8values thread https://8values.github.io/ here's mine

>>741342409
you're garbage

>>741342508
>you're garbage

post you're own then

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>>741342409
r8 no h8

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>>741342409
man of culture detected

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>>741342409

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first time doing this
rate me

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Hit me with that commie shit

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guess im a centrist

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/pol/ here.

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rate

>>741347713
Pretty boring. Needs more extremism and naivete.

>>741347274
> 75%
> centrist

>>741347827
lol extremists are stupid

>>741346554
I'd like 80% of my industry to be controlled by government, but I don't want to hurt people's feelings so I'm not going to enforce authoritarianism. Typically anarcho communism.

>>741347912
Then practice being stupid. Stand in front of the mirror, and tell yourself you're fighting for Social Justice! Or that you're fighting against Globalism! Or that you're fighting for limited and government and free speech... nah, nobody believes in that last one anymore.

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>>741347949
Everything was great in my country until the government decided to outsource or outright sell off utilities and providers to private companies......
Then services went to shit. Staff were cut to reduce costs, products (like electricity, gas, internet, mobile towers etc) were cheapened with a longer lifespans rather than pushing newer technologies (cheaper), costs went up over time (to cover 'rising costs' while CEO's still got their bonus') and customer service went down the shitter since they knew we didn't have a choice.

The private sector is fantastic for many industries..... but utilities, education and medical providers consecutively fail the public when given to the highest bidder with profit surpassing the needs of the user.

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Nationalsozialismus here

>>741348100
i don't get what you're saying lol. i support free speech like most people on here do..?

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So I'm a meme. Neato.

>>741348711
There's a strong push back from the progressive left against free speech, and the right has never been comfortable with it. And they're all violently opposed to reducing the government in any way, they just argue about whether the money should to social programs or the military.

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Markets are great, they make the tides rise and everyone's financially better off than they were 100 years ago. But I still think we need some oversight for the free market; you could argue that government meddling caused the housing market crash in 2008, but still I think the market was under-regulated rather than over-regulated.

If I can sell you securities with a bunch of loans tied up in them, and nobody checks to see if these people are good credit risks, then I've done an irresponsible job selling you that security. Especially if I know the underwriting is bad, it should be a crime, tantamount to fraud. There should be no situation where the government has to bail out banks and subsidize losses, when they don't share in gains.

>>741349158
>There should be no situation where the government has to bail out banks and subsidize losses, when they don't share in gains.
The government made money on TARP, they got their gains.

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Good guy master race

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>>741342409
Liberal faggot like you are what’s wrong with the world

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OH HELLO THERE TRADITIONIOLIST HERE

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Vote with your fucking wallet and let people do what they want so long as it doesn't endanger you or your property

>>741342409
Fucking commie go to Poland and jump off Stalin's penis

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>>741342409

>>741349621
looks like we have a nazi fag here

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>>741342409

>>741348424
couldn't agree more

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I feel like I'm rational above all else, come at me with evidence and I'll change my opinions

>>741349621
>1929 never happened

>>741350338
Because I'm bored. Up to here, the median is:

Economic 53.4% (Centrist)
Diplomatic 56.7% (Balanced)
Civil 59.6% (Moderate/Liberal)
Social 37.5% (Progressive)

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Mmmmm yes

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Not sure how I got like any tradition, since I place zero value on the notion that "we dun it this way befur so it's better than the superior choices"

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>being a capitalistic, nationalistic, authoritarian traditionalist

Die already grandpa.

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>>741342409
In Spain we called ETA and Venezuela for our values.

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>>741342409
Rate Me.

>>741352425
*we are

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>>741342409
I don't think this is really accurate. The first two values seem right to me but the last two don't. The developers seem to think that promoting family values is opposed to liberty when really having strong family values increases financial mobility and by extension liberty.

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How shit am I?

>>741352699
>>741352699
And how do you promote family values? By either incentivising them somehow or by restricting alternative social structures, both of which require some amount of government authority to enact.

Also having more money doesn't increase liberty. If you're free to do something but can't afford it that's not a lack of freedom, and being able to afford it doesn't make you somehow freer than your poorer neighbor. You're conflating freedom to act as you choose with the capacity to do so.

