Anyone who thinks Goku would stand a chance has never picked

>>741780850
And good for them, comics are literal garbage for degenerate manchildren.

>>741780985
It's not our fault if you can't appreciate modern art

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>>741780850
TFW one punch could take out faggotman

Goku will easily kill any superhero

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>>741780850
He may be super, but he's not perfect

>>741781051
>modern art
>look how hard my dude can punch other dudes in skin tight leggings.
Sure thing fag

>>741780985
>Degenerate manchildren
>Manga is, in short, comics with Asian culture
Are you dense, or straight solid?

>>741780850
goku is infinitely strong. it just takes a couple more episodes

>>741781545
>I named my degeneracy something chink gibberish to make it seem like it's not just cartoons like in the newspaper section for children.
you sure showed me

>>741780850
>thinks superman 1 million is all powerful
>he gets his power from a reality warping imp
Something like that its been a while since I saw the explanation of him

>the marquis of death however...

>>741781051
>>741781545
>>741781634
Stop samefagging OP, it's getting really sad.

>>741781205
he;s not even from the same universe as them, how would they even meet faggot? Lrn2read comicbooks.

>>741781649
What makes you think your opinion means anything to anyone but you and a few others?

Sure, its your opinion and you're entitled to have it but don't ruin it for others just because you don't like what they like.

>>741780850
Bait. But in all honesty who cares. Do you or anyone you know really ACTUALLY care? Ur gay

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>>741780850
Nobody cares whos stonger

>>741781205
From what I know, Saitama has unknown limits.He hasn't faced something yet that actually can be a challenge
Though, in some comics for example, superman could be seen lifting with womderwoman something that's it's weight is infinite (yes, I said infinite)
And superman design was made to beat EVERYTHING.It was designed as the dream to become the strongest of all, an unstoppable force that evil cannot stop, yadda yadda (but nowadays the most known superman is a guy who flies and can stop airplanes, woo)

>>741781806
I'm entitled to my opinion, but that's not what we're talking about here. I'm talking about the objective fact that comics are for children that refuse to grow up. Real books are too complicated because of the lack of pictures. Studies have shown comic book readers have low IQ and high unemployment.

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>>741781802
>not even from the same universe
>thread about goku vs superman
This must be bait

>>741780850
It ends up being an even fight then superman wins because goku can't survive in outerspace.

>>741781941
What are you implying by that? THat one punch faggot is the new kid on the block, wasn't even arond when the original superman universe was being written. You faggots can't even think of the most obvious shit

>>741780850
the thing about goku is this:
>die
>train harder, become stronger
> win / if not - repeat

>>741781973
Where are you getting your facts? Goku lived in space for many years and was fine. Fuck outta here with that bait.

That's a funny way of spelling Doctor Manhattan, op.

>>741781747
LUL I legit can tell I'm the second one.The other two comments are not mine

>>741782044
didn't he die in the cell saga tho? So you're saying Cell>goku>superman and therefore Cell>superman. What serious person believes this.

>>741782082
Why are you defending yourself against that guy? Makes you seem all the more guilty IMHO.

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>>741780850

This man would slaughter Goku and Superman at the same time without breaking a sweat.

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>>741782196
Thats why I've never heard of him... LUL gtfo
Goku and Superman are on a different level compared to anybody atm.

>>741781918
Studies also show that people who hate fun and people who have fun are more likely to suck huge cock and kill themselves. The scientific consensus is that they're unloved and people hardly notice them, if not actively avoid them. Sorry mate, that's just a fact.

>>741782057
Fuck off you dumb ass.

Even in the current anime. He can't survive in a vacuum.

Goku can only hold his breath not survive in space.

Frieza blows up a planet and ends up winning because he can survive in space and Saiyns can not.

Then Whis turns back time.

FUCK OFF you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about faggot.

One Punch Man > Cell > Goku > Aizen > Superman

>>741782128
if you go like this you could also compare goku when he was a child to superman.

if you want to talk about goku vs. superman, you have to compare the two latest versions, and how they possibly could develope

>>741782335
That's not what your mom told me last night

>>741780850
What form of Superman is that? Looks fucking sick

>>741781649
Wow.
You have little to none knowledge about comics in general, if you think like that

>>741782347
I've seen him do it tho, the snake road is in space. That planet with the fat blue guy on it is in space. And he traveled a lot in space to conquer other planets at the really early part of the lore. Goku can survive in space, but he needs to charge up a lot.

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>>741782196
Soooo, final form Ichigo can beat Goku?

>>741782376
An average human can benchpress, say, 200lbs X 10 reps. Their power level is five. So that's 40 pounds at ten reps per point of power level

Superman can benchpress 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons for five days

Do the math

>>741782571
I just know what science tells me, and it has been shown that people that read comics are far more likely to have low IQ and higher unemployment. i.e manchildren. I bet you live in your moms basement.

>>741780850

could this guy beat hulk?

>>741782673
Regular Superman beat Hulk AND Thor

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>>741780850
Hah. Prove it.

>>741782335
I love fun mate, I just pitty people who have fun in a way that ends up costing me my taxes. i.e. manchildren. There are many ways to have fun that won't make your parents disappointed in you.

>>741782376
Even as a baby, superman could beat current goku tho...

>>741781385
True. According to Toriyama, he has a very small penis. Then again, Perfect Cell doesn't even have a penis. If he's so perfect, how come he can't even satisfy a human woman?

>>741780850
Goku punches in Battle of Gods brought shockwaves troughout the entire macrocosm which is 2 times our universe..
Any more punches and they would have destryed everything.
Now, Goku can power up beyond his punching strenght, but he has also gotten a lot stronger since BotG.
Goku's current baseform is enough for even multiple Primes

>>741782832
Only because the Sperman comics are bullshit. Compared to more recent ones, Goku would win.

>>741782874
don't need a large peepee to get the creepee if u know what i mean

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>>741781511
>look how hard my dude can punch other dudes in skin tight leggings.
>implying all comics are cheesy superhero comics
There's a wide variety of genres in the comic format.

Sandman is an epic depicting the late end of the life of a god. Very little fighting or generic action comic tropes.

The Filth is a short series that questions the legitimacy of your ideas of the world.The protagonist is an old man obsessed only with his cat and hardcore porn. He's pushed into a world where comic book heroes aren't real, but can be pulled into reality(most of the time ending in their gory deaths) through some strange technology. There are giant sperm invented by what can only be described as a porn producing "genius", made with the intent of murdering random men and women in order to create the new golden age of porn. And that's just the tip, baby.

