>>741781205 From what I know, Saitama has unknown limits.He hasn't faced something yet that actually can be a challenge Though, in some comics for example, superman could be seen lifting with womderwoman something that's it's weight is infinite (yes, I said infinite) And superman design was made to beat EVERYTHING.It was designed as the dream to become the strongest of all, an unstoppable force that evil cannot stop, yadda yadda (but nowadays the most known superman is a guy who flies and can stop airplanes, woo)
>>741781806 I'm entitled to my opinion, but that's not what we're talking about here. I'm talking about the objective fact that comics are for children that refuse to grow up. Real books are too complicated because of the lack of pictures. Studies have shown comic book readers have low IQ and high unemployment.
>>741781941 What are you implying by that? THat one punch faggot is the new kid on the block, wasn't even arond when the original superman universe was being written. You faggots can't even think of the most obvious shit
>>741781918 Studies also show that people who hate fun and people who have fun are more likely to suck huge cock and kill themselves. The scientific consensus is that they're unloved and people hardly notice them, if not actively avoid them. Sorry mate, that's just a fact.
>>741782347 I've seen him do it tho, the snake road is in space. That planet with the fat blue guy on it is in space. And he traveled a lot in space to conquer other planets at the really early part of the lore. Goku can survive in space, but he needs to charge up a lot.
>>741782571 I just know what science tells me, and it has been shown that people that read comics are far more likely to have low IQ and higher unemployment. i.e manchildren. I bet you live in your moms basement.
>>741782335 I love fun mate, I just pitty people who have fun in a way that ends up costing me my taxes. i.e. manchildren. There are many ways to have fun that won't make your parents disappointed in you.
>>741780850 Goku punches in Battle of Gods brought shockwaves troughout the entire macrocosm which is 2 times our universe.. Any more punches and they would have destryed everything. Now, Goku can power up beyond his punching strenght, but he has also gotten a lot stronger since BotG. Goku's current baseform is enough for even multiple Primes
>>741781511 >look how hard my dude can punch other dudes in skin tight leggings. >implying all comics are cheesy superhero comics There's a wide variety of genres in the comic format.
Sandman is an epic depicting the late end of the life of a god. Very little fighting or generic action comic tropes.
The Filth is a short series that questions the legitimacy of your ideas of the world.The protagonist is an old man obsessed only with his cat and hardcore porn. He's pushed into a world where comic book heroes aren't real, but can be pulled into reality(most of the time ending in their gory deaths) through some strange technology. There are giant sperm invented by what can only be described as a porn producing "genius", made with the intent of murdering random men and women in order to create the new golden age of porn. And that's just the tip, baby.
There's a beautiful comic adaptation of Philip K. Dick's 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?' done by Boom Studios. It's a faithful word-for-word adaptation. The only alteration is the addition of visual art to accompany the story. I highly recommend this one to you bunch of chicken heads.
And thenthere's Tank Girl. It's hard to really describe this one without missing out on everything that makes it such a great clusterfuck of philosophy, visual art and strange humor. I can't justly explain this one, but it's a classic series for a reason. My favorite issue is probably the one where Tank Girl actually meets her creators(author and sketcher of the series) at the fountain of youth. There's some deep dialogue in that series that unfortunately is often over looked because of all the fan service and irreverent humor.
These are all 10/10 reads that aren't about which super hero can punch the hardest.
>pic related is good too if you're into Lovecraft or psych-horror
>>741780850 I would want Goku to win, but being honest, it just can't happen. Superman's power isn't really super strength or speed or heat vision or anything else like that. His real power is warping reality in his favor. That's why he can do things like lift infinitely heavy objects and turn back time.
Goku can infinitely grow his power, but if he fights someone with the power to make it all mean nothing, he doesn't stand a chance. Just saying
>>741782992 Destroying universe was big in DBZ, but in Super it isn't. As stated before, Goku should be able to do it, which means that Vegeta can too. The Gods of destruction and their angels can and 2 at least two Pride Troopers.
Goku can probablly beat 3 or more Primes in one battle.
>>741782980 Dude, the length you will go to in order to defend your gay picture books for kids is ridiculous. I've seen comics and cartoons, it's silly entertainment for children. I bet the comics you read are very intelligent about how two very muscular men punch each other, while some degenerate women spill their cleavage. I'm sure.
