>Your 10 year old daughter wants to be a boy now How do you react?

>>741078949
tell her to get her shit together ... wait she doesnt have one ...

or tell her to man up !

xD

>>741079112
XDDDDDDD

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>>741078949
Bonk her on the head and leave her in a ditch
>not planning on having kids in the first place

When you're 18 and legally an adult you can make that decision. For the time being I can't, in good conscience, let you make such a life altering choice, because you may regret it later.

>>741078949
Tell her to stop being so edgy and get her a job in a factory so she can 'be a man'

>>741078949

Kick her out the house

>>741078949
Bring them to therapists and meet other trans so they can learn what it's like and make sure it's really what they want. Let them cut their hair and dress like they want until old enough to make such a decision on their own to take t.

>>741078949
Ask her if she could just be gay instead

>>741079345
I'm this guy
>>741079420
And I also agree with what this guy said.

>>741078949
shrug

>>741078949
Have another kid that hopefully won't want to mutilate its genitals, try to forget my other kid turned out to be a tumblrina.

>>741078949
>Your 10 year old daughter wants to be a soundcloud rapper

How do you react?

punch her in the face

>>741079536
Botch you ain't thug

>>741078949
Tell her she's just a kid and doesn't know what she's talking about.

>>741078949
you mean you don't want a grown man to put his dick inside you?

>>741079112
>>741079245
>>741079350
>>741079354
>>741079477
>>741079531
>>741079602
People who should never have kids

>end her

>>741078949
Change her name to Tranny McTrannyface.

Fuck her straight.

Pop a cap up her bitch ass

>>741078949
>cancel everything
>move to canada wildlands
>no more internet/tv to corrupt my little girl
>problem solved

>>741079698
transgender faggot detected

>>741080086
She's already been corrupted though.

>>741079923
xD

>>741080218
Hi Anon. I see you called someone a "faggot" I'm assuming you meant this jokingly, but I've been mulling this over in my head for several minutes and it does not sit right.

Let me please (re)iterate you on this word. Not only does it aim hatred at a large group of people that I myself and many of my friends are a part of, the word has the power to tear down and undermine a fight that we have been fighting for decades. I don't know where you stand on the issue, but I'm assuming you value your rights to equality as a citizen of this country.

You may think that this is only a word, a mere configuration of letters, but this word is the foundation that keeps LGBT people held in the depths of inequality, while men like yourself toss around hateful slurs in a joking way thinking immaturely that you are immune to hurting anyone. This is not true. Next time you throw this word out (however jokingly and privately you may thing you are using this- in this era NOTHING is ever private), think about those who have struggled for the right to feel safe in their own country.

The word "faggot" creates a hostile environment and makes many LGBT people feel unsafe around those who have enough power in society to use such words. Don't make me feel unsafe. I have a right to my safety. And although I have tremendous pride in being a mature, strong, bisexual woman, it really sucks when your words get in the way of my pride. Thanks for your attention.

>>741079698
>>741080318
Two faggots detected.

What if one were a girl, and the other a boy, but then they became a boy and a girl, respectively. If they fucked, would it now be gay?

>>741080454
>XX chromosome having sex with XY chromosome
Not gay

>>741080568
Women can be born with xy and men with xx

>>741080454
I see you called someone a "faggot" I'm assuming you meant this jokingly, but I've been mulling this over in my head for several minutes and it does not sit right.

Let me please (re)iterate you on this word. Not only does it aim hatred at a large group of people that I myself and many of my friends are a part of, the word has the power to tear down and undermine a fight that we have been fighting for decades. I don't know where you stand on the issue, but I'm assuming you value your rights to equality as a citizen of this country.

You may think that this is only a word, a mere configuration of letters, but this word is the foundation that keeps LGBT people held in the depths of inequality, while men like yourself toss around hateful slurs in a joking way thinking immaturely that you are immune to hurting anyone. This is not true. Next time you throw this word out (however jokingly and privately you may thing you are using this- in this era NOTHING is ever private), think about those who have struggled for the right to feel safe in their own country.

