Drug thread Just been to the doctors and he said it's better

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>>741441446
link?

>>741441392
melt down that codeine with cold water, mix with syrup and make some lean OP. Grip and sip till you feel better rinse and repeat

>>741441607
i cwe all the time so i'm not eating paracetamol (acetaminophen for americans)

>>741441392
What part of your body is fucked up and how did it happen?

>>741441392

Don't take anything that has to do with opiates.

Side effects are way too strong for the high you get. Just get some good ol weed if you want to phase out

These are just shit, there's a reason they're medicine

>>741442333
Lower back, was working in manual handling but i'm only 22 no doctor knows why i'm like this it's fucked up.
>>741442402
Been thinking about it but who knows dude if i don't like the opiates i'll probs go back to weed. But i don't want to phase out i want to be normal and not in pain all day every day

OP have you considered trying advil? that always works for me

>>741441392
I'm on 400mg of tramadol a day.

>>741442775
kek

>>741442811
don't you feel a bit out of it?

>>741442735
>if i don't like the opiates i'll probs go back to weed
yeah... that's not going to happen

Once you take your first few pills, it will only get worse and worse until maybe a few years later you'll succesfully get out of rehab

>>741442924
I feel very out of it.

Always warm.
It's nice out here.

>>741442995
This.

It's an ocean and you will drown in it's sweet embrace.

It'll become your everything. The hair on your arm will stand up just touching the box.

You will learn to dance in the funny farm.

>>741441392
buy a proper filter flask and just CWE them

smoke some weed before it kicks in for extra fun but never after you drink it if you have a low tolerance

>>741443094
>>741442995
what's your guys experiences?

>>741443311

that other guy is exaggerating, but that one time you took tramadol was probably a good example.

They're addictive and the comedown is awful = nightmares, cold sweat, insomnia,etc.

>>741442995
it's not that bad, he's not shooting them up or anything so the addiction wont be as powerful if you just eat them because it takes so long to kick in.

you need to make a decision to feel like shit for a while if you quit but it's not that bad really especially if you can just chill at home all day

>>741442735

If you don't want to feel pain don't take opiates, take paracetamol

>>741443311
At first, you can finally not feel anymore pain. You can't believe it. Especially if you have been in a fair bit of pain for a while.

Days melt into eachother. You forget things. But you're so warm. So peaceful.

Because opiates fuck with your mood, you'll have mood swings, get paranoid, flirt with insanity.

Then you start feeling pain again and need a stronger dose...

>>741443311
Never used any opioid except one time a nurse gave me way too much morfine after surgery, I felt like absolute shit.

I'm in med school, though, so I know how dangerous opioids are, and how regular use can quickly spiral down into addictionn abuse and later street drugs like heroin when the pills that were so enormously strong and made you feel amazing in the beginning aren't doing it anymore or your doc cuts you off. Not everyone makes it out of that hole, so I'd like to warn you to be very careful with these things.

In the short turn it will be great, in the long run it will be hell.

>>741443456
Hardly exaggerating. I'm on a horse dose.

>>741443476
These pills don't solve the cause of the underlying issue, only the symptoms. In the beginning he won't be shooting them, then tolerance will build, he will need a larger dose, then when he's at the largest dose, more pills, then when that isn't enough, he'll look for other things, and it will get worse and worse until you finally correct the underlying issue.

>>741441392
you sound like u need a dose of hardening the fuck up princess. There's plenty of shit out there to try for non-specific chronic back pain like lyrica or ssrni's but they don't give u a high so I bet u don't want any of those.

>>741442735
What diagnostic tests have they done on you? Ct scan? Mri? Have you seen a specialist?

>>741443672
not everyone has issues they can solve

you just need to take responsibility of your own actions and drug use and if you are becoming a junkie then stop for a while it's your own personal choice to do this. drugs don't control you, you control you

>>741443794
What you're saying is just completely unrealistic and I genuinely hope you never get in the situation where you're in need of heavy painkillers like OP

>>741443846
i have a bad back and i've been cwe/ taking oxy when i can get them for over 10 years

>>741443757
I've had so many different type of scans dude no diagnosis yet

You're fucked, OP. Advil will strip your gut lining, Tylenol will screw your liver. Opiods may work but will have several very noticeable side-effects (in addition to being highly addictive).