>>741783288 Never claimed anything about autism there mate. Even though I wouldn't doubt they would find a correlation between comic reading and autism if they looked. Honestly, the subject is not worth investigating, as autism needs all the study it can get without involving sad hobbies. The studies that have been done only found a link between comics and lower intelligence and unemployment. Really you should educate yourself, but as someone that like picture books I doubt it'll help much. Studies rarely have pictures of muscular men and impossibly proportioned women to jack off to in between the words.
>>741783578 I've seen the Judge Dredd movie, please don't try to convince me of the mature content. My point stands, if you want to learn something, read a book. Your brain might actually have to work a little, in stead of just focusing on muscles and titties.
>>741783345 If you can be sure without reading them, than I can be sure your opinion means very little. Live in a bubble and turn away from new experience if it comforts you. It's a brief trip to the womb to the tomb. Might as well enjoy it in whatever way you can, m8. But just in case no one's mentioned it to you before; there's something worthwhile to take away from literally everything for those that yearn to shape and develop themselves. Enjoy life, bitter stranger.
>>741783385 You mean Superboy-Prime after he absorved the energies of one of the Guardians of the Universe, that sacrificed his life to try to destroy Superboy-Prime, but we're talking about Prime One Million. And he still destoryed the universes one at a time, so it's not a bigger feat than Goku's ability in BotG.
>>741783646 Speedforce still requires time to go forward, no matter how small time it is, while IT requires zero time, so it will always get you to your destination quicker.
>>741783663 Are you claiming that people can't read both comics and books? Or are you implying that everything people do is to educate themselves? Because either way, you'd be wrong. Brave New World and the Hitchhiker's Guide series are up there on my list of favorites along with The Invisibles and Sandman.
If comics are only muscles and titties to you, you're reading the wrong comics. People have brought comics that aren't about fighting and fucking to your attention and you shoot them down, ignoring that they're not the same, and going on to complain that all comics are bad because they're all the same. You're a fool, a troll, or, most likely, both.
>>741784381 i've only seen the anime but so far he hasn't actually defeated anything strong. his powers COULD be infinite but so far he hasn't fought anyone that could even beat krillin, let alone Goku or superman.
>>741780850 superman deny phisic of our universe if hi would go into the sun and apsorb this much power/ anergy watever his body would become a neutron star cos his cels would be completely filled with neutron , goku use ki power that his body generate and its is stored in aparel universe-that is in the same place as our (for expamle hit from dbs can store time in this universe by using ki power and goku overpowerd his universe buble) in ''normal'' universe superman cant win to goku cos his body cant store enaugh energy ( you can count this by counting how many kilojules- electrons and neutrons can be stored in one square meter aka superman body)
goku would win. superman is poisoned by ameritard politically correct culture. goku, coming from the superior jap culture, doesn't give a fuck about that nonsense and kills him by bribing a deity with naked pics of bulma into making him powerful enough to win.
Goku is clearly a superior and skilled hand to hand fighter, but most people overlook the fact that, saiyans; and most characters in DBZ, can only fight in full power for only several minutes. Most encounters are, actually, very shorts in real time, no matter how many chapters they show.
Superman, in the other hand, can continue fighting in full power for several hours, more if he is under a yellow sun.
Goku is not near as impervious of damage as Superman. He needs to use his Ki to protect himself, Superman has that as a innate ability.
Then, in a battle scenario, this is a battle of attrition. Even if Goku can hurt Super, he has a great healing factor, Goku can only use that while it has sufficient energy. Eventually, Goku will waste his reserves, literally, punching a steel wall, and then, Superman will drop the hammer. People overlook too, Superman, is a clever character. He know how to handle a battle with superior beings. He is not a obsessive fighter looking for a challenge. He probably will use some psychological warfare to force Goku to waste energies.
>>741785123 nah, definitely not. he had to use every thing he had to produce a beam that could destroy the plant. while this was a feat Vegeta could already do in his first apearance. meanwhile Krillin is still weak but by the time of Dragonball super he IS stronger than Vegeta at his first appearance. i'll grant you there is no concrete proof as there is no current known powerlevel of krillin but seeing he was able to hold his own pretty well vs some of the strongest warriors of the universes. while vegeta was just a pleb when he arrived on earth.
