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>>741244917
Nice resolution kek

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>>741244786
One of god's perfect creations

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>>741244786
One of god's perfect child-rapists

>>741245150
All true, but you forgot the stupid, the frightened and the conceited.

>>741244786
You can be as arrogant as you want but that doesn't shroud your naivety to how the universe really works. You can only understand science in the context of religion. Sure, the gravitation constant might be described as 6.67408 × 10-11 m^3 kg^-1 s^-2 and plancks length might be described as 6.62607004 × 10-34 m^2 kg s^-1 but an you tell me WHY those are the constants? No, you can't becoase those only provide DESCRIPTIONS of natural phenomena. Only God knows the answer to why and unless you give to him your everything, you won't ever know.

>Mic drop

>>741245851
faggot forgets multiverse theory

>>741245851
Dude that's only fucking conventions

>>741245989
Well Fod is an all knowing and all present being. God rules them all so your point is completly relevant. Try again

>>741246002
What's "only conventions"? O dropped a lot of truths so you need to be more specific

>>741245851
Someone explain this to me please. What's he trying to say?

>>741244786
more like
>too stupid to understand that most humans need an underlining moral structure to fall back on and that society has its roots in religious cooperation because a common faith allows strangers to work together without suspicion

>to stupid to understand that/ try pretending to understand science by sharing IFLS shit on facebook.

>>741245851
>Sure, the gravitation constant might be described as 6.67408 × 10-11 m^3 kg^-1 s^-2 and plancks length might be described as 6.62607004 × 10-34 m^2 kg s^-1 but an you tell me WHY those are the constants? No, you can't becoase those only provide DESCRIPTIONS of natural phenomena.
Alright, I'm on board, you're making sense so far.

>Only God knows the answer
Woah! Back up. Show your work, please. At no point did you even hint at a reason for this leap in logic.

>>741245851
1. Which god?
2. Define that god
3. Provide evidence for the existence of that god

Until you do all three, your opinion is less than a fart in the breeze.

>>741246323
>because a common faith allows strangers to work together without suspicion

Yeah, like priests and young boys.

>>741246199
Those constants you proposed.

>>741246318
He trying to express his desire for dicks

>>741246318
Yeah, wtf is going on?

>>741246482
kek

>>741246417
no, more like how the egyptians went from hunting and gathering in small tribes to building vast cities and temples in the space of a couple hundred years. because of a shared faith and strong communal ties that came from that shared faith.

>>741246495
Just a faggot that thinks constants were picked by God

>>741246534
Brief summary of constants?

>>741246563
e, pi, 9.81m/s

>>741246518
Clearly has nothing to do the rise of agricultural

>>741246518
WE

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>>741246563
> the gravitation constant might be described as 6.67408 × 10-11 m^3 kg^-1 s^-2
Fag thinks God decided the number. That is just a result of calculations based on historical unit conventions.

I think that's the simple written difference between the concepts of a God that purposefully created a rule-bound universe, and a universe that happens to exist and follows a concrete set of rules. Even if you think that only a God could create the concrete rules our universe, that speaks nothing as to who that God is. A manipulator, a bored all-powerful being with an afternoon off? A creator and the christian God are vastly different concepts and proving one is necessary but NOT SUFFICIENT for proving the other.

>>741246622
you're implying that the rise of agriculture had nothing to do with religion? go and read some egyptiqan history, pantheism allowed the rise of farming in the nile valley because, as I've said, farming requires a lot of cooperation between strangers to do effectivly. Everywhere you find early farming you also find early temples.

>>741244786
Too stupid to understand religion? Try atheism!

>>741246655
i'm a white celt, im using it as an example, also egyptians were not black.

>>741246692
I feel retarded.. What's unit conventions? What's a constant? A number that just keeps going like pi?

>>741246760
lmao

>>741246737
No I'm implying the rise of agriculture is what seeding cities and town. Religion is just a form of social control for an uneducated public. It's easier to control dumb people if they think sky daddy will get upset if they kill in an otherwise mostly lawless and uneducated land.

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>>741246855
samefag

>>741244786
>clamis to understand science but cant provide enough information about what happens after death

>>741246881
played into his hands, nigger. That's organized religion. And a better argument for you is to say that tradition and law have the same effect.

>>741245851
>DESCRIPTIONS of natural phenomena.
>natural phenomena.
>natural

So let me tell you all about my unfounded supernatural assertions...

>>741246907
No one can you fucking idiot.

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>>741246919
As a form of social control for dumb people. Agriculture started the formation of cites, not religion as he said.

>>741247072
I agree with you, I'm just trying to make you shortcut to the part where you win the argument.

>>741244786
What about buddhism tho?I think it has some nice points besides the karma thing

>>741245851
>God
>him
So God is a man? He is human then or an alien? Let's not forget everything in the universe is math. Math was created by studying nature and everything in it.
>mic drop

>>741246800
From wiki: "The metre was originally defined in 1793 as one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the North Pole. In 1799, it was redefined in terms of a prototype metre bar (the actual bar used was changed in 1889). In 1960, the metre was redefined in terms of a certain number of wavelengths of a certain emission line of krypton-86. In 1983, the current definition was adopted."