There's a beautiful comic adaptation of Philip K. Dick's 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?' done by Boom Studios. It's a faithful word-for-word adaptation. The only alteration is the addition of visual art to accompany the story. I highly recommend this one to you bunch of chicken heads.

And thenthere's Tank Girl. It's hard to really describe this one without missing out on everything that makes it such a great clusterfuck of philosophy, visual art and strange humor. I can't justly explain this one, but it's a classic series for a reason. My favorite issue is probably the one where Tank Girl actually meets her creators(author and sketcher of the series) at the fountain of youth. There's some deep dialogue in that series that unfortunately is often over looked because of all the fan service and irreverent humor.

These are all 10/10 reads that aren't about which super hero can punch the hardest.

>pic related is good too if you're into Lovecraft or psych-horror

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>>741782888
Now by multiple primes do you mean not even one prime?

Prime killed a being capable of destroying universes at will by ripping his shit from his other shit.

Goku moves faster than speed of light, even without turning Super Saiyan. Basically, it'd be the Trunks/Perfect Cell fight all over again.

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It takes a prime to kill another prime
>RIP Superman

>>741783125
Yeah but, where does his trailer go?

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>>741783094
Superman moved 10 lightyears in less than 30 seconds

He's also beat Wally West, who is faster than instant transmission

>>741780850
I would want Goku to win, but being honest, it just can't happen. Superman's power isn't really super strength or speed or heat vision or anything else like that. His real power is warping reality in his favor. That's why he can do things like lift infinitely heavy objects and turn back time.

Goku can infinitely grow his power, but if he fights someone with the power to make it all mean nothing, he doesn't stand a chance. Just saying

>>741782671
>Talks about research and shit
>Opens Google
>Not only there's no research about people reading comics are autistic, but some of them saying the contrary
Doubt intensifies

>>741782992
Destroying universe was big in DBZ, but in Super it isn't.
As stated before, Goku should be able to do it, which means that Vegeta can too. The Gods of destruction and their angels can and 2 at least two Pride Troopers.

Goku can probablly beat 3 or more Primes in one battle.

>>741782980
Dude, the length you will go to in order to defend your gay picture books for kids is ridiculous. I've seen comics and cartoons, it's silly entertainment for children. I bet the comics you read are very intelligent about how two very muscular men punch each other, while some degenerate women spill their cleavage. I'm sure.

>>741783328
>Destroying universe was big in DBZ, but in Super it isn't


>Prime literally destroyed infinite universes, down to 52

Yeah, you figure that one out

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>>741783233
You can't be faster than instant transmission, because it instant transmission has no time, it's instant, while Wally has speed.

>Wally faster than IT
pic related

>>741783288
Never claimed anything about autism there mate. Even though I wouldn't doubt they would find a correlation between comic reading and autism if they looked. Honestly, the subject is not worth investigating, as autism needs all the study it can get without involving sad hobbies. The studies that have been done only found a link between comics and lower intelligence and unemployment. Really you should educate yourself, but as someone that like picture books I doubt it'll help much. Studies rarely have pictures of muscular men and impossibly proportioned women to jack off to in between the words.

i like dragon ball but it seems like goku is fucked on this one

>>741783345
You want big boy comics?
Read these
>Judge Dredd
>Constantine
>Spawn
>Doctor Strange

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>>741783479
You don't seem to understand.

When the question is "Can The Flash...?"

The answer is Speed Force, nigga

>>741783578
I've seen the Judge Dredd movie, please don't try to convince me of the mature content. My point stands, if you want to learn something, read a book. Your brain might actually have to work a little, in stead of just focusing on muscles and titties.

>>741783646
oh my god you are such a fucking dweeb. I bet your parents are real proud of your encyclopedic knowledge of funny picture books. How can you live like this?

>>741783772
>I was proved wrong, better resort to insults instead of just conceding

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>>741783345
If you can be sure without reading them, than I can be sure your opinion means very little. Live in a bubble and turn away from new experience if it comforts you. It's a brief trip to the womb to the tomb. Might as well enjoy it in whatever way you can, m8. But just in case no one's mentioned it to you before; there's something worthwhile to take away from literally everything for those that yearn to shape and develop themselves. Enjoy life, bitter stranger.

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>>741783646
>muh speedforce muthafucka

>>741782662
>average human
>200x10
kek

>>741783385
You mean Superboy-Prime after he absorved the energies of one of the Guardians of the Universe, that sacrificed his life to try to destroy Superboy-Prime, but we're talking about Prime One Million.
And he still destoryed the universes one at a time, so it's not a bigger feat than Goku's ability in BotG.

>>741783646
Speedforce still requires time to go forward, no matter how small time it is, while IT requires zero time, so it will always get you to your destination quicker.

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>>741782079
This

>>741783663
Well k, your point stands.
But don't expect me to believe on that.Makes no sense, no proof found of your statements and you have to insult me or anyone one way or another

>>741783997
No I mean after COIE when Prime culled infinite universes down to 52

Apparently not, West beat IT

>>741784008
>>741782079
see
>>741782992


Manhattan was a ripoff of Captain Atom. Monarch was 52 Captain Atoms combined and Superman killed the fuck out of him

>>741780850
Batman beats Superbitch pretty easy

>>741784008
Actually it was pretty obvious by just looking at the sign in middle of his chest
And I didn't notice
Fuck my existence

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>>741781205

>>741784165
Just because batman has a file for every single hero with their weaknesses

>>741783663
Are you claiming that people can't read both comics and books? Or are you implying that everything people do is to educate themselves? Because either way, you'd be wrong. Brave New World and the Hitchhiker's Guide series are up there on my list of favorites along with The Invisibles and Sandman.

If comics are only muscles and titties to you, you're reading the wrong comics. People have brought comics that aren't about fighting and fucking to your attention and you shoot them down, ignoring that they're not the same, and going on to complain that all comics are bad because they're all the same. You're a fool, a troll, or, most likely, both.

>>741780850
>virgin detected

>>741784106
Wait wasn't that because of Brainiacs bomb?

