The Vegan diet is the best diet for humans, period. Ethically

>>741617711
plantnigger

>>741617965
What the fuck does that mean?

>>741618197
what do you think plantnigger

>>741618493
I'd imagine it means that I eat plants?

>>741617711
Weirdly, I agree. Switching to vegan allowed me to lose my fat belly, got rid of my moobs and acne and it is cheaper than omni diet.

>>741618826
Good job anon. Smart guy.

>>741618493
I bet you eat meat don't you fat fuck?

>>741617711
vegans are pussies.
>muh animals!!!!

If I don't eat meat, then I'll turn into a massive faggot, such as yourself op.

Obvious bait aside you're actually scientifically right.

>>741617711
If you just eat fucking eggs vegan diets are amazing. Dumb shits are so caught up in muh amimals, they can't accept the fact that it's a byproduct and hurts nothing.

>>741619420
>Ethically and Nutritionally

You can't disprove that it is Ethically and Nutritionally the best diet for humans, can you?

>>741619551
Got any SCIENTIFIC evidence to back that up?

>>741619694
I know, that's the thing, it's an argument I can't lost.

>>741619976
If you eat eggs, then it isn't a vegan diet, its vegetarian.

>byproduct and hurts nothing
Incorrect, there is mass abuse and mistreatment of animals in the food industry.

The picture is free range chickens, does that look like it hurts nothing?

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>>741620262
Lose*

>>741620476
Oops, forgot to link picture

>>741620130
burden of proof is on the active participant making a claim

there's literally nothing to talk about in this thread until you introduce some content to discuss.

>>741620573
Ok, gotcha. Well, ethically/morally is a debatable subject which can't really be 'proven' but nutrition, I'll hit you with some facts if you want?

Threads gonna die bamp

pl0x bump to keep the thread

>>741621105
is nutritional yeast vegan?
my vegan friends and I aren't sure where to get b12

>>741621265
Nutritional yeast is vegan. B12 is the only thing that cannot be obtained through a vegan diet, to get B12, the easiest way is to take a B12 supplement.

>>741621648
wtvr bro apparently the way the supplements are made are non-vegan

If you're not vegan you should kill yourself.

>>741621856
True true true.

>>741621648
B12 naturally occurs in soil and humans historically got B12 from soil residue on their food. Due to modern cleaning methods (soap, thorough washing) of fruits/vegetables, most people have B12 deficiency, and this includes meat eaters as well as vegans.
>>741621845
Some nutritional yeast is vegan; some may not be. Some brands specifically label theirs as vegan.

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>>741617711
I'm a vegetarian; I still eat egg because my favorite Asian dishes still use egg. No pork, beef, chicken, or fish though.

>>741622003
thanks dude!

>>741622148
The chickens don't need your excuses. Stop contributing to genocide, faggot.

>>741617711
>ethically
>prove me wrong
Eating vegan is only more ethical in the same sense that not driving a car or surfing the internet for fun is more ethical.

>>741622325
Driving a car causes some destruction and it is better to drive less or not at all, but driving is not willful taking of innocent lives. Eating non-vegan food is. Murder is wrong.

>>741617711
I mean, I don't eat any animal products but I don't see why you would think a thread like this would be effective.

> vegan for my health (dairy jew and meat kikes via government gimmiedat subsidies)
> vegan for the planet (my freedom is to do whatever I want but animal agriculture is ruining the ocean, the air and don't provide a good ROI)
> vegan for the animals (I wouldn't kill an animal that wanted to live)

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>>741622269
Nothing in life matters anyway, so why not? At the very least, they're just eggs. Not even chickens. Just like embryos and sperm aren't humans, but parasites.

>>741621845
Nah buddy, not that I know of. How would they make B12 supplements in a non-vegan way?

>>741622003
I'm not too sure about that, but I'll take your word for it, but B12 is found in organ meats, dairy products and flesh. Can't comment on what else you said, not too sure about it.

>>741622429
Murder only occurs between people. A cow or a chicken can neither murder nor be murdered. Killing a bunch of chicken is morally equivalent to disinfecting your counter-top.

>>741622148
You should probably go vegan, eggs are some of the most nutritionally void food, pack with sodium and cholesterol.

Salutations fellow plant-based /b/ro.

>>741622557
Chickens raised for eggs are kept in cages their entire lives, and when their egg production declines with age, they are killed. Male chicks born into the egg industry are killed immediately.

