I'm 90 days sober AMA

Why?

Do you feel physically better than when you started your commitment?
More virile?

Just hit two years myself. Gave up on that AA stuff though. Feels pretty good man

>>741224978
Why bother with AA? Relapse rates are basically identical whether or not you go through their program.

>>741225030
Because shit got out of hand and I realized I want to be myself again

>>741225103
Yes I feel a lot better. Although I feel the emotional ups and downs more it's worth it. There is no good feelings without bad feelings. That's why drugs become a maintenance, because they take away the bad then there becomes no good.

The 7th tradition states that....

>>741225114
>>741225205
I'm not doing AA or NA, technically I'm doing something called "smart recovery." I barely go to the meetings though. My program consists of introspective writing everyday. So far I've filled up 4 college ruled notebooks

Went to AA once after 4 days in the hospital for detox. It's been 618 days sober for me since then

>>741225371
That's an AA cult coin.

>>741225371
Sounds fucking gay

>>741225373
There truly is an epidemic in the United States. The general public doesn't realize how widespread the opiate problem really is

I'm 90 days sober too, where's me doubloon?

>>741225425
It has the serenity prayer but it's a coin I got from my rehab. I haven't done the 12 steps.

>>741225459
oh we know, we just know about the 100 drug epidemics before it and we don't care

>>741224978
You can't even try to quit drinking without the people helping you shoving Jebus down your throat.

>>741224978
On a scale of 1-10, how many cocks have you sucked?

Nygga, for real, How van you you keep sobre? I'am avid drinker of a 1L of vodka a day

>>741225582
I wasn't a drinker and for the last time, I haven't and don't plan on doing the 12 steps. It's a chip I got from my rehab for completing 90.

>>741225469
You shouldn't have sold it for a beer you fucking liar! And fuck off.

Good job OP, keep it up!

>>741224978
Quitters are spitters

>>741224978
I like how this prayer has so much precedence in Slaughterhouse Five.
Any of you know if Kurt Vonnegut was an alcoholic?

>>741225654
The key is finding out why you're drinking. Finding out the underlying problem. Finding out what you're running from and become at peace.

>>741225666
Spoopy

Did you get that coin from hope by the sea?

>>741224978
do you feel that AA is a legitimate addiction treatment or just a cult built around sobriety?

>>741225654
Are you aware that you have a liver, that primarily processes and filters everything you drink?
Keep that habit up long enough, and you're gonna get yourself into a shitty living situation.

>>741225582
Are you surprised? They know to capitalize when people are vulnerable. Why do you think they start kids off so young?

Every predator knows to single out the slowest/weakest member of the herd first.

>>741225850
I can neither confirm nor deny ;)

>>741225856
It's very cult like, but admittitadly it does work for some people. The thing that really separates it from a cult is that the finances are all open. Everyone at a specific meeting knows how much money that group has

>>741225935
If so that's crazy bc I just did 120 days there lol

>>741224978
Why didn't you just learn moderation? You know, like an adult?

>>741225850
OP here, snapchat me!! Jackyp313

>>741226071
Does your name start with a J or a D?

>>741225875
Yo... I realise that... But It has become a way to Cope with psycological issues

>>741226078
Moderation goes out the window with opiates

>>741225666
Checked

>>741225856
No OP, two year sober guy from above, but I've seen AA help some people legitimately who couldn't do it any other way. I have a lot of friends that the program helped when nothing else could, but with all that being said I'd say it's a lot closer to a cult for sobriety than a legitimate treatment option. It was somewhat helpful for me really early on but the steps are nonsense and the absolute insistence that AA is the only option by so many people in the program is ridiculous and a real problem in my mind.

>>741226152 Yeah... D. Who is this lmao

>>741224978
I'm 12,000 days sober. How does that make you feel?

>>741226381
My snapchat name should make it obvious if you were here with me...

jackyp313

Can you trade that for a drink?

>>741226381
Sup dude it's Mike. XD

>>741226038
Horseshit, it's a cult. It's a government approved, often court mandated, and publicly funded cult that requires pledging your allegiance to God. They're a little vague about which God, but it's still fucking religion. And if alcoholism is a disease, then why is the primary treatment following a set of religious rules that were last updated in 1946, instead of seeing a doctor who follows the scientific literature and prescribes the latest treatment? Real science evolves as we learn more about diseases and how to counter them, it doesn't just stop for 70 years.

>>741226566
This is not OP

-OP

>>741224978
Why did you give up the only thing you were ever good at?

>>741226566
Ohhh Shit mike what up! It's tiny rick

>>741226606
Let's not forget the 5 percent success rate, as opposed to non-twelve step SMART recovery which has a fifty percent rate.

>>741226038
>implying cults are only about money and that the majority of them weren't about power over the members that used controlling their finances as one of many tools to affect that goal

Fucking fuck me I need to do that.

>>741226822
>Let's not forget the 5 percent success rate
which is on par with scientific studies that have found that control groups using pure willpower have roughly an 8% 2 year success rate

>>741226470
Were you in San Juan during the "bon fire"

I mean... Drinking all day seems Fun at fjrts. But then you get to the nigger shit. Nowadays I biy short Coke at barsil to keep balance between drunk and frying

>>741227007
Yep.

Doesn't matter what way you do it - there's no evidence to suggest that AA helps a persons chances at all. At best it helps educate a person into understanding their affliction a bit better and not feeling so alone.