>>741785486 >debates over. Not by a long shot. See >>741785269 Death's going to be the last thing alive eventually. Even if she does dies in some way, she'll just be reincarnated as a new aspect of herself.
>>741785361 It looks like they don't have much stamina, because they fight opponents who are stronger thn them. You can only go so far after taking hits from someone stronger than you. And there's no need to have a battle last for hours when you have superior power and speed.
Goku has superior power and speed, this is all he needs. Supermans genjutsu psychological warfare won't help, because Goku has been subjected to it once before and so it won't work again.
No, Goku will pummel Suprman dead within several minutes. Like *Punch* *Punch* "whoops he died"
>>741785621 No. They live in a bubble because they can't reach far enough to even consider that something they're unaware of might be more true than something they are aware of. Their arrogance keeps them in a contained space, far away from all the unexplored world in order to maintain the illusion that they are better than others, without actually having to prove it.
>>741785765 I agree with this post.If they're both fighting in prime conditions, Goku might take the lead early on, but Superman's eventually gonna take advantage of Goku's slowing momentum.
I like the idea >>741785305 brought up though. Goku is really good friends with the god of the multiverse. Giving time to prepare/a rematch, there's no telling what lengths Goku would go to to win. And even if Superman does have reality warping powers, I'm pretty sure a true omni-god would have more potent control over the same things.
>>741785361 while i'm not completely dissagreeing with you i will say a few things. >Goku will waste his reserves, literally, punching a steel wall a steel wall really isn't anything to Goku, the only person that fought in dragonball that would even notice a steel wall would be mr. satan.
>most characters in DBZ, can only fight in full power for only several minutes. Most encounters are, actually, very shorts in real time,
i agree the vast majority of battles are alot faster than they seem because of how fast they move the audience basicly sees everything slowed down, but for example now in the battle royal going on the battles are fairly lenghty and they do do make a point that they have to conserve power.
>Goku is not near as impervious of damage as Superman. He needs to use his Ki to protect himself,
this is completely true, proven by how he got taken out by a mere laser in the botg movie. so if superman were to like punch him if he was asleep or something he would do alot of damage.
that said. it'll always be hard to know which is stronger especially because there are so so many versions of superman, there can technicly only be 1 that's canon. whith Goku that's alot easier you simply take the one in dragonball super. i'll be completely honest that i don't know that much about superman, i know that yes superman 1 million or whatever he's called would win, but is he actually a thing ? other versions of superman would maybe go equal with goku and others would get slaughtered. it's hard to say as there are dozens and dozens of superman and only 1 goku.
>>741785661 Goku don't have superior speed or power. Every source shows Superman is superior than Goku on these characteristics. Goku have godlike powers because he handle a his energy in a godlike level. If he is not focused, he has the speed, stamina and resistance of any regular human, even his wife as beated the shit out of him thanks Goku be distracted in some idiotic way, most for the sake of comic relief.
>>741785135 I feel like Superman's power should be limited by what he eats from the sun like a solar panel. Yet his strength is endless. Doesn't make sense he produces more power then the star that fuels him
>>741786364 >Every source shows Superman is superior than Goku i mean.. some are ? but there are so many bersion for every one that could beat goku you could find 3 that wouldn't beat him. the only thing you can really do is look at the current cannon version of superman but i'll be honest i'm nto sure who that is, i'm mostly a marvel reader so i'm not sure if it's DC reborth or the new 52. that's now canon. so i'm really not sure how strong superman actually is
>>741786364 Dude his punch can send shockwaves throughout the entire universe and the realms of the Kai's, heavens and hell. Superman has not done anything close to that.
So that's power and power can be converted into speed, especially for flying, because flying uses only energy. So Goku wins on that part too.
Goku gets hurt when he's not focussed, but he's always focused in battle and we are creating a battle scenario, we're not making a Naruto hidden ninja battle. He only got shot in Res of F, because he thought that the battle was already over.