>>741342409
https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=85.4&d=68.6&g=70.4&s=87.2

>>741353172
Have fun being raped by brown people and having price controls drive up the price of food to the point you can't afford to feed your family <3

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>hurrrr tradition is important

said he, shitposter on 4chan, to millions and millions at the touch of a few buttons.

>>741349621
>diplomatic axis: chauvinist

you're so fucking stupid even the poll is calling you a moron

>>741352699
>having strong family values increases financial mobility and by extension liberty

I don't follow this logic at all. You have much more financial mobility with no familial responsibilities.

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Here's mine. Nothing special

>>741353479
Eh, most people are alright if you give them the chance. And if they don't grow up in a shithole

Isnt the point of price control to keep some necessities as close to production cost as possible?

>>741353888
Having no family responsibilites and having no family values are not the same thing. If I have no family responsibilities would mean that I don't have a family. Having strong family values like waiting until marriage before having children not only statistically reduces poverty not only for the parents but also for the child.

>>741354358
>Having strong family values like waiting until marriage before having children

That's a "family value"? Not having kids before being able to afford to take care of them is just plain fucking logic.

Datamining thread

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>>741342409
anarchism will set you free

>>741353992
And those that aren't will squandering whatever welfare you give them and pillaging whatever else you don't

Sure that's the point. And there are examples of that failing over
and over
and over again.

>>741342409
Huh. Neat.

>>741354913
will enjoy*

>>741354586
You'd think that but single parenthood is on the rise. This is leading increased reliance on social programs.

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>>741349158
Hello there.

bumpe

>>741353209
You can start by not incentivising single parenthood. If a person wants to hurt themselves and their children in that way they have every right but why should we reward them for it?

>>741355775
Mkay, no clue what your point is, but not incentivising single parenthood isn't tantamount to incentivising traditional family values.

>>741356323
If creating a better life for your children is a family value and being a single parent has a negative effect on your child psychologically, socially, and financially. Then not incentivising single parenthood is tantamount to incentivising family values.

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Sidenote : voted France Insoumise

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Neo-Liberal here

>>741356722
Not incentivising farmers to plant potatoes is not the same as incentivising them to plant corn.

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>>741349583

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Yes

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>>741357676

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>>741357897
Post urs fgt

>>741357538
If corn was objectively better for the farm and the only reason you planted potatoes was because of an outside incentive. Without the incentive you would naturally move to corn.

>>741357538
If you wanted people to start planting corn instead of potatoes wouldn't you start by stopping the incentive you made to plant potatoes?

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=59.1&d=71.3&g=67.7&s=82.7

>>741358071
>>741358258
Mkay, but that's still not promoting corn. What is your point?

Again, if you want to promote family values, you have to incentivise people to maintain them or punish them for not. Otherwise you're just letting be what may, not promoting anything.

Regardless, single parenthood isn't something people do because of incentives; it's not a financial decision, it's a decision made when one parent is better off, or feels they'd be better of, without the other. I have no idea what country you live in that you believe actually incentivises people enough to be single parents that people actually view that as preferable to a traditional family under normal circumstances.

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The fuck is wrong with all the liberalism, /b/ has certainly changed

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>>741342409
ok thats me aparrently

>>741349583
disgusting cuck

>>741358953
Here are the averages up to this post:

50.3 |------+------| 49.7
54.9 |-----+-------| 45.1
56.7 |-----+-------| 43.3
37.1 |---------+---| 62.9

>>741348805
I excluded this one as an outlier

>>741358867
You might not become a single parent because of financial reasons but you have no reason to find a suitable partner when the state pays for your food and rent.

And who cares if I'm talking about incentivising one thing or simply not incentivising the opposite in what I clearly stated from the start was simply the first step.
>You can start by not incentivising single parenthood. If a person wants to hurt themselves and their children in that way they have every right but why should we reward them for it?
Your entire argument was a essentially word play until now when you actually attack my argument and your attack falls on it's face.

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>>741358951
you're fucking stupid and a newfig if you think /b/ was ever more "right" than it is now.