At worst, it sets someone up to fail.

>>741226457
You're also 12,000 days being the most boring and useless person on the planet. Way to be a party pooper, mother fucker.

Good Job! I'm 6 years drunk and wished I didn't waste 20-21 being sober. Drinking is the only cure for insomnia.

That being said it makes me fat as fuck and act like an unfuckable oaf unless I meet a really plastered chick who's more desperate than me.

>>741227123
The idea of pairing someone up with someone who's gone through it is a good one, but the miserable success rate suggests it's not implemented well.

>>741227130
Baselessly butthurt, okay.

>>741227102
HAHAHHAAHHHA NO...I moved into Duran a few days before that happened.. if you are who I think you are, I moved into Duran for a few days with you before you left!

>>741227399
Way to go dipshit loser mother fucker.

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>>741224978
i was out of detox for 2 weeks and i drank again last night. existence is agony

>>741226821
oh fuck yall
its me BIG TONY TWO COCKS

>>741227438
I had already left Hope by the sea at that point but I was actually at the duran house the night of the bonfire. I'm not Dante lol

>>741227768
OHHHHHH were you the guy that came over and you and Dante called San Juan and that's when Kyle said, "DO NOT COME OVER" hahahhahaha

>>741227663
Hungover here too after making it two weeks with no drinking. Feels bad man.

>>741225654
Am alcohol on cheapest beer. Am drunk now. I abstain from liquor for this reason even though it would be cheaper. I can't control myself on beer, I just rode a bicycle a mile round trip to get more before they closed. If I had a liquor problem it would ruin me

why did you need a faggot god club to do this?

addicts are weak humans, who need to gtfo..

being sober and proud of it is the same as being
praised for losing weight... you are fuckin supposed to live healthy.

or if you prefer a more /b/ like example
its like being proud of being a black father, that didnt leave its children...

>>741225687
Yes Kurt vonnegut was an alcoholic and had bouts of sobriety. There's no drunk stories about him that I've encountered but he defintely wronged people in his personal life because of his drinking and many who knew him attributed his curmgedeonly behavior to his alcoholism.

>>741225767
this is true. a lot of trashing AA in this thread but this is the core premise and it holds true

>>741228224
Thanks Mr. Perfect! Want me to suck your dick for a dollar?

>>741224978
are you prepared for when you relapse and have to start over again? not trolling, just an old drunk who's been through this 100s of times and i find that youngins need to prepare for falling off the wagon and getting back on again

>>741228542
I'm 26 and at almost 2 years. No one is ever prepared for it and not should they be. It's not an inevitability

>>741224978
Have you had the nightmares yet where you dream that you're waking up after another bender and can't remeber exactly what you did but are sure you really fucked up something important in your life?

>>741225371
>muh jounals.
Kek tres teenage.

>>741228694
Not OP but holy shit I get those whenever I'm trying to sober up.

>>741228694
Not OP but yes, have had several and they're terrifying

>>741227177
Kek true. But examine thyself. And being anymous I am the perfect source of therapy!

>>741228672
58, longest stretch I did was 12 years. I've found that I'm better prepared, as are many I've talked to, if I acknowledge that I am powerless against alcohol and need to ensure I don't even take one drink while acknowledging that if I do slip that doesn't mean it's the end of the world and I get to give up and wallow in misery and drink every day again. Life happens, one day your mother's gonna die and if you fall off the wagon and get drunk that day you need to accept it and get back on the wagon instead of spending another few years in the shit faced rodeo. ;)

I've been an alcohol for 3 years now. Drinking almost every day (at least 5 days a week) to the point of blacking/passing out.

Usually its a 12 pack of beer but I can go through a handle in a few days.

I know I have a problem but it is very hard for me to stop. I get DTs after 3 days and the shakes and anxiety don't go away...

>>741228104
Same, I can't control myself with liqour but will get wasted off beer and not feel ashamed.

>>741224978
5 months sober now best feeling ever

>>741226315
agreed

it's a very good way to learn the "spiritual orientation" necessary to quit drinking, but the way the program perpetuates itself (saying its the only way, saying "your higher power can be the group", insisting on sponsoring new people in, etc) is cult-like

I think the need for a solid higher power is real. AA's main point is that you can't do it entirely yourself AND other people can't help you, so you need God. just God! but then it starts to become a cult when it says "and like Jesus, ya know, you need to *spread the message* to others who are sick and suffering"

like yeah, you should do that. do that for friends and loved ones you know to be suffering. explain to them what you did to get sober.

you don't *need* AA meetings for any of that but they're a good way to connect with people in your same boat

shouldn't treat it like a club and play strictly by its rules or try to "succeed" in it

/rant

>>741228807
>>741228817
those are the worst nightmares of life. I've called in to work sick because i felt so guilty after those. They never seem to go away .. 2 years and then bam one hits you again. it's worse than the ones where you think your teeth are rotting out and you keep pulling your teeth out

Could you smoke a j instead OP?

>>741229133
Or almost as bad as dreams your back with an ex or something.

>>741226078
I genuinely believe there are some people who are constitutionally incapable of using drugs moderately

whether it's biological or "just too faggy" to do so doesn't matter if every single time they do drugs they go crazy. these people should just stop.