People in the past decided how much a meter is based on some known unchanging distance.
Based on how long they decided a meter to be, they measured everything and the future calculations human kind made is all influenced by that decision. Someone once did some calculation to determine the formula for gravitational pull. They had a fixed number in their formula defined as G. That number is not defined by God, but is a result of their calculations which are based on the length they decided to be a meter.

>>741244786

According to current understanding of the human brain consciousness is electrical signals and when brain activity stops there is know possible way to perceive anything at all. I mean sure i'd love there to be some wonderful afterlife but that's just my educated guess.

>>741247124
I'm trying to point religion is only here for population control of an uneducated public. When it comes to religion Anything beyond teaching basic morals is pure bullshit

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>>741247272
>I'm smart
>uses "know" instead of "no"
>no what I mean
>know you don't

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>>741247409
fuck you i'm tired. and I never said I was smart.

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>>741244786
Hitch smacking down the fedora wearing neck-beards without even breaking a sweat.

>>741247570
to be fair Islam was the primary cause of the dark ages and our fall from knowledge

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>>741247620
I thought it was the mini ice age

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>>741246165
>"Nuh uh I'm right you're wrong"
Argue an actual point faggot

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>>741247808
What's wrong with them? Did they kill people because they don't believe in their sky daddy?

>>741247436
arguing as a religious person
>someone has a decent argument or catches your hypocrisy
>point out spelling errors and/or criticize their way of distributing the argument without commenting on it.

Tbh i dont know why athiests go out of their way to tell other people that their ideals are wrong. I dont "believe" in god either, but for alot of people, religion is their livelyhood. As long as they arent hurting anyone i dont see why we cant just let them believe what they want.

>>741247986
I agree with you, but the problem is alot of the time religion does hurt people.

>>741247986
Maybe because religion is a root cause of conflict in the world? Maybe because religion caused one of the biggest intellectual growth stunts of all time in western Europe? Oh, or maybe because religious people are still butchering thousands of people for not believing in their story book

>>741247986
It's when they start trying to push their shit off as correct while science is wrong and that their untested and unproven ideas need to be taught in public schools is what pisses me off about it

>>741247261
Ah thanks man! Finally a good response.

>>741248190
Can you fucking read? I said "as long as they arent hurting anyone". Obviously those radical things are bad. But why should we bash the people who arent hurting people?

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more of god's beautiful creatures

>>741248154
Yes unfortunately there is an extremist minority to everything

>>741248352
Agreed

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>>741248190
I think religion very rarely hurts people, religion is an excuse for violence to happen, but not the direct cause. Take the catholics for example, they were very harmful but religion was being used to socially control their people and convince them to go to war for very non-religious reasons, such as, We want more land to grow additional crops. War is fought over property and items, religion is the excuse so the impoverished individuals(the ones most likely to believe in a reward at some point in their difficult lives) will fight that war.

On another token religion is highly beneficial for people. It created an external locus of control, which is one of the most comforting things a lot of folks can experience. When you've just accidentally killed your husband after failing to do CPR correctly maybe you can forgive yourself if you just remember that it could've been his time anyway and he was going to a better place... Religion is fascinating because it is at the same time something that is a cause for an incredible pain to thousands of people, and at the same time a source of comfort to unfortunate souls who have no other refuge.

TLDR; Religion serves a purpose, faggots use it to manipulate world issues and cause harm.

>>741248367
Because they're dumb?
Or if not dumb, then lying to themselves?
Or they're cowards who fear death?

Fuck that shit. Truth comes first. At least lying must be exposed if truth cannot be attained (fuck your "truth is subjective" bullshit philosophy)

>>741248367
Can you read, retard? Sure, not all modern religtards are hurting people, good for them, it still doesn't explain why they use religion as an excuse to cop out of something they dont know or understand. Dont you think if we abandoned religion and actually started believing in science and facts instead of invisible sky people and magical snakes, we'd actual begin to develop as a race, and start to further develop our societies?

>>741248590
lol retarded

>>741248154
>A lot of the time it doesn't hurt people
Really? Have you even takin into account the bloodshed at the hands of every religion in history? That very naive of you.

>>741248542
>ich is one of the most comforting things a lot of folks can experience. When you've just accidentally killed your husband after failing to do CPR correctly maybe you can forgive yourself if you just remember that it could've been his time anyway and he was going to a better place
Or be real with your self and realize CPR only has like a 30% success rate

>>741248624
Yes. If they cant accept reality then who are we to try and drag them back to it? Why not just let them live up in the clouds? They arent hurting anybody and couldnt care less about what you think, so why even try? Youre wasting your time, dude. Get a life.

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>>741244786
well, I'm not religious but I will have to say if you don't believe in something divine then you're an idiot

>>741247986
Well it is hurting everyone who believes in it. Lying to people, giving false hope and misguided morals and taking their money to start. Molesting kids, oh and how many lives have been taken in the name of all religions. >But as long as they're not hurting anyone.
You're fucking stupid anon.