>>741622557
Right. The act of eating the egg if it were just a byproduct as you state would be fine but you have to understand that these animals have been bred to produce way more eggs than natural and are killed after a miserable life of 3-4 years. When chickens reproduce (see making more chickens for eggs) the male chickens are ground up alive because they serve no purpose. The egg industry is an animal agriculture industry in which the animals are tortured and killed for no purpose.

Plus eggs aren't good for you and are basically cholesterol bombs. Dietary cholesterol has proven links to blood cholesterol and elevated cholesterol is the number 1 indicator of heart disease.

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>>741622720
Nah, I'm good. Probably going to suicide in the next 4.5 years anyway. At that point, I'll have a meat-dinner.

>>741622789
I know, I know; I've watched the vids. I simply don't care, because I'm not vegetarian for moral reasons.

>>741622325
How so? By being vegan you are not contributing to the millions (possibly billions) of animals slaughtered every year. Not too sure how that's the the same as not driving a car, besides environmentally, it is a moral contribution to not eat meat.

>>741617711
>The Vegan diet is the best diet for humans, period.
>Ethically and Nutritionally

>Nutritionally
Why do you have to take supplements then?

/thread

>>741622953
Because B12 has been completely removed from the ground. The only reason animals have it is because we supplement them with it. Taking the supplements directly actually takes the place of eating something that has taken the supplement. Pretty weird right?

>>741622920
You should care. It is wrong to infringe on the rights of another conscious being. Innocent lives outweigh your desire for satisfying your tastebuds.

>>741622003
This isn't true, we do not contain the right enzymes to make that b12 available to us, that is why it must come from meat from animals that do

>>741622944
Hundreds of billions

>>741622944
>By being vegan you are not contributing to the millions (possibly billions) of animals slaughtered every year.
There is nothing inherently immoral about killing a non-person.

>>741623095
Not true but nice try tho

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OP is a huge fag

>>741622492
I think it would be effective because stupid meat eaters believe they are justified in their actions and it's very easy to repute what they have to say, it's an argument you can't lose.

>>741622325
Well,
I would say that pissing in a known communal water source to be pretty unethical and shitty right?

Animal agriculture produces more greenhouse gases than all forms of transport combined. Commuting is something that most people can't avoid as they need to make money. However, making the choice to just eat something else is easily achieved.

>>741622724
Keep up that good healthy life bro.

>>741623127
Again, none of this really matters. Think, in 100 years' time, even 50 years' time, will anything we do or say now have any relevance? That's the best thing about life: it doesn't matter. But, until I eventually die, I can at least stay as skinny as possible from eating a diet devoid of meat. That's why I do it.

>man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours

>>741622920
Why would you wanna commit suicide, it is a permanent solution to a temporary problem?

>>741623481
So heathy you need supplements, nice try faggot

Tell me how your well your b12 supplements again
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2933506/

>>741623424
You can also easily reduce your CO2 emissions by not wasting electricity browsing 4chan, yet here you are.

>>741617711
look everyone! its a real life homo. dont touch it or you'll get the gay.

>>741617711
Wrong.
Scientific reason: humans evolve as an omnivore. So that vegan diet is going against millions of years of evolution. Plus isnt there a vitamin vegan has to take as a SUPPLEMENT cause they cant recieve with their diet.
Religion reason: if vegan diet was the best diet, why didnt any of the Abrahamic religion ban eating meat.
The best diet is eating both meat and vegetable and regular exercise with a touch of smoking weed erryday

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>>741623578
I hate living, but there are still things I intend to do before meeting the inevitable.

>>741622953
I never said it was perfect, I said it was the best diet for humans. There is NO perfect diet for humans which we currently have available to us, however a vegan diet is the best.

Better than a Paleo diet, better than Pescatarian, better than Vegetarian.

>>741623408
Alrighty, well I guess i will hang around and answer some more questions.
>>741623286
I stand corrected, it looks like the b12 we get from animal foods are from supplementary as well as contamination of stomach fluids from the 2nd stomach as the bacteria that make B12 can be found here.

Please correct me if I am wrong, just because something isn't natural doesn't mean it is inherently incorrect. Typing on this keyboard on the internet is not something that nature intended us to do and that is why we get ailments from being on computers for extended periods of time. If I need to take a pill in order to fulfill a nutritional requirement why wouldn't I do that? You don't need to take antibiotics when they are prescribed and it sure as shit isn't natural to get a vaccine but chances are you have done one of these.

>>741623257
How van you say that? Animals have the same right to life as us, they deserve to live and not be abused or killed just for our pleasure.

I'm gonna eat more meat and dairy now. just out of spite!