And you've said you already tried weed.

>>741443673

Both Lyrica and SSRNI's are very hit-or-miss, have as many side-effects as opiods, and are expensive as fuck.

Not to mention SSRNI's are hell to come down from.

>>741443894
>>741443846
cwe codeine pills i just take the oxy normally**

>>741443794
I can't believe it took so long for someone to come up with this stunning solution to addictions and drug abuse, we'll just tell them to stop for a while! Absolutely genius.

>>741443914

*opioids x2

>>741443914
Dude said he is in Australia and any drug on the national pharmaceutical benefits scheme are cheap as fuck u idiot.

>>741444030
you're missing the point. you stop because YOU want to not because everyone is telling you it's bad and you need to stop

people that wont stop don't actually want to stop deep down inside them

>>741444064

...And you know this from how many years spent in the Australian medical system?

>>741443914
The thing is with lyrica and to a,lesser extent the ssrni's, u can trial them for a month and if they dont work u can stop them, no harm done. Try doing that with 40mg of oxy twice a day.

>>741444115

Tell me about the healing power of Jesus Christ, Anon.

>>741444133
38

>>741444148

Wrong-o.

>>741442735
22 and already on the oxy? Lmao, bro

>>741444180

'kay. Still doesn't address the other points.

>>741444249

Ya, he is boned, mightily.

I am a physician that deals with back pain. Even many organic reasons for back pain are confounded by an unspoken psychologic foundation. There is nothing wrong with the cause being psych / stress related, but treating it with narcotics will never solve the problem.

>>741441392


Buy some TTX Get you some porcupinefish, ocean sunfish, and triggerfish.

Eat any of those in moderation.

>>741444287
Please elaborate, what do you prescribe in these cases?

>>741444322

Could work, but do not attempt alone.

>>741444287
You think it's possible for ct scan to reveal soft tissue problems in the lower back?

>>741443912
I would wait for a definitive diagnosis then before committing to long term, slow release opiate therapy, that shit is hard as fuck to get off. You are better off taking panadeine forte every 4-6 hours. Try to tough it out as much as you can. Hopefully it will be a nerve impingement or something that can be fixed. You could try (as has been suggested) gabapentin (lyrica) if the pain is suspected to be due to nerve damage or impingement - don't listen to the naysayers, in my experience about 75% get a benefit from it and about 50% get a huuuuuge benefit from it, but it only works if the pain is caused by a nerve as I said.

>>741444436
you trying to get cancer aswell?

>>741444436
Not CT but MRI could, or a combination of MRI-CT with tracers that accumulate in areas of inflammation or bone (mal)formation could help

>>741444287
I have 2 fused discs, my spine bends to the right, multiple discs are rotated, some bulging, and the twist in my spine puts my pelvis out of alignment. The bulging disc is suspected to be cutting off signals to my right leg, causing it to give way so I fall over.

On a scale of 1 to fucked what are my chances of becoming wheelchair bound?

>>741444256
The point is the Australian medical system allows a good doctor to trial alternate drugs carefully to find something other than narcotics to help with the pain. Lyrica is a great one if it works for you, other than some weight gain in some ppl is pretty low on the side effect meter. Norspan patches are also pretty good for an opiate and theoretically less addictive than the other traditional slow release narcos

>>741444516

My mom is on it, dude. You're full of shit. She gets small but noticeable benefit, nothing like the opioids.

>>741444560
I heard ct in combination with tracers could still do the trick. I'm not OP I've had some lower back injury and I can't sit since three years. Pain is always while sitting and the ct revealed nothing...

>>741444690

The patches actually are pretty good. I'll give you that. You're still overselling Lyrica, though.

Was hard for me to get off the shit. I took hydromorphine. Tramal 500mg tabs twice a day. And 20mg Endone tabs. All were shit and the withdrawl shit. I took NSAIDS like ibuprofen and i had gastric bleeding bad. Hospitalised. I have degenerative ankylosing spondylitis and i just suffer with pain instead of this crap.