>>741359574
/b/ is always right.

>>741359574
It's full of cucks that's for sure

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>>741342409
Here's mine.

>>741359619
that's why /b/ raided a right-wing web radio show host multiple times in 2006 and 2007, right?

>>741359536
Your original statement was that promoting family values increases freedom, not government authority. My point is that is false.

And no, it's not wordplay to say that not doing a negative is not the same as a positive. That's basic logic.

Get your head out of your ass.

>>741359747
yeah but that was the right thing to do.

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Good morning, comrades!

>>741359824
I dont understand why some people want to throw away tradition. All you will get from relentless progress is chaos.

>>741359773
Your original argument was that you can't promote family values without offering incentives or imposing restrictions. That is clearly false when you can simply halt the incentives for the opposite to promote family values.

>>741359921
We must throw away traditions that are not beneficial to society. That is the essence of progress.

>>741359921
Chaos is a ladder

>>741353662
You're retarded.

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>>741359921
Did someone say chaos?

>>741359981
I've said time and time and now time again that halting the incentives for the opposite is not the equivalent to promoting something. It's just no longer promoting the opposite, that's it.

In order to promote something, you have to take action that promotes it, i.e. incentives or restrictions. Otherwise you're not doing anything, which is not promotion.

>>741359921
Tradition for tradition's sake is fucking stupid. Just because we did something someway in the past, we're supposed to keep doing it despite superior alternatives? Fuck yourself grandpa.

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>>741342409
8 values is not that good, this test is much better :
http://www.abtirsi.com/quiz2.php

>>741360468
It's valuable to society and keeps people connected and happy

>>741360157
You're retarded. If you're currently offering incentives for the antithesis of something you want to promote then removing those incentives will promote the first.

If you aren't getting paid by the government for being single with kids then you will find a parter to share the financial burden or you will be less likely to leave your partner in the first place.

>>741342409
> 70 fucking questions
lmao no

>>741360541
Traditions are not mandatory for people to be connected and happy. That sounds like an excuse for people who don't have any real reason to do anything.

>>741360722
Traditions are among the best tools today to connect and stay connected.

>>741360468
I didnt say that you stupid fuck. Progress is great but look at whats happening in china for example. They are building cities for millions just for the sake of progress while nobody can afford to live there. So you see I could say the same about your precious progress.

I respect tradition because I respect my ancestors who died building up what I have now and would not like to throw that away. Do you believe people before us were stupid or what? In todays modern and progressive world people are becoming fucking morons more than ever. You would think that because of the internet and all of the information people would be more intelligent but they still stay ignorant. All from what I see in young people nowadays are fucking dumbasses who think they are some sort of genius.

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Here's mine

(((op)))

Fucking liberal faggots.

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central master race reporting in

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>>741361271
Forgot my chart

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Rate me

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>>741361322
>it literally says "fascist"
>still think everyone else is wrong

>>741361318
Sitting on the fence on everything like a total faggot. Yeah real masterrace material right there champ...

>>741360942
[citation needed]

connected for what purpose? To perpetuate traditions that have no value in and of themselves? People who actually create progress in society connect over the fact that they're actually *doing something*.

>>741361397
Fascism isn't a dirty word libcuck.

>>741361534
If you pretend to have an opinion on everyone of those questions you have some serious delusion of your own sense of self and your results are likely much less accurate then my faggoty results.

>>741361587
>Ever wanting a authoritarian government.

>>741361109
Building a fuckload of cities people can't live in isn't progress, it's pie in the sky grandeur.

So because your granpappy mowed his lawn with a scythe you're not going to use a mower because you feel some obligation to him? Because our ancestors talked to invisible men in the sky we're supposed to?

People today are more educated than at any point in history. If you legitimately believe the people of yesteryear were somehow smarter than us, you have a serious case of Golden Age Syndrome.

>>741360942
Yeah, the Internet is a great tradition.

>>741361733
Personal liberty is entirely fucking overrated

>>741360468
What are you talking about dude. All traditions originated somewhere. They are not there just for the sake of it. Thats like saying Im only celebrating christmas becouse everybody else is doing it. There is always something behind them.