>>741248651
Sure, and that would be great. But the fact of the matter is they couldnt give two fucks about what you think and will continue to do what they do. So whats the point in shoving your beliefs in someones face?

>>741248542
Really? It rarely hurts people? So I guess the muslims decapitating children, and blowing themselves up in the center of an airport aren't acting under the guise of religion? What about the crusades? Were those wars fought for items or possessions, or was it driven by religion?

>>741248775
u wot m8

>>741245040
but how she ment 2 get 2 heven and enjoy lyf if she knows no pain bruhhhh??? Atjiests checkem

>>741248624
Also philosophy is desire for knowledge and seeking for truth. It might not be scientific, but at least is true in its goal to investigate truth. Religions are nothing like that, they just want to prove they're right which it's possibly the most opposite thing to seeking truth.

>>741248874
tl;dr

>>741246760
Kek

>>741248752
If they can't accept reality don't you think they belong in a mental hospital? They should at least be stripped of their voting rights and any other right that might dictate the lives of others.

And also everyone with an IQ less than 100.

>>741246907
>>clamis to understand science but cant provide enough information about what happens after death
You rot and decay. How is that "not enough information"?

>>741248775
Lol so we're just supposed to have "faith"

>>741248920
Yeah philosophy is good but using it for semantics is bad is all I'm saying.

>>741248542
> I think religion very rarely hurts people
Most time religions are a list of stuff people should feel ashamed of and feel bad with themselves for doing/thinking about them. But that's not hurting anyone of course..

>>741248879
Same can be asked to them. Why do the feel the need to shove the bible, tora, or the quran in people's faces when they know it wont get them anywhere?

But to answer your question, just because people are set in their ways doesn't mean they're fucking immovable. It's not like their brains lock down once they've become religious. Surprisingly, us humans have the ability to learn, and change our minds. And dont you think it'd be extremely counter productive for the smartest members of society to just sit on their asses and just say "Well they're saying they dont believe me, I guess it's time to throw in." If we all believed like that, we'd be absolutely fucking nowhere as a species.

>>741249050
Agreed

>>74124914
If we all thought like that*

>>741249140
>>741249206
Oh fuck it, you know what I meant.

>>741248892
Perfect example of my point, they are, in fact, working under the GUISE of religion. I think the terrorism going on remains acts of terrorism, being manipulated through religion. But not simply the practice of being Muslim. I.E. religion is involved, but not the cause of the harm being done, merely the excuse. This is especially insidious because people in general will blame the religion directly serving to further alienate the countries that harbor these terrorists and increasing the resentment and likelihood of fostering an increased number of said terrorists.

>>741248190
>Maybe because religion is a root cause of conflict in the world?
Bullshit. More often than not, religion is a pretext for the conflict, not the actual cause.

>>741248727
blind/10

>>741248871
Youre a fucking idiot, anon. Religon is a pretext to those things, not the cause. PEOPLE did those things and used religion as an excuse.

>>741248685
Schizoid more than just dumb, IMO. But I guess you could classify that as retarded anyway.

>>741248892
>What about the crusades?
They were mostly defensive wars against Arab and Moor expansion. Religion was just how they were sold to the masses.

>>741249240
Well, in cases like Islam, I can and will blame the religion, because in nature it's barbaric. It's one thing to kill under the guise of religion, but it's another when your religions bible tells you that you may kill apostates, non-believers, and infidels. But yes, the religion isn't to blame.

>>741249375
Not always.. Sometimes the religion caused it. But you're right. Religion has mostly been a tool to control the stupid people by the higherups.

>>741246323
Religion was invented to keep the poor from killing the rich.

>>741249261
Well I was being a bit hyperbolic but my point still stands. An example being, had we not believed in religion, it would have been much harder to justify fighting over a town made of clay bricks and sand.

>>741249140
I guess you have a point there. But shoving your beliefs down someones throat and saying "YOURE WRONG" certainly cant be getting us anywhere. People just need to take a calmer approach to it IMO

When youre so insecure about the possibility of God's existence you create a anti religion thread.

Atheists are pretty fuckin backwards lol

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>>741244786
Religiousfag here. Let me critique:
>>741244786
Not triggered.
>>741244917
Not triggered.
>>741244987
Mildly triggered.
>>741245040
Just a beauty of nature.
>>741245129
Is that leonardo dicaprio
>>741245150
Not triggered.
>>741246673
Not triggered. Mildly funny.
>>741247436
Only triggering because of the hardcore smug fedora culture of Atheists.
>>741247634
Not triggering.
>>741247808
Uncle phil
>>741247892
Old meme, not triggering
>>741248008
LOL reminds me a facebook post of someone calling a moth a fairy
>>741248368
uncle henry
>>741248590
tl;dr, if it's not the Bible™ I can't be arsed
>>741248832
*save*
>>741248874
Not the bible
>>741249235
not the bible
>>741249360
not bible

>>741249524
this.

It's time we got to purging the rich.