>>741228931
I understand that and that makes sense to not lose hope and give up if you relapse, but it shouldn't be something you expect to happen. I know i can never have a sip of alcohol or painkillers or anything but i refuse to believe that I'm powerless against it. That's why i never started AA after the first day or the 12 step program. I refuse to admit that I'm powerless and lead to believe hat only a higher power can help me. I believe in my own strength, will power, and perseverance to get through to the end

>>741226171
yeah you need to fix the psychological issues which demands a lot of work on your part, not just making a weekly talk therapy meeting and taking more pills

>>741229500
Well I honeslt appreciate that very much and wish you will.

>>741225205
Source please
>spoiler alert: there is none

>>741224978
Do you workout now? If not what habit have you started to replace your old one?

>>741226822
tbf SMART meetings are full of housewives who want to cut out their nightly glass of wine (literally saw a woman in one trying to deal with her "sugar addiction") and not the sort of bottom of the barrel criminal scumbags that AA works with

>>741224978
ways you can tell that we are alcoholics - we all started talking about ourselves even if we disguised it as questions for op.

Op) - why do you think you drink, and what made you want to quit?

>>741226606
Jesus Christ this is retarded. Let me guess, you declared your atheism at 17 and never miss an opportunity to point it out to everyone you meet?

>>741229612
Thank you. And I to you. Never give up hope and believe in yourself above all else. You will always have the power within to keep going. The choice will always be yours to make, and you can always make the right one

>>741229715
lol been to both and this is fucking dead on. My problem with AA meetings is going home and going "well .. i can have a couple whiskeys tonight, im not as bad as those guys"

>>741224978
Is that supposed to be an achievement? Weak fagot.

>>741226606
found the chronic relapser

Do the world a favor and die?

How do you deal with the intense boredom in the first week or so? Nothing I do while drunk is fun to me when I'm sober so I end up just sleeping a lot because I don't know what else to do to have fun anymore.

>>741229838
kiddo .. if you can't tell from the copious spelling mistakes im drinking for the first time in 2 years and you just made me put down the bottle. thanks again. Jesus are we a buncha reddit faggots or something? lol

>>741224978
in 10 days ill be 8 months sober myself anon, keep up the good work!

>>741225666
Checked.
Have you ever seen a ghost?

>>741229133
>I've called in to work sick because i felt so guilty after those
are you fucking kidding me

>>741229619
Here's a decent summary of relevant studies and analyses:
thefix com/content/the-real-statistics-of-aa7301

The results are mixed, but AA seems to have little impact one way or the other.

>>741229924
you gotta take it minute by minute, white knuckle if you have to. Nothing will help you feel better, but you will feel better if you keep sober

>>741224978
Congrats OP I'm literally to the day 3 months clean myself

>>741230010
I'm obnoxiously upbeat sometimes and you're right, this is getting a little sappy lol Cheer up motherfucker, it's the first day of the rest of your life

>>741230125
nope. if you just had a vivid dream where you slowly peiced together a week long binge where you murdered your ex wife, spent all your retirment money on hookers and called your boss and told him he's a dumb nigger, that shit shakes you and makes you realize how disgusting you are when you drink

>>741229841
one of my favorite things about AA is how they say "if you don't think you belong here maybe you should go out and do some more drinking"

anyway everyone has a bottom and a lot of the people who did end up losing something big want you to know you can get off he elevator at any floor you want

that said, you might not be a "real alcoholic". only one way to find out

if this is trips you gotta get blasted tonight

>>741229528
I don't know what my psychological issues are. I have a mother and girlfriend that loves me. I have a job with steady hours. I can buy pretty much anything I want. I just like being drunk.

>>741230139
Read the article. Never mentions anything other than CBT, mentions the number 5% but not in reference to AA success rates, explicitly states there is no actual obtainable success rate due to anonymity. So basically, fuck off

>>741230303
fair enough

>>741224978
Honestly, good job dude. I been clean for the most part but its getting really hard. Its like I forget how miserable my life was when I was using drugs. But I think Ill keep staying sober and hold out for life to get better instead of picking the easy way out.

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>>741225582
There's no Jesus talk in AA. The idea is to simply believe in a power greater than yourself.

>>741224978
if dubs get crunk

>>741225302
Pretty sure being on 4chan satisfies the whole anonymity thing

>>741224978
Did you go to Hoag in Newport Beach? Looks like a hoag coin

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did it take anyone else 20 years to realize that you arn't lemmy and when you drink you become an asshole not a rock god?

>>741225582
>>741230587
>There's no Jesus talk in AA. The idea is to simply believe in a power greater than yourself.
And that higher power can be anything that is meaningful to you like G.O.D (Good order and discipline)

>>741230762
Or Beer.

>>741225856
When AA works for people it's because they're legitimately trading one addiction for another. Instead of alcohol these old motherfuckers just go to AA meetings multiple times a week.

>>741224978
It feels good doesn't it??

15 months clean off a bad 12 year opiate / heron (H only for 60days)

>>741224978
Why are you such a pussy? Shoot heroin and be happy like the rest of us.

>>741227978
hahaha yep that was me, that's nuts! So you just got out?

What's been going down at hope the last month or so? Any other crazy shit?

>>741230909
true .. but funnily enough id rather goto AA 5 times a week and be able to hold down a job, have time for the hobbies i enjoy, have a great relationship with my husband, and see my daughter from ex husband every weekend without being affraid of gettinng drunk and forgetting it... its like one addication makes you responsible and the other makes you worthless

>>741230909
>being addicted to helping others and maintaining sobriety is a bad thing
You're legitimately a worthless sack of shit and need to kill yourself

>>741231177
Tits?