>>741787240 now that's just silly. GT was never canon to even begin with so saying "wait a few years and he will retcon it too" implies a precedent which there is not. and even IF there was why not say that about anything ? Saitama or superman or anything created "eh i don't believe these facts because the creator might change them 20 years from now"
>>741787865 There is no evidence for his "Suprior" resistance. He can withstand the shockwave of 50 shocknovea, but the radiation would have incinerated him. Well, Goku's current form surpasses 50 supernovae by far. He will never go below universe level anymore, but he will fight in his highest form while restricting his power. I guess that this is what confuses you the most, but it has been shown that he doesn't have to fight at full strenght in his storngest form, like when he fought Killin. So, no, yes, we might never see an established feat again, but DB logic implies that obtained levels never vanish, they form the base for what's to come
>>741787865 problem is how do you actually know either of them has anything that's superior ? both of them are so powerful you can't simply compare achievements. either of them could in theorie lift planets now. so when it comes to strenght atleast do we wait untill both manga/anime or comic/movie depict them lifting planets stacked on top of eachother and see who lifts more ?
sure they both do amazing things in both their types of media but as you point out with the punches one day almost destroying universes and other times not doing anything. everything is way too inconsistent, that goes goes for feats of superman as well. so the only way to truly know who is superior would be to wait until they do a colab (which will most likelly never happen" and even then the writers can still do whatever they want
>>741782671 You know believing in science requires faith in it right? Meaning you're just as bad as some religiousfag. You assume that peer review is infallible and that articles and journals won't put out info that supports their agenda or the agenda of whoever is forking over cash to them to put it on their website
>>741784381 No that wouldn't work. One Punch man doesn't have powers. He just had a hellish 3 year training program. 100 push ups, 100 sit ups, 100 squats, and ran a 10K every day with no breaks. She would only absorb his ability to become strong. She would need 3 years of his training to get there.
If you consider DBS as canon then Goku is far superior, just remember his fight with Beerus when they almost destroyed the universe with shock waves coming out from their punches, and goku wasn't even in his blue form.
>>741789720 >he can't even survive on vacuum I'm gonna assume you meant in and mention that he totally can. He fights Cell in space at one point and it doesn't slow him down any. He can also generate fire in a vacuum. Just a weird note.
>>741789720 You would think that a punch capable of shaking the entire macrocosmos (universe, heaven, hell, kai place, etc) would be a stornger feat than 50 supernovae.
Adn yes, attack equals durability quite a bit, because our body adapts to the force we exibit.
>Where is the evidence >Search yourself
You know, answers like this oblidge me to not take you serious.
Nitwit, he restricted his power when he fought Krillin as a SSJ Blue. He restricted his power against everybody, unless you want to imply that any of the universe 10 fighters are on par with SSj Blue Goku.
>>741790094 Well, Goku can shake the universe and superman can't. There aren't any Superman feats that surpasses shaking the universe with mere punches, even if we include that Beerus was responsible for halve of it, then the feat would still be halve universal, but we also know that Goku's max power isn't in his punches, his ki attacks are many times as powerfull. So multiply halve the universe by the difference between Goku's punches and his ki attacks and you have a character that's a multiverse buster in the BotG fight.
>>741791218 problem is that it's not very consistent. i too personally think Goku is stronger but bringing up the universe destroying punches raises the question why they don't do that anymore now that everyone's gotten stronger ? you could argue that maybe it's a control thing somehow but if you say that than the other side can simply argue the same that Superman could punch as hard aswel but he too controls it.
also "There aren't any Superman feats that surpasses shaking the universe with mere punches" actually superboy prime i think , once punched through the universe so that's something that might be comparable. but that again is a problem with canon and the fact that there are dozens of different versions of superman. I think Goku is stronger than canon superman but there's no way to prove it definively, the same goes for superman.
>>741791824 Superboy Prime punched through the barrier which seperates the universes, but Lex Luthor helped with his magic.
I have heard that before, but main logic would be that they don't pull universe destroying punched because they want to keep the place they live in. And it has been said many times that Goku doesn't go all out from the start, but Vegeta rarely starts a battle in blue either.
Superman has his infinite mass punch, but it has been shown to not be infinite, so the other side still has nothing over Goku. Supermans durability maxed out at 1 galaxy, both when he fought Mageddon and Imperiex, the power of 1 galaxy, which is more than 50 supernovae, would have killed him.
>>741780850 >superman What is Solomon Grundy for $500, Alex.