Yeah, i read the jpg too late

>>741782790

>calls people manchildren
>is on 4chan /b/

the projection is strong in this one

>>741784161
You haven't read the watchmen have you? Manhattan is literally suppose to be the perfect being. He is basically a 5th dimensional being

>>741784465
How many worlds are on fucking DC already?
Probably infinite, but only counting those that matters on the comics?
Don't know if I'm explaining myself well

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>>741780850
>Implying Superman has any traction.
All his strength varies with writer to writer. Meaning he really has no power. His power is plot solving.

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>>741782874

>>741784625
But could he beat the Plutonian? He's also an all powerful 5th dimensional being, but with the added bonus of human malevolence.

>>741784705
Superman was designed basically to be the unstoppable force of good, and that means
>I can fuck everyone if I want whenever I want wherever I want

>>741784381
i've only seen the anime but so far he hasn't actually defeated anything strong. his powers COULD be infinite but so far he hasn't fought anyone that could even beat krillin, let alone Goku or superman.

>>741781689
>superman 1 million

Um, Actually that is Superman Prime not
Superman 1 million . If you are going to use things in an argument to make yourself sound smart maybe you should learn what that are called first

>>741784861
Yet we see him get his ass beat

>>741781689
yeah the marquis of death is definitely stronger than Goku and/or superman.

>>741784908
It was said before.
We cannot tell how powerful Saitama is yet because he still hasn't faced something that can be even a challenge

>>741780850
superman deny phisic of our universe
if hi would go into the sun and apsorb this much power/ anergy watever his body would become a neutron star cos his cels would be completely filled with neutron , goku use ki power that his body generate and its is stored in aparel universe-that is in the same place as our (for expamle hit from dbs can store time in this universe by using ki power and goku overpowerd his universe buble) in ''normal'' universe superman cant win to goku cos his body cant store enaugh energy ( you can count this by counting how many kilojules- electrons and neutrons can be stored in one square meter aka superman body)

>>741784908
>he hasn't fought anyone that could even beat krillin
Borors (the last boss of the anime) can defeat Krilin

>>741784992
That's plot retardation
Like in Batman VS Superman

>>741785054
yeah, just felt like commenting that on the picture as it implies Saitama is already proven to be stronger than them.

>>741784381
>sneak up
haha, no

>>741784995
>Doesn't know character
>Googles it
Motherfucker looks like Judge Death
Even the fucking art it's similar

>>741783646
both goku and superman can explode evry bit of air around him in proximity of 10 000 km, flash cant move in space

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>>741780985
>>741781051
>>741781511
>>741782980
>>741783345
>>741783578
>>741783663

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>>741784995
>implying Death couldn't take everyone mentioned itt in half a heartbeat

>>741784697
Used to be Infinite until Imperiex

goku would win. superman is poisoned by ameritard politically correct culture. goku, coming from the superior jap culture, doesn't give a fuck about that nonsense and kills him by bribing a deity with naked pics of bulma into making him powerful enough to win.

>>741781887
i was going to say this as well, saitama has shown no feats anywhere near superman yet, and tbh saitama hasnt shown anything near even goku yet

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All of you shut your fucking mouths, you're all retards.

>behold, debate

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Saitama

another of these treads, well, whatever.

Goku is clearly a superior and skilled hand to hand fighter, but most people overlook the fact that, saiyans; and most characters in DBZ, can only fight in full power for only several minutes. Most encounters are, actually, very shorts in real time, no matter how many chapters they show.

Superman, in the other hand, can continue fighting in full power for several hours, more if he is under a yellow sun.

Goku is not near as impervious of damage as Superman. He needs to use his Ki to protect himself, Superman has that as a innate ability.

Then, in a battle scenario, this is a battle of attrition. Even if Goku can hurt Super, he has a great healing factor, Goku can only use that while it has sufficient energy. Eventually, Goku will waste his reserves, literally, punching a steel wall, and then, Superman will drop the hammer. People overlook too, Superman, is a clever character. He know how to handle a battle with superior beings. He is not a obsessive fighter looking for a challenge. He probably will use some psychological warfare to force Goku to waste energies.

Superman has the upper hand in this one.

>>741785305
This is actually...kinda likely. From what we see in Super, Goku's not really the hero he seems to be in DBZ.

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>>741785310

Debates over.

>>741783479
well yea you can in DC world, flash went back in time after going so fast so i suppose thats faster than instant trasmission

>>741784751
Not sure

>>741785123
nah, definitely not. he had to use every thing he had to produce a beam that could destroy the plant. while this was a feat Vegeta could already do in his first apearance. meanwhile Krillin is still weak but by the time of Dragonball super he IS stronger than Vegeta at his first appearance. i'll grant you there is no concrete proof as there is no current known powerlevel of krillin but seeing he was able to hold his own pretty well vs some of the strongest warriors of the universes. while vegeta was just a pleb when he arrived on earth.

>>741784381
>superpower
So now a healthy well kept body is a superpower? No wonder /b/ is full of fat neckbeards

>>741783838
So, he lives in a bubble because he DOESN"T read comics?!

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Im sorry, is there an argument about the strongest beings in existance? smh I wasnt invited despite surviving black holes planet explosions and not even taking a scratch.

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>>741785310
TFW goku is bff with the god of all gods

>>741785486
>debates over.
Not by a long shot. See >>741785269
Death's going to be the last thing alive eventually. Even if she does dies in some way, she'll just be reincarnated as a new aspect of herself.

>>741785361
It looks like they don't have much stamina, because they fight opponents who are stronger thn them.
You can only go so far after taking hits from someone stronger than you.
And there's no need to have a battle last for hours when you have superior power and speed.

Goku has superior power and speed, this is all he needs.
Supermans genjutsu psychological warfare won't help, because Goku has been subjected to it once before and so it won't work again.

No, Goku will pummel Suprman dead within several minutes.
Like *Punch* *Punch* "whoops he died"

Light Yagami would defeat both easily, in about 40 seconds.

>>741780850
The Goku vs Superman debate is pointless. Superman was pretty much written to be an actual god, whereas Goku can only manipulate godly ki.

That being said:

>On a bright, sunny day and no interference, Superman wins because he's powered by the sun. That's the end of that.

>If Superman can't reach sunlight or doesn't have a source, he drains pretty quickly and Goku wins.

>Kryptonite nearby will either eventually kill Superman or will weaken him more than enough for Goku to kill him.

There ya have it.

