay for things like roads, police, firemen, hospitals, etc without someone telling them they have to.

>>742100228
Why would I pay for hospitals I don't use them ?

>>742096468
ahh im pretty sure he is a gigantic mega asshole

>>742098124
Read the best-seller
Anything I Don't Understand Is Communism
by Fuckface von Clownstick and friends

>>742100160
>you get footed with a bill for tens of thousands of dollars?
>What is insurance
>How much do I pay in taxes already while never needing a fire department.

Police would probably be a tough one to privatize and probably shouldn't be.

>>742098425
>"demuhcracy"
dumbocracy
Fixed that for you.

>>742100224
i was looking for this picture

>>742099283
The surveillance state, the vast military industrial complex, the unfunded and unsustainable pyramid scheme known as entitlement programs (soc sec/medicare/medicaid/obamacare), all the moralizing and social engineering programs, all the stupid subsidies like paying huge farming collectives or ramshackle solar companies, the way the government can't stop fucking meddling with the post office, and on and on. Go back to enforcing regulations (and get rid of at least 99.99% of the insane number), keeping the peace, maintaining/building infrastructure, and a social safety net. Limit government, massively trim the bureaucracy, make it pay its own damn bills instead of foisting them on future generations, and get rid of the idea that "politician" is a career.

>>742100303
>spends his entire life trying to make life better for the poorest Americans to little or no recognition until later in life

>he is a gigantic mega asshole

>>742100301
exactly.

imagine how many hospitals there would be if this was how we handled that. and the average person wouldn't be able to cover the cost of a regular visit. there would unlikely be any hospitals, instead private physicians that work for a single (rich) family.

>>742096468
You pussies are just pissed because you are being exposed on twitter for the racist you are. Even Anonymous are taking over your Nazi websites. You are powerless without them. Show your face cowards. Name yourself cowards. Afraid you'll lose your job or get kicked out of your trailer court? Fucking /b/ is full of coward hiding behind anonymous post. You're days are numbered and there will be blood.

>>742100510
> tries
America isn't called America because some farmers tried

>>742100415
>>What is insurance
a privatized form of socialism.
>>How much do I pay in taxes already while never needing a fire department.
no where near the cost it actually takes to dispatch a fire crew, among the other services often required with a house fire.

>>742100521
> implying you should go to the doctor for the common cold
This is the main problem with society

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>>742096468
Stop calling it losing when he sold out you fucking coward.

True communism has yet to be tried /b/ro


-berniefag

>>742097967
I see nothing wrong with that. He can't not stand by and just see the worst presidential candidate actually win. He should have won but millions couldn't vote, no same day registration and independents were pushed to the side.

>>742100589
Are you saying that he is a huge asshole because he hasn't managed to get his entire pro-worker agenda implemented through congress?

>>742100668
> socialism is optional
Let me call Stalin

>>742096468
He was controlled opposition, so were Clinton and so is Trump.

>>742097184
>unites the working class
>a socialist

Subtle. In all seriousness, though, read up on Jim Webb. I bet you could appreciate his views. Even though I am not at all a fan of left-wing politics, I could see him being a good President. Also, he was a badass when he was in the Marines.

>>742100765
> pro-worker
Stalin was pro worker to that went well

>>742100685
I'm not sure how I implied that at all lol.

thanks for putting words in my mouth though, faggot.

I suppose you're probably still young and don't think about the "need" for regular cancer screenings.

>>742100866
So nobody should support policies that benefit US middleclass workers because Stalin also supported policies that benefited workers?

>>742100213
They would be fools to exclude themselves from the largest economy the world has ever seen. Be honest them leaving is a non issue. Im not for huge government but this argument gets thrown around all the time and its kind of silly.

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>>742098698
So you know much about Latin American politics, there, Sparky? Any idea why "CIA" is pronounced "la compañía"?

>>742100788
what's the difference between paying taxes to a government and paying premiums in insurance, when you don't use the service?

and do you literally think NOT paying your fireman insurance would be an option? I mean, sure you COULD, but what if you have a fire and cannot afford to have them come out? should have had insurance, right? either get insurance, or you get no service. or be rich, in which case none of this affects you.