>>741441392
you can extract codeine from paracetamol with chemicals you can find at any hardware store. The para does fuck all for analgesia compared to codeine; it's really just there to make you purge if you try to take too get high on the codeine. Look up "acid base extraction"

op here
tl;dr we are all fucked
I'll ask for lyrica tomorrow at the doctor, thanks a lot for the recommendation. If not i think i'll try weed again because i know too many junkies.

>>741444645
Same. I have bends in my spine. Fusion of all c2 to s1 joints. S1 nerve impingment. Achilles are full of calcium deposits. Im struggling working as a tradesman but do it. Ive been given 10 to 15 years before ill be in a chair. Ive wanted to kill myself on my bad days...

>>741444718
Learn2read fuckwit, I said if it works for you it's great. It's a really weird mee that seems to either work fantastically or barely/not at all. I know ppl who have ditched a 400mg/day oxy dose for lyrica and others whom it hasn't worked for at all. I'm just saying it's worth a shot if it's going to save u the pain of years of addiction to opiates

Just took 200mg Oxazepam and 10mg Lorazepam with a sixpack of beer.

Feels nice.

>>741444759
I wish I could help you, but I haven't graduated yet and if even the specialists with all their tools don't know what's going on in your situation, then I'm afraid there's very little I can do. Just don't give up, sometimes a doc can overlook something, get a second opinion if possible. Ask for an explanation in details when they give you the results, even when they say they don't see anything. Our knowledge about chronic nerve pain, what it actually is, how to spot it and how to treat it, is quickly evolving every day.

>>741445010

Careful with that admixture, chief. Or the very best thing that will happen is you never waking up.

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Hello friend have you tried psychedelics?

>>741444963
Did they ever check your levels of vitamin D, parathyroid hormone and FGF23?

>>741445121

At least he's not dealing with the USA "healthcare" system.

>>741444963
I was a forklift driver/heavy lifter.

I have also wanted to kill myself on my bad days.

My work are understanding, and cool with me taking days off, but they are becoming more frequent - and they are unpaid.

I'm struggling just sitting at a desk answering phones.

I just wanna brohug you man.

>>741445128
Nah, that has been my daily dose for the last 6 months so I'm good. Thank's for your concern though.

>>741445146
Being in pain while you're full on tripping is a sure way to have a bad trip, at least in my experience

>>741445146
nice bait

>>741445121
Thank you mang. You were most helpful. Here is something for your studies as well. I've heard regular dosage of uridine monophosphate can help healing of peripheral nerves.

>>741441392
Try Kratom OP. Red is total sedative, white is mostly energy/focus, and green is both. Would recommend green maeng da or super green.

It's effectively an opiate except not nearly as hard on your body as pharms. Also easier to stop.

beesbotan com

This whole thread is making me pretty paniced. I have had knee pain for 4 years now, I'm 23, smashed my knee on a pallet and haven't gone through a day without several Advil/Tylenol. Sometimes I get t3s when it's bad. I was just hoping that I had shitty doctors or that in a few years whatever is wrong with it would finally be bad enough to show on an image (I've had xray ct mri ultrasound the works) and nothing shows. So from what I read here my options are get addicted to opioids or live with the pain till it gets so bad that I'm in a wheelchair. What the fuck. They are cloning animals and creating babies outside of the womb and medical science hasn't gone far enough to fix chronic pain without destroying your pain receptors? I might just kill myself tonight. I'm so sick of being in pain and unable to sleep or work because of it.

>>741441392
CBA to read the whole thread, but dude i was in a similar situation when i was 17 and then again 19. All i can day is its gonna hurt like a Bitch for some time but you get used to it when you are not taking any meds. And get to the gym as soon as you can. And lift. Lift and lift, my back is now better than ever, everything thanks to muscles working in place of spine and shit.

>>741445483
Well, I know it's a bit of a crude solution, but if doctors were to amputate right above the knee, the damaged part of your nervous system would be gone right? These times they're getting pretty good with prosthetics. The surgeons would be perfectly able to make the part of your femur that's left perfect for a prosthetic knee and leg. And the pain would be gone.