>>741785720
But cell tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQe4H7dgvbU

>>741785621
No. They live in a bubble because they can't reach far enough to even consider that something they're unaware of might be more true than something they are aware of. Their arrogance keeps them in a contained space, far away from all the unexplored world in order to maintain the illusion that they are better than others, without actually having to prove it.

>>741785488
Scientifically speaking, no.

Superman is as bland as a character can get. Goku is only semi-bland. In this regard, he'll always triumph.

>ITT we all pretend like we're 13

>>741785720
Under that rule, Misogi Kumagawa can defeat all of these characters merely denying their very existences XD

>>741785765
There is a YouTube video about DC vs Goku and Vegeta and Goku takes superman to a planet that has 3 red suns using instant transmission, rendering Clark the mother of a new saiyan baby.

Superman is a virgin. Goku has 2 sons. Goku wins.

>>741785525
>Dragonball super
>super
opinion discarted, pedro

>>741785926
Goku is a beast who loves fighting more than his family.
That's the opposite of bland

>>741785765
I agree with this post.If they're both fighting in prime conditions, Goku might take the lead early on, but Superman's eventually gonna take advantage of Goku's slowing momentum.

I like the idea >>741785305 brought up though. Goku is really good friends with the god of the multiverse. Giving time to prepare/a rematch, there's no telling what lengths Goku would go to to win. And even if Superman does have reality warping powers, I'm pretty sure a true omni-god would have more potent control over the same things.

>>741785361
while i'm not completely dissagreeing with you i will say a few things.
>Goku will waste his reserves, literally, punching a steel wall
a steel wall really isn't anything to Goku, the only person that fought in dragonball that would even notice a steel wall would be mr. satan.

>most characters in DBZ, can only fight in full power for only several minutes. Most encounters are, actually, very shorts in real time,

i agree the vast majority of battles are alot faster than they seem because of how fast they move the audience basicly sees everything slowed down, but for example now in the battle royal going on the battles are fairly lenghty and they do do make a point that they have to conserve power.

>Goku is not near as impervious of damage as Superman. He needs to use his Ki to protect himself,

this is completely true, proven by how he got taken out by a mere laser in the botg movie. so if superman were to like punch him if he was asleep or something he would do alot of damage.


that said. it'll always be hard to know which is stronger especially because there are so so many versions of superman, there can technicly only be 1 that's canon. whith Goku that's alot easier you simply take the one in dragonball super. i'll be completely honest that i don't know that much about superman, i know that yes superman 1 million or whatever he's called would win, but is he actually a thing ? other versions of superman would maybe go equal with goku and others would get slaughtered. it's hard to say as there are dozens and dozens of superman and only 1 goku.

>>741785661
Goku don't have superior speed or power. Every source shows Superman is superior than Goku on these characteristics. Goku have godlike powers because he handle a his energy in a godlike level. If he is not focused, he has the speed, stamina and resistance of any regular human, even his wife as beated the shit out of him thanks Goku be distracted in some idiotic way, most for the sake of comic relief.

All these abilities are innate to Superman

>>741786148
Toriyama IS part of dragonball Super so it's canon. not liking that fact doesn't make it any less true. so my argument stands.

>>741786200
yea, superman only does good for goodness sake. pretty lame

>>741782662
haha average person does 200lbs benchpress? Have you ever been to a gym?

>>741786400
he was part of GT too

>>741785135
I feel like Superman's power should be limited by what he eats from the sun like a solar panel. Yet his strength is endless. Doesn't make sense he produces more power then the star that fuels him

>>741785943

i bet most in this thread are 13

>>741786701
Superman should just be Captain Planet without the gay ass summoning ritual.

>>741786364
>Every source shows Superman is superior than Goku
i mean.. some are ? but there are so many bersion for every one that could beat goku you could find 3 that wouldn't beat him. the only thing you can really do is look at the current cannon version of superman but i'll be honest i'm nto sure who that is, i'm mostly a marvel reader so i'm not sure if it's DC reborth or the new 52. that's now canon. so i'm really not sure how strong superman actually is

>>741786682
The difference is that he only did a little bit of art for GT but is writing and and leading the art team for Super himself.

Gt is an ascended fan-fic while Super is canon.

>>741786364
Dude his punch can send shockwaves throughout the entire universe and the realms of the Kai's, heavens and hell.
Superman has not done anything close to that.

So that's power and power can be converted into speed, especially for flying, because flying uses only energy.
So Goku wins on that part too.

Goku gets hurt when he's not focussed, but he's always focused in battle and we are creating a battle scenario, we're not making a Naruto hidden ninja battle. He only got shot in Res of F, because he thought that the battle was already over.

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>>741786682
Toriyama Himself saying that GT is but a side story, more like a what if than canon.

>>741786866
for now, wait a few years and he will retcon it too
>>741787049

>>741781918
Hard as it may be to comprehend, some of us actually enjoy both comics AND traditional books. You know, like how some of us can also walk and breathe at the same time? You should try it.

>>741781205
>TFW one punch could take ou
He's the good guy, the heroes always win, so might as well just 1-punch them in the story and cut out the middle grunting drama.

With that in mind, he can't 1-punch another good guy, much less the top good guy, gooder even than him. Because the gooder guy always wins, and that's OP's.

>>741787240
now that's just silly. GT was never canon to even begin with so saying "wait a few years and he will retcon it too" implies a precedent which there is not. and even IF there was why not say that about anything ? Saitama or superman or anything created "eh i don't believe these facts because the creator might change them 20 years from now"

>>741786701
2 powerfull
Nerf pls
This is what happens when a superhero it's a literal ideal

>>741786200
He could make friends with Garland from FF1. Garland enjoys nothing except fighting

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>>741786948
Bro, one day Goku delivers a punch than send shockways across the multiverse, next day, he fights fused with Vegeta and they barely make a city tremble. What's your point?

I'm not near to tell Goku is weak. He's currently op strong, but Superman have superior resistance and stamina. If both fights, full power, for the very beginning, Superman has superior chances to win

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I want hop back

I thought I read or heard Supes only gains his super powers from Earth? Like, it sounds reasonable. I imagine Cryptonians only have powers by being exposed to certain atmospheres

>>741786127
Superman has a son now too, bro. Check out any issue from the past year or two.