>>742100213
Remember when the corporate tax rate was at 90% in the 1950's and all the corporations left?

Oh wait, that didn't happen and this is a BS argument

>>742100866
you know who else had a mother and breathed air?

HITLER

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>>742100893
> implying I go to the doctor
Lul I have 18 clauses in my health insurance policy so that they don't have to pay for anything basically , are you seriously trying to sell someone who has clauses written that his insurance doesn't have to pay for cancer treatment on free healthcare
Lul

>>742100224
Funny how socialist idiots always bring up the same few examples for why we should blindly turn all our money over the to the government. Because nobody except the silly anarchists argues that government has no role, pretty much every agrees the core components of that role are enforcing regulations, building infrastructure, and doing basic research (plus keeping the peace, but as a socialist you would never say that).

And you never mention what you really want to happen, which is to have the government take over everything else, which seems to inevitably lead to disastrous messes.

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>>742098698
>military budget, and that's just 8% of our country

>>742101033
Are you implying people won't leave went forced to May more taxes , that totally would never happen

>>742101239
>why we should blindly turn all our money over the to the government

I never said that, Bernie never said that, you're making shit up

>>742101134
Remember when the corporate tax rate was 90%, and the rich actually turned over 90% of their income to the government?

Oh wait, that didn't happen and your argument is shit. Even when the highest marginal tax rate was 90%, the rich of the 1940s paid a percentage of their income in taxes that was comparable to what the rich pay today.

>>742101134
You are joking right the cooperate tax has never been 90% , you can literally Google max corporate tax in America and its no where close to 90%

>>742101239
>And you never mention what you really want to happen, which is to have the government take over everything else

Where was that said? I don't think the government should be in charge of the automobile industry for example. Some things are more efficient when government controlled, such as the police, fire dept, etc. Other things are not.

Stop projecting your idiotic beliefs onto others.

>>742101439
You want to vastly expand the scope of government, which has already been vastly increased beyond the government's capabilities.

Plus, Bernie lies. Who's going to pay for all the free stuff? We will. It's not free.

>>742101272
> this chart is accurate
Lul

>>742101531
Socialism literally means the government taking over the means of production.

>>742101554
>Who's going to pay for all the free stuff? We will. It's not free.

You act as if people who support free college tuition and single payer aren't aware of this. I'm perfectly fine paying more in taxes if it means I pay less for health insurance.

>>742099540
Social Security is insurance, a debit program, which means it pays out what it has already taken in. Don't mix that into the budget, which is an aggregate of unfunded (credit) programs.

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Patriotic

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>>742101239
>Funny how socialist idiots always bring up the same few examples for why we should blindly turn all our money over the to the government.
When in the fuck did anyone ever say we should turn over all our money to the government? Are you fucking dense?

>>742101554
who's going to pay for the wall?
we will. walls aren't free.

>>742101594
You're correct. That's why democratic socialism has 'democratic' in front of it, because it differs from socialism in that bureaucrats don't control everything

>>742098075
>the news

I hope this isn't bait. Don't let any alphabet television news channel spoon fed you their garbage. MSNBC, FOX, CNN, ABC, they've all been twisting the truth for decades longer than Trump has said "fake news". Look into events yourself. Compare the coverage of this lone autist in a Challenger to that of the Virginia baseball field shooter, countless terrorist ambushes, ANTIFA violence, BLM violence, etc. Is treating pedestrians like bowling pins terrible? Yes, and I hope if this guy is responsible he pays. That's not the issue at hand with me. The issue at hand is I know a smear campaign when I see one. The non-stop media assault against a guy who enacted a Syrian ceasefire and cut the CIA's program to funding Syrian "rebels" is a great start to a presidential term that isn't getting coverage over the Russia boogeyman story and all the other absolute nonsense (a typo and "two scoops", not doing the equivalent of "thoughts and prayers" on Facebook over Twitter quickly enough) overshadowing that and how low illegal immigration and unemployment have dropped and how much the Dow Jones Standard has skyrocketed. I couldn't stand the guy when he'd first been elected, but it was this witch hunt that made me start to reconsider. He's not without his flaws, but something smells like foul play here.