>>741441392
>>741445231
>>741445229

There was a comparative study out a few years ago that indicated subhallucinogenic doses of LSD (~20ug iirc, where 100-120 is the low end of recreational dosing) can be used for treatment of chronic pain with better patient outcomes than traditional opiate treatments. It might be worth a shot for OP if Lyrica doesn't work, and you other debilitatingchronicpainfags beside. Subjects in the study would use it for a bit and report less actual pain improvement than the opiate group, but would still report higher satisfaction with their treatment and would typically either remain at their tolerance plateau dosing or wean themselves off (while the opiate group obviously all needed now over time).

>>741445483

It really does depend on what healthcare system you're dealing with, but no, there is no surefire way medical science has discovered to make the human CNS fucking behave itself.

They have very little clue why the antidepressants work. Even less of a clue about shit like Lyrica.

>>741445637

Two words: phantom pain.

>>741445483
brah i struggle with these thoughts every day, when my doctor was telling me there was nothing he can do i just had a wave of suicidal thoughts. So fucked up but always look for solutions dude if i'm still here you gotta be too

Daily reminder to everyone in this ITT thread that pain is extremely heavily linked to your outlook and mental state and the number #1 thing you can do to combat it outside of hard drugs is to try not to think about it.

see placebo and nocebo effects

>>741445637
The last year cutting it off has been almost an obsession of mine. I know the fact that I can still use it makes me seem insane and no doctor would cut off a working yet impaired limb but fuck if I was high enough I'd do it myself or at least start it so doctors have to finish it. Only thing stopping me is hope that someone will find something eventually and I've also hear phantom pain is pretty serious too. I don't wanna lose a limb and probably lose my boyfriend too because I'd be a disfigured fuck just to feel different pain.

>>741445752
That's only the case where skin that is in connection of the damaged nerve part is re-used in closing up the wound, or in cases where there's conversion of information from different places to the same nerve tract. In this guy's example, the damage is located near the knee, not somewhere sacral or in the spine. Phantom pain won't really apply here if the surgeons do their job right.

>>741445803

My mom speaks of loosing her injured limb to diabetes with a kind of relish that makes me shudder inside.

>>741445894

You a neurosurgeon, bro?

Just took my 16mg hydromorphone ER Neurontin and ambien feels good man

>>741445918
Living life in pain unable to sleep unable to work and unable to pay bills or do anything that used to make you happy isn't living anymore in my opinion. Suffer for the next 40 years or cut to the chase. Every year it just seems more and more hopeless.

>>741445803
Well, whatever happens, don't cut it off yourself because you'll either pass out and bleed to death or fuck up so badly you'll die anyway. If you see a psychiatrist about this and fully explain how you're feeling and how it is impacting your quality of life (we love those three words), he might use his medical connections to bring this to the attention of a surgeon who will be much more open to the idea than if you were to go to one yourself.

>>741445965
Not yet, also not a native speaker, as I'm sure you've noticed.

>>741441392
Look into CWE (cold water extraction) if you want to stick with the Codeine. I've been doing it for years, have it pretty downpat that I get little to no paracetamol in my final mixture, just codeine. I'm on 600mg a day (two 300mg doses). It's probably not exactly cost efficient as that's a pack of Panadeine Extra per day, but fucked if I'm going through the withdrawls, I used to be on 3pks a day and managed to cut down by slowly taking less and less without any symptoms. I'll usually try get a little bit of Doxylamine in there too, helps with any itching/side effects (Restavit as it's called in Australia).

dude go to dreammarket on the darknet and get you some heroin, its fucking great

>>741446016

My mom has been in this kind of pain for 20 years. The first 5 were with no pain meds.

>>741445395
Doesn't ship to australia dude

>>741446079
I use doxylamine sometimes too, and i cwe most of the time unless i stumble upon some higher dose tablets.
How do you buy so much codeine without them saying something? Don't you get put on the register for buying any codeine pills?

>>741446184
That's what I mean. She probably hates life and just survives. I'm 4 years into the pain and already take daily anti inflamitories and acetaminophen I know that shit is going to fuck up my liver and stomach which will just add more pain and more meds to the cocktail. That doesn't sound like a life worth living to me.

