>>741749869 And he therefore avoided making a choice and possibly explaining his reasoning behind it.
Think of the trolley experiment: (a train car rolls down a hill, if you don't pull the lever 5 people die, if you do someone else dies.) A lot of people getting in front of this problem try to avoid it by figuring out a way to stop the train car before killing anyone, trying to wiggle their way out of making a choice which defies the purpose of the experiment.
>>741749567 Well thats a pretty fucking stupid answer. Have you ever had a job in the real world? Did they say "all of you interviewees do this job for a couple months and we'll hire the best one and fire the rest of you"?
Employers have to guess. That decision is based on the employers feelings about who will do the best job, not on who actually does the best job. They get those feelings by reviewing all available information, including (but not limited to) the emotions they had during the interview.
>>741749672 >bang on about how all white cis hetero males are the devil. Its better than conservatives all always burning down black churches and committing hate crimes every day.
Or maybe those are both really stupid ideas. I'm on the left as are most people I know. Nobody says shit like you're saying, man. I never even heard "cis" before I saw it here. I had to look it up. Yes there are probably some crazy assholes going around saying white men are the devil, just like there are churchburning hatemongers. But mixing that up with half of the entire country is stupid, man.
>>741750684 then its entirely up to the employer.... it usually ends up being a competition on who actually feels passion for the work they will be doing
i know you want it to end up a race battle but that alone is not even a variable 90% of the time. The last 10% is consideration to the team/co-workers who already work in the company and how the new employee would fit in
>>741751040 Why though? I'm constructing a scenario in which everyone may explore how racist he is. If it makes you feel uncomfortable because you don't like your own answer it enables you to question your believes. If you end up concluding you were right all along that's ok with me aswell.
>>741751080 >i know you want it to end up a race battle but that alone is not even a variable 90% of the time. Yes, you're right on both claims. Most people here won't even answer because that would just prove me right.
These kind of questions where you only have very limited options of "acceptable" anwsers are just a way to guide the conversation towards a point desired by the one who makes the question in order to say "ha i knew it".
Real life has more solutions and answers than just two
You are trying too hard, when 13% of the people commit 50% of the crimes you can be sure I wont hire a person from that ethnic group, call it racist but I say its common sense and I dont have to apologize or feel guilty about it.
Mexicans are cool, but he may get deported so its no the first choice.
>>741751759 >These kind of questions where you only have very limited options of "acceptable" anwsers are just a way to guide the conversation towards a point desired by the one who makes the question in order to say "ha i knew it". Nah i don't think so. I'm not actually interested in the answers, but the reasoning behind it. If the trolley experiment would be answered without explaining the reasoning it would be pointless. It's just a way to construct a situation which helps people put their feelings into words. >Real life has more solutions and answers than just two Yea, you're right, but i'm boiling it down to the core question i'm interested in to avoid having a conversation about something irrelevant.
>>741749176 Tried to explain that to women. The power differences between men and women is pretty much negligible, compared to the differences between a poor/average person and a rich person/aristocrat. > do you really think a queen was more oppressed than a serve? Yeah, it still exist, but maybe we should see to it, that people in general become more equal, instead of forcing perceived equality. When the reality is, a powerful person can still force men and women alike.
>>741752223 >avoiding the question that hard and getting mad on the way >white guilt race baiting So your answer was "white" and you're not willing to admit it? Why though? I won't judge you, i don't care at all. I just wanted to prove to you that you're supporting "white privilige" besides supporting notions that it doesn't exists.
So... If they are from the same social class, a white man and a black man will be treated the exact same on a place like 4chan for exemple? Of course not. It's the same in all kind of societies, there are allways people privileied compared to other because of their skin color, their religion, their gender etc, being white in a white society will make you generally privilegied compared to people with other skin colors.
Not a real proof, in that situation the white man gets a job and the dindu gets welfare from the taxes the white pays, also blacks and white are like brands of electronic products, you dont put your money on shady stuff, you look at the information available and make a choice based on that information, and if a product as bad reputation you dont buy it, its the same with blacks and whites.