I was a HUGE Bernie supporter until he sold out to Hillary at the DNC convention. I even donated $200 from my meager paycheck to his campaign only for him to turn it over to the DNC like the crook he is. Oh well, sometimes things are too good to be true.

>>742101732
No refunds

>>742101239
>>why we should blindly turn all our money over the to the government

It's the law, dumbass, passed on your behalf by people you elected. If you don't like what they do, you can campaign, vote, write letters, protest, and make your voice heard.

The catch is, the rest of us get to do the same thing, and you might not get everything you want. Boo-hoo.

>>742101732
>donating to a politician
well, that was dumb.....

unless you put a few more zeros in front of that number, your money was probably used on the coke party that night.

>>742099827
another communist destroyed

>>742098296
Eh, I will agree that the political climate has pretty much blown up under Trump because he doesn't know when to shut up, he still seems like more of a symptom than a cause.

>>742101390
Im not impling i stated it clearly. Even if taxes doubled( which would be an extreme situation) they would be foolish to leave the american market also lets not forget that taxes are at record lows here in america.

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>>742101272
You're an idiot. That's not the federal budget.

Here's the real fucking budget for 2016, directly from the Congressional Budget Office's website.

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>>742099915
No sense in being defeatist, anon.
Why not sponsor legislation to put your government into an ISO-9000 program?

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>>742096468
There was only one correct choice. However America did not choose wisely.

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>>742096468
Lucky that old basterd is still alive...with all the prople who have been killing themselves with 2 shots to the back of the head...

Why don't we create a system like this guys
> free healthcare
> free education
> free food for the poor
> free housing
> big military
> everyone pays 50% of their paycheck to help pay for all of this
> big economy
> protection for the old and disabled

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>>742100012
MAGA!

pretty bummed hes a nice guy and isnt a killer (hilary) or a conservitive (trump, nothing personal againat him just my political veiws)

>>742101912
>more of a symptom than a cause.
I would say he's both.

it's a vicious cycle. he was put in place by the fucked up climate, but he's just adding fuel to the fire.

>>742101783
How did jump from my complaint about how large the government has become, to some bizarre diatribe on how taxes are the law? Two separate topics, moron. That list of things you say that's allowed? That's exactly what this is.

>>742101659
Neither is college or healthcare faggot grow up

>>742102017
the Cruz one doesn't look that bad.

I could go for a gothic style apocalypse. Witch hunts, stake burning, heads on pikes, blind oracles that tell you what to do.

>>742101691
So who exactly controls everything? You say it's not bureaucrats, but what's left? Not private enterprise, because then it wouldn't be socialism.

>>742100668
Insurance was invented by wealthy shipping magnates in Lloyd's Coffeehouse, London.

>>742101655
You're arguing for an increase in the government. Where does that money come from? Are you dense?

>>742102323
> implying the fallout universe wouldn't be cool as shit
Honestly we would win anyway you go about it ,

>>742102099
Eh 6/10...

Fuck off if you think that offends me.

Still believe that the left, is the side of evil.
Still believe that Bernie sold out
Still desire a world where the everyday life of anyone that is on the left is filled with failure, loss, suffering, ridicule, and continued thoughts of suicide/death.

I hold these beliefs mainly because the left stole the nominations, they lied, and they championed a murdering cunt that literally thought she was owed something, because her husband got a blowjob from a fatty under the oval office desk.

The left deserves nothing, and everything must be taken from them, by any means necessary.

Fuck with me fam.

>>742102339
The tax payers directly. Instead of giving some unelected government worker a bunch of money to allocate, let the people decide what money goes where.

>>742102418
if we lived in that alternate timeline, sure I'd be down.

but I want my plasma rifle before I agree to anything.

>>742101637
They're really not, though. Because the costs are immense, and we lose any hope of some kind of market competition driving them down. Government doesn't have any competition and can set prices, which means the only way to control costs is rationing, either denying service or basically having long waits.

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>>742102453
>being this divisive
sorry mommy overcooked your tendies today. is there anything we can do to make up for it?

>>742102460
That sounds like charity.