>>741781918
>objective fact
>states an opinion
>thinks media that's drawn is all for children


Get your head out your ass /b/ro

>>741787865
There is no evidence for his "Suprior" resistance.
He can withstand the shockwave of 50 shocknovea, but the radiation would have incinerated him.
Well, Goku's current form surpasses 50 supernovae by far.
He will never go below universe level anymore, but he will fight in his highest form while restricting his power.
I guess that this is what confuses you the most, but it has been shown that he doesn't have to fight at full strenght in his storngest form, like when he fought Killin.
So, no, yes, we might never see an established feat again, but DB logic implies that obtained levels never vanish, they form the base for what's to come

>>741787865
problem is how do you actually know either of them has anything that's superior ? both of them are so powerful you can't simply compare achievements. either of them could in theorie lift planets now. so when it comes to strenght atleast do we wait untill both manga/anime or comic/movie depict them lifting planets stacked on top of eachother and see who lifts more ?

sure they both do amazing things in both their types of media but as you point out with the punches one day almost destroying universes and other times not doing anything. everything is way too inconsistent, that goes goes for feats of superman as well. so the only way to truly know who is superior would be to wait until they do a colab (which will most likelly never happen" and even then the writers can still do whatever they want

>>741782671
You know believing in science requires faith in it right? Meaning you're just as bad as some religiousfag. You assume that peer review is infallible and that articles and journals won't put out info that supports their agenda or the agenda of whoever is forking over cash to them to put it on their website

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All you idiots not even capable of realizing that this dude can facefuck both Superman and Goku against their will at the same time.

>>741788631
hell, even fucking Konohamaru could beat both those fucking pansies

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>>741788631
Get on my level faggot.

>>741787865
And that barely making the city tremble thing happens in DC comics all the time, so its not an valid argument.

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>>741787967
Why the fuck is vegetas hair so short now

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>>741780985
Not true at all. Have you read any fluffy comics?

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>>741788631
hahaha. well done, man. well done.

>>741788872
because akira toriyama is being a lazy cunt by not drawing anything anymore

>>741788631
>>741788850
>>741788741
Samefagging.

Still wrong tho. They barely touched the level of early dbz towards the end of naruto and every one just got stronger. Being able to blow up planets is unheard of in naruto

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>>741782329
Yeah true.
>>741788800
Dubs n trips!

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>>741789048
faggot took the bait HAHAHA

>>741784381
No that wouldn't work. One Punch man doesn't have powers. He just had a hellish 3 year training program. 100 push ups, 100 sit ups, 100 squats, and ran a 10K every day with no breaks. She would only absorb his ability to become strong. She would need 3 years of his training to get there.

/lawyered

>>741785269
Second this. Death is always eventual.

>>741781887
You're missing the point of Saitama. He's a gag character in a gag story. He just wins, always, no matter what.

>>741788554
There is a lot of evidence, period. If you don't know it, is not my fault.

Where's your evidence of Goku surpassing 50 supernovae? He can't even survive on vacuum

Restricting his power? Please, don't use that faux argument of "ki/power control". That is lame.

>>741782874
That tail tho...

If you consider DBS as canon then Goku is far superior, just remember his fight with Beerus when they almost destroyed the universe with shock waves coming out from their punches, and goku wasn't even in his blue form.

>>741789720
i mean, have you ever seen a dragonbal/z/gt/super episode ? restricting power is a huge thing there. it's basically how every single fight ever has worked.

i don't really know where he got the 50 supernova thing either though. that said the feats that both of them usually aren't related enough for them to be used to say that 1 is stronger than the other

>>741789720
>he can't even survive on vacuum
I'm gonna assume you meant in and mention that he totally can. He fights Cell in space at one point and it doesn't slow him down any. He can also generate fire in a vacuum. Just a weird note.

Guys, how many memes did DBZ give us? How many came from superman? DB wins. Over 9000 times, and this isn't even his final form. These are singles, these are doubles, and so on.

>>741789720
You would think that a punch capable of shaking the entire macrocosmos (universe, heaven, hell, kai place, etc) would be a stornger feat than 50 supernovae.

Adn yes, attack equals durability quite a bit, because our body adapts to the force we exibit.

>Where is the evidence
>Search yourself

You know, answers like this oblidge me to not take you serious.

Nitwit, he restricted his power when he fought Krillin as a SSJ Blue.
He restricted his power against everybody, unless you want to imply that any of the universe 10 fighters are on par with SSj Blue Goku.

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Pfff, are any of you kids even trying?

>>741790094
Well, Goku can shake the universe and superman can't. There aren't any Superman feats that surpasses shaking the universe with mere punches, even if we include that Beerus was responsible for halve of it, then the feat would still be halve universal, but we also know that Goku's max power isn't in his punches, his ki attacks are many times as powerfull.
So multiply halve the universe by the difference between Goku's punches and his ki attacks and you have a character that's a multiverse buster in the BotG fight.

>>741782662
this better be a bait, at most 1% of adult males can bench press 1p8 for 5 reps

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>>741790943
You're the kid here fag

>Goku is for fags
>Superman isn't
Superman wins.

>>741789512
>claims their opinion is "bait" after realizing how dumb it is.

I can't wait for school to start

>>741791218
problem is that it's not very consistent. i too personally think Goku is stronger but bringing up the universe destroying punches raises the question why they don't do that anymore now that everyone's gotten stronger ? you could argue that maybe it's a control thing somehow but if you say that than the other side can simply argue the same that Superman could punch as hard aswel but he too controls it.

also "There aren't any Superman feats that surpasses shaking the universe with mere punches"
actually superboy prime i think , once punched through the universe so that's something that might be comparable. but that again is a problem with canon and the fact that there are dozens of different versions of superman. I think Goku is stronger than canon superman but there's no way to prove it definively, the same goes for superman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RtphGqbY8s
This solves everything.

Sailor Moon would defeat them both if fully powered up.

>>741792133
Not SSB Goku with kaioken

>>741791218
The Superman in the original freaking post.... For Zod's sake, do your damn homework.

>>741789717
give this man a beer

>>741791824
Superboy Prime punched through the barrier which seperates the universes, but Lex Luthor helped with his magic.

I have heard that before, but main logic would be that they don't pull universe destroying punched because they want to keep the place they live in.
And it has been said many times that Goku doesn't go all out from the start, but Vegeta rarely starts a battle in blue either.