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Here it goes

>>741361561
Tradition keeps families and local communities connected. What these communities are "doing" is looking out for each others wellbeing as only a person who knows you personally ever possibly could.

>>741361751
you read only the part you wanted to see. Im not demonizing progress.

>>741342591
Your*
It's 2nd grade English, no wonder you're so garbage.

>>741361751
Tradition is linked to culture. I believe culture and tradition give value to a nation. They give value to the individuals of the nations.

We need to keep connected to our past and history. Ensuring we respect and maintain tradition and culture is integral to this as it's something which is naturally implemented into the minds of the individual based on their own experience and exposure to traditions and culture and history.

Without history and culture we can't learn from our mistakes.. to say they are useless is arrogant and offensive.

>>741342591
>post you're own then
>you're

how do you get it wrong when you even quote the proper use kek

>>741361856
So because people solved the problems they had in the past a certain way, we should continue using their solution? Hell I thought indoor plumbing was pretty nifty, but people used to use aqueducts, so I guess that's better because tradition.

And you literally only celebrate Christmas because other people do and told you to. If no one ever told you about Christmas or winter holidays, you'd have no reason to celebrate on that specific day or with any of the specific customs associated with those holidays.

>>741362103
I responded to every point you made in that post, but yeah I guess I'm just being selective.

>>741362302
You can believe they have value all you want, doesn't make it so.

>We need to keep connected to our past and history
Why? We should remember lessons of the past; what does that have to do with observing tradition?

Tradition and culture are not mutually inclusive by any means. Disregarding tradition doesn't mean eradicating culture.

Disregarding tradition doesn't mean forgetting history.

>>741362302
well said bro

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>This shit is so American centered

Apparently I'm a social-democrat, also known in Europe as "
disguised ultra liberalism "

>>741362650
The only reason I even talk about the subject of keeping tradition and culture is because right now Europe is having their culture raped by the huge unflux of refugees and refugees having huge families.

The elites of the world know how dumb and small the memory of the average human is. Without tradition and culture our history becomes forgotton and we become more blind and confused as individuals.

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In other words, I don't really care

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I am the future.

>>741362302
Tradition =/= culture.

Culture his on overall common to mankind. Tradition is the bastard brother that leads to nationalism on stupid levels. You can share culture and learn from each other this way while traditions can only confront themselves.

Most people fail to understand the differences between them.

Here is an example:

- A migrant from middle east can share his culture with you and you can share yours with him. You both keep your own culture and learn a bit from the other one.

- A migrant wants to live following his tradition in a foreign country. He can't stay in a community unless the hosts accept to damage their own traditions.

>>741363362
You're pretty much the past, like 191X past.

>>741363041
And again, tradition =/= culture. And those refugees that are threatening to dilute Europe's culture? They're just following tradition! Why should they adapt and progress when there's clearly so much value in continuing to do things as you've done them in the past?

Pretty sure tradition doesn't magically improve people's intellect, memory, or historical knowledge.

I will also clarify that doing away with tradition for the sake of incontinuity is equally stupid. Farmers "traditionally" harvest in the fall, but they'd do that regardless of what was done in the past.

>>741363362
I've got the place for you! It's called China and it's awful.

>>741343210
Are you me

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I don't even like Nazis.

>>741347583
Autism

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Wot

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>>741342409

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Not surprising. Some of those statements seem like they were made by a libtard

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I guess I'll just hang myself.

>>741364052
>2017
>wanting to be slave of state

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>>741342409

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Having a leftst government, like my country, is the best way to learn that the biggest the government, lower is the citizen.

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i think we can all agree;
Equality=cuck
world=good goy

>>741360004
This

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Am I normal???

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This cannot be correct. I was informed by /srs/ /2xC/ and the twitter trust and safety council that I am in fact a racist sexist alt-right neo nazi troll.