>>741446314
struth

>>741446263
Not every store registers it, I've sussed out which ones in my area don't so tend to space it out so I will only goto the same chemist per 1-2 weeks. It's a bit of effort, I know I'm a degenerate addict, but that's just how it is for me right now.

>>741446314

She tried the same route as you. The advil wrecked her gut and they gave her so much tylenol-laced pain meds in the nursing home where she "recovered" it began shutting down her liver.

>>741446444
damn son do you have like a spreadsheet of which chemists you hit on what day?

>>741446556
You wanna make up some bullshit fairytale ending for me about your mom so I can at least delude myself into thinking everything will be alright?

>>741446674
Dude I'm feeling really bad for you.
"Anesthesiology-pain management" just moved up my list of possible specializations to chose from when I graduate.

>>741446569
Nah I go off memory, it's not really that tough, but I suppose I've been at it for quite a while now lol.

Bump for kratom in australia?

>>741447644
Bumping won't make it legal, but keep fighting the good fight /b/ro

>>741447671
aye cheers man

>>741446674

I'm not alright, Anon. How could you be?

>>741447176
That would be fucking stellar if someone did something to answer some questions when every other doctor just says "I dunno man. Have some painkillers while we poke and prod and radiate you for the next couple of decades"

>>741447176

If you're in the USA none of that matters. Corporations control everything over here. You'll do as you're told.

>>741447792
I'm not but ignorance is bliss or so I hear. If rather live a bittersweet lie.

>>741447857
Luckily I'm studying at a very well connected university in Europe

>>741447822
That is my dream and my goal, to do something that improves the lifes of people who are suffering on a substantial level. Doesn't have to be anything major, but to be able to put a smile where there used to be only tears would make me forever grateful to whatever higher power that's out there.

>>741448152

>Europe

Lucky bastard.

>>741448152
On behalf of all sufferers, Thank you /b/ro
God speed

dude go to dreammarket on the darknet and get you some heroin, its fucking great

>>741445965
do you even neuro surgury bro

>>741441392
try kratom. its an opiod not an opiate. way less addictive especially if you tak less than 5g a day

>>741441392
>I'm over taking that much paracetamol a day i can feel it hurting my liver but i can't function with this much pain.

I'd take a bet a lot of your 'pain' is just from withdrawals, that is if you've been taking them in high doses consistently for a while now.
if not then either talk to your doctor about ways besides covering with drugs.
and real pain won't be full masked by opiates unless you're taking so much you're basically vegetable lying on the couch nodding and you won't be able to do anything either way.

a lot of opiate addicts say this too, I went through the same thing and thought I had a back back and shit, since even high my back still hurt a heap.
but since quitting opiates, my back is fine.

this is also taking better opiates than codeine like morphine, which is the shittest opiate you could get, that's probably why your doctor wants you to stay on it, the abuse potential of codeine is less since the high doesn't last long, at high doses it's more uncomfortable then good compared to a high dose of oxy

I only take weeed on a daily basis for the last 6 years.
Had some E mixed with a lot of vodka, and woke up next day. Friends told me i ran off the club and found me naked on the beach.
Took mushrooms once- cool trip but wouldnt try again.

>>741449003

do you mean codeine is shit or morphine?

>>741449003

Hello DEA.

>>741442735
>if I don't like
>probs

You're fine. If its that fucked go to a better doctor.

Also you don't usually get pain relief and sobriety. Pick one.

>>741449197
codeine
the tolerance builds up quick, even without a tolerance it's shitty because it doesn't last long.
but I guess I'm talking about getting high and and not the analgesic effectiveness.
but if you have bad pain then with opiates you still get noticeable pain, it just takes the edge off of it that's it slightly uncomfortable but not insanely uncomfortable. maybe that's why people take more and more, instead of following doctors and keeping to dose... and build too much of a tolerance, adding withdrawal pain ontop of it quicker by taking more and more

>>741441392
MAKE SOME L E A N

>>741449688

i'm sure i read somewhere that codeine turns into morphine while digesting

>>741450575
yes and heroin also metabolizes into morphine (well other things as well that turn into morphine)

Just buy poppy pods (that are intended for decorational purposes) and make poppy tea. Its surprisingly strong

>>741450804
The Main active Metabolite of Heroin is 6-mam

>>741451847
Where do you get poppy pods from? I haven't used them in so long, and all my old sources were taken down. Any recommendations? Hints?