Superman has his infinite mass punch, but it has been shown to not be infinite, so the other side still has nothing over Goku.
Supermans durability maxed out at 1 galaxy, both when he fought Mageddon and Imperiex, the power of 1 galaxy, which is more than 50 supernovae, would have killed him.

>>741792378
He isn't canon, , the character appears in a what was dubbed "a possible future". The Justice Legion came back in time to the canon DC Universe to recruit the Justice League

That possible future was erased with the previous DC Universe, so this version of Superman currently cannot exist under canon.

>>741792378
Prime One Million?
Think again, lol.
His power isn't universal.

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>>741780850
>superman
What is Solomon Grundy for $500, Alex.

>single-handedly solo'd the justice league twice
>physical strength has surpassed the hulk's multiple times
>on some reincarnations has possesses psionic capabilities beyond darkseid
>capable of cunning beyond batman and intellect beyond luthor

And that's just one nigger from Earth.

>>741792514
>main logic would be that they don't pull universe destroying punched because they want to keep the place they live in.

that logic is indeed sound, the problem then becomes what's the point of getting stronger ? If there is a limit that they can't go over because it would destroy the universe. this would lead me to believe that it's not a about "going all out" or not otherwise they'd just have to hold back more and more and all training after botg would be absolutely pointless

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>>741792514
>>741792343


One universe. How quaint.

Get up to a few million and maybe you can be their waterboy.

>>741792514
Goku's punches colliding with Beerus's punches almost destroyed the universe. Since Goku is even stronger in the anime now he should easily be able to beat Superman if he went all out.

>>741792980
Attack had the power to destroy several billions dimensions, not universes. You are such a try hard, plus nothing around him was affected.

>>741793240
Dimensions are entire fucking planes of reality, you shit corn kernel masticator.

>>741792637
He created a universe, that not "universal" enough for you? Trained under the source, got fifth-dimensional reality-warping powers, etc.

>>741792625
It's still the one in the original post, isn't it? You know, the one that started this thread we're in?

>>741793447
Sure it is kid, whatever it takes to make your fictional hero wins I guess.

>>741793593
My dog's anal glands need to be expressed. Can you come by for a ferocious mouth puckering?

>>741793721
Only if you spread the smegma on my dick on your tongue.

>>741793493
>It's still the one in the original post, isn't it? You know, the one that started this thread we're in?

yes... ? the picture exists , your point ? just because there's a picture in a thread doesn't suddenly mean you can use non canon vs canon. i mean i can write a few pages of fanfic and make Goku more OP too

>>741792957
They have found a way to get stronger without damaging the universe, i think that that's the base of ki-control.
Like when transforming into SSJ3 used to shake the planet, but that effect stopped after doing it a couple of times.

I assume that this is also why Goku trains in his baseform and not when he's transformed.

>>741793017
Goku could beat Superman in his baseform.
I have not seen Superman do anything on that level without some sort of help or magic.

>>741793493
""Welcome to my universe."
His statement does not prove he created a universe in any way, shape, or form. Atom's universe was destroyed, not only does Superman Prime One Million admit he couldn't stop the destruction of his universe, but being the polite man Clark was raised to be by the Kent family, he was simply welcoming/greeting Atom to this other reality he just incidentally came into. For example, just because I greeted by friend and said "Welcome to my home" doesn't mean I actually built it.
However, there is one defining fact that most people overlook. DC One Million all takes place in the 853rd century. Ring a bell? The 853rd century is Post-Crisis Earth, the main continuity from 1986-2011. It's the same universe after Crisis on Infinite Earths (before CoIE was the Golden, Silver, and Bronze Ages) and before Flashpoint (after Flashpoint is New 52), the only difference is that this takes place in the future. We know for a fact that Superman Prime One Million did not create the universe which was the main continuity from 1986-2011 known as Post-Crisis, further reinforcing the fact that he was just welcoming/greeting Atom."

superman
>made to always win
goku
>made to lose, then coming back and winning
in the end superman would win because goku wouldn't want to throw a kriptonite stone at supermans face

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Kid Goku would slaughter kid Superman

>>741785488
no its not, if you have to accelerate its not faster than instant, thats a fact

>>741793980
It started the damn thread, are we supposed to not observe the one that started the damn thread? Why are we even here at all?
"There aren't ANY Superman feats that surpasses shaking the universe with mere punches." Again, one is literally shown at the top of the thread. I don't know how to explain this any better.

>>741794051
Goku could just Hakai Superman and completely erase him from existence now.

>>741794673
>It started the damn thread, are we supposed to not observe the one that started the damn thread

basically, yeah. that superman has no real feats to prove anything, he only was a "what if" for a specific future and is (probably) no longer able to exist because of the reboot. don't blame me, i didn't erase him.

>>741794773
In the manga, but the anime for DBS is canon, the manga isn't.
The manga is differs a lot from the anime, the characters are actually weaker in the manga and SSBlue is an energy drain in the manga, while its almost the opposit in the anime

>>741795140
Why is it so important to you that this future can't exist? After Superman: Reborn merged Post-Crisis with New 52, I see no reason for it not to. Or did you miss that story?

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This guy stomps both of them along with everyone else

>>741795456
they're both canon actually in their own right since toriyama gave the guidelines to both

>>741795456
Were are you getting that the anime is cannon and the manga isn't? The creator of DB is working on the manga with his assistant, it's being created at a slower pace that's why the manga and anime doesn't match up. SSB is an energy drain, that's why they aren't using it in the tournament of power because they are saving their energy.

SSJ3 goku punched a hole through king kais planet easily, and that planet has 10x bigger gravity force, so its lot more dense than earth, nuclear bombs had made a 100m craters on the earth, for a punch to go through earth it should be at least 100x stronger than a nuclear bomb, considering that the planet is tiny but super dense, lets say it takes the same 100x nuclear bomb power in a punch to go through, now imagine what that super dragon fist of goku would do to someone

>>741795924
>>741795964
He gives directions to Toyotaro, but i think that he's more invloved with the anime.
The anime follows the movies a lot closer than the manga too and the manga has stated that Vegeta couldn't lift Magenta, who weighed something like 90 tons.

Only the transformation required a lot of energy, that's why they weren't able to do it two times in row without losing power, but they seem to have fixed that for this tournament.
They have already gone SSBlue and back to normal without fighting strong opponents (the three wolves are worthless this time around) in the current tournament.