Lower social class blacks have an advantage over lower social class whites because there are more programs to help their demographic.
Middle class is where blacks have a disadvantaged but a lot of the SJWs don't know how hard it is to be from a lower class family so they just go around thinking every white person has privilege comparable to there's.
>>741752644 Well if your preference states that you'd chose a white employee then you're supporting "white privilige". This isn't as terrible as lefties may try to make it sound. I do understand the fears of people that they're getting robbed or something, but the entire purpose was that i just proved that you take race as a primary indicator for behavior because you believe "they can't help it".
>>741752949 For exemple in my country people tend to give more money to the white homeless people and less money to the non white people because they have a bad reputation, there are a lot of commonly known rumors about certain kind homeless people, they also tend to give more money to female homeless people.
In your 3 men in dresses question, what "class" of people are you talking about? Poor/lower? Middle/upper class? It's not about their skin color, it's about where they were raised. A white kid that grew up low class in the city it's just as shitty as his black and Mexican neighbors. It has nothing to do with skin. It's attitude and MONEY.
>>741752953 Except it is not a primary indicator. You may have somewhat proved that when race is the sole available indicator, then white will be privileged, but that doesn't prove shit in a real environment. In fact, every one answered you that, when they have other indicators (which is literally always the case), then they won't choose based on race.
Also you have to be more precise when talking about white privilege. I seem to imply that, when a race is preferred over the others for something of its benefit, then it's privilege. Even if the preference is legit. Is it privilege for a genius scientist to be easily accepted in high paying research positions?
I love how every time someone tries to have a serious discussion about this, it devolves into a bunch of emotional hypothetical circle jerking to prove you're racist so they can write off your opinion, instead of, you know, actually accepting that they're just as racist against whites.
>>741752302 Why pick based on race? If you really considered yourself someone who cared about the subject, you should read the question as "there are three people to choose from, which do you choose? The one on the left, the one on the right, or the one in the middle.
>>741753753 >You may have somewhat proved that when race is the sole available indicator, then white will be privileged, but that doesn't prove shit in a real environment. Under the assumption that humans develop somewhat similarly we'll end up with a similar span of "types of people" per possible employee. That doesn't take into account the glorification of crime in black culture resulting in higher chances of hood rat behavior which i excluded on purpose from the discussion. (This can be easily seen from clothing and so on which is why a discussion about it is rather pointless.) >Also you have to be more precise when talking about white privilege. Oh i don't know about the official tumblr/feminist definition (TM), i just assumed it means "privilege which is given out due to being white". >You seem to imply that, when a race is preferred over the others for something of its benefit, then it's privilege. Yes, i think so. >Is it privilege for a genius scientist to be easily accepted in high paying research positions? Not good analogy since we KNOW a genious scientist is well suited for the position. Let's say we have a family of two genious scientist parents, should we give the son the position? Sure there's an indicator pointing thowards the son being gifted with science aswell, but that doesn't fully answer the question.
>>741749176 You're probably just baiting, but the idea is that even that homeless person has white privilege, not in that they have no problems but compared to someone similar, say a black homeless man, the white guy is given the benefit of a doubt and profiled much less. They still get all sorts of shit from society and people for being homeless, but they're not also getting shit for being black or whatever.
I always find it so silly when places like /pol/ insist there's no real racism anymore except "reverse racism" against white people, at the same time as as they're cheering on racism and calling for people to be hugely discriminated against or exterminated based on race.
>>741754365 >I always find it so silly when places like /pol/ insist there's no real racism anymore except "reverse racism" against white people, at the same time as as they're cheering on racism and calling for people to be hugely discriminated against or exterminated based on race.
>>741749348 Why do you assume I could afford anyone cleaning my house for me? Lemme guess, all white people are privileged and rich enough to afford house staff in your mind. Which tells us more about how you grew up as opposed to most other white people.
>>741753339 > Just don't go telling me there's no "white privilege".