>>741249375
Religion>selling tickets to heaven.
Get real man

>>741249587
I agree with that. I dont think those forcing their beliefs on another is any better than someone else doing it, but eventually people need to realize that in events of disaster, be it natural, man made, or extraterrestrial, their god(s) wont be there to save them, only their fellow man and the knowledge each one holds

>>741249682
Lol, what a fucking autistic retard.

>>741249703
That's right....but not today I have to go to work.

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>>741245851
>You can only understand science in the context of religion
no
>only god knows
u didnt even prove god to begin with, let alone that he knows or that hes the only 1, who does
the constants r as they, cuz theres no other way they could be. And since the universe had to exist, this is how it exists

>>741249781
I couldnt agree more

>>741249848
Nice nudge to the wage slavery. Agree with that too.

>>741249417
They were also about spending their beliefs to others or they would be killed. Don't try n make light of a bad thing. Religion is one of the three evils in the world. Wanna be spiritual? Fine by me but belonging to any kind of organized cult has never been for the greater good of mankind.
>mic drop

>>741246323
>need morality
>religion is the only source of it
>1st there was religion, then society came to be
>only religion allows ppl to cooperate. Nvm desire to survive, or to send probes to pluto. Or ANY OTHER GOAL
>religious ppl work with each-other without suspicion

denied, sit down

>>741248367
The United States currently has an authoritarian bible literalist running their education system. She got there by "donating" hundreds of thousands of dollars to various republicans. She has stated on multiple occasions that she wants to privatize education so that it won't be subject to the constitutional limitations currently set on the government. She wants to teach evolution and creationism (full blown 6000-year-old earth creationism) as equally supported by science, she wants to dedicate an equal amount of teacher's time to both.
Of course, they have no idea what do if a kid says, "but I’m Muslim". Will they start teaching the Koran in school too? With equal time as science? What about the Hindus? Are we going to end up with 1/8th of the kid’s "science" classes actually being about science? It’s obvious that this would be a disaster for anyone forced to be in the school system as this happens.
I seriously hope we don't end up with private schools opening up specifically marketing themselves as not being Christian propaganda stations. That would be a truly depressing nail in the coffin of freedom.

>>741250036
nicely done b/ro

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>>741249812
Hey now, that's more like it!
Triggered.

>>741248542
>religion very rarely hurts people
religions the only thing, that makes good ppl do bad things

>>741249682
Why don't u use the brain and the conscience you have (or was given) to investigate the possible truths about common human miseries (why are we here, what's our purpose, who made the universe etc.), eventually shaping a God for yourself? Why do you have to fallow millennial frauds made by people in the form of stupid shit which peeks on human common weaknesses (fear: you go to hell!, shame: if you repent you'll be forgiven, self-esteem: if you fallow these rules you're a good man) and bragging about stuff any decent human being should be able to do by itself (help those in need, keep care of itself etc.)?

>>741250243
>religions the only thing, that makes good ppl do bad things
-karl sagon

>>741244786
If anyone thinks science is a substitute for religion they don't understand the point of either

>>741249417
More denial, really? How would you know that religion was sold after the fact? It was arguably the golden age for Islam, and Islamic expansion. Surprise, the Arabs and moors believed in Islam, or derivatives of Islam.
"Noo, they just used religion as a cover to take more land and expand"
Then fucking prove it. Because 900 AD - 1700 were some of the darkest times in history, thanks to religion. From wars ending with millions dead, burning people for witchcraft because they were taught that witches were spawns of lucifer, half of europe dying from disease because they were told god was angry, and only god could protect them. Need more?

>>741250036
>sit down

You need to go back.

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>>741250165

I have a PhD in Astrophysics and am a Christian. There are several of us out there. Stop spreading the myth that science and religion are incompatible. They aren't.

>>741250322
-black science guy

>>741250356
/thread

>>741250378
no, u

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>>741249682
save them, brother
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>>741250366
Your version of history is wrong.

>>741250536
Then prove it retard, dont just tell me im wrong.

>>741245851
Mic drop? How old are you 8?

>>741249682
>old meme
So is saying "god did it" but that hasn't stop you faggots

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>>741250899
ITT: Faggot thinks he's an oldfag because he says newfag

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>>741250036
>Claims religion is the only source of morality
>Forgets that murder is rare in animals who don't have religion.
>Forgets that isolated tribes don't murder or steal
Morals are natural and those without religion still have morals.

>>741251372
u know its a fake?

>>741250391
Well that just proves that education doesn't stop you from being easily fooled

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>>741244786
OP is every bit as dogmatic as any religious zealot. A common trap for modern kids- all the righteousness with none of the morals

>>741250391
intelligence or education is not related to mental illness, meaning u can have delusions regardless
there r more atheists in scientific community, than in general population
any1, who goes to college and finishes it has "phd" and still majority of ppl r religious
u r retarded

>>741251655
So true

>>741251785
Athiesists have morals. Murder is still wrong whether you invisible friend says it is or not. Athiesists have to be good people because this is all we have. Religious nuts can be assholes as long as they believe because they will go to the magical sky palace after death

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>>741251632
Its not fake carbon dating is not a real way to measure age it uses radiation to measure when Jesus acceded to heaven he was pure radiation.