The word "faggot" creates a hostile environment and makes many LGBT people feel unsafe around those who have enough power in society to use such words. Don't make me feel unsafe. I have a right to my safety. And although I have tremendous pride in being a mature, strong, bisexual woman, it really sucks when your words get in the way of my pride. Thanks for your attention.

>>741079818
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>>741080086
>>741080218
>>741080318
>>741080454
People who should never have children

>>741078949
I encourage her/him. It's a great way to get free attention on 4chan and the internet in general

>>741078949

"If you still wanna be at 18, go ahead"

>>741079698
>>741080867
Person who should not have been a child.

>>741080318
Hey there, a shitty shitty fag fag.

>>741078949
kill her

>>741079698
you are as bad as they are
don't worry, i'm even lower

>>741080827
As long as faggots don't start to brand themselves as faggots it won't get better. Niggers knew how to do it. How to turn weakness into strength. I think this will change with the Gen z

>>741080827
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>>741081023
People who should be sterile

>>741081023
dad?

>>741081124
I don't mind. I don't want children. I rather turn your kids into faggots. It's much easier

>>741080741
It's the opposite faggot

>>741080827
Hey faggot

Testosterone makes them super more horny

>>741079345
>>741079420
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>>741080948
People who might turn out to be good parents

>>741081298
Google Swyer syndrome faggot. Using google more often would prevent you from looking like such an idiot

>>741081070
>turn weakness into strength
Yeah, that's it. It was an antirascist strategy. Not because they are fucking dumb niggers

>>741080948
"dad when I'm 15 I'll move with my GF and start an internet company. Go fuck yourself you piece of shit. MOM!"

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>>741078949
>a boy
Those are lesbians, retarded faggot. Cutting their tits off and sewing a flesh dildo together out of excess skin doesn't make them male

>>741078949
Therapy and medication. Theres no way im letting my kids become circus freaks

>>741079698
t. tranny waste of life. A basement dweller wpuld still make a better parent than a freak like you. You would brainwash your kids with lgbt stuff and make them as fucked up as you

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Cut her eyes and tongue out, put nails in her ears to deafen her and then cut off her hands and feet. Thin the heard of this scum and send a message to the other TransTrenders abominations that they're not welcome.

>>741081907
What about the ones that still wanna fuck guys?

>>741082061
No. I would do this >>741079420 and let them make the decision on their own. Also don't assume everyone ok with trans is one. You sound like a child.

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I'd ask her how it feels to have such a tiny cock that could never pleasure a woman.

>>741082061
I'd do the same to your kids without you noticing

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>>741082747
They don't exist, imbecile. Life isn't a Tumblr account for homosex shutins

>>741082490
You sound qualified for the new Australia initiative. We take people who can't get along with others and put them on an island to co exist with themselves. Anyone with a problem with another persons existence that doesn't actually affect them is pre qualified for the boat.

>>741083110
I've met three. Two full trans the other just a cross dresser but all into men

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>>741082747
Like that tranny on Survivor? That shit is like 3D next-level mental illness.

>>741078949
Stop fucking her, because I'm not a faggot

>>741083274
Lol, tell she can do it only if she talks her brother into becoming a girl.

>>741083242
I think it's interesting. It shows that attraction isn't affected by sex. Even the people who feel like they are in the wrong body still know what they're attracted to and sometimes it's the "same" sex. Fascinating.

>>741079698
Poster who is probably a jew.

>>741083242
>>741083387
For instance did you know male and female brains are shaped a bit different? They've done studies on some trans and their brain shape was that of the sex they aligned with. How is this stuff not amazing? Humans are fucking weird.

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>>741083129
You sound like a fucking faggot. "another persons existence that doesn't actually affect them..."

These fucking tumblr trash liberal faggots are changing laws, changing language and changing the very definitions of what it means to be a man or woman. I like your idea of filling boats though. I think we should start with staff at liberal arts colleges and work are way down through media and online social platform managers who think trans people aren't mentally ill. Fill the boats and sink them.