There isn't, though. This entire thread is based on the loaded premise of distilling the complex socioeconomic differences inherent to specific ethnic groups down to a simple a-to-b metric, where lacking context no answer can be 'right' and are thus evading the question and 'wrong' answers by default prove said 'privilege'.
It's circular logic at best and a lazy kafka trap at worst. Context matters. This is some thirsty fucking faggotry.
>>741755038 If you're homeless and male, there is really no sense in making distinctions between race, sexuality or religion. You're basically fucked and people blame you for your own misfortune when you're male and homeless. Just look at the funding made to benefit homeless women as opposed to homeless men.
Like I wouldn't generally say a white homeless person is outright more privileged than a black person who isn't homeless, but the white guy still has white privilege. Privilege is not exactly the sort of thing you can put an easy comparative number on, though maybe someday computers will manage, and the actual effects can vary by situation and person because it's all about social interactions.
>>741754216 >Under the assumption that humans develop somewhat similarly we'll end up with a similar span of "types of people" per possible employee. You mean stereotypes? Then I'll agree but I don't see how well it relates with races and privilege. >>Is it privilege for a genius scientist to be easily accepted in high paying research positions? >Not good analogy since we KNOW a genious scientist is well suited for the position Well of course the analogy is a bit extreme, but the point is that the only difference between that and the cleaner example is a probability. With the cleaner's race, the probability for the white one to be better is higher, but not significantly (which is the reason why I'm saying it's not a primary indicator). For the genius scientist, the probability for him to be better than the others at the research job is very high. The issue here is that if you say that one is privileged and the other is not, then it the same as saying that there is a certain level of probability that divides all the people whith privilege (if probability of doing better is under the bar) and all the people that are just good at what they're doing (probability of doing better is over the bar).
You may say that race and being a genius are different things, but I'd argue that the same reasonning holds whatever does the privilege designate.
>>741755247 >I can't actually prove white privilege, but I've been told by people it is a thing. >Until we have actual proof, you're just gonna have to take me on my word and feel bad about something you had no choice in being.
>>741754831 Big words don't make you more intelligent. >Do you understand how stupid you sound for not being able to understand that people can be affected by multiple social factors both good and bad?
That sounds like more or an argument against white privilege.
>>741749883 Nope because I smoke weed. Coo treats me the same as any black man the minute he looks up my record. There's no white privilege. This just happens to be a predominately white country. Of course the white people are doing well in a white country. Do you go to china and shout chink privilege in the streets? No, you get fucking shot for it. Your welcome, minority populations, we aren't shooting you in the streets like you would us.
>>741755285 Also, I forgot to mention >The issue here is that if you say that one is privileged and the other is not, then it the same as saying that there is a certain level of probability that divides all the people whith privilege (if probability of doing better is under the bar) and all the people that are just good at what they're doing (probability of doing better is over the bar). This is an issue because it means there is an arbitrary limit to put somewhere, which would mean that the definition of privilege is intrinsicly different for each person.
>>741755190 You may not want to make distinctions but others will and that has a real world effect that can't be ignored. I don't disagree at all with how horribly homeless people are treated and how people justify it with a just world fallacy, but some people are also still racist and that does have an effect. The cop that decides to give the black homeless man a rougher time while dispersing squatters, the skinhead who goes for the black homeless person to burn, the people who might give money or help like a job who reason that the blacks are less trustworthy and more likely to spend money on drugs even beyond those stereotypes for homeless, that's all privilege and it all adds up.
You don't stop being black when you become homeless, racists will still fuck with you for being black and if anything they'll feel more emboldened because of the vulnerability of homeless people so it could have a magnifying effect in some cases. I don't think being black is really "worse" than being homeless or anything but my whole point is that it all has an effect, these social influences don't overwrite, they just add up.
>>741749348 The question in and of itself is dumb. At the end of the day your gets clean by someone, thats what the goal is. But thats not what your asking, you just wanna proove something about race and white privilege. At the end of the day, some people just have shit and the others have gold. Trying to figure out why is work for liberals who need everything to be perfect. Who the fuck cares so much?