>>741230543
False. The article cites an 8 year MCPH study, an article in Addiction, AA's summary of 5 membership surveys, and several more. AA clearly doesn't want to disclose their data, but all the independent data doesn't show their program has any real effect. And the article doesn't even mention the leaked 1985 internal AA report which showed a 5% success rate.

So fuck you, you illiterate asshole.

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>>741224978
Wanna grab a beer?

I've felt that I always have had issues drinking responsibly but because I'm an idiot I went and got a job at a liquor store. Needless to say I'm drinking constantly because of the discount and constant availability of alcohol. How do I get away from this without quitting my job? I want to stop drinking.

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>>741231235
they're not very impressive

>>741225856
Definitely legit. I quit through AA 30 years ago. It has plusses and minuses, but comes at the addiction from a variety of necessary angles. I go back to meetings to be around other sober people and help the newbies along. There are definitely people who are slavish to the program, but if it keeps them sober, I don't care. Most people like that grow out of it.

>>741230587
Oh shut your fat mouth. It's obviously vague on purpose but it alludes to God. What else would a higher power be? Your wife's fat ass? Don't be stupid.

>>741231498
Fake and gay. Go lie somewhere else you retarded faggot. You clearly tried AA, didn't follow the program, and blamed then for your failure. That or your family member did and you didn't go to Alanon to understand addiction for yourself. Either way, you suck and can go fuck yourself for posting fake facts.

Congrats retard, you need an entire support group to help you not buy booze.

>>741231177
>true .. but funnily enough id rather goto AA 5 times a week and be able to hold down a job

That's absolutely valid. But it's still trading one addiction for another. It's not an ACTUAL fix. More like duct tape around a leak.

>>741226606

Totally agree anon.

>>741231727
>you are the highest power in the history of the universe
Now do you realize how retarded you sound?

>>741231498
And the part where the AA study claims 33% success? I see you don't mention that, or is that too inconvenient?

>>741231198
Fuck off seriously. You're not noble for being addicted to meetings that pad your self esteem. AA is a bunch of mostly old faggots patting themselves on the back because they traded alcohol for sad get togethers.

The only reason you reacted the way you did is because you know it's fucking true. Who cares? Just accept what it is. If it helps you then I'm glad you're not out drunk driving you sad piece of shit.

>>741231812
that ignores what I just said though.

if i stay sober for 30 years based on absolute horse shit but have a good life for 30 years, while if i kept drinking i would be miserable, which is the better choice?

im an atheist and a skepetic but i am all for self decepetion when its useful.

id rather enjoy life.

>>741231742
So your only argument is to claim an article that cites many sources is only citing one, and then when it's pointed out you can't read, you say it's fake news and start calling people names and make up shit about them?

Good argument there. You must be a one of those <insert swear word> <insert some political or ethnic group you hate>

>>741231742
>I DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO YOU BECAUSE WHAT YOUR SAYING CHALLENGES MY FRAGILE WORLDVIEW

>AA IS LOVE AA IS LIFE

>REEEEEEEEE

Fuck off, pussy. There isn't just one way to get sober. This isn't a simple illness, and there's no cookie cutter answer. The path to salvation is as narrow as the razor's edge.

In a few months I'll be 2 years sober thanks to AA. I stopped going to meetings but if I ever get urges to drink I go. Good job keep it up.

>>741231956
Read what I've posted. I said the results were mixed. One positive study and a bunch of neutral or negative studies doesn't prove it works.

>>741231974
I'm not an alcoholic. Stay mad, faggot.

>>741231983
>if i stay sober for 30 years based on absolute horse shit but have a good life for 30 years, while if i kept drinking i would be miserable, which is the better choice?

When did I ever say it wasn't a better choice? You're completely missing the point.

Please enjoy your AA meetings. But it is absolutely trading one addiction for another.

You admitted that yourself. We don't disagree and I don't know why you think we ever did.

congrats, keep it going OP.

>>741224978
You're a quitter OP and quitters never win

>>741231983
It's definitely better. Just be honest with yourself that you're living a self-deluded existence, at least, though. The key to sobriety is self-honesty and self-awareness, after all.

Failure to do that means you're going to fail your step four.

>>741231848
No since I never said that.

Try again.

>>741231974
no one is noble who goes to these meetings. yes AA involves a lot of old faggots trying to maintain and attitude to improve their lifes.

Do they deserve to remain alcoholics simply becuase the way they maintain sobriety offends you?

you sound just like a social justice warrior, your way of life may work for you and improve yourslef while doing nothing to hurt me .... but I DONT LIKE IT!

kill yourself faggot

>>741226078
Doesnt work that way. Addiction has its own patterns and arcs, and once you're in it, youre either on the road to an ugly flameout or off entirely. Addicts cant stop the arc

>>741232010
The article points out there is no concrete data and that there is no real way to determine success rates. But go on about how people are illiterate. Then finish sucking >>741232016 baby dick.

>>741232082
You're an addict. Stay in denial. AA didn't help you one fucking bit if you stick to technicalities.

>>741224978
Fuck you quitter

>>741232184
I wouldn't expect a retarded person to grasp how retarded they are. They think it's normal.

You wanna beer? We can go to the bar to celebrate

>>741232250
Kek, I'm only addicted to pointing how big of a massive faggot you are.