>>741083662
It'd be easier to empty the country of people like you but feel free to set up this trash island of liberals. Just send me the ticket to my boat

Why do they all want to turn into stupid looking fuck boys?

>>741079698
>>741080867
Jew detected

That's preferable honestly.

>>741083477
>>741083975
Are you guys upset you didn't make it to the should be parents list? Don't have kids

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>>741083872
I've got a golden ticket especially for you sweetheart. People like you are a mistake and wont last long. You have no place in the real world and only exist in the filth created by your kind online.

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>>741078949
I mean if she's ugly she might as well wear guy clothes cuz she's gonna have to actually work for the rest of her life.

>>741078949
I smother her.

>>741084131
People like me how? White? Straight? Male? Willing to have an open mind and support my kid?

>>741083662
Scares you doesn't it? The gays and homosex's are coming for YOU anon!!

Seriously though yoire on the wrong side of history and you probably know it.

You're no different than the slave owners, confederates bigots, "desperate but equal"-ers, anti-globalists and ALLLLLLLLLLL the other backwoods "traditionalists" who see their way of life threatened.

Things keep changing, and they'll keep on changing. Down the road it'll be something else and you'll have to get used to that as well.

The best part is in all of this nobody is thinking or caring about you. I'm glad you have nothing better to do than try to dictate others lives but you're going to be ignored and before long, left behind.

Stay mad, stay scared, stay in the past.

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>>741078949
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>741078949
accept that id failed as a parent and end myself

>>741084275
Support and nurture a mental illness? Yes, people like you. If we were talking about someone who's child wanted to cut off their leg because they were jealous of the boy at summer camp that only had one leg but got all the attention, it'd be a different story right? Children are not capable of making such complex life changing decisions you twat, and allowing them to believe it's "ok" is just giving them permission to be wrong. Do your research, you'll find that children that start hormones before puberty have an extremely hard time with sex change surgeries and generally end up keeping their adolescent genitalia in to adulthood. Furthermore, there's an increased risk of cancer in trans people due to hgh and hormone therapies, and letting a child jump in head first will stunt their growth and increase their chance of disease.

You must be young and fucking uneducated.

>>741084655
Wanna show us what that might look like?

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>>741084842
not unless you get trips

>>741084536
Just wait until real life shows up and forces you to be a real person. War, Catastrophic weather, Meteorological emergency.. We'll see who ends up on the wrong side of history. All your faggot ass lady bois and manly women are going to be rolled.

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mechanism for over population.

>>741085037
Are you saying we would survive an apocalyptic event (like weather or a meteor) if it wasn't for the gays and trans?

If you want to curb mental illness it sounds like you should start on yourself home slice

Switch from pussy to ass

>>741084275
>open mind
means you have no morals and completely lack any sort of imagination.
put yourself in your childs shoes, put yourself in the girl who she tricks into thinking is a boy and will be forever labeled gay with aids because of it.

everyone thinks their life sucks, but only retards think switching genders will in any way improve their life or their situation

not to mention the fact that this shit is literally tearing apart the very foundations which society is built upon. have fun trying to pick up genuine girls at a bar, or protect yourself from some horny faggots pretending to be a girl who's hitting on you while you're drunk out your mind. americas society is untrustworthy enough as it is, we don't need more liars and big fat phoneys ruining some of the staples of american culture.

>>741085256
No, I'm saying the trans crybaby attention whores that live off protesting and bitching about rights won't survive if they had to depend on themselves for a change. I can't wait for a socioeconomic crash to force you all back in to reality.

>>741084804
You're assuming quite a lot of things there. First I would do something like this >>741079420 make sure it's not something they'll regret. I've done some research and I would do more if the situation happened. But I'd let them make the decision at 18. You and I will never agree but I don't know what I'd call it. Maybe it is a mental illness. I just don't think repression is the way to treat it. I've met people who are genuinely happier. If that's what my daughter wanted and we've taken the steps to make sure she won't regret it I'll support them should they choose.