>>741750068 But thats a totally diffeent principle. That's individuaps trying to save as many people as possible. Humans approach questions through a multitude off diffrent ways. Nothing in life is a straight closed question. They are not avoiding the issue, they are trying to get the outcome they deem the best.
>>741755719 Buying into an ideology that tells you being a victim is empowering would make anyone anxious and depressed. >>741755768 You're making the assumption that fucked up people have the support of the populace because of their skin color though. There are actually some studies done within police forces in the US that shows that cops hesitate for longer before shooting a black person than when the perp is white. They're afraid of being labeled racists for doing their jobs. Not to mention all of the affirmative action opportunities poor white people don't have because they are assumed to have a leg up by existing. >>741755826 I've read a bunch of those studies, looked into their citations, which led back to further privilege studies that cited other older privilege studies. Now if you go back far enough, you'll find the assertion that white privilege is a thing because they say so, without any actual science put into proving anything.
>>741752302 A preference for your own race exists. Not a preference for white people. Which is a massive distinction. It's not racist, it's basic evolutionary common sense: trust the in group not the out group. It's a whole country of white people. If you ask the white person they probably favor another white person. Run the same experiment in any country with a different majority race an BAM negro superiority. understand a topic before trying to relate it to others please.
My priveleged upbringing was a direct result of racist hiring practiced that excluded non whites. Dad got a cush job at the factory and readily got a home loan in a neighborhood that was not redlined by HUD as black. I grew up in a comfortable city with lots of industry that historically was funded by slavery, textiles, cotton. I.was able to enroll into a nice unibersoty in spite of shit grades while my black colleagues with better grades were denied because of finances. No loans because the factory didnt hire blacks in the 1960's. I grafuate with a shit GPA and still land a nice job as an IT consultant for Asencion because my dad hooked me up Yeah, Jim Crow was not that long ago and i am still reaping the rewards.
>>741755380 >>741755403 >>741755452 >le wacky shitposting XD Nice argument. I'm not even really talking about white privilege but the idea in general. Forget about race and let's just focus on the homeless topic, plenty itt seem to agree that homeless people have negative privilege thus all the shitposting about "suuuure le homeless dudes are so privileged." Being homeless has an impact on how society treats you, that's priveldge or lack thereof but it's not just about being homeless, everything is a factor and my whole point is that factors don't overwrite, they add up.
>>741756139 It sure is, when it follows the rules. I'm not a proponent of the social science=scam meme. What I am saying is that making a citation chain that functions on circular logic without proving their assertions, does not science make.
>>741755773 It seems like you're just completely ignoring what I'm saying. There are different types of privilege and they all add up. I'm even fucking saying that a black guy is generally more privileged than a homeless person.
Like you're just shitposting responding to a strawman instead of my argument, what to "win" some internet debate? Sad.
>>741755907 Well it's because of racism, but not all privilege is. I wouldn't personally say "homeless people are privileged" with no explanation because it's a bit insensitive and likely to be misinterpreted and cause confusion like right now but it's pure emotion denial to ignore that EVERYONE is affected by multiple social biases.
>>741756290 I'm not entitled for anything, neither are anyone else, that is the point I'm trying to make. I'm just against the notion of giving a certain group special privileges because some other group contains rich people. Race is used to obfuscate the fact that rich people are shitting on the rest of us. It's basically the "Oh your indentured servitude isn't slavery, we have laws that forces us to give you land once your debt is payed, that makes your situation better than the one of black slaves" all over again. Followed up with the master then working their indentured servants to death to avoid giving them land and some start up funds.
thats a great point OP. You can look around at the homeless population and the VAST majority of it is white men, veterans.
Why? Because all the government assistance goes to the black people who just want to live in section 8 housing downtown and not have a job. The white guys dont actually get government support so end up living on the streets
>>741756765 White people from the ghetto are certainly less privileged, they lack the privilege of a better upbringing in a better environment. But they don't turn black for living around them, they're still white and people will treat them as a white person which in some cases will be better or worse than if they weren't white.