Side note, these fucking questionaires are bullshit and lemme tell you why; they don't go further in depth with any of their questions.
Example;
> It is important that we maintain the traditions of our past
Which ones? Placing a cultural, meaning greater than legal, importance on values such as the Freedom to Speak without reprimand for our opinions and ideas? Or ones like Racism/Sexism/Homophobia? Because the first one is pretty fucking important in my opinion, and the second not so much.
This should be a sorta 2pronged questionaire approach, where they give you the SA/A/N/D/SD and a handful of the most common answers as to WHY a person feels this way. Otherwise the questions become inherently loaded and the results lose credibility.

Other examples;
> Genetic modification is good even in humans
We talking about fixing retards and siamese twins while they're in the womb or making pretty babies?
> We should open our borders to immigration
Immigrants who do not register with the federal census bureau and file a W-2 or ones that do?
> All people - regardless of factors like culture or sexuality - should be treated equally.
We talking about zoophiles and child molesters or fags and trannys?

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here we go

>>741342409
>taking a shitty quiz to determine your political alignment

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>>741368466
You're the most normie of all the normalfags.
Turn off your fucking TV for like a week jesus christ.

>>741364052
self hatred -> Hatred of those similar to self -> authoritarianism as a solution of controlling those whom you hate, meaning you.
> aw m8 ur a nazi

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this is me xDDDD

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I'm ready to be made fun of.

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>>741342409
centrist

>>741342591
lol retards like you are glad b/ is anonymous

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Slightly more extreme on each axis than the last time I took it

>>741370386
least your not a neolib normie.
*shrug*

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BASED

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Look how many socialists in here... Guess who is working right now and doing something productive to society...

>>741370555
looks like you're a bit contradictory in your beliefs, should probably re-evaluate your opinions. centrism is not real.

>>741370758
This post is the reason the last American Election was between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

>>741370758
nothing is black and white in the world

>>741370891
Care to evaluate? You're not really making sense. I don't understand how disbelief regarding the legitimacy of centrism lead to the fuckshit that was Clinton vs Trump

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Meh. Not unexpected

>>741370563
And what are you doing here, then?

>>741371020
You claim a thing that absolutely does exist in the minds of the voters doesn't exist.
It could be made manifest, but you, and people like you, claim it cannot ever function. This creates a self-fufilling prophecy of defeatism that prevents centrism from even becoming a legitimate thing in the first place, much less being around long enough to assess its weaknesses and function as a proper political foundation for a legitimate party or candidate.
You create this disparity. The divide between efficacy and reason. You create Hillary, you create Trump.

>>741370563

>He says, on /b/

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>>741370535
i get it

>>741371937
Libertarian communism? HOW?

>>741372442
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-communism

>>741350797
Update, median result up to here >>741371937

Economic 54%
Diplomatic 53.75%
Civil 56.7%
Social 36.95%

>>741359486
That's why I used the median, not the average. It handles the outliers better, because it just looks for the most typical /b/tard instead of being swayed by a few extreme results. Which is why I didn't bother excluding any.

This is the closest to the median (only 9.2 points off) >>741370555

The fake one you excluded is furthest from the median (212 points) >>741348805 tho another likely fake is also very far off (202.5 points) >>741349621

>>741372568
After skimming through, I feel like this would not work at all. My main reason is that it doesn't take in account people

>>741372820
Communism of all types is an ideal, not a practical form of government. It can work quite well for small family groups who all know each other and are invested in each other (i.e. stone age tribes, or hippy communes), but breaks down beyond about 100 people.

>>741368849
Yeah, my answer to so many of the questions is "it depends". I took the test twice, answered completely honestly both times but picked different answers (because I could make a strong argument for both), and ended up with a 35% difference on two separate axes. The questionnaire assumes you respond to the various issues in very specific ways.

>>741342409
https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=72.0&d=72.9&g=77.7&s=82.5

>>741373199
So does capitalism

>>741372442
By you not understanding the first thing about political ideologies

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neo-lib

>>741374115
Liberation Communism is a paradox. You don't want laws, but you want the government to tell how to sale and trade goods?

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>>741374183
Absolutely Disgusting.

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>>741342409

>>741374005
As a counterpoint, I cite the entire history of the world since the 18th century

>>741374344
got 50/50 ayy

>>741342409
wow. so you're evil?

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Social libertarianism is best.

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yep

I guess I'm a centrist.