I bought them on amazon

>>741451847
>>741452767
just grow poppys and extract the morphine then do an oven bake into heroin

seeds to grow poppy - online
crude morphine extract - water, pans and wax
chemicals for morphine to heroin - aspirin making kit or someone doing college chemistry

>>741453926
Sustaining an Opioid habit by growing poppys ist even remotely feasable

>>741453144
Poppy pods from amazon? Or just the seeds?

>>741453926
Ah right, thank you, any info on how to grow indoors? Like: soil, pots, nutrients, etc? What type of set up would be needed? Maintainence?

>>741454267
>>741453144
>>741453926
made a thread for this just then for interest

>>>741454368

>>741454267
I buy 500g of poppy pods off amazon on the regular.

This is completely legal where i live tho

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>>741454435
Ty

>>741441392
wtf is a calmative?

>>741454689
ahhh okay, makes sense - where do you live by the way?

>>741454875
Germany

>>741454936
Care to share the link or tell me what to search for on german amazon? I don't get anything when I just search for poppy pod as I'm sure it has a different name in German

>>741454834
doxylamine, it's an antihistamine

>>741455130
ahh. ok thanks bruv

Get pure codeine are you fucked? Or for now extract as much para as possible

Thats so much fucking para

I personally would just smoke weed, but i live in canada so this shit is lile purple gold and white from the gods

I started with Fentynal (badly injured) quickly moved to physeptone and morphine when doctor noticed I kept pressing the syringe driver every 2 seconds. F**k I didn't know it recorded. When liberated morphine was withdrawn so asked doctor to put physeptone up. This was liberally interspersed by diazepam, H, C, Ice, Pot, phenobarbital, phenazepam, flurazepam, Zopiclone, Zolpidem. However bad come down when slow oxyies wore off. Complained to doctor... asked for dihydrocodeine, not given enough, supplemented with online dihydrocodeine. Managed with that alone. Tolerance built up exponentially, eating 30 a day. Back to doctor. Pakistani so happy to supply me with opiates...... hmmmmmm opiates. OxyContin again... this time it works.... fiancée not impressed and got stressed as she's anti drug.... I proscribed diazepam for stress. Fiancée loves diazepam, doing better at work, promoted. No longer jealous of me speaking to other women. Who says drugs are bad for everyone. In event of self incrimination I invoke statute of limitations. This is my imagination run wild. Probably due to legally proscribed meds

>>741454159
not in your backyard obviously growing a big patch of poppy flowers would look a bit weird unless you were a granny and wanted a nice garden all around your front and backyard
but if you treated it like cannabis and just put random patches of poppys all around in places and went and bled them, collected it then refined it, it wouldn't be hard
all you have to do is cut it and collect it in a container. compared to cannabis your not moving a ton of material for a big harvest. maybe after you're done bleeding and want to remove the rest of the pods and stem for refining.
it would be hard but not impossible to sustain a long enough addiction from

>>741454267
growing poppys indoor would be retarded, just grow weed. but if you want to grow indoors you probably live with parents and shouldn't even be taking opiates. no one would see poppys and recognize that they're what they are, they're grown in gardens all the time as ornamental flowers because they look nice.

opiate addiction (as in abusing to get high) is stupid, after 2-3 years and once you hit the point where your miserable all besides the few hours you can relax after a dose. then when you can't get any and go 24 hours without some, you'll be in hell and will do anything to get some (which is where the stereotype of sucking dick for heroin comes from). then when you get tired of that and try to quit you'll be in weeks of hell

>>741455650
Asking to grow indoors as I live in apartments. Not looking to get high/fucked up, just need enough to deal with physical pain for my back problems (80 degree curvature scoliosis upper back, 15 degree curvature kyphoscoliosis lower back - classified by Drs as "level 3 back pain". [Essentially treatment for level 3 back pain is experimental, highly expensive surgeries - such as implanting a remote morphine drip in my back, to destroying nerve endings]). In 8-9 years, I've only been scripted weak muscle relaxers and 5mg hydrocodone 3x daily, which doesn't help at all (neither does injections as the negative side effects for 3 months with no control on such cannot be altered during such time).