>>741757037 Prove it. I'm from a poor background and I'm white, I sure as hell don't have any rich relatives helping me out. Sure this is anecdotal evidence, but your proof is about as sound. You're just asserting your bias and calling it fact.
>>741757141 It isn't reverse in any way, racism wasn't invented by white people, it was invented by tribal people of all colors. Every race and creed out there has racists within their ranks, making racism out to be a white thing showcases your own racism.
>>741749176 of course its not, it just an excuse minorities use to get special treatment. the real inequality in america is a money. doesnt matter if your white, nigger, brown, or yellow if you are born into welth you will have an advantage in life. a poor white is as fucked in life as a poor nigger
>>741757279 Didn't the bitter aftertaste of the koolaid tip you off after your first sip? I'm not saying you're not privileged in some ways, everyone is, but letting people convince you that you're a horrible person for being born a certain way is just fucked.
>>741757165 What are you even fucking saying? My point was someone who grows up in a ghetto or poor area, in general, will generally be less privileged than someone who didn't because they had a less privileged upbringing.
>>741757247 The truth is i don't care about your answer but about your reasoning. Many people in this thread presented a lot of good options, you for instance pointed to your stereotype of mexicans being good cleaners which is a valid approach. You didn't come to the conclusion "becaus niggers be violent and whites be da devil" or some shit, you're forced to do a judgement call at this point, and yes, if i was willing to take it further (which i am not) i could interpret this as anti-black and anti-white behavior.
>>741757367 I'm not horrible. I'm so fucking happy I'm white. I've got a great job working for white bosses who rarely hire blacks for executive positions. I've got a great family and live in a nice, quiet neighborhood and my neighbors don't bother me.
>>741749883 Last time I was pulled over I had to give all my paper work over while they ran it while the other cop was sitting there staring at me and accusing me of being a junkie because my eyes were "fucked up" I was sitting there looking foreword into the sun so my pupils were small. I was coming home from work and all this was because I had a bulb out in one of the like 4 brakelights I have on my truck, how would this have gone differently if I were black, oh and no bullshit about getting taken out of the truck and beaten because that doesent really happen
>>741757141 >is white >has been nice to black people my entire life >has also been fucked with by black people my entire life
When you're white and nice black people fuck with you because they think it's funny. You wouldn't understand because you don't have to go through it, so you don't really have the right to argue against it.
>>741757452 >whats an actual argument for why the sky is purple and doesn't rain chicken because you touch yourself at night anon You want an actual argument for why white people aren't just privileged? Because its fucking retarded. It doesn't matter what skin tone you have in 90% of life and the 10% that matters persay doesn't even fucking matter because only brainlets and children like you actually care. Their now get >>>/out/faggot >inb4 more retarded ironic greentext so he can proclaim himself the winner because he knows he doesn't have any actual ground to stand on gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it 8/8
>>741757526 That isn't about you being white though mate, it's about you coming from money. My parents were making just enough for us not to go homeless for years during my childhood, I'm now a poor adult white male who has actually had a short stint of homelessness. I'm not being offered ceo jobs because of my skin color.
>>741756110 >It's not racist, it's basic evolutionary common sense. >implying evolutionary biology cannot produce racist behaviors It might have made sense in the jungle, but just as we abolished shitting on the ground and procrastinating via rape this might be something we could try to overcome. >favoring of own race instead of generally white people That's actually an interesting objection, i gotta find a way to prove or disprove this.
>>741757037 >works at a gas station >does all the work there while black employees do literally nothing but talk with their friends and give them free shit >black manager promotes black employees >white guy that does everything still in entry level position
>>741757747 Privilege does exist, it just isn't about race, but wealth. Assuming that white people have wealth because they are white is discrimination though. Based on race baiting set up to divide and conquer people.
>>741749176 Goddamn. This thread is nothing but bitter white failures who still have shitty lives despite having a leg up because of their skin color.