>single-handedly solo'd the justice league twice >physical strength has surpassed the hulk's multiple times >on some reincarnations has possesses psionic capabilities beyond darkseid >capable of cunning beyond batman and intellect beyond luthor
>>741792514 >main logic would be that they don't pull universe destroying punched because they want to keep the place they live in.
that logic is indeed sound, the problem then becomes what's the point of getting stronger ? If there is a limit that they can't go over because it would destroy the universe. this would lead me to believe that it's not a about "going all out" or not otherwise they'd just have to hold back more and more and all training after botg would be absolutely pointless
>>741793493 >It's still the one in the original post, isn't it? You know, the one that started this thread we're in?
yes... ? the picture exists , your point ? just because there's a picture in a thread doesn't suddenly mean you can use non canon vs canon. i mean i can write a few pages of fanfic and make Goku more OP too
>>741792957 They have found a way to get stronger without damaging the universe, i think that that's the base of ki-control. Like when transforming into SSJ3 used to shake the planet, but that effect stopped after doing it a couple of times.
I assume that this is also why Goku trains in his baseform and not when he's transformed.
>>741793017 Goku could beat Superman in his baseform. I have not seen Superman do anything on that level without some sort of help or magic.
>>741793493 ""Welcome to my universe." His statement does not prove he created a universe in any way, shape, or form. Atom's universe was destroyed, not only does Superman Prime One Million admit he couldn't stop the destruction of his universe, but being the polite man Clark was raised to be by the Kent family, he was simply welcoming/greeting Atom to this other reality he just incidentally came into. For example, just because I greeted by friend and said "Welcome to my home" doesn't mean I actually built it. However, there is one defining fact that most people overlook. DC One Million all takes place in the 853rd century. Ring a bell? The 853rd century is Post-Crisis Earth, the main continuity from 1986-2011. It's the same universe after Crisis on Infinite Earths (before CoIE was the Golden, Silver, and Bronze Ages) and before Flashpoint (after Flashpoint is New 52), the only difference is that this takes place in the future. We know for a fact that Superman Prime One Million did not create the universe which was the main continuity from 1986-2011 known as Post-Crisis, further reinforcing the fact that he was just welcoming/greeting Atom."
>>741793980 It started the damn thread, are we supposed to not observe the one that started the damn thread? Why are we even here at all? "There aren't ANY Superman feats that surpasses shaking the universe with mere punches." Again, one is literally shown at the top of the thread. I don't know how to explain this any better.
>>741794673 >It started the damn thread, are we supposed to not observe the one that started the damn thread
basically, yeah. that superman has no real feats to prove anything, he only was a "what if" for a specific future and is (probably) no longer able to exist because of the reboot. don't blame me, i didn't erase him.
>>741794773 In the manga, but the anime for DBS is canon, the manga isn't. The manga is differs a lot from the anime, the characters are actually weaker in the manga and SSBlue is an energy drain in the manga, while its almost the opposit in the anime
>>741795456 Were are you getting that the anime is cannon and the manga isn't? The creator of DB is working on the manga with his assistant, it's being created at a slower pace that's why the manga and anime doesn't match up. SSB is an energy drain, that's why they aren't using it in the tournament of power because they are saving their energy.
SSJ3 goku punched a hole through king kais planet easily, and that planet has 10x bigger gravity force, so its lot more dense than earth, nuclear bombs had made a 100m craters on the earth, for a punch to go through earth it should be at least 100x stronger than a nuclear bomb, considering that the planet is tiny but super dense, lets say it takes the same 100x nuclear bomb power in a punch to go through, now imagine what that super dragon fist of goku would do to someone
>>741795924 >>741795964 He gives directions to Toyotaro, but i think that he's more invloved with the anime. The anime follows the movies a lot closer than the manga too and the manga has stated that Vegeta couldn't lift Magenta, who weighed something like 90 tons.
Only the transformation required a lot of energy, that's why they weren't able to do it two times in row without losing power, but they seem to have fixed that for this tournament. They have already gone SSBlue and back to normal without fighting strong opponents (the three wolves are worthless this time around) in the current tournament.
>>741795640 Butterly effect man, that was a huge event it can have enormous impact on the future, there's no guarantee at all that things will end up like that again. not sure why you think this is important to me, i'm simply stating fact that it's not canon anymore. don't get so upset with me, again i'm not the one who retconned it. and i did say "probably" it's unlikely but it's possible, but you must've missed that. either way you can't guarantee it will become canon again so. i'm not sure why you're so obsessed with using material that even the creators wanted to erase because of what a fuckfest it all became.