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>>741342409

>>741342508
I agree

>>741374942
Who did you vote for?

>>741375682

I was not expecting a majority of authority over liberty, but other than that, no real surprises.

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So am i fucked?

>>741376059
Not from America, if I were I'd have probably ended up voting third party.

In UK, I voted Labour but only because my MP is pro brexit.

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>>741346554
Hello comrade

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>>741342409

>>741376396
What is your opinion on immigration and the ethnic dilution of Europe?

I think one day white native liberals are going to have to confront this problem.

What up populism

>>741376826
Noun: Populism
'support for the concerns of ordinary people'

>>741376757
Ethnic dilution doesn't bother me, idgaf about identity crap.

Immigration needs to be skilled only, primary concerns of the state should be it's own people and economy, that's the point of a damn government, right? That and the immigrants need to be able to actually integrate into the society rather than form their own bs communities and only interacting with themselves.

>>741377376
So you're fine multiracialism?

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>>741342409

>>741342409
I'm stuck on the first question. I mean, you got to be very simpleminded to think it can be distilled into such an easy duality.

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16y/o
r8
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>Yes this is a 18+ board
I know nothing of the market

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Centrist.

>>741378358
Who did you vote for?

>>741377917
You're just a faggot rule-breaker, aren't you.

>>741378382
this time, Trump.

>>741378495
I hope it was wasn't with enthusiasm.

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Dumb.

>>741378689
No. It wasn't

>>741377634
Yup.

>>741351817
Kys

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>>741379496
>shit

>>741377917
typical nazi, always immature teenager, always breaking rules. reported.

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>>741342409

>>741360468
Traditions are also good for giving a baseline way for people to behave when interacting with eachother, so you don't end up with 30 thousand tiny groups who all hate the rest because they're different.

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Is it terminal doc?

>>741379555
Checked
Trips of truth

>>741343210
my man.

>>741378872
Have you ever voted with enthusiasm?

>>741379717
That one was a month back
I'm taking a new one
I do feel more right wing tho
Imma find out

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>>741348424
>Libertarian Socialism
WTF is this shit?

Me

>>741342409
>https://8values.github.io/
I started and stopped. The questions would produce misleading answers... like, I am against oppression by corporations, but against them forcing everyone to embrace sexual deviance with their threats to boycott any state that wants to preserve human decency. So yeah, fuck corporations, but that's because I hate how they're driving progressive filth.

>>741380002
Had to stop and think on this one haha.

...Yeah a few times. Voted for a Senator once I really liked. A House member I liked, and a few local elections, but for POTUS, no, never got behind one option totally.

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i did this one a while back

>>741381207
I had to hold my nose when I voted for Marco Rubio this time, myself.

Who did you like the most during the primaries?

What do you think of Trump's work thus far?

>>741380002
Different anon, but never. It's generally a choice between completely fucking terrible in every possible way, and something worse.

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>>741379717
Brand new

>>741380002
Yes, different anon but still
It was in 2016
Voted for Trump
It was a very exciting night

>>741381504
Um lets see, During the Primaries, it was a toss up that I ended up narrowing it down to who's tax plan I liked best and that brought me to Ted Cruz...

Trump so far. Man I'll be real with everyone. I had hoped that he would actually "TRY", back in January, but he can't control himself with his social media addiction and it is annoying and holding him back, also his lack of communication between him and his Admin is choking their ability to govern. Also I think his lack of experience is a huge pitfall, and by that I mean he is very unused to the idea of checks and balances. He does not have sole authority to do what he wants, and I feel he hasn't learned that yet.

All that in addition to the leaks, the identity politics that has gripped the Congress, and the so called "deep state" meme, I don't know, so far I'd give the current Admin a C-.

I agree with some parts of his agenda so I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, I mean it is still early.
The wall is a waste of time/money. Just enforce current law please.
Fake News meme needs to die.

>>741377917
If you're under 18, you've never needed to support yourself, so your political ideologies are therefore invalid.

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27 years old, voted for sanders in the primaries.

Fucking hate Clinton, fairly well hate Trump but like him more than Killary.

Voted third party in the actual election to help boost their numbers, and because I couldn't get behind any of the actual candidates.