>>741251785
u cant define dogma, clearly

>>741251920
Yeah it's just a coincidence that it appears in history the same year it carbon dates to

>>741251920
its fake. Its been "found" in france in XIII century. Carbon dating is a good measuring method.
>acceded
prove jesus, went to heaven, and as radiation

>>741251874
Most religious people do it for the safe community of sane and traditional people that it provides. You dont want your children being corrupted by degenerate sophistic slaves who simply worship other humans and companies while claiming to be enlightened themselves

>>741251920
I thought he went to heaven bodily? Why would he need to convert to radiation? Wouldnt his followers have died of cancer when he came back then?

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>>741251998
get a clue your science is flawed there are trees that date to 1000 years in the future do to radiation.

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Christfag here. None of this bothers me at all. As I was telling my wife, when you're straight and white and male and Christian, you get used to all the sub-tier groups trying to knock you off the top of the hill. I can't remember a time when I wasn't the media and the left's favorite target. It all just becomes white noise after a while. The people who are most easily triggered are the ones not used to being mocked all day every day in mainstream discourse. That's why no one has to apologize for making fun of white people or Christians or men, but if you say something about jigs or atheists or women, everyone comes after you.
I went to a museum exhibit once called Taboo that was all "sacrilegious" art making fun of Christ and the crucifixion. After five or six of the same half-assed moves, what was supposed to be shocking (Mickey Mouse on the cross, the crucifix in urine, a Bible with nails driven through it) was just boring.
Atheists are actually kind of lazy thinkers.

>>741252188
how bout u show the peer-reviewed papers on that?

>>741251874
Why is murder wrong? Because YOU say it is. Why would anyone care what you think?

>>741252111
Athiesists aren't any more prone to worshipping other people than religious people. I would say the opposite. Athiesists are skeptical of all people and ideas so they don't worship anything.

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>>741252111
> safe community of sane and traditional people
Implying self-frustrating, appearance obsessed, self righteous people are sane.

>>741252200
show us the evidence for god

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>>741250366
>More denial, really? How would you know that religion was sold after the fact? It was arguably the golden age for Islam, and Islamic expansion. Surprise, the Arabs and moors believed in Islam, or derivatives of Islam.
Which... doesn't really have anything to do with what I said. Fucking try to actually READ the posts you reply to, idiot.

>>741252253
Murder is wrong because I wouldn't want to be murdered. Even animals know that murder is wrong.

So many edgy little faggots in this thread. Very glad most of you wont reproduce

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>>741252160
What happens to a body when it leaves earth all the water gets sucked out.

>>741252200
You voted for Trump, right? I'm pretty sure the bible says he's the second coming of Christ as prophesied to come and save all the white Christian males from being made fun of.

>>741252387
So Jesus was a raisin?

>>741252387
what?

>>741248368
Patton Oswalt?

>>741244786
>religion and science are the same thing

wrong.

>>741252374
Is it edgy to use critical thinking?

>>741252412
I voted for Trump solely in the hopes of triggering libcucks. Every time they riot and mess up their own towns it makes my day a perfect 10

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>>741252240
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nuclear-bombs-made-it-possible-to-carbon-date-human-tissue-20074710/

>>741252260
>Athiesists aren't any more prone to worshipping other people than religious people.
Most atheists are buddhists.

>>741252525
>Voted for a president to troll
>Is religious

Yup makes sense

>>741246318
>>741246495

He saying that religion is the "why?" science is the "how"

>>741252566
What? Either you're joking or are an idiot

>>741252326
Why would I show you the evidence for God? I only became a believer after years of thinking and reading, not because of some meme or two sentence proof.
>>741252412
No, I didn't vote for Trump. He is a vile human being. I couldn't vote for Hillary either, obviously. So I voted down ticket races seriously, and for president wrote in SMOD.
Is it not interesting how your thinking is so knee-jerk and stereotyping, the way atheists describe Christian thinking?

i prayed for a new bicycle. i never got one
i went out and stole one, then prayed for forgiveness. all is well in the universe.

>>741252605
So how to you reconcile the falsities that science points out in religion

>>741252347
That is not a reason not to murder. I would not want to have my stuff stolen, but I benefit from stealing other people's stuff.
You're trying to apply the golden rule, which comes from religion. Without religion, it is easy to dismiss.

>>741252624
Look up the definition of Athiesm.

Buddhism doesn't have a God

>>741252624
t. Someone who doesn't know what "atheist" means.

>>741252514
Who's doing that?

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>>741252478
When your voice comes out of the phone on the other end was transfered using protocols the same happen when Jesus left earth he arrived in the body.

>>741252725
Look up Buddhism. Buddhism is full of buddhas who are gods

>>741252682
Like what? the earth wasnt actually created in 7 days?

Do you want to have a grown up conversation or just be a retard.

>>741252671
I like the way your thinking on the cosmos never advanced past second-grade level.

This whole thread is a fucking cringefest with atheists thinking themselves to somehow be smarter just because they don't believe in God. Not because they're genuinely intellectually gifted.