Simply being white doesn't make good shit happen to you, it just makes it more likely to happen. But you've been smacked with the reality that just because privilege exists, the more powerful force in the world is that for most people, life sucks.
>>741757946 It goes both ways ya dingus. They really do, but because of people like you its becoming an actual problem because again people like you are like >XD LMAO le straw man le fake argument le ironic shitposting cause lmao dood white people are the devil xD you're retarded like the rest of the normans
>>741757913 Yeah, you assume that. Because since I'm white, I'm bound to have rich relatives helping me out or some shit like that. I don't and I'm not going to let you discredit my personal work in turning my life around, just because I happen to be lighter skinned. You're basically telling me that I can have no merits that I earned through my own work because of my skin color, which is pretty racist of you.
>>741757913 Why? do you know there are a lot of aids programs out there for black people? you get on welfare easier, you get housing easier, you get scholarships easier, all for being black. A white homeless person is fucked unless they have some good friends or family. A homeless black person just simply isn't trying.
>>741758087 Nothing to do with rich relatives or whatever shit you're going on about. You're white so you're more likely to get the shitty job doing shitty work and then you'll be more likely to get the promotion to a slightly less shitty job and so on until you're in a decent place. Privilege isn't about stuff magically falling into place.
>>741755285 Sorry it took so long to reply: >>Under the assumption that humans develop somewhat similarly we'll end up with a similar span of "types of people" per possible employee. >You mean stereotypes? Nope, more like the span of a good worker, a medicore worker and a bad worker. >The issue here is that if you say that one is privileged and the other is not, then it the same as saying that there is a certain level of probability that divides all the people whith privilege Well there's two things you've mixed together: - The skill you're born with / earned through experience - The properties others think you have because of your skin color. Technically both grant a privilege over people, but arguing about the first one is just straight out retarded.
>>741758270 Bullshit. Rich blacks get pulled over by police all the time, they catch hell for moving into white neighborhoods. You're full of shit. That being said, a rich black guy definitely has an easier path than a poor black guy.
>>741757964 Then you should be agreeing with me that your privilege isn't about being white, but about earning it. >>741758197 You're still making assertions based on my race, without backing it up with proof. People of any race get what they work for and the ones who resent being put into a victim role by others tend to do better. Instead of going "Society sucks, give me stuff" they go "Society sucks, I'm gonna scrape out any benefit I possibly can out of it".
>>741752302 So decisions based off of previous experiences or statistics are automatically favoritism? There isn't general preference for white people dumb fuck, look at how many government programs there are trying to protect white people.
>>741757888 It's about many things. Wealth is the biggest factor I'll agree but race, sex, age, health, religion, even still ancestry in some cases and all sorts of things have social effects on how someone is perceived and treated. And those interactions can vary from place to place because they're social and therefore affected by the local culture. Some of those people accept more easily than others. But it all feeds into wealth which is a monster with an endless hunger.
Yea, being white doesn't automatically make you so privileged and educated, its just the color of your skin, its like, if your 3DS is white and your friend's 3DS is black, it doesn't mean your's will run faster, his probably will because it's black
>>741758410 >So decisions based off of previous experiences or statistics are automatically favoritism? Technically yes, that black or mexican might just be really nice people, but you don't give them a chance. Note how others said stuff like "whoever is most efficient" or "whoever is the cheapest", you could also say something like "whoever appears to be most trustworthy". Anything like that. >look at how many government programs there are trying to protect white people Uhh no, i'm not even american.
>>741749176 I see where you're going with this, and there is a point in there, but there's a distinction to be made.
We still have the privilege, whether we've capitalized on it or not. Like, my life is pretty fucking poor and empty, compared to my neighbors who all went to universities and own businesses and live what appears to be the actual privileged life.
But technically, I too could have pursued those things. I didn't because I didn't do very well in school and the amount of debt on such a gamble scared the shit out of me. But, technically I could have, I just either always fucked it up or didn't have the risk-taking drive to capitalize on it.
Now I live next to an Indian Reservation. About 1 in 100 of those guys has the opportunity I carelessly wasted.