>>741078949
Why do they look like faggots?

I know they'll never look like men, but shit, you don't need to look like a businessman's rent boy

>>741085037
Seriously, answer this question without a single straw man:

Why do YOU care?

Can't claim its a health issue because people can't go 5 minutes without doing something unhealthy (fast food, soda, smoking, fucking sunlight) and I don't imagine you're going to bat against cigarettes or the sun.

Probably isn't something that's effected you directly. I imagine you haven't had to deal with anyone lgbt for more than a few minutes and even if you did, nobody is making you.

So what is it? How do others lives and what they do to their body affect you?

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>>741085302
>have fun trying to pick up genuine girls at a bar, or protect yourself from some horny faggots pretending to be a girl who's hitting on you while you're drunk out your mind

Took a tranny home one night didn't you anon?

You know that counts right? You're as much a faggot as the people you hate.

>>741085302
This. To let anyone go through with this is to ruin their life

>>741085560
See, in Canada right now they're taking away the ability to question the child's gender and taking them to therapy is being viewed the same as trying to brainwash a gay person straight. Good luck with that.

>>741085302
I read your whole post and what stood out the most is you don't socialise much. Go out and meet some of these people you hate so much. As for morals just try to be a good person

>>741084536
>doesn't think a mental illness should be an excuse to mutilate oneself
>doesn't believe a mental illness should be an excuse to change the way you converse with people
>doesn't believe you should try changing scientific fact to fit your narrative because the fact makes you upset
i love how you brought up slavery and slavers. as the people perpetuating this shit are the ones profiting from this mental illness, just like slavers and slave traders did.
does someone who speaks their opinion, speak facts, and is worried about the wrong people making use of a mental illness to get rich, really seem like the bad person?

or do the shitbags trying to instill mental illness into CHILDREN to the point where wasting money on becoming a bimbo, having surgeries (which are life threatening) that they've so brainwashed and delusioned into believing will somehow make them happy (it doesn't, they're just as likely to kill themselves).
yeah, you're definitely in the wrong, as are all the libtards trying to profit and propagate this illness. i'd even go so far as to call you worse than human traffickers and slavers, as they didn't try to brainwash you into mutilating thyself for their own gain, you could at least tell they were evil and knew it.
you shitbags prance around as if you're decent fucking people, when really you're the worst of them all

>>741085820
I never said I agreed with Canada.

>>741085774
Sounds like he got fucked in the ass by one

>>741085558
Ok but you listed war (which people who aren't in charge have no control over), asteroids, and weather. Then also somehow think that dictates what side of history people will fall on.


Tell you what. If a asteroid hits and for even a SECOND a tranny is slowing down your survival, you kick that tranny in the "whatever they have" and you run from that asteroid towards the history books.

Maybe if you made coherent arguments people would take you seriously

>>741085820
Canada has far worse problems than that believe me anon

>>741084536
>all different ideas are good
>change is always good
>change = progress
grow up, faggot.

>>741086148
Sure thing, kiddo

>>741085831
the people i hate are the ones trying to perpetuate a mental illness
i'd rather not surround myself with shitbags trying to get rich off of someones disease, i'd rather not be around brainwashing scumbags

if being a good person in your eyes means sitting back complacently watching someone mutilate their bodies, while telling children that it's okay if they want to do the same, then you clearly have no sense of morality or even the slightest clue of what a good person is.

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>>741086129
My point here is that Canada is trying to be more progressive and side with mental illness. It's going to go too far and the system will break. Trannys can do what they want right now, but the other foot is about to drop.

>can't use arithmetic or drive a car
>"capable" of choosing to use hormones to better identify as what they say is a made-up social construct

>>741085840
WOW! This post fucking went places! I'm just not even going to sift through this crazy. But for those playing at home (or basement), here's what I want as a libtard cuck:

Do whatever you want to your own body and life, just do your best not to get in the way of other people's lives.