Religion provides an idea that death is not the end. Why do we need this, because of the fear of death, which is an extension of the fear of the unknown. To truly understand what happens to you when you die, you need tk be able to understand what it is to not exist. This is impossible, as every thought you have hinges on your conscious being present, existing in other words. You can't visualise, imagine, etc what not existing is like, simply because your mind can't. Nothingness is something our brains are hardwired to not understand, but we have come close with the creation of Zero, which immediately gives it a quantifiable element, it is possible, for example, to have no apples and we can understand that, what we can't understand is not having our consciousness, as that requires us to not exist. Another example is what would it be like to be born blind when you already have sight. A person can make themselves blind, and the experience is said to be like staring into absolute darkness, but you can still visualise. People born blind have never seen anything, so it is impossible to know what they might perceive the visual elements of being blind or if they can visualise at all outside of their normal senses that work. Try to think of what it's like to be blind and you'll be confronted with what it's like to be made blind, not born blind, as it's impossible for the seeing to understand the complete lack of sight from birth, having never known it in the first place. Now in this instance we can experiment, ask, and take brain scans to get an idea, we still can't know what they 'see. The same is true of death and not existing but this instance is terrifying. Latching onto the idea that you don't simply end and there is something afterwards is automatic for us.

>>741244786

derp

>>741252544
this isnt a peer-reviewed study
if its true, its gonna affect PRECISE dating of the things in This century
We can ACCOUNT for that in the future
there r other radioactive dating methods available

>>741252804
>Age of the earth
>The flood
>Jews never being enslaved
>Basically the entire old testament being made up stories

>>741252643
why wouldnt u? Is it cuz u have none? What convinced u?

>>741252832
There are a lot of anti-religion, particularly anti-catholic people that call themselves atheist.

We get it, you didnt like sunday school and you are mad at your family.

a true atheist (as I like to think of myself) wouldn't give a fuck about people practicing a religion. I dont have a vendetta for my pastor shaming me for masturbating when I was 11 like many internet "atheists" seem to have,

>>741244987
i had this thought in college and i was worried about losing my faith so i emailed my pastor and he didnt give me a good answer, so now i'm going to hell i guess.

>>741252785
what?

>>741252971
And if you don't believe in those things where do you draw the line?

>>741250366
The Black Plague was somehow thanks to religion. Totally ignores world wars that had nothing to do with religion. And the millions that died because of atheist communist. These numbers easily dwarf any middles ages killings you can pull up.

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It's interesting how if you google search Christian art, you get statues by Bellini, Byzantine icons, paintings by renaissance masters, and of course some sentimental junk as well. But if you google atheist art, all you get is shit-tier adolescent memes.

>>741252971

So you are mad that the bible isnt literally true?

what? Our civilization isnt allowed to have stories and myths?

>>741245851
you are either a troll or very stupid

>>741252804
parting of red sea
resurrection
humans living over 100 years
adam and eve

>>741252860
That greatly oversimplifies what religion provides.

>>741250366
>900 AD - 1700 were some of the darkest times in history, thanks to religion.

But thats fucking wrong you absolute retard.

>>741244786
I dont know why people think science is truth... cause its not. Fuck, half the shit they teach hasnt even been proven and considered theories. Science isnt as flawed as religion but none the less its flawed. Science is not truth.

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>>741252788
you are wrong Buddhism is a discipline not a religion Buddha never claimed to be a God he only attained enlightenment he found God as the Bible said search and you will find knock and it will be opened unto you. Enlightenment is eternal peace through Jesus Christ.

>>741253082
so everything but all powerful, merciful, loving god isnt made up? How did u figure out god is the only real thing in the book?

>>741253037
I have no vendetta against anyone. I couldnt care less what someone believes. Until they try and shame me or tell me I am a bad person because I don't believe in what they believe. Most of my family is religious and I love them they are great and can have an intelligent discussion. My in-laws on the other hand think I am the devil and try to get my wife to leave me

>>741253118
So you are mad that the tales in an ancient book written over centuries and designed for uneducated farmers arent literally true.

>>741253188
is*

>>741253220
so u r mad, that god isnt real?

>>741253059
I see what you're saying but WW2 had at least something to do with religion

>>741253144
>Fuck, half the shit they teach hasnt even been proven and considered theories
No shit, idiot. There's no such thing as "proven" in science, there are only theories that either get disproven or don't. Quantum electrodynamics is just a theory, but you're still shitposting from a computer that wouldn't work without it.

>>741253144
>just a theory

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>>741253188
>>741253260

Im not religious but im also not an annoying internet atheist.

Your perception of religion is inhernity childish, any 12 year old with half a brain can come to the conclusion that its all bullshit.

Thats not the point, the point of religion is the tales that we base our civilization off of . How to live and what makes a good person.

Just like the USA has its own "myth" of itself that informs our law and culture.

Think a little harder you faggot.