>>741232198
>Do they deserve to remain alcoholics simply becuase the way they maintain sobriety offends you?

When the fuck did I ever say that?

I'm happy they're not drinking. I'm simply stating what AA is for the people it works for. It's trading one addiction for another. Period. Relax.

>>741232342
So you're an addict. What a sad life you lead.

I am the anti Christ >.>

OP AA saved me life. People crying in this thread don't get it plain and simple.

It works if you work for it. If you expect your life to change solely because you go to a meeting it won't work.

Also it's not a cult lol I've met some really amazing people in the program but they're are a lot of retards too

>>741232307
I bet your AA members would love to hear how you disparage the mentally ill. You're still a piece of shit even if you aren't using. Worthless.

>>741232244
Not what it says. It shows a fair amount of secondary and supporting evidence. It's not 100% conclusive, and (as I've said several times), the results are mixed. But what does amount to? Zero evidence that AA works. If there's no evidence a medical treatment that's been around for more than a lifetime works, why is it government mandated?

And it would be trivial for AA to correct. All they'd have to do is release the data and let researchers analyze it. But they haven't.

>>741232428
Not even close. But I do enjoy how butthurt you are about people participating in AA. Of all the things to worry about, this is where you draw the line. What a huge, glorious faggot.

>>741226822
Where are You getting that number? And what's success? People slip in recovery but go back to it...is that a fail?

>>741224978
good job op it takes a lot keep it up!!

A lot bars give a drink for free for your AA coins.

>>741232163
I just said that?

so are you simply trying to be antagonistic? I don't get it. you just admited your wrong but keep going.

Self delusion is not an objectional position except when one is trying to view truth, and is incredibly useful to help yourself make a better life.

if we go by what we know from science than we know that conciousness is mostly an illusion and free will is entirely an illusion, this is useful in many application to our view of humanity but in our personal lifes we need other beleifs to help us be better ppl

>>741232505
Very close. Addict. Respond if you're an addict. If not run off with your tail between your legs.

>>741225544
watch out for the older dudes and drug addicts.
sit in the back.
wear a disguise.

>>741232244
Not the guy you're talking to but I know a number of treatment centers have produced studies where they interviewed clients five years after their last treatment.

Fifty percent of the CBT-based non 12 Step programmes (I specifically point out to Sunshine Coast Health Center in British Columbia) were still sober after five years.

In the 12 step based program only 5 percent were still sober. This meshes up with the other data collected in other studies.

>>741232493
Is defending retarded people one of the 12 steps? Not asking for me, it's for a friend.

>>741232537
kek

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>>741224978
Im drinking a nice cold IPA right now with a tequila back. Sucks for you that you couldn't handle your drink.

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>>741224978
Congratulations, anon. Keep up your good work.

Holy shit OP I'm 6 days off opiates and I can see the light in terms of physical symptoms but depression. I dunno man. I feel like the thing that people have that translates all their good ideas as tangible things in the real world doesn't exist in me. I can only stay in my head.

>>741232550
Woah, hold on there, cowboy. I'm not actually the fella you were talking to before. Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.

>>741231589
he went there!

>>741224978
has the boredom set in yet?

>>741232592
So in your mind getting better is insulting mentally ill people? No wonder you need help. Sad.

Hey OP good shit. I tried everything under the sun to try to quit drinking and AA is the only thing that ever worked. I went from drinking a 26oz of vodka every two days for three years and couldn't stop. AA was the only thing that helped me quit

>>741232710
Only boring people get bored.

>>741232692
good boy :) If i had tits on this laptop I'd give them to you

>>741232696
an absolute mad lad!

>>741232552
>I told him if he replies he's an addict so that makes it true
>I said if he doesn't he's running away scared
Quite the pickle I'd say. BTW, if you respond to this, your have a prolapsed anus from fucking tranny prostitutes and you routinely rape 8 year old boys. If you don't reply then you rape 6 year old boys and have infected dozens with AIDS.

>>741229034
You need medical supervision if your addiction is like that. Can't quit cold turkey.

Any thoughts on any of these?
Fluoride in drinking water
Fluoride in Teflon coating
Lead contamination in soil
Lead paint
Estrogen in drinking water
Radionuclide contamination in high phosphorus fertilizer
Slag exposure
Food shortage
Over population
Eugenics
Civil unrest
Boredom
Pathogens
World peace?
Aliens
Aliens
Dark wizards
Psychics
Class warfare
Class warfare
Supervolcanoes
Accidental injury
Depression
Criminal behaviour
Fluoride in toothpaste
Under exercise
Tooth decay
Poor oral hygiene
Coconuts
Ragweed
Fire ants
Killer bees
Climate change
Stagnation
Illegal dumping
Orbital drift
Greed
Xenophobia
Corruption?
Gender warfare
Black widow/brown recluse
Gamma radiation
Seismic anomaly
Political warfare
Degradation
Devaluation of human life
Drug abuse

>>741224978
Well done, keep it up

>>741232744
you must not be op.

>>741232711
Are retarded people mentally ill? You are an asshole for saying that.

>>741232835
This is a scenario in which I can't walk away unscatched.jpeg

>>741232835
I knew you'd reply you weak willed addict. Reply if you take back all your posts and admit I'm right. Or run off with your tail between your legs.

>>741232934
Yeah you're the one who needs help and is seeking it. Not me. Sad.