>>742102017
Huh the burn future reminds me of xcom 2 I wonder why

>>742101558
>>742101997
That's rather the point, now, isn't it? No pie chart is entirely accurate because they all present the lies, the damned lies, and the statistics in the way we want to see them.

One of the more disturbing questions is: How much of the Pentagon's budget does not appear in print?

>>742102530
>Because the costs are immense

I assume you are equally as concerned about the bloated military budget, which Trump just increased by $60 billion, which could have covered the cost of single payer healthcare?

>we lose any hope of some kind of market competition driving them down

There is no competition RIGHT NOW, because the drug companies can price gouge the shit out of their consumers

They don't get to set the prices, they get to negotiate with the drug companies to get a price that's reasonable to both the consumer and the company

>>742102099
Trump hates traps you moron (they're gay)

>>742102593
But on a much larger scale and with the entire US population feeling the benefit instead of a select group

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>end the divide and conquer, unite to stop the Federal Reserve and hold the government accountable for spending

OR

>over 9000 autistic plans that aren't a surefire fix

>>742102460
Are you retarded , what happens when the public decides it want all money to go to stopping illegal immigration then what happens to the old people on social security

>>742102593
that would be an objectively better system than the one we currently have, if everyone were decent enough to pay it forward when they could.

>>742102017
Damn, the Cruzian future looks fun. With those trappings, there have to be vampires and hot goth chicks around every corner.

>>742102681
>what happens when the public decides it want all money to go to stopping illegal immigration

>calls ME retarded

>>742102701
that's what I'm saying. we could be crawling through hell right now hunting diablo.

>>742102170
I can agree with that. I won't deny he isn't adding fuel to the fire with a bunch of the shit he says, but I will add that the media isn't helping when they do stupid shit like the two scoops narrative or have CNN firing employees because they admitted they're making shit up. I'm worried that's just going to normalize Trump even further since people will stop giving a shit about the news coming out.

>>742096468
I kind of liked him compared to Trump and Hillary. But that does not say much. I doubt he would have had much done.

>>742102683
The amount of money going to charity has been dropping as the tax burden increases. Plus there's a growing sentiment that "the government should handle it" or "there should be a law" instead of people handling things themselves, or helping each other.

>>742102643
Single payer only works on the premise we aren't a society who goes to the doctor for a simple cold and doesn't get antibiotics for everything

>>742102678
Don't see how that could work.

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>>742096468

fuck bernie, hes a socialist scum and his policies would deepen our debt at the same if not higher rate than it already is

>>742102661
> implying Hillary hasn't changed her opinion on gays from hating them to liking them when election cycles came around
Lul

>>742102643
> thinks single payer healthcare can be covered with only 60 billion

>>742102833
Do you understand how Medicare works? Think Medicare, but instead of for seniors, for all US citizens

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>>742102661
>they're gay
So's the Resident Dump. You *do* know he was Roy Cohn's protégé, right? Where do you think he got his embouchure?

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>>742102792
couldn't even hold his own vs two dumb loud niggresses. expect to lead the free world.

>>742102735
You are regarded society can't decide on a single fucking thing

>>742102779
LOL the media has been a joke for years.

this is literally all they do now... pop pieces... repetition... slant bullshit... feigned outrage... focusing on insignificant shit in general. then a REAL story comes along that would expose corruption out of the water and it gets tossed in the "in other news" pile, or is deemed classified information, and anyone who releases it would be a treasonous traitor.

>>742102947
What does this even mean, tbh?

>>742098690
This. He made it very clear from the beginning that he would endorse Hillary if she beat him. If this was surprising to you then you weren't listening.

>>742102994
Society can't decide on things as simply as you think ,

>>742103025
>Bernouts
>Living in reality

>>742102793
that may be the feeling over the past couple of years, but I think people are going to wake up and start trying to be more active in where their money goes.

but, who knows, we could be heading for an idiocracy future if people continue to say "I don't care someone else deal with it"

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>>742103025
well that and he'd end up getting "mugged" like seth rich if he didn't

>>742102985
Yep. To me they're the biggest problem.

>>742102926
He's a fucking ideologue.