>>741795640
Butterly effect man, that was a huge event it can have enormous impact on the future, there's no guarantee at all that things will end up like that again. not sure why you think this is important to me, i'm simply stating fact that it's not canon anymore. don't get so upset with me, again i'm not the one who retconned it. and i did say "probably" it's unlikely but it's possible, but you must've missed that. either way you can't guarantee it will become canon again so. i'm not sure why you're so obsessed with using material that even the creators wanted to erase because of what a fuckfest it all became.

>>741780850
isn't the arch enemy of super man a human? i mean, if lex luthor is giving a hard time against super man, i think goku would have a really easy fight

>>741796530
No, that's not the point. Superman: Reborn merged both continuities. The creators wanted to erase DC One Million? There's a new one, seeing how Grant Morrison revisited it in All-Star Superman, and I believe he even hinted at All-Star Superman during the New 52. Doesn't sound to me like anyone is trying to "erase" it.

And again, IT'S WHAT WAS USED IN THE OP. It's basically in the subject of the thread that we're having this discussion in. Don't blame me, I didn't start the thread using a shot from a story you're trying to ignore.

>>741796462
From what I gathered so far Toriyama gives direction to Toei animation and they fill in the rest. He has stated that the manga will be caught up with the anime soon. Super had too much filler to be considered canon.

>>741797080
I think that filler arcs do not determine if a show is canon or not.
Especially when they don't contribute to the story
And it could be that the manga and anime have just as much involvement of Toriyama, but the anime, games and movies are closer to eachother than the anime.
And they're still weaker in the manga.

http://www.animefillerlist.com/shows/dragon-ball-super

>>741780985
I second this post.

>>741797054
well... of course i'm ignoring it it's RETCONNED. just because it was used in the OP doesn't magically unretcon it. have you noticed the vast majority of people here not using that version of superman in their arguments ? it's because they understand how retcon works and thus use a superman that actually is canon.

actually now that i look at it and scroll up you're the only person still defending superman since about halfway the thread.

>>741797863
Being used in the OP doesn't "un-retcon" it, the fact that the Superman: Reborn arc merged continuities does, assuming it was even retconned to begin with - see my previous connection via All-Star Superman. Also, the fact the the OP used Superman Prime seems to imply that's what the thread was supposed to actually be about. I can't help it if I'm the only one who seems to notice this.

>>741798284
>I can't help it if I'm the only one who seems to notice this.

which is more likely ? everyone in the thread is stupid and even the OP didn't bother to correct people, OR you're wrong ?

>>741785661
>Like *Punch* *Punch* "whoops he died"

OK FOLKS thats all it took for me to roll my eyes and leave. Goku killing anyone.....ugh...morons.

>>741797783
The manga has always been canon in DB, just because the anime is ahead of the manga does not make it canon. How are they weaker in the manga? Only person who I can see is weaker in the anime than in the manga would be future Trunks since they made him a gay ass healer instead of having some kind of rage boost.

>>741798443
Let's see, the picture is still there, so... Hmm.

>>741798443
I guess I should just ignore the post that actually started the damn thread, since you say I should, and since "it's what everyone else is doing." But that's never been a good enough reason for me on much of anything, so.

>>741798658
yes... pictures don't tend to disappear while people are in a thread, you now know how 4chan works. congratz

>>741798932
Glad you noticed that as well, man.

>>741798548
The manga is usually canon, because it comes out first. This has always been the case in Japan, but DBS doesn't work this way.

And like i said, Vegeta was unable to lift Magetta in the manga, while the Zifighters have been shown to do more damage.

Future was still stronger than he was in Z, because he was on par with SSJ2 Goku, but lost to SSJ3 Goku, which is a huge improvement considering that SSJ2 goju in Super is a lot stornger than SSJ1 and SSJ2 in DBZ.
And Trunks was able to create a spirit sword, as i call it, so that's neat.

>>741798931
well, i gave it a shot. it facts don't work i don't know what else to say. i wouldn't keep using non canon in arguments if you ever talk to RL people about comics though, it'll save you alot of embarrassment. have a good evening anon, or afternoon depending where you are

>>741799343
It's a little after six here, so evening. You have a good one as well. I'd say it's been a good debate, but you never fully explained why it's not canon, aside from vehemently repeating that it's not. I actually explained why I do consider it canon, multiple reasons even. But it's cool, I'm not trying to hold you hostage here or anything. /b/ tends to do that all by itself. Heh heh heh...

>>741799015
Did Vegeta lift Magetta in the anime? DB is never consistent with the strength, speed, and power of the character for both the manga and anime so that isn't a strong argument. Future Trunks in the manga is stronger in Super than what he was in Z but he just didn't get the rage boost like how he did in the anime against Zamasu. Besides that Goku, Vegeta and the rest aren't really weaker than their anime counterparts.

>>741796462
Here's how it works. Toriyama releases a script/guideline the can be vagueish but essentially he tells them what he wants and then they fill in the blanks. A good example is how the black arc ended... they're very similar and the stuff that is same is obviously toriyamas influence but make no mistake they're both canon in their own rights they just follow the same story in different ways if that makes sense

>>741782874

>even entertaining the thought of even pretending to feel the NEED to satisfy a human woman
>perfect

projecting much?

>>741800320
He never attempted to, but the inconsistencies you speak are easily explained away by saying that it depends if Goku was using full strenght, he can still go blue and fight Krillin without killing him.
I
The manga characters are weaker than their anime counterparts.
Here's a good video about it

Most inconsistencies are in DB (kid Goku being faster than teen Goku, etc), but not in DBZ and Super.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31DC7quEm8M

>>741800920
Perhaps, but the manga is still very different from the other media (games, movies, etc) than the anime.

I swear you comic book kids are just as bad as bible thumpers. You get so easily threatened by any sort of challenge to your universe that you will bring up page after page of meaningless words to "prove" that your superman is the strongest of all. The reality is, is that anything made from imagination has no limits therefore Goku><Superman forever and always. Hence why this debate will rage on until the end of time.

>>741802165
You're not wrong, but what you're saying applies to literally anything and everything, not just comics or the Bible. Say something halfway-bad about someone's favorite sports team, their favorite movie, their primary political party or candidate (see the numerous threads related to the POTUS), hell even their favorite reality show. Humans tend to be... Well, human, do they not?