>>741228224
Hey everybody, this guy is a dick.

>>741232847
All true except the second class warfare. The first is legit though.

WHO WANTS TO SUCK MY DICK

>>741232999
We know bruh. Also nice triples you got there, boi!

>>741232995
Never been in treatment for anything due to not being an addict. Keep it up faggot.

>>741233065
Then you don't belong in this thread.

Opinion disregarded.

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Anyone fancy a pint?

>>741233129
Only fags drink beer. Drink hard liquor like a fucking man.

>>741233129
No thanks! I actually like MY brain cells thank you very much!

I'm intoxicated on sobriety! Everyday life is enough of a crazy bender for me!

>>741233001
I don't know, I think there are more than 2 aliens.

>>741229500
The powerless thing is to get people to understand that they can get themselves back into dangerous waters just by following faulty instincts, and once they pick up tjat first drink, they very well can not stop.

>ITT: pathetic adult men who were never loved by their fathers insulting people who are trying to better themselves
You all should go die

>>741233187
I value my liver and kidneys and don't want them to pickle in looser juice.
Also I enjoy vaping.

>>741233187
I prefer my liquor watery. Ice cubes of whiskey are too crunchy.

>>741233281
You're still going to suffer from kidney failure if you're an addict you mongoloid.

>>741233115
That hurts. I valued your opinion. I'm truly hurt.

>>741233129
Sorry, no, I'm a faggot in Alcoholics Anonymous and only drink semen.

>>741233369
Opinion disregarded.

>>741232995
Why are you insulting retarded people nonstop? Quit being a jerk.

>>741233417
Opinion disregarded.

>>741233369
Heh. Nothing personell kid. *Teleports behind you*

But I've already got enough friends.

*Impales you on katana, blush spurts from your open wound*

Heh. Guess you could say I'm sort of... cutting edge. *Sheaths blade*

>>741233476
Disregard opinionated.

>>741233417
I agree with you disregarding my opinion

>>741233509
Disopinion regarded.

>>741229133
Holy shit I just started having these. It's always when I'm recovering from a bender and I'm not afraid of normal nightmares but these bring on a serious feeling of dread.

>>741233469
I never did.

Try again.

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>>741233281

>>741233476
I know it hurts you.

Dis. Re. Gar. Ded.

>>741233539
You said they are mentally ill. Defend yourself.

>>741232537
Sad. Like pawning your purple heart.

>>741230533
>I can buy pretty much anything I want.
Turns out what you like to buy is alcohol.

>>741233592
I'm a third party to this argument, and I'm disregarding both of you.

I will tell you a story about alcoholism. You see when you are an alcoholic it consumes alot of ur time. When you decide to quit it leaves a void in ur life. You end up with all this extra time and nothing to fill it with. Sometimes you find the things you use to do with alcohol are not really that fun sober. which leaves more gaps. the easiest solution is relapse. if you cant fill this gap you relapse. Thats why alcoholics religiously attend aa, also church.

>>741233592
It doesn't. I'm another anon.

Guarded disopinionately.

>>741233525
Disopinionated regard

>>741233658
Fourth party, you mean. I was the third party.

Disregards for everyone!

>>741230739
No I realized that after my first few parties

>>741233611
I never attributed the mentally ill to anyone else.

Try again.

>>741233657
And? I buy a lot of things I enjoy.

>>741232510
If the idea is to stop drinking, and someone drinks, yes, that would count as a fail.

If I was a robber on probation, and I robbed one place, one time, before I never did it again, they'd still put me in jail even if I told them it was a relapse.

>>741232537
a lot? god it would be so embarrassing to try that and have them deny you

Theirs soooo many different AA/NA meetings out there. Some are much more Casual then others. Its definitly worth a shot to go to one, especially when your first sober and bored and lonely. I never met people so open and ready to go do activities amd events.

>>741233889
See >>741232711 and >>741232493 and then stop drinking. You can't even remember what you said 10 minutes ago, drunk retard.

>>741233949
Can't tell you how many girls I've fucked since I've been in NA.

It's good shit man.

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>>741233949
Good way to meet crazy chicks, too

>>741232711
>>741232934
can both of you please stop playing argument tennis with the severed head of a retard

>>741233949
The depressing thing about AA was that these ppl seemed to devote their entire life to trying to avoid something they enjoy. felt depressing

>>741234062
Yeah, tennis rackets don't work very well with severed heads. Lacrosse sticks are better!

>>741233129
58 year old fag who quit drinking again. very much want a pint>>741228931

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>>741234083
You clearly need to join a few more support groups.

Hey guys, Marshall Mathers here. AMA.

>>741233687
rigged onion

>>741234035
Hell ya man , Easiest and most set up stuff to meet women.

And I never even touched a cigarette.

>>741232797
Jesus first you REEEEE at the guy then when you find out it's not who you thought it was and just done random dude, instead of apologising you treat him like a fucking dog.

*throws a stick*

Go fetch, don't fucking come back.

>>741234158
i went to aa for 3 months.

>>741234083
we dont enjoy it. thats the problem. old AA faggot here, we have a part of our brain which keeps telling us we'll enjoy it, but then the next day we've ruined our lives. thats the whole point. its not just that we drink too much. we drink all night then call our boss and go "fuck your job you cock sucking asshole" then go home and our wife cries and that makes us mad so we punch her in the face. this is stuff we wouldnt even think about when we're sober. we are not good people when we are drunk, but we are when we are sober. this is the whole "the bottom" mentality. we are absolutely pathetic horrible ppl when we drink

>>741234248
I have to admit, I did feel slightly objectified and demeaned. I am still waiting for an apology. =(

>>741234021
That doesn't prove anything. I never said who the mentally ill were.