>>741623810
> If I need to take a pill in order to fulfill a nutritional requirement why wouldn't I do that?
Because your pill doesn't work, sauce is below
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2933506/

>>741623983
>How van you say that?
Easily.
>Animals have the same right to life as us
We only have a right to life because we say that we do.
>they deserve to live and not be abused or killed just for our pleasure.
Nope. Also, how about plants, bacteria, and fungi?

>>741623595
Still more healthy than any other diet, B12 is easily obtainable and I'd rather have to take a B12 supplement than have a heightened chance of heart disease or atherosclerosis.

>>741623770
>best diet
>requires supplements
Doesn't sound like best diet to me

>>741623631
>thinks you can catch homosexuality

Being this retarded

>>741617711
Shows what you know dipshit. I haven't eaten meat in almost 37 years. Never been a Vegan. Veganism is not a diet, it's an ideology that necessitates an animal free diet. That could be anything, including dirt.

It's not Vegan food that's good for you, its just plain old good food that's good for you. No ideology required.

You fucking retards and your dipshit subjective moral arguments. Can't stand you people.

Veganism, for most of you, is simply a perceived moral supremacy (sometime intellectual) through abstinence. On top of it all your ignorance, you're all hypocrites with a sever case of cognitive dissonance, which you ironically claim meat eaters suffer from. Some kind of sick projection.

I don't get factory raised, boiled, shitty milk, which is no good. Argument invalidated.

>>741617711
But I love meat and milk :'(

>>741617711
ITT: OP drives a Prius in the fast lane going 10 mph under the speed limit and speeds up when you try to pass him.

>>741617711
lol have fun sticking corncobs up your ass.

>>741624167
Because B12 deficiency is better?

Vitamin B12 deficiency can also cause symptoms of mania and psychosis, fatigue, memory impairment, irritability, depression, ataxia, and personality changes

Vitamin B12 deficiency can cause severe and irreversible damage, especially to the brain and nervous system

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OP is a faggoty faggot - and wrong too - vegans are just another mentally ill group that needs treatment and support to eat like normal people again

>>741624167
Your supplements don't work faggot
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2933506/

>>741623983
When cows,pigs and chickens are on the same level as humans evolutionary wise and consciousness I would feel a little bad. Until then we are the Apex predator and top of the food chain.

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>>741623733
Nice joke you fucking moron. We have evolved as herbivores, give me some evidence that we have evolved as omnivores and not herbivores.

>religious reason
Whatever you say is void already from that point. You are talking about an ideology where people worship a fictional being, which they have never seen nor can provide evidence of being present. Religion is a fuckery.

>>741623738
Don't an hero, you probably got a lot to live for, there is at least one person in the world who will/does love you very dearly and it would devastate them to see you go. I'm sure you hold responsibilities, people may rely on you for things. You most probably don't wanna kill yourself.

There is almost always something to live for.

>>741623810
Keep fucking up them meat eaters.

>>741624261
And just to add, you all work for and pay into the system the meat eater raised from the ground up. You're just a cog in their machine, helping that machine keep chugging alone. Ive met maybe two Vegans in all my years that practiced what they preached. That was in some South American mountains where they grew their own food and lived far away from the aforementioned machine. 5 years a watched as these people actually lived up to the shit they talked, and never did they cast down judgment on anyone, meat eater or not.

You fuckers are just assholes and the vast majority of you won't last 5 years animal product free. Fucking hypocrites and moral busy bodies.

>>741624145
Most animals are sentient beings with a will to live. Plants are not.

>>741624867
We have enzymes that digest meat to extract essential vitamins like b12

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>>741624867
where is the most obvious counter argument? the eye placement...

Plants can feel pain, at least meat is dead when i eat it. you're a monster.

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>>741625019
I don't; "friends" and family have etched me out of their lives, and those who remain wouldn't even notice/care if I were to die tomorrow, which is fine really. No one relies on me for anything, I have no children, no wife, not even a girlfriend. I absolutely *do* intend to off myself, and am already making plans to do just that. I will die as I currently live and have all my life: alone.

But, that's not what this is about, and I'm not trying to derail it into a baww/feels thread. I'm just an optimistic nihilist who happens to be vegetarian.

>>741624210
As I stated here >>741624167 I'd rather have to take a B12 supplement than have a heightened chance of heart disease. There is no perfect diet, it's just that a vegan diet is the best diet for human health.

>>741625275
Again your b12 supplement doesn't work link related
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2933506/
B12 deficiency is worse link related
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency

>>741617711
Blood type plays a big role in your nutritional needs. One type (idk which) does much better with a high protein diet ( ancestors hunted & raised livestock) while one type would be vegan friendly (ancestors fed almost exclusivly from plants). So your lifestyle isnt for everyone.