Persnonally I think the approach of dealing with privilege is what's fucked up. Instead of trying to make everyones lives as good as those with the best, our stupid spiteful ape comes out and we decide to smash the ones with the best so everyone's the same. Humans are mostly stupid apes.
>>741758533 Race, sex, age, health and religion are used as playing chips to divert people from the notion that wealthy people are the true "Born with privilege" people. The notion that white=rich means that people with the same shitty situation, gets treated differently from each other. Which puts these poor demographics up against each other, instead of them realizing that they are trying to survive the same shitty situation.
>>741758710 true, and you can't just copy paste privilege on everyone without context, there are people who think a homeless white man will have more privileged than them even if they live in a house, get food whatever
>>741758371 >it's your fault your were born this way >feel more ashamed funny, that's what they said about faggots how about instead of worrying about whether every person alive has an even playing field in every concievable way we just let people live their lives and let it sort itself out, or continue being retarded and bring in a hyper sensitive PC dark ages
>>741758710 >We still have the privilege, whether we've capitalized on it or not. Like, my life is pretty fucking poor and empty, compared to my neighbors who all went to universities and own businesses and live what appears to be the actual privileged life.
how do you know I had the same opportunities as you?
>>741758055 >having shitty lives >having a leg up Tell me, how are these compatible in your mind? Do you think that whites aren't born in poverty, lose jobs and cant find jobs, live in slums, go hungry, get ruined by massive debt, get mugged, stabbed, murdered and raped. Money determines privileged you retard, why don't you go yell about the large corporations who outsource to India and China, destroying jobs and infrastructure for EVERYONE here. You don't even realize how racist you are just because there are others touting the same antiwhite crap. Rather similar to the racist South not to long ago.
>>741758724 And then you become an adult and are exposed to the culture of the rest of the country and grow up and realize how to interact with people in a way that's productive.
I mean I totally understand the whole concept of poor trashy people thinking that acting trashy is normal, but there are plenty of people that grow out of that phase in their life. Black people don't because they have this conflated sense of it being part of their cultural identity, as though being black and acting like a fucking hood rat are one in the same.
>>741758779 I'm white and had to be on medicaid and welfare briefly. I applied for and was approved for both without ever disclosing my race. It wasn't asked and I didn't have to see anyone in person until after approval.
Also, welfare isn't even enough to eat. I always laugh at people who act like people are living large off of welfare.
> be me > be 13 > live with parents > do good in school > have a nice dog and a loving familly > get accepted into a good school > mom pays for my bachelor because she started a fund for me when I was like 5 > doing good in school > hoping to become an architect
>>741749176 Because an inexperienced non-white man who admitted to grabbing pussies, and set himself up as the defender of traditional values despite having no religious connections and having been married multiple times and lies openly about easily-proven facts could get elected president?
>>741759043 That is because they've had it just good enough to feel bad for poor people, but not good enough to consider themselves superior by birth. They've accepted the notion that their ancestors working on getting a better life is somehow not earning your station in life.
>>741758967 I laugh at people that think people aren't. I work in retail and I see people come by every day and pay for all of their essentials with their EBT card, and then they bust out a roll of 100s and start flipping through it to buy the other shit they want. I get that's not you and everyone is in a different situation, but that's what I see. I see black kids walking in with nice new clothes, 1000 dollar phones, designer sunglasses, pulling up in nice cars, and then using their fucking welfare to buy their doritos.
At the very least we can agree that these people exist and that it sucks right?
>>741758460 I'm from New York fucker, blacks, whites and hispanics were in equal proportions, normal people judge each other by their actions not their skin or gender. Just because you do doesn't mean everyone else does so stop assuming you know how other people think.
>>741759159 >Be me >Be 13 >Dad leaves one morning without saying goodbye >mum gets most of the money in divorce >Uses the money to avoid getting a job >Go to rough school and full of black kids >Try to do well when graduating >Parents steal my money >Physically Assault me >tell me university is a waste of time >get depression >become homeless >turn my life around after eventually getting arrested
>>741759388 You stand next to a traintracks and see that a train is out of controll and rolling thowards a group of 5 people on the tracks. This group of people either doesn't see the train, or are simply bound to the tracks. Now you can pull a leaver which saves the 5 people, redirects the train onto an alternative track which will kill another person.