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>>741234314
Try a suicide support group, they're probably more upbeat.

>>741234248
fuck ... fetching sticks like a dumb cunt who deserves that is my anti-drug ..

I'm sorry daddy ... i won't drink but can i please use my whore body to make it up to you ...

fuck saying that to a random ...my body is on fire

>>741234357
I'm afraid fucknut is away chasing a stick, so you may not get an apology but try find contentment in the fact that it's now less likely to happen to you or anyone else again.

>>741234357
>>741234528
that guy isnt me .. thats a troll ... but seriously ...

ok im very inteligent and into defending this but ..

i have to admit it, the other guys cant argue worth a shit ... maybe you cant either ... but that way you said that .. my cunt if just full of dumb whore slime thats pouring out now and ... daddy im sorry

>>741224978
just got three years last month. keep it up OP.

>>741234343
yeah I had a whole complex when I drank. I would fuck with everyone around me for negative attention and charge my ego up by being willing to die and get hurt, and put myself in situations where that would happen. this was maybe about feeling godlike when in my real day-to-day, I was pathetic, bitter, small, etc.. This was also mixed with a lot of guilt about how I treated the women in my life. Would absolutely scream abuse at my mom until late in my teen years without (m)any repercussions, then same with my first long girlfriend. Idk how it all fit together. I always had to be "right" and when I faced being wrong I could still be "right" by showing myself willing to destroy myself

>>741234638
>>741234528
Oh wait no, he's here talking about being a slut and burning himself or something, he sure showed us.

>>741234343
you are right. I never went to that kind of extreme, but i do compromise alot of my values

>>741224978
i get 6 years this november. best decision i ever made.

>>741234801
efinitley dude ... basically, years later, ive realized i made ppl into less than me or more than me... its a horrbile way to live

>>741224978

learn to handle your booze/drugs.

>>741233358
Ex alco
After years in and out if detox and a battle with myself I can just have one or two beers.
Soon as I feel the hunger for more I just fill up on food.
Then I don't want more.

>>741234879
yeah ... jesus christ. do you wake up jelouse of your toaster for serving a purpose? Do your parrents consider suicide a lot for giving birth to a down syndrome baby?

>>741225666

He didn't say you were doing the 12 steps you sperg, he said they were trying to shove jesus down your throat. That coin they gave you is some pretty strong supporting evidence of that.

>>741226606
this is dumb as fuck. the reason aa doesn't work for people is because they don't do what the steps suggest. those that do, stay sober. it hasn't changed with the times because it fucking works.

>>741235152
the steps are pretty rough, when you have to confess all ur wrong doings to another person. that is really hard

>>741235286
true, but in my experience my sponsor related to all the things i had to say during my 5th step. it was good to clean the slate.

>>741235152
I have a fix for that. Let's gas everyone who walks into the rooms, and completely eliminate the human element! Then we'll have a perfect success rate and I can always be right!

Unfortunately, we are human, and we do make mistakes. We claim progress, not perfection. And given enough time - say, hypothetically, we lived forever, even the longest lasting oldtimer would relapse eventually.

Relapse is inevitable in the face of that, and it is a part of recovery.

>>741235356
i didnt trust my sponsor that much

>>741235152
That's not science, that's a blind assertion. According to the actual studies, it's not clear that AA has any effect. Those who stay sober might have found another way to stay sober. And since it's not clear that it works, you can't use that as an argument for why it hasn't changed.

You're exactly why religion should be confused for medicine.

>>741235398
> shouldn't

Exchange alcohol for small amounts of weed.
I'd rather be able to function and not throw blue devils every time I drink.
Yes I only swapping one vice for another but people and friends have seen a positive Change in my personality and well-being.

>>741235398
it's personal experience. i relapsed twice without aa and with it i got sober for 6 years. i'll keep doing that.

>>741235099
>slut
>spontaneous combustion
>jesus
>jelouse (are you French?)
>toaster
>suicide
>downs syndrome

We're not going to be able to have a conversation that makes sense so, I'm gunna go eat breakfast now, see you later Claude.

>>741235477
jelouse as a moose

i think he is

>>741235398
there's also spiritual influences on medicine, as seen in eastern cultures.

>>741234083
If you still genuinely enjoy it you don't need AA. Just control your drinking.

Pretty simple, really.

>>741235471
Good for you, seriously.

>>741235669
thanks anon

>>741235463
Dude what's a blue devil?

>>741235637
Alt-medicine relies on the placebo effect.

>>741235463
There's actually a lot of evidence coming out right now to suggest that this is a good alternative and a good method to ween off psychologically.

I can say that for myself, smoking weed became habit forming - I'd spend a lot of time thinking about getting home and getting high. And then I found myself smoking at times I told myself I wouldn't.

But in the end, it wasn't destructive at all.

>>741235658
I drink on the weekends, but i drink all the weekend sun up to sun down, and mondays are a crapshot. I guess i need some real hobbies

>>741224978
i remember when I got my chip in MA. I went 1 year then relapsed the next day bc I just wanted to prove I could go that long, still have thechip though because it reminds me i am the master of my habit now

>>741225856
right-wing Christian conversion cult

but NA is where all the real craziness goes on

>>741235790
I'll say it again, but differently: If you don't need help quitting drinking, i.e., if you're not an alcoholic, then control yourself.