>>741625588
This is shit, sauce please

>>741624261
Veganism is an ideology, but you can follow a vegan diet.

>It's not Vegan food that's good for you
Obviously, you eat good food, you stay healthy, by being vegan you keeps you away from those foods, giving you the best, most healthy diet.

>Veganism, for most of you, is simply a perceived moral supremacy
Nice anecdotal evidence, personally, for me, I don't care about the animals, however I know that is a positive byproduct of following a vegan diet, it for me is simply for a more healthy lifestyle.

>>741625275
NO NO NO NO

>>741624261


>>741625102


The best diet is just eating food that's good for you, no ideology required. A Vegan diet can be paper and dirt covered in Oreo crumbles.

Get this through your head you ideologue, eating well does not require an ideology. It's very simple to understand. Wake the fuck up you absolute retard.

Fuck me, these Vegans are dumb. Brain washed morons. It's like a fucking cult of idiots.

>>741625135
How is that relevant?

>>741624402
I bet you enjoy a longer, healthier life rather than meat and dairy.

There is Almond milk, it's pretty nice after you get use to it. Leaving meat can be hard for some but, even going vegetarian is much better than eating meat, there are meat substitutes than taste like (or in my opinion better) than meat.

>>741624424
Nah nigga, I don't drive.

>>741625776
>giving you the best, most healthy diet.
Stop lying. If you need supplements it's not more healthy.

>>741624510
I don't do that personally, dunno about others, but not me.

>>741624577
Got any proof why I'm wrong?

>>741625960
This cuck, he wants he food to taste like meat

>>741624545
Nice strawman faggot. Although B12 is not in a vegan diet it is easily obtainable.

I'd rather have vegan diet and have to take B12 supplements rather than what I said here >>741624167

>>741625960
>Almond milk
Do you know how terrible almond farms are for local environments? How much water they require?

>>741625776
>Nice anecdotal evidence
> gives me personal experience.

I've been at this since the age of 5, most of you, like said, are busy body fucks.

You do not need to be Vegan to eat healthy, period. I've been doing it all my life. I've actually never personally met a Vegan that's been meat free longer than I have. Not even online. I thought I did, once, in a Vegan black body builder, turns out I've been at longer then he too cause he took a "break" while living in Jamaica with his grandmother, who served meat. His name escapes at the moment, met him on facebook back when I used to use it.

>>741626294
Hey retard your supplements don't work, how's this link for a strawman?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2933506/

Or has b12 deficiency already fucked over your brain to critically read?

>>741624637
I'm gonna answer other peoples arguments and look at that study a bit more in depth, I'll repute what you have to say in a bit, don't worry, I'll come back to you though.

best summed up
>>>/gif/11079360

>>741624826
>evolutionary wise and consciousness
So if your mother/father/brother/sister/spouse/child was struck by a car and suffered brain damage and was considered brain dead, they are put on life support, you would have no problem with them dying because they are not on the same level of consciousness as you?

>>741625776
Also, if you don't care about the animals than what's the fucking point labeling yourself a Vegan? Just to belong somewhere? So you can be a hypocrite? That's basically a tenet of the Veganism religion (in jest, although parallels are strong). That's like saying I'm Christian but I don't believe in Jesus.

You're not a vegan, you just eat whole foods, just like me. No ideology required.

I go through this with so many Vegans. Ah whatever, go be crazy.

>>741625168
Ok, but that doesn't negate the fact the meat is a net worse for you, and you can still get that B12 from another source while still being healthy on a vegan diet.

>>741625262
I bet they would care. I'm almost adamant, you're telling me than your mother or father wouldn't care if you died tomorrow, they wouldn't be sad?

I like eating meat though

>>741617965
>Plant nigger
That's awesome, I love it.

Personally, I thought veganism was a thing for literal retards, then I learned someone I admire, and think isn't retarded was vegan. So I looked into it, and I've been vegan for 2+ years. Have vegan GF and we want to get a (small) pet pig

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People hate vegans for the same reason they hate liberals. Ideology founded on good moral ground which is then turned to shit because they become self righteous, judgemental pretentious shit fucks.

Way to ruin a good thing vegans. Do us a favor, shut the fuck up and live your life like the rest of us.