Most people will argue that you'd have to pull the lever in order to save the 5 people because the sacrifice of one human is deemed acceptable. cont.
Because everything in American society favors whites. That White person is more likely to receive help both from the government or other institutions thanks to institutional racism and more likely to get help from a stranger thanks to racist norms in society.
There have been concentrated campaigns to villify non-Whites throughout American history. They were successful and we are living in the aftermath. Everything has context.
>>741759620 In this second experiment you're standing on a bridge, a heavily obese man right in front of you and again 5 people on the tracks. If you kill the obese man by pushing him onto the tracks you will save the 5 people, leading to the same conlcusion as the first experiment.
Heavy arguments will break out if pushing is the right step because technically that's murder and that one person was never in danger. cont.
>>741759776 The third experiment takes it a step further: You're in a hospital and 5 ill people come in. Each need a different organ to survive. A completely healthy sixth person enters the hospital for the regular checkup.
Would you kill the one person in order to save the 5 others?
There's a lot of interesting arguments to be had about this dilemma, there's also a number of dank memes of it.
>>741759291 Those people definitely exist but they're not getting all that money from welfare, they're making money on the side and hiding it from the state. I love in South Carolina and the max a family of four can get out of welfare is around $10k a year. That's not enough to survive, much less live a great life.
>>741759677 But if you actually look at the stats, white homeless men are the lowest you can get on the social totem pole. They are assumed to have privilege, so they don't get special programs made just for them. Now I could make some assertions about how being male in general is a discredit when we're talking about getting help, but if you're of the opinion that white people are generally better off, you're bound to think men have it easier as well.
>>741759129 really? Here I thought they were both scraping the bottom with little to no way out aside from dying since society only helps people with money. What do I know though, not like I didn't go through terrible shit without anyone trying to help because I was white. People who are poor are fucked over equally dipshit, maybe donate to some charities instead of bitching that others aren't doing enough. Who the fuck do you think is treating people different because of race, the only ones I see are those screaming that whites have too much privilege and non-whites should be compensated more.
>>741759677 I suppose the fact that you just know all of this doesn't need to be questioned at all or anything. Dude asks you how and you just list off a bunch of things that sound nice to you. I know the second part is true, but you have to admit the first part is just conjecture based on your own perceptual bias.
>>741759241 This is the problem, right here. You don't realize nonwhites have their own means of living just as well as whites. Just like how you don't realize whites can be screwed over just as bad as any non-white.
>>741759907 I know they're not getting the cash from welfare. They are getting that from selling drugs and pawning shit they steal from stores. I'm saying they're living happy comfortable lives and then leeching off of welfare like it's fucking bread and games instead of just getting real jobs. I'm also saying that I see these people more often than I see people that actually seem like they need welfare.
>>741749348 the white man i like to view it as every skin colour having a trust stat, like in any weeb visual novel or someshit, that defaults to 100, if a member of a race does something bad, trust goes down blacks are known to be thuggish, uncultured and bruta;, with a portion being normal people, and a select few being exceptionally good people dont know shit about mexicans tbh, just that they had some drug cartels or someshit, the safest bet would be the white man, since ive observed white people being the least aggressive and most predictable people you could argue that many black/mexican people are acting the way they are because they are victims of circumstance, but eh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>741760000 Point in case. Look up domestic abuse help in relation to men, as well as suicide stats, work deaths, parenthood legislation, bodily autonomy laws(In places with regular male circumcision), help for rape victims and who the government invests money in when it comes to helping children go through school. Men are expected to suck it up and deal with their shit, women generally aren't.
>>741759677 >That White person is more likely to receive help both from the government or other institutions thanks to institutional racism Institutional racism? Like affirmative action that favors people who aren't white?
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