I'd appreciate any information, and my apologies for rambling or my ignorance.

>>741455650
If you do that they will 100% get stolen

>>741456464
As a previous anon said, you'd need quite a large area and plenty of sun if you want to have a production that's enough to cover the entire year. To do this in an apartment is virtually impossible. You only get a very small quantity of opium from each single poppy. I can be a bit off, but it's like 50 for one junky's hit. You might need multiple hits a day. Times 365.

>>741444690
Lyrica, (pregablin) is addictive and Pfizer were sued for misleading its addictive qualities. One guy who was on H for years came off it easier than being on Lyrica for 4 months. Said it was the worst withdrawal he ever had..... mind you he was a mooching c**t and might have been sympathy seeking.... I am addicted to opiates, I would rather have the quality of life and addiction than the pain and depression. The problem with opiates is the tolerance, I won't go into mechanism of actions but a little known fact is to rotate.... for example dihydrocodeine for two months, oxycontin for two months, morphine for 2 months... try avoiding methadone.... great pain killer but awful to come off... too much politics with opiates, they are of low toxicity but overdose is caused by CNS depression, I known others brought back from it, they said they felt and knew nothing. Paracetamol however is toxic, Many professionals will agree the maximum daily dose is still far too much. It is a good painkiller but drug companies don't care what harm it does, for when you get ill from the s**t they sell you they can sell you more S**t. I sympathise with opiate addicts now I know the grip it has. But it's invaluable for pain, has given me quality of life and I cannot stand these celebrities who get addicted to a few co-codamol then cry like fannies as they go to rehab then come out with their "terrible traumatic experience" and how all opiates should be banned so people like us have to live in severe pain cos they are pussies who did not read the patient information leaflet.

>>741456743
Ty for the responses.

I was considering scoring the pods (guessing 10-20 plants? Or more if possible?), then cutting them just above the top most leaf (as i believe the pod will re-grow? apparently this is possible - least according to a thread on 420 chan. although not sure how many times this is possible, if at all), drying it, extract seeds, then crushing/blending dried pods into dust (essentially to make tea with the seeds, and just consuming the pod dust).

>>741457314
I can't go into any specifics as I lack all experience growing them, but there's indeed quite a bit of useful information on youtube and other forums if you want to go through with it.

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>>741457499
Ty - what forums? Bluelight, erowid? Any specifics?
Also, feel free to share any information you can, its much appreciated, along with your responses

>>741457720
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>>741457720
It's important you get the right strain, one poppy seed is not equal to another. There are some that produce very little alkaloids, others that produce many but the wrong ones (that cause nausea) and the right one(s). Make sure you choose the right one. The next thing is creating the right climate (humidity and temperature) for these plants, as well as the right soil and nutrients at the right times. Too many nutrients can kill a plant or harm it. The next important thing is, if you're using artificial lights, to choose light bulbs with the right frequency. I'm not sure if this is also the case with poppies, but for example with weed you need a different lamp based on when you're growing them in size and when you're growing the buds. The last thing is to harvest them properly, and how to prepare the opium properly (cook it down if necessary, what to watch out for, weighing it properly and not overdosing). When I search "poppy cultivation", there's a lot of videos on youtube. Also take a look at documentaries about how they do it in afghanistan or pakistan, you might learn a thing or two.

tldr know what you're gonna do before you're actually doing it and learn from your mistakes

>>741443525
Well good thing I'm not the only one who feels insane - codiene was fucking with my head a while ago, when I used to take it every day. Was 150-300mg a day, not for pain just to calm down. But fuck, my thoughts when I got off it were just worse and worse every day.

>>741443476
lol shooting codiene, good one

>>741442735
I'm old and my back is messed up. I don't like being high either but smoking weed once usually makes my back feel better for 4 or 5 days. So I usually just do it on the weekend so I can get up and get to work during the week.

>>741458091
Very much appreciated for this info. What strains is recommended? I know there are different papaver somniferum strains - which ones are recommended?