>>741796530 No, that's not the point. Superman: Reborn merged both continuities. The creators wanted to erase DC One Million? There's a new one, seeing how Grant Morrison revisited it in All-Star Superman, and I believe he even hinted at All-Star Superman during the New 52. Doesn't sound to me like anyone is trying to "erase" it.
And again, IT'S WHAT WAS USED IN THE OP. It's basically in the subject of the thread that we're having this discussion in. Don't blame me, I didn't start the thread using a shot from a story you're trying to ignore.
>>741796462 From what I gathered so far Toriyama gives direction to Toei animation and they fill in the rest. He has stated that the manga will be caught up with the anime soon. Super had too much filler to be considered canon.
>>741797080 I think that filler arcs do not determine if a show is canon or not. Especially when they don't contribute to the story And it could be that the manga and anime have just as much involvement of Toriyama, but the anime, games and movies are closer to eachother than the anime. And they're still weaker in the manga.
>>741797054 well... of course i'm ignoring it it's RETCONNED. just because it was used in the OP doesn't magically unretcon it. have you noticed the vast majority of people here not using that version of superman in their arguments ? it's because they understand how retcon works and thus use a superman that actually is canon.
actually now that i look at it and scroll up you're the only person still defending superman since about halfway the thread.
>>741797863 Being used in the OP doesn't "un-retcon" it, the fact that the Superman: Reborn arc merged continuities does, assuming it was even retconned to begin with - see my previous connection via All-Star Superman. Also, the fact the the OP used Superman Prime seems to imply that's what the thread was supposed to actually be about. I can't help it if I'm the only one who seems to notice this.
>>741797783 The manga has always been canon in DB, just because the anime is ahead of the manga does not make it canon. How are they weaker in the manga? Only person who I can see is weaker in the anime than in the manga would be future Trunks since they made him a gay ass healer instead of having some kind of rage boost.
>>741798443 I guess I should just ignore the post that actually started the damn thread, since you say I should, and since "it's what everyone else is doing." But that's never been a good enough reason for me on much of anything, so.
>>741798548 The manga is usually canon, because it comes out first. This has always been the case in Japan, but DBS doesn't work this way.
And like i said, Vegeta was unable to lift Magetta in the manga, while the Zifighters have been shown to do more damage.
Future was still stronger than he was in Z, because he was on par with SSJ2 Goku, but lost to SSJ3 Goku, which is a huge improvement considering that SSJ2 goju in Super is a lot stornger than SSJ1 and SSJ2 in DBZ. And Trunks was able to create a spirit sword, as i call it, so that's neat.
>>741798931 well, i gave it a shot. it facts don't work i don't know what else to say. i wouldn't keep using non canon in arguments if you ever talk to RL people about comics though, it'll save you alot of embarrassment. have a good evening anon, or afternoon depending where you are
>>741799343 It's a little after six here, so evening. You have a good one as well. I'd say it's been a good debate, but you never fully explained why it's not canon, aside from vehemently repeating that it's not. I actually explained why I do consider it canon, multiple reasons even. But it's cool, I'm not trying to hold you hostage here or anything. /b/ tends to do that all by itself. Heh heh heh...
>>741799015 Did Vegeta lift Magetta in the anime? DB is never consistent with the strength, speed, and power of the character for both the manga and anime so that isn't a strong argument. Future Trunks in the manga is stronger in Super than what he was in Z but he just didn't get the rage boost like how he did in the anime against Zamasu. Besides that Goku, Vegeta and the rest aren't really weaker than their anime counterparts.
>>741796462 Here's how it works. Toriyama releases a script/guideline the can be vagueish but essentially he tells them what he wants and then they fill in the blanks. A good example is how the black arc ended... they're very similar and the stuff that is same is obviously toriyamas influence but make no mistake they're both canon in their own rights they just follow the same story in different ways if that makes sense
>>741800320 He never attempted to, but the inconsistencies you speak are easily explained away by saying that it depends if Goku was using full strenght, he can still go blue and fight Krillin without killing him. I The manga characters are weaker than their anime counterparts. Here's a good video about it
Most inconsistencies are in DB (kid Goku being faster than teen Goku, etc), but not in DBZ and Super.
>>741800920 Perhaps, but the manga is still very different from the other media (games, movies, etc) than the anime.