>>742102643
I was careful about my words, because I 100% agree that there's no competition right now.

Here's an interesting thought-experiment. What would happen if, instead of giving everyone a Silver tier plan or whatever, we gave everyone $5,000 for medical expenses, and they get to keep the money left over at the end of the year. (Catastrophic insurance is separate, this is routine medical care.) What happens?

All of a sudden, people would start questioning their doctors,asking about tests, asking whether there's a lab that does the blood work cheaper than the hospital, and so on. We'd end up with both a more informed public who are more involved in their health care decisions, and we'd also gain efficiencies as people switched, argued cuts, and so forth.

That's not a real solution, it's just a thought experiment. But introducing something similar in the healthcare system. Right now, we have a system where doctors are encouraged to spam tests because it gets them more money, favor their cronies, and all "competition" is negotiations between practices and huge healthcare plans, or the government just arbitrarily deciding to pay less. It fails on every level.

>>742096468
>inb4 commie blah blah blah

>not trump
>not hillary

i'd do anything to have him in office

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>>742102779
>stupid shit like the two scoops narrative
For people who regularly engender offspring with their own next of kin, perhaps the "two scoops narrative" is "stupid". But to the rest of the world this behavior points out a creature who is so horribly vulgar, inconsiderate, and childish that he would push a head of state out of his way to make it to the front or would refuse to accompany nineteen other heads of state on a short walk because only he deserves a golf cart.
You have an overgrown baby in your White House. MAGA!

>>742102909
Private practices at the whim of a government that just decides to give them less money

>>742103328
> tax the corporations they cant leave the county or anything
lul

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>>742103339

>>742103483
Yeah, it's like the other poster never heard of Apple
> no taxes, because we funnel money thru Ireland!

>>742103339
> be me
> be brit bog
> get arrested for putting butter on my toast
tis good day

>>742103149
It's so complex, tho. And they do their damnedest to hide the money, and layer on so many rules that it's literally impossible to figure out what everything does. We need to trim things back, to just see what's going on.

>>742096468
I was in for the federal legalization of weed but then i realized i didnt want to end up like those european countries that lost their damn free speech

http://time.com/money/4805379/bernie-sanders-2016-income/

lolllllll

Hey remember that time Bernie released his tax returns? ME NEITHER. "Crooked" Hillary was the only candidate that did.

>>742103807
What made you think Bernie was going to take away free speech?

"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength" - Conservatives

>>742096468
Pretty happy. I've got no respect for a man who lets BLM and Hillary Clinton fuck him in the ass.

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>>742097328
>actualy posting MAGA momiji

>>742096468
Having read a lot about the behind the scenes workings of the election, I can accept now that Bernie never would have won the Democrat Primary. I still think he's a better man than Trump, and a better Democrat than Hillary. But like Corbyn in the UK, he's an idealist rather than a pragmatist.He'd have been largely ineffectual as a President, but obviously better than Trump.

>>742104299
He was an ally of BLM though.

>>742096468
Regretful, I think i’m Gonna stop coming to this website

>>742103339
So how about the lying about the Russian collusion part you glossed over? Because that's kind of the worse of the two when media companies admit they're lying to you for views.

>>742104210
Democrats wanted to keep slavery tho
So your whole point got btfo by facts

>>742104507
The Russia collusion is lying for views, along with diversion from actual scandals that have yet to be addressed. Ones with a hell of a lot more proof.

Kek he would have died within the first year from stress dealing with NK and the race bait propaganda politics. And btw, he didn't even loose, because he wasn't even in the actual race.

>>742104830
He lost the nomination. And if you think that's not part of the race, talk to the independent voters who aren't eligible to vote for the candidates the two major parties select.

>>742102562
Try again fuckstain. I don't have a damn thing to do with my parents.

Still loathe the left, still think that Bernie is a cuck, still keking at the shit show that was run down with a muscle car.

>>742104210
"Pigs in a blanket fry then like bacon"
"All white people are responsible for everyone experiencing systemic racism"
"Die whites die" - anyone offended by conservatives and or differing opinions

>>742104967
He lost the primaries.
It's like not making qualifying lap times for running in the olympics.