>>741252832
Science does show that more intelligent someone is, the less religious they tend to be. Although that doesn't apply to everyone. You will have scientist-like religious people and nigger-like Non-religious people. I'd also like to think that your being retarded for thinking that all those Christ-hating posters are Fedora wearing athiest and not some Christfags wanting to troll their Bible-thumping friends

>>741252987
Do you not have any deeply-held beliefs that you formed over many years? Is everything you believe based on an encounter with a text that would fit on a fortune cookie?
To cite one example, in graduate school, I encountered deconstruction and the idea that without some transcendent signifier, no signification was grounded enough to have any stable meaning. I lived with that idea uneasily for years, and then encountered Aquinas and later Thomists who made a persuasive case that meaning was possible, that it did indeed require a transcendent signifier, and that that signifier was God.
I'm shortening and cheapening the point they made, because it is complex and nuanced philosophy, not a meme, and it can't be argued out with a jpeg and a smirk. But I found the argument persuasive.

>>741253200
you literally just stated you dont like it because someone shamed you.

Probably because you deserved to be fucking shamed.

>>741253367
>any 12 year old with half a brain can come to the conclusion that its all bullshit
looks like they dont have that half

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>>741252915
this world is much older than science even believes it to be it has been laid waste many times over by many powerful beings Satan's children were wiped of the face of the earth by God many times.

>>741253178
Siddhartha, or Buddha as you call him, was a hindu aristocrat. He achieved enlightenment through giving up possessions and desires. He then became A Buddha, or enlightened one. There are many Buddhas, boddisatvas and deities on Buddhism. Avalokiteśvara being one of the biggest ones

>>741253305
Look at this fuckin idiot.

>>741253431
>nihilism got to me, so i needed a comforting belief
the difference between me and u is that my beliefs r formed based on reality, not based on what feels good
theres no inherent meaning to anything and theres no god to make it meaningful. Universe didnt need a creator
u r a weakling, that cant find himself a meaning. U shouldve killed yourself back then

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>>741244786

>>741253462
also, it looks like most atheists made up their minds at age 12, when everyone is a retard

>>741253488
listen here, u retarded fuck. School starts soon, so go school supplies shopping, get a notebook and a pen and pay attention in the language class, especially during the time, when they talk bout punctuation. Im not gonna be guessing wtf r u trying to say, on top of knowing u r delusional

>>741244786
seeing 13yr olds on an image board trying to sell the idea that they are scientific thinkers because they are mad at their religious parents always makes me smile a bit :)

thanks

>>741253660
Like I said, it's easy for atheists to smirk, and your little strawman argument there is just the reason why discussing religion with atheists is mostly pointless. Atheists aren't actually capable of addressing ideas.

>>741253708
what r u saying? That atheists dont have half a brain, or that they r the 1s, who actually do, to prove the point, that any 12yo with half a brain can figure it out?

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>>741244786
trump is christian. fuck this thread, you & your uneducated non-masonic ass.

>>741253786
i dont see u providing evidence of god.
U wanting to have a meaning doesnt make god real, u fuckin retard
its easy for us to smirk, cuz we r right

>>741253660

Look, I know your 15 and school is tough or whatever but the concept he is going over is the human need for meaning.

If nothing means anything than why dont we all just kill ourselves?? What does it matter? why work? why raise a family?

Do you see why over thousands of years myths and legends have occurred to satisfy mans need for meaning.

What do you think priests, and philosophers write about and talk about all fucking day?

You are failing completely to see how religion develops, like an organism, and without it our notions of freedom, liberty, democracy, human dignity would not be what they are today.

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>>741253513
There are many saints too but only one God friend.

>>741245851
>Sure you can say '2 + 2 = 4' but WHY does 2 + 2 = 4? Only God knows the answer

>>741244786
Atheists: the idea of a creator is nonsense and unscientific.
Also atheists: the universe was a magic nothing that exploded for no reason and created life by a infinite number of mathematically impossible accidental mutations.

Where did all the mass and energy come from? It can neither be created nor destroyed according to science.

>>741251837
clearly you never went to college. "any1 who goes to college and finishes it" doesn't have a PhD, they only have a PhD if they go to college, finish it, apply to grad school, get a masters degree and then get a PhD.

You'd be surprised how many religious scientists there are. They just can't advertise it anymore because of all the intolerance from militant atheists.

>>741253930
how does that make god real?
u stupid bitch - how come all the atheists found themselves a meaning or reason to live?
U know what happened to all the life, that didnt have self-preservation instinct?

>>741253940
you got rekt already, though. shut up.

>from: not the guy that dropped the mic.

>>741253900

To steal a line from South Park, when billions of people believe god is real, doesn't that sort of make it de facto real?

They usually start you off with descartes in college.

Check it out.

>>741253963
There certainly will always be questions that we don't know the answer to. But that doesn't mean there must be a god.

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>>741244786
>Implying Carry your suffering (cross)
>Not understanding symbols
>Shiggy diggy doo

>>741252832
Actually being against religions and not believing in God are quite different things. In fact the very point is religions making up shit to spread human made convenient representations of a divine entity. Science and spirituality don't exclude each other, but science and made up unfounded assertions do. Why should we give money to and empower people who are just mere humans that are part of historical organized frauds and tell us what to fear, what to feel ashamed for and what how to behave?