If you can't do that, seems like you have a problem, no?

>>741235721
i think there is something to be said for defining what spirituality is. in aa there are spiritual principles behind each step. for me, that was my power greater than myself that aa says you need. i knew that while drinking i couldn't live according to these spiritual principles. the 12 steps taught me how to do that on a daily basis. so the steps are my higher power and i can steer clear of the god thing that way. it works for me. basically it's pretty simple that to escape the feelings that drive me to drink, i do the next right thing with the help of a support group, and i do esteem-able acts that way. this makes someone feel good about themselves and gets you away from wanting to get fucked up. that is the big spiritual slant of the program if you want it to be that simple. i know it might not seem like you need a program to just do the right thing, but for me it makes it easier.

>>741235384
What is this WE bullshit?

Fucking AA-speak. Cult lingo.

>>741230587
i did a session of MA that was way too Christian-religion, then i shopped around and found one more like what youre describing.

>>741226606
>publicly funded cult that requires pledging your allegiance to God.

Legit made me lol. It's not possible to make even a vaguely coherent argument for that unless you know nothing about the actual program or severely misrepresent it.

>>741235997
i have a problem, i just dont really like the alternative

>>741235696
>depression and fits of anger and lashing out at people.
Usually starts when drink is running low or you have hit the limit of enjoyment and realisation that you are a waste of space.

>>741236262
Decisions, decisions, amirite?

>>741235790
like how bad? like getting shiithoused from the moment you leave work friday and pounding liquor every second till monday morning? or do you just crack a beer in the morning

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>>741224978
Only advice you need to take from here worth anything...

1. AA is bullshit.
2. First step of AA is to do LSD.
3. Look up step 2 if you don't believe me.
4. Fuck Acid... do 7 grams of shrooms.
5. Forgive yourself.
6. Get rid of guilt
7. Realize addiction is a coping mechanism.
8. Continue to do shrooms to go deep in your head.
9. Fix deep emotional problems.
10. Once accomplished you can now drink in a responsible matter and won't have to go to meeting where faggots say a stupid prayer and literally substitute alcohol for copious amounts of cigs and coffee.


side note... just cause you get a dwi doesn't mean you have a drinking problem.

>>741236236
Donated space in public buildings, and step 2. Guess you're not very good at thinking.

>>741224978
I'll throw my hat into the ring.

5 years sober here. Did it with AA for the first few years. It was the support of my friends in the program, not really the steps which did it. There's some wisdom in the steps, but they are by no means magical.

I remain a staunch atheist to this day. I have nothing against the program but I don't really participate that much anymore, although I support those that do. Whatever helps you is good.

>>741236010
Spirituality is fine, do what you to do to get by in your life. But it shouldn't be court mandated, and medical treatments need to show effectiveness in independent clinical trials.

>>741236343
friday through sunday i go hard, sunday is a weening day, like light drinking and water to try and be functional monday

>>741232659
I love opiates, but I'm taking a break rn. Got
>chills
>stomach cramps
>runny nose
>insomnia
>cravings
It's actually not that bad of a trade off for a ~10 day binge
One upvote if youguess what day of WD im on xD

>>741236429
>Donated space in public buildings

Churches aren't necessarily public buildings, and even if they were, donated space is not "publicly funded." It's literally privately funded. Most AA groups rent spaces in buildings through donations provided by members.

Step 2 is not "swearing allegiance to god," it's believing a higher power can help. That higher power can literally be the AA group itself, although many choose "God." I didn't and I turned out fine.

I have a "just for today" keychain and a silver chip from a couple court ordered meetings I went to once. They were ok, good people but I don't agree with the twelve steps and it seems like a bit of a cult

>>741235777
Yeah it's easy to fall into smoking most of the time.
Sounds sad but I give myself a joint per night.
As a Reward for not drinking I am slowly getting the people back in my life.
If I get asked for a night out they drink coke or other soft drinks.
This makes me un easy but they choose to do it to help me out.

>>741236680
2.5th day.

You'll go through it again, and worse.

>>741236511
Do you believe that you're powerless and consider yourself an addict too? Surprised you're not jailed, institutionalized or dead. According to the 12 steps that's what happens if you stop attending.

>>741236722
Schools are publicly funded.

And God is pretty indisputable::
> 2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
> 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

>>741236886
Just over 24h, it'll be ez though. Then I'll binge until I run out and do it all over again

>>741236956
26 hours and 43 minutes*

>>741236911
Powerlessness means you lose control AFTER you take the first drink. If you avoid the first one, you have all the power in the world - over yourself and your actions, that is. And no, they don't say that. "Meetings" aren't even mentioned in the book "Alcoholics Anonymous" which the program is based off of. They had no meetings back then - all that started afterwards, and anyone who says that is just spouting nonsense. Jails, institutions, and death are what await addicts who don't get sober - not those who stop going to meetings. And no, AA does not have a monopoly on recovery and is not the only way to get sober.

I'm way more educated than you on all of this, but we can keep going if you'd like.

>>741236940
No, it's pretty disputable. Because I'm an addict and a member of AA who's done the 12 steps and is an atheist and has been sober 5 years. So I'm clearly disputing it.