I swear you comic book kids are just as bad as bible thumpers. You get so easily threatened by any sort of challenge to your universe that you will bring up page after page of meaningless words to "prove" that your superman is the strongest of all. The reality is, is that anything made from imagination has no limits therefore Goku><Superman forever and always. Hence why this debate will rage on until the end of time.
>>741802165 You're not wrong, but what you're saying applies to literally anything and everything, not just comics or the Bible. Say something halfway-bad about someone's favorite sports team, their favorite movie, their primary political party or candidate (see the numerous threads related to the POTUS), hell even their favorite reality show. Humans tend to be... Well, human, do they not?
>>741801405 Right, so since anime Vegeta never picked up Magetta that throws out that he is not stronger than his manga counterpart. Krillin holding off a blast from SSB Goku was complete bullshit. Those guys in your video were using some filler episodes so those can be thrown out too. The manga is more canon than the anime and video games should never be considered canon. Being stronger doesn't make something canon either.
>>741800920 At this point Toriyama doesn't give a fuck. He only made Battle of Gods because he was pissed off about DB Evolution. BoG was successful so they made DBS out of it and it's making them money so Toriyama doesn't care if the anime is ahead and has huge differences from the manga.
>>741781205 people gotta remember that the premise of one punch man is that he always wins, every time, with one punch. but at the same time that makes him not even mention-able in conversations like this.
>>741803767 It will take a while to find since it was in an interview but he said something about not being happy about DB Evolution and so he went to work and made BoG as a true DB movie. It ended up being supported by the government of Japan who helped funded it and it was viewed in theaters.
>>741805178 i completely get that he's a gag character and kind of makes fun of some of the typical anime things, like main character having bif hair, often colored etc. looking bad ass. but the last "boss" of the second season took more than 1 punch though. that was disappointing to me they already kinda messed it up
>>741803767 Yeah no, Xenoverse is not canon. Toriyama helped with the story and character designs but the people making the game had free reign with the game. If anything it could be considered canon in an alternate universe or noncanon. You still haven't gave instances on the anime being stronger than the manga.
>>741801405 Well the reason for that is obviously because the manga is so behind. The game was released in 2016 as well as the black arc a year ago while in the manga that shit just ended lmao so it makes perfect sense. DBS is special and not the usual, manga to anime adaption
>>741803767 You need to know the definition of the term "canon'. Xenoverse in no way shape or form is canon. Just because toriyama puts a little work into a media adaption does not make it canon. By your logic ssj4 is canon because toriyama designed it. Xenoverse has NO place in the story nor timeline its just an adaption for solely the games. It doesn't fit whatsoever into the story and was never meant to. Its just a game man
>>741807657 nah, while i do think Goku would win, when it comes to space battle 1. a spacesuit wouldn't survive the punches or hear vision of superman. and 2. goku is not exactly the person you think of when tactics and preparation come to mind (excluding good old training if he sees the threat coming) so a spacesuit it out. that said, if they ever fought goku would just be in it to test his power and would challenge superman instead of being a villain and knowing superman and his morals he'd just fight him on fair terms so it wouldn't even be a problem.
>>741809542 he did. but i'm not sure you can actually use that as proof. in the namek sage frieza did almost win by stalling Goku untill the planet exploded because he can survive without an atmosphere. now you could argue, "but he didn't have god mode then maybe that changes stuff" except once again during the Resurrection of frieza movie he won by blowing up the planet and winning over vegeta and goku due to the fact that he can survive without air and they can't. it was a fairly important part. (of course even if they did survive they would still have asked for the time rewind to save earth and the inhabitants but you get the point) i really like dragonball but they have a tendency to be inconsistent at times
TLDR : your examples are correct but other examples also prove the other point so i wouldn't just accept it as truth
It's a shame Marvel didn't buy Shazam from Fawcett He's had to lick Superman's nutsack for the last 30 years ever since With the power of Zeus, endurance of Atlas and speed of Mercury he should be Superman's better
>>741813017 no it doesn't. blowing up the planet and taking away atmosphere got frieza the win in Resurrection of frieza before the time rewind. i assume you didn't watch the money so i'm going to add both goku and vegeta mastered SS blue at that point
>>741784909 Actually its superman prime 1 million. We were both wrong. >>741785269 The marquis of death killed death. Several times. He went on a multiversal rampage, mudering everyone, even entities like eternity. Look up his story arc. It's pretty cool.
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