>>741801405
Right, so since anime Vegeta never picked up Magetta that throws out that he is not stronger than his manga counterpart. Krillin holding off a blast from SSB Goku was complete bullshit. Those guys in your video were using some filler episodes so those can be thrown out too. The manga is more canon than the anime and video games should never be considered canon. Being stronger doesn't make something canon either.

>>741800920
At this point Toriyama doesn't give a fuck. He only made Battle of Gods because he was pissed off about DB Evolution. BoG was successful so they made DBS out of it and it's making them money so Toriyama doesn't care if the anime is ahead and has huge differences from the manga.

>>741803315
No, video games like Xenoverse are canon, because those were made by Toriyama, only the older games dont count.
The old "games and anime aren't canon" thing doesn't fly in Super.

Yes, they used the Vegeta clone, but the video does not revolve around filler episodes, they also use examples from non filler episodes.

>>741803570
>He only made Battle of Gods because he was pissed off about DB Evolution

And which youtuber told you that or do you have a source?

>>741781205
people gotta remember that the premise of one punch man is that he always wins, every time, with one punch. but at the same time that makes him not even mention-able in conversations like this.

>>741803767
It will take a while to find since it was in an interview but he said something about not being happy about DB Evolution and so he went to work and made BoG as a true DB movie. It ended up being supported by the government of Japan who helped funded it and it was viewed in theaters.

>>741780985
A-fucking-greed

>>741803767
I'm the guy from before and found an interview about his thoughts on DB Evolution.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/05/20/akira-toriyama-directly-comments-on-dragon-ball-evolution/

>>741805178
i completely get that he's a gag character and kind of makes fun of some of the typical anime things, like main character having bif hair, often colored etc. looking bad ass. but the last "boss" of the second season took more than 1 punch though. that was disappointing to me they already kinda messed it up

>>741803767
Yeah no, Xenoverse is not canon. Toriyama helped with the story and character designs but the people making the game had free reign with the game. If anything it could be considered canon in an alternate universe or noncanon. You still haven't gave instances on the anime being stronger than the manga.

>>741782368
One Punch Man would lose to Sasuke easy. A genjutsu would take him out.

>>741782347
Goku would wear a space suit.

>>741801405
Well the reason for that is obviously because the manga is so behind. The game was released in 2016 as well as the black arc a year ago while in the manga that shit just ended lmao so it makes perfect sense. DBS is special and not the usual, manga to anime adaption

>>741803767
You need to know the definition of the term "canon'. Xenoverse in no way shape or form is canon. Just because toriyama puts a little work into a media adaption does not make it canon. By your logic ssj4 is canon because toriyama designed it. Xenoverse has NO place in the story nor timeline its just an adaption for solely the games. It doesn't fit whatsoever into the story and was never meant to. Its just a game man

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This tread sucks so much.

>>741780850
superman is garbage though what an uncreative hero

>>741807657
nah, while i do think Goku would win, when it comes to space battle 1. a spacesuit wouldn't survive the punches or hear vision of superman. and 2. goku is not exactly the person you think of when tactics and preparation come to mind (excluding good old training if he sees the threat coming) so a spacesuit it out. that said, if they ever fought goku would just be in it to test his power and would challenge superman instead of being a villain and knowing superman and his morals he'd just fight him on fair terms so it wouldn't even be a problem.

>>741808331
"kill everyone in this thread"
you do know youi're part of this thread too anon ? you wouldn't have been able to post this otherwise. i have a feeling you didn't think this through

>>741808604
I thought Goku fought Beerus in space? Also didn't Bardock fight Frieza and his men in space?

>>741787388

> cut out the middle grunting

But that would mean cutting out the vast numbers of closet faggots that like muscly men in tights grunting a lot and fisting each other.

>>741809542
he did. but i'm not sure you can actually use that as proof. in the namek sage frieza did almost win by stalling Goku untill the planet exploded because he can survive without an atmosphere. now you could argue, "but he didn't have god mode then maybe that changes stuff" except once again during the Resurrection of frieza movie he won by blowing up the planet and winning over vegeta and goku due to the fact that he can survive without air and they can't. it was a fairly important part. (of course even if they did survive they would still have asked for the time rewind to save earth and the inhabitants but you get the point) i really like dragonball but they have a tendency to be inconsistent at times

TLDR : your examples are correct but other examples also prove the other point so i wouldn't just accept it as truth

>>741810278
True about the inconsistencies. Toriyama and the people he work with are always fucking something up.

>>741784165
>easy

I love batman but it has never been easy. He loses in a straight up fight everytime

>>741809010
Jokes on you I want to die as well

>>741783233
This is just comic writer mistake.. if they will explain it as superman using teleportation.. then its not speed.. if he is using speed then its imposible..

>>741783285
He can't turn back time.. that just movie bullshit..

>>741783345
huehuehuehue
you totally miss the point of fiction, man. Who gives a fuck who it's for if it makes oodles of money because people like it

>>741785637
>swallow Goku
>can kamehameah

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Superman, Goku, Saitama, who cares?

Face it anon, when push comes to shove, despite the impossible odds, you'll be rooting for this guy.

>>741811636
Hell yeah, fuck these overpowered pussies

>>741809010
>doesn't even greentext

>>741811956
what can i say, i'm a rebel.

>>741812201
it's called being a newfag

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It's a shame Marvel didn't buy Shazam from Fawcett
He's had to lick Superman's nutsack for the last 30 years ever since
With the power of Zeus, endurance of Atlas and speed of Mercury he should be Superman's better

for everyone in this thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DealmCM53gU

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/thread

>>741782347
super saiyan god and super saiyan blue lets him breathe in space

>>741782347
I'm glad these summerfags are leaving soon

>>741813017
no it doesn't. blowing up the planet and taking away atmosphere got frieza the win in Resurrection of frieza before the time rewind. i assume you didn't watch the money so i'm going to add both goku and vegeta mastered SS blue at that point

>>741812322
i mean, i guess 5 years can still be a newfag to some.

>>741784909
Actually its superman prime 1 million. We were both wrong.
>>741785269
The marquis of death killed death. Several times. He went on a multiversal rampage, mudering everyone, even entities like eternity. Look up his story arc. It's pretty cool.

>>741813438
the movie * not money

>>741813198
if that's trueit's sad that you have to be proven wrong by 12 year olds

>>741782596
He was already dead