You want a tattoo, go for it. You wanna be a different gender, good luck! You wanna smoke yourself into a 30 year old grave, here's a fucking light.

Again why do you concern yourself with others lives? if you get to can I dictate yours? Get off the internet, it's bad for you and you clearly don't know what you're doing.

>>741086452
Trannies aren't going to break the system. Its already rotted to hell. Trannies and all this other shit is just a result of decades of degeneration. Most of them would be fucked beyond repair without any of this tranny stuff, just go lurk their safe spaces. Most of them are crazy and unreasonable

>>741078949
this would be my reaction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNWJt-yihEg

>>741086579
I bet you're cool with pedophiles too as long as they don't abuse children right? Just let them be?

Kill yourself.

tell her that I need to put her down for the sake of the human species

shoot her in the head

>>741086148
Not once did I even use the word "good" or the word "progress".

>CongratsYouJustPlayedYourself.gif


Also I was just pointing out the futility in fighting change, not arguing it's merit.

>>741086318
How are they brainwashing? How are they profiting? I do truly want to hear why you think that. And yeah if someone who is an adult wants to "mutilate" themselves they should be able. I don't see it as mutilation if it is changing their bodies in a way that they consider treating this "mental illness". And why not especially if they've been through therapy and know it's what they want? They're an adult. So what if it's permanent? People can get tattoos right? Plastic surgery? It sounds to me like you aren't giving people a chance and that's not a very good person. There are people who let their kids take hormones at young ages and go through such a process but I don't agree with that and not everyone who supports trans do. Learn about both sides. Tell me about the profit and brainwashing.

Personally I don't care. They end up sterilizing themselves anyways and probably were mentally unstable to begin with so as long as I ain't paying for their surgeries I don't think it's relevant

>>741086737
Nope, that's a different thing altogether.


Bet you're into analy raping cats that you find in New York in ally's between 55th and 73rd.

>>741086452
Let's do it better then. Just because there are some other laws in other countries doesn't mean we have to copy them

>>741078949
what daughter?

>>741087102
Caught me, but at least it's not children amiright?

Trans, faggs, pedos, furries, they're all the same thing. Crossed wires as a form of population control, but now it's illegal to take them out behind the barn.

>>741078949
>>741078949
Corn cob up the ass. Tell her she has a life of that ahead of her.

>>741087022
This!

They should have to pay for it (like any cosmetic surgery) and any follow up treatment. Beyond that who cares

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkrr_SeeEQ0

>>741086794
>what is implication

>>741087284
>crossed wires as a form of population control
actually an intriguing concept

>>741078949
They atually look decent as males.
I mean, still like androgyne hipster douchebags, but they pass as males for the most part.

>>741087519
>Implying I don't know what an implication implies

>>741087577
Yep, they won the shit lottery.
For us normal folk, it's a huge burden to deal with though. I don't want to bring children in to this fucking disgusting world.

Fuck her so she can experience what it's like to be a woman before she makes her decision.

>>741078949
1. Knock up my wife.
2. Have my wife rape my "son"
3. Put my son on the hook for child support.
4. New child, all expenses paid.

>>741087284

There's that phony concern about kids again!

>>741087811
>would rather have a potato child than trans child
>"he'd" be sterile anyway

>>741087781
Almost like a second form of population control

>>741088247
Not even Ellen likes her you think fellow trans do?

>>741088426
>Her

>>741088552
>wants to be a him again

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Calmly sit her down and explain that self confidence comes from self acceptance and pretending to be someone else will not bring her happiness

>>741089192
What if she does it at 18?

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>>741089387
Same advice applies.
if you cant accept the person in the mirror looking back at you first thing in the morning then you will never be truly happy.

>>741089747
That's sound advice. Although some people are born with some really unfortunate features and they have a hard time being happy until plastic surgery.But then I'd assume you'll say same for them. There is a lot of great advice out there but sometimes it's not for you

>>741078949
Force her to fuck 300 girls with a strapon.