>>741377917
What did it say you were

>>741382595
Beautiful

>>741382759
>"deep state" meme

How do leaks happen?

>>741379582
>always immature
>/b/ is mature
I do t think the kid should be here but I have to disagree with you
This is /b/
Maturity just doesn't exist

>>741342409
this test is extremely usa-centric.

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>>741343210
My fucking man.

>>741382915
>Voted third party in the actual election to help boost their numbers, and because I couldn't get behind any of the actual candidates.

lol so Gary Johnson whose running mate said you should for Hillary or Jill Stein the Clinton surrogate?

>>741383169
Leaks have always been a thing in government, but this is ridiculous. Half time they are fake, or made up and all come from Anonymous sources. How do they happen? Could be some jr level intern looking to make a name, or a bitter employee, maybe. I don't know, but I don't think that every single one is some deep planted Obama/Clinton bureaucrat trying to destroy this Admin from the inside out. But maybe they are? But EVERY TIME a leak pops up its almost always from the "deep state"

Come on, 24 hour "news" networks will cling to anything thing for ratings

>>741383196
faggot

>>741383561
Nah, Jill Stein.

Didn't care much for her, but better than the others.

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>>741342409

>>741359684
Mine
>>741381642
Yours

Not bad.

>>741383609
But if they're just from some loser, why wasn't it like this in previous administrations?

Also, why wouldn't a wall make border enforcement easier?

>>741383724
She sure made a pretty penny off of all those idiots that donated towards a recount.

>>741383646
>faggot
Kek

>>741383861
>why wasn't it like this in previous administrations?
Hmph, I've already said I don't know, just my opinions. Maybe because of how anti-Trump the media is people who might not have normally leaked under, say Obama or Bush, are more inclined to do so for that "15 mins of fame" Thinking of that young girl that got busted a few months ago...Justice something, I can't remember. Didn't she do it because "fuck drumpf"

>why wouldn't a wall make border enforcement easier?
The Mexican border is long. The wall has to be big. That makes it's construction long and expensive. I think those funds could go elsewhere. But let's say its built. Will it really keep illegals from crossing? Sure foot traffic would drop by some degree I'm sure but enough to justify the cost? We won't until years later at any rate.
Wouldn't enforcing current law on the books have just a similar effect? Hell the say just Trump's rhetoric has caused foot traffic to drop.

>>741384678
>15 mins of fame

More like a week if you watch CNN.
I don't recall that girl.

The benefits of the wall are multifaceted.
Like you said, the number of illegals has drop just because of the language in the White House. No wall is impenetrable, but every hurdle discourages attempts.

A wall would make border and immigration enforcement easier due to there being fewer illegals in the country. It could be argued that maintaining a steel and concrete structure is cheaper than employing more ICE agents.

Where do you think this money could be better used?

>>741383022
A faggot

>>741385380
Dealing with Kessler syndrome in lieu of all the companies and entities trying to launch networks of satellites within the next decade.
Dealing with the issue/s of automation.
Dealing with opiod/drug addiction.
Dealing with so-called drug-infested New Hampshire and other alleged failing cities; dealing with inner cities.
Dealing with poverty.
Dealing with energy costs and energy generation; making investments and decommissioning expensive, aging energy generation plants for more efficient facilities.
Paying insurance companies the money the previous administration offered to settle with so they don't raise rates on Americans, all the while there not existing a replacement for the health care system let alone any known, foreseeable future of repeal.
Dealing with infrastructure across America.
Deciding to put more money in defense spending.
Dealing with public schooling.

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Social liberal here. But a few conservative aspects

>>741385380
>Where do you think this money could be better used?
Just off the top of my head without getting too long winded...Why not try, not spending? Our debt is growing by the minute.
On a real level, maybe into existing infrastructure that already exist, the roads, bridges and levees here in Louisiana are garbage.
Pump that billions into fixing the VA. The only group of people (just in my opinion) who should have true, free healthcare is our Vets.
I'm sure there are plenty of domestic issues needing more money. Public education is one. Trump did promise to help inner city families and schools during the campaign I believe.

>>741386475
like...