Gr8 B8 OP

>>741619195
Fuck you I bet you suck the dick of every corn on the cob before you eat it

Fuck this Vegan guy. Look faggots. Eat well. Go light on the meat, nix it all together if you can. You won't die, in fact you'll likely live longer, assuming you meet a natural death. Eating right doesn't require you turn into a huge faggot in some kind of cult.

It's not the length of life that mattes anyways, it's the quality of that length. There's no sense in living, on average, 10 years longer as an unhappy asshole Vegan who actually knows and does eats well if you're a cancer on society like they are. Besides, those will be the worst ten years of your life no matter how you slice it.

Stay healthy, have fun. Be happy. Fuck those moral busy bodies.

>>741625960
Recommend me good meat substitutes

>>741624637
Ok, just read through it.

It says that "vegans who do not consume sufficient quantities of foods fortified with vitamin B12 such as some breakfast cereals, plant-based milks, soy products and yeast extract, or regularly take a vitamin B12 supplement, will have an increased risk of developing vitamin B12 deficiency."

Obviously that is going to be true, of course if you don't take a regular supplement of B12 you're going to be B12 deficient, that's fucking common sense, from what I have read it does not show that B12 supplements do not work. It shows that those who do not take B12 supplements or ingest B12 fortified food will be B12 deficient.

>>741625497
Here you go aswell.

It also states that "There appears to be a degree of awareness among these participants of the need to supplement vegan and vegetarian diets, inasmuch as 20% of vegans and vegetarians reported taking vitamin B12 supplements regularly"

They "don't" work because fucking 80% weren't fucking taking the supplements.

>>741625588
Source for that, a government study perhaps?

>>741625214
I'm not sure what you mean?

>>741625902
Please explain to me how vegans are dumb and brain washed.

A vegan diet CAN be paper and dirt covered in Oreo crumbles, but I'd bet that 99.9% wouldn't follow a vegan diet that way.

I did not claim eating well requires an ideology, I simply stated that the vegan diet is the best diet for humans.

Name me a diet better than a vegan diet. The thing is you can't.

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>>741628468
I'm saying that eye placement on humans is in the front, and predators have this, predators also eat prey (meat). Humans have eyes that were specifically designed to hunt prey to consume.

>>741625497
boy, you don't know what you're talking about. I've been vegan for years and am getting regular blood tests. You can supplement.

Ignore the pretentious dickheads.

this is all you need to know:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

American Dietetic Association uses a lot of dated stuff, and they still say a vegan diet is find, if well planned ( b12 supplements + not eating garbage)

>>741625906
Because you stated "what about plants, bacteria, and fungi" We do not kill plants for pleasure, we do it for nutrition, however we kill animals for taste pleasure and not for nutrition, otherwise we wouldn't kill animals.

>>741617711
truth keep telling these fucks until they get healthy best luck mate.

>>741627869
I'm going to find you and eat your pet pig you bitch

>>741626051
It is healthy, it is just void of ONE mineral, which is easily obtainable.

Just because it lacks in ONE area does that make it unhealthy? No.

It is miles healthier than a meat based diet. Meat is unhealthy simple.

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>>741617711

>>741626175
I want food to taste like meat? or him?

>>741626323
Kinda like cows?

It is better to have Almond milk.

It takes 30 gallons of water to produce one gallon of milk – in comparison, it only requires 23 gallons of water to produce a gallon of almond milk.

Tell me more how much more water they require than cows...

>>741626356
I am not refuting the fact that you don't need to be vegan to be healthy, what I AM saying is that a vegan diet is the best diet for humans than any other diet.

Morally and nutritionally.

>>741617711
The latest dietary report from Harvard Medical School reveals the following:
Being vegan turns you into a massive fag like op

>>741626507
Ok, I refuted what you said about that study right here >>741628397

You have misrepresented the data. Care to change your tone?

>>741627831
Do you like heightened chances of cancer, heart disease and atherosclerosis too?

Vegerarian is where ita at.
There's nothing intrinsically wrong wtih dairy and eggs like there is with eating flesh of something that was killed.

That being said the conditions of a lot of dairy cows and egg chickens are lame.

If your a vegan, then you should also not eat anything thats grown where animams and wildlife are killed to clear the land. Palm oil for example. It's in almosy everything and rainforests are cleared out to grow palm oil killing lots of things including monkeys and apes which are some of the most sentient beings out therr. Yet you never hear of vegans ommiting palm oil from their diet, or plants grow with pesticides which kill shit like mice and other rodents not to mention bugs and bees.

>>741617711
where vitamin b12 coming from?

>>741627034
I actually never stated that I'ma vegan. I just said that the vegan diet is the best diet for humans.

Show me where I said I was vegan.