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>>741089747
Trannies are fucking disgusting

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>>741078949
Show her this video and see if she still wants to be a chick with a dick.

>>741089747
Your pic is fake news. Average of nine months after surgery they only have to do it once a day and some may be fine with even less frequency. It can also be done with just sex at that point. The hair thing is an early post op issue but doesn't always happen.

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>>741090249
True to an extent but although appearance is the first thing people notice, it is the least important or interesting trait. it is personality that is actually appreciated and that all comes from self confidence.

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>>741091035
Point taken.

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>>741091058
>pussies give self confidence.

>>741078949
Tell her no because she will literally live life on easy mode from age 12 on.

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>>741091166
>suicide rate in the trans community

>>741091058
I agree it's the least important. It's also the easiest to change. People find their self confidence in different ways and for some that's through a change of appearance whether it be permanent like tattoos or surgery, or as simple as clothes and makeup.

Tell them to wait until puberty ends before they do anything rash. If after puberty, she still wants to be a he, I'll still love him.

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>>741091166

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>>741091462
OR...or maybe you shove them in an industrial shredder and try again. Maybe keep them away from fag supporters and media this time.

Mistakes make great garden mulch.

>>741091462
The whole point is that its far easier to transition before puberty happens.

>>741078949
>chances of rape reduced pretty well
>am ok with this

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>>741091635
This is ultimatley what trannies and progressives want. A complete clusterfuck of genders/genderfluidity/science-off-the-leash with a mentality of "because we CAN do it we SHOULD do it".

Currently we have an entire generations culture based off of saying "I hate you, Dad!"

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>>741091357
I'm not saying don't comb your hair or look your best, but the majority of transvestites / transsexuals want to fundamentally change who they are, it is most often an inversion of who they are that they are trying to become.

>>741091640
OROR we continue to shun the hateful and intolerant people from society. That's been working ok so far and I think if we step up our efforts the world might be rid of people like you in my lifetime!

Plans A and/or C are what I'm voting for. I could go either way

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>>741091856

>>741091035

>Says its fake news

>Agrees with everything said

>>741091819
I want trannies to be accepted and encouraged, purely because they're just so gosh darn sexy, you know?

>>741080318
I'm sorry, queer. What?

>>741078949
explain to them that this is going to take years of subtle experimentation and change. start sessions with a reputable therapist. allow her to cut her hair, wear boy clothes. come up with a boyish nickname for her to use, but hold of on legally changing her name until after 18. give her a hug and say "boy or girl, you will always be my child and i will always. always love you"

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>>741091957

>>741091957

Thats fucking gross

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>>741091992
And I want to be a billionaire that owns the Lakers.

We don't always get what we want.

>>741078949
I drop the biggest, fattest DAB on her and she'll be so served that she'll go to the kitchen and not come back

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>>741092104
before

>>741091968
>doesn't know the definition of agree

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>>741092104
>>741092232
after

>>741092190
You could if you worked for it hard enough no one is stopping you. Is this why you are trying to stop other people's dreams?

>>741092270
as a straight guy i think this is heartbreaking, but on the other hand i think people should be as they wish. if he's genuinely happier this way then so be it. good on him.

>>741086737
pedophiles who don't abuse children is like... 70% of /b/

>>741092270
Show what he looks like now. That's an inbetween at best

>>741092232

Damn you had an amazing rack, RIP

>>741092260

You just parroted what anon said but added a little stipulation retard.

>>741078949

I beat the fucking stupid out of her.

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>>741092270
Nope. Still.

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>>741092367
>genuinely happier
you can't be happy if you goal is to completely change who you are.as a person.

Its self destruction

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>>741091819
To be fair your argument is largely straw men, innacruate facts and "I don't like it".

Kids though right? They are the future so it sounds like things aren't going to shake out your way (damn shame).

>>741082061
transvestite faggot detected

>>741092674

Islam will take over and kill all you retarded fucks.

>Your 10 year old daughter wants to start smoking and drinking
>How do you react?

If your kid isn't mature enough to have a smoke when they drink with you, then why should you let them make life decisions like changing their sex?

>>741092545
That makes less than no sense. By this logic people should never try to better themselves.

Try way way waaaaaaay harder

>>741092533
That mouth looks like a prolapsed anus.

>>741086837
>surgeons don't get paid for their work
>being a stupid fucking bimbo doesn't cost money for makeup, wigs, clothings, etc
>having more whores (who can charge more because they claim to be girls)
>having a spotlight for any faggot who's a deranged attentionwhore to claim 5 minutes of fame
yeah, there's totally no one profiting from this. the media just forces shit down everyones throats because that's the time of day, and not what they plan to profit out of.
welcome to capitalism, people are inherently bad. you should always assume the worst.

>>741086837
>And yeah if someone who is an adult wants to "mutilate" themselves they should be able.

go tell a shizophrenic person that the edge of that cliff is what their illusion is telling them (a bridge) when in reality they're going to fall to their deaths upon a bunch of rocks. i mean they're adults aren't they? they want to cross that bridge don't they? he's an adult though, and you told him the grass isn't greener on the other side, why wouldn't you tell him to embrace his delusion and walk across that bridge?

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>>741092339
I could. But there's an element of timing, luck and outside resources that kind of limits that sort of thing.

But no matter how much trannies wish-i-may and wish-i-might, they're never going to be anything than a frankenstein's monster version of the opposite sex.

They're a surgical approximation. And like people who suffer from BIID, they find that even with a limb removed or a dick cut off, they still will feel incomplete and want more and more surgeries because the problem is a psychological one. It's a mental illness.

But because a bunch of fags in the 60's and 70's stomped their feet and held their breath and kicked up a fuss, the DSM was revised to say it wasn't a mental illness. So now because of social pressure, treating or curing that illness is at a stand still.

If Schizos had the same protests, the voices in their head would have voting rights today.

>>741078949
they look like average faggot

>>741092545
You assume who you are as a person is the outside but it is the inside isn't it? They should be able to change the outside and still keep who they are

>>741092791
Are you the one that blamed trans people for apocalyptic, environmental based events or are there two people this stupid?

>>741078949
>lock in basement and use as cum dump
>obtain new daughter

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>>741092848
Mutilating your body is bettering yourself?

>>741093011

You really think the Muslims will put up with this shit? Once Islam takes over in 100 years all of you will be dead.

>>741078949

I throw him a pack of tampons and tell them not to be such a pussy

>>741086837
>Tell me about the profit and brainwashing.
>relentless campaigns over the internet, on t.v, advertisements
or are you claiming that these things don't have an affect on peoples minds?
do you not know about woman having an insanely high anerexia and body image issues and think it happens for no reason?

if you believe people should have the liberty to destroy themselves, then i suggest you take up your own advice and do it to yourself. god forbid you suffer a lapse of judgement then act on said lapse, only to suffer its effects for the rest of your life

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>>741092969
These people have body dysphoria.

you wouldn't say to a person with anorexia that they are fat would you? Why encourage this behavior

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>>741092674
My major problem with the social climate today is that it's driven by a bunch of college and high school students who know precisely fuck-all about life. But they're sure they know what's best.

So did I when I was a kid. I thought much as they did, to one extreme or another.

But eventually you grow up and you see the world not as you want it to be, but for what it is. Sure you work for change, but it's realistic change.

The complete acceptance of trannies, especially this quickly, is not realistic. They're a smaller group and only recently have been bringing up their issues to courts.

It's been 400 years with black people and people are still calling them niggers and killing them. So good luck with the tranny thing. I'm sure it'll be accepted in about 200 years or so. We have twitter now, after all.

i ain't going pay dat fuckin surgeon bitch! i have na daughter slut

>>741093120
Im going to be dead in 100 years either way.

If they want to get rid of trans.... And you- OMG YOURE ISIS!!

>