>>741253963
it always has been there and there wasnt a before
no1 says nothing exploded
we dont know enough about "nothing" to actually rule that out anyway
occams razor

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>>741253708
triggering successful!

>>741254051
Can you stop spelling you with a u

its obnoxious. And you are clearly a fucking retard because you are not picking up on the higher concept here.


science is not a religion, it is not a replacement for religion or the cure to religion, the operate in two entirely different spheres.

>>741253367
>Im not religious but im also not an annoying internet atheist.
I think you're annoying, so I guess you're wrong, Mr. Annoying Atheist.

>>741254066
argument from popularity fallacy
different ways of existing. God exists as an idea, not as a thing outside of minds
they usually start with logic and philosophy course in college, check it out

>>741248368
Holy WTF

>>741254183
theres no higher concept. God isnt real and he thinks it is, cuz it makes him feel good, cuz he doesnt care bout whats real.

>>741253367
>How to live and what makes a good person.
"Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!" - Psalm 137:9

"And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire." - Leviticus 21:9

More like how to be ISIS.

>>741254356
then he ground other beliefs on that, like praying gonna fix his problems, instead of working to fix them and that once he dies hell go to heaven, not to the ground and that its moral to stone gays

>>741244786
Atheists are fucking retards. They took a method designed to study the natural world, applied it to supernatural concepts, DIDNT FIND SHIT, and said "Fuck it! theres nothing there!" GENIUS! Next time you get a boner, crash that bad boy into a solid wall a dozen or so times then say "theres no such thing as pussy!" and tell me you arent a retard, you fucking retards!

>>741254455
so how did u determine the existence of supernatural, if its impossible to do so?

>>741254277
Holy fucking christ dude, you are trying to disprove something that cant be disprove.

>>741254356
>>741254377

Single lines with no context? I dont even know why I bother with you fags. Religion is an incredibly powerful institution in our civilization, weather you like it or not and it would behoove yourselves to understand it a little better.

It has also confounded and convinced far more intelligent people than you.

Maybe "LOL its dumb" isnt the most informed position to take.

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>>741254277

For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

>>741254611
no, u r trying to believe sth, that cant be proved to be true
How is power an indicator of their core beliefs being true?
We understand it well, thats why we dont follow it, cunt
As i mentioned, mental illness doesnt correlate with intelligence - just cuz they mightve been intelligent doestn mean they cant be delusional or have a weak mind and be convinced with emotional arguments

>>741248154
So does ideology. Violent people will find a way to be violent no matter what.

>>741254611
>Single lines with no context?
in what context is it ok to dash babies against rocks, or burn your daughter?

>>741254859
sophistry

>>741254668
Cool! New game: spot the differences.
The one on the right has a grenade, the one of the left doesn't.

>>741248832

> Religious Anon posts incorrect pic in Atheist thread

>>741254455
Science is used to understand why things happen and why they do. Religion was used to explain things we don't understand and why they do.

>>741254944
does a grenade make right?

>>741255008
nah. religion was used to explain things, when they were too dumb to invent science. Now its used to explain things, when u r too dumb to understand science

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>>741254859

The grass withereth, the flower fadeth:
but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

>>741254923
yes because all of those people following stone age laws in Christianity these days.

>>741254872
The Judean/christian bible is the foundation for our legal system, our society, and our culture.

I dont know why this is hard for you to understand. It has nothing to do with believing it or not, it is.

You follow it and you dont even realize that you do

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>>741255103
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

>>741255168
its not, Hammurabi code is the foundation. Which is based on empathy and social instincts.
Religion brought nothing new, nor better. How hard is it for u to understand?
Why dont we allow to stone gays and disobedient children, then? Why isnt adultery a crime anymore?

>>741255147
>The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

uh, yea. we have NONE of the original copies of any of the books of the bible.

And we have multiple copies of later versions, and the copies don't match. We see verses edited in about the trinity and the resurrection that were not in earlier copies.

Yes, if the bible were unchanged thru history, maybe that would have said something about its accuracy. So the that fact that it has not stood unchanged thru history also says something about its accuracy.

>>741255380
none of this is true.

>>741254668
One actually commits acts of terrorism on innocent people. (Kabab on the right)

Christians are the most persecuted religion on Earth. Go ask the ones in Syria who died from ISIS death squads. Faggot

>>741250163

Nice. A perfect example of how religion is negatively affecting everyone in this country right now.

> No response from religiosos

>>741255409
>its not, Hammurabi code is the foundation. Which is based on empathy and social instincts.

well im not surprised by that stupidity on display.

>>741255519

Here is a response, there shouldn't be a federal department of education at all. And until she does something like forcing children nationwide to read the bible, it isnt a fucking problem.

>>741255528
im not surprised u r incapable of refuting this

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>>741255454
It is the only truth.

>>741255628
Our legal system is not based on Hammurabi 's code

And Hammurabi's code is not founded on empathy and "social instincts" it was just as informed and effected by their early pagan beliefs as our modern law is informed through ours.

>>741255715
yes, the nonsense is real
>>741255852
its not based on bible either