>>742105044
The edginess level here is off the fucking charts. You think you could tone it down a little? There are kids on this board.

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>>742105044
>muscle car

You just reminded me of the real crime here, is how far Dodge have let the mighty fallen. Can you believe that bulky gray turd is the descendant of this magnificent machine?

>>742105082
This guy gets it

>>742105082
Liberal beliefs aren't nearly that edgy. Conservatives are the edgy ones.

>>742105231
Because I give a shit about kids for some reason. . .


Kek.

>>742105243
Right?

>>742105332
But democrats are pro slavery talk about edgy

>>742105332
Did I say liberal?
But yes, actually the liberal that everyone thinks they are today is that extreme, because you can go watch them saying that shit on YouTube.
Actual liberalism isn't that extreme.
But you all have lost sight of what actual words mean now days.

>>742104390
Allies don't hijack your speech to rant about stupid bullshit.

>>742105082
- anyone offended by white people and or a control system

[spoiler]this thread is a trainwreck[/spoiler]

>>742105471
u wot m8

>>742105598
What do you expect, it's technically a thread against the intentions of Pepe and KEK.

>>742105227
No, it isn't.

>>742099975
So let's say taxes do go up to pay for free education and health care, what about the benefits of allowing more people to attend college? not everyone is a free loader, there are a lot of hard working people that could benefit from Bernie's policies. You just can't get past the fact that he is a jew,, right?

>>742105852
K butthurt Bernie bro.
Go shoot some congressmen and get your ass kissed by the media about it.

>>742096468
>Still pretty bummed about Bernie losing.
>How are you feeling /b/?

I feel that you should go away, and don't come back until you're bummed about the democrats losing.

>>742105877
What about the people who already have college educations , obviously you have to pay them back or it's not fair

>>742105748
>What do you expect, it's technically a thread against the intentions of Pepe and KEK
I cringed so hard my balls just started squirming around in their sack. You have to be 18 to post here.

>>742106019
Is this a democrat admitting that Bernie is a commie?

>>742106166
Someone doesn't know about meme magic.
Kind of makes you the newfag

>>742105959
I'm sorry, I didn't know that your personal opinion overrides the way the election has been ran since the foundation of the country.

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>>742106276
I'm familiar, retard, it's what I'm cringing at. Do you know what you look like? You don't look cool, if cool is what you were going for.

>>742106312
I'm sorry. I didn't know that loosing the primaries along with 4 other people was loosing the presidency.

It's loosing s chance to run for president.

>>742096468
I'm feeling pissed at all of the dumbass 18-year olds who voted for Trump out of spite because Hillary got the nomination. How fucking stupid can you be? I hope you're happy, fucktards.

>>742106541
THIS TBH
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>>742096468
Pretty decent
My life doesn't revolve around politics or government support, so I don't give a flying fuck who's in office

>>742106497
>posts Pepe
I was making a metaphor.
Don't deny we're all here to troll and "look cool" as your 18 year old lingo ass would put it.
It's not like we're depending on pictures and about me's of ourselves to make people determine whether they want to respond to our rants we post.
You don't look anymore cool telling someone they don't look cool.
You like the cool police or something m8?

>>742106050
who says everything is fair, everyone with a college education is doing pretty well in this economy unless they majored in art history, and if they did, that's their problem for picking a degree that isn't marketable.

>>742106541
>18 year olds
Who think trump started race wars and the NK conflict.
You're the brainwashed one.

>>742106873
Jesus Christ little dude just stop posting. Do your homework or play with your fidget spinner or something.

>>742106975
So your saying smart people do better at life than nonssmart people ?

>>742097285
Johnson would of been better than all three of those candidates.
He has been a much more successful politician than Bernie.

>>742107020
If you knew how off your assumption of me was, you'd stop posting. But I'll let you be delusional.
Dem strawmans bruh

>>742103702
A swing and a miss.

>>742107270
Well my assumptions are based on how you act, so if they're off base, that's a reflection on you, not me. Evaluate your behavior and your life.

>>742098504
European style of government only works when 80-90% of the population is homogeneous.

Just wait till you guys are 50% white.
Your extreme socialism will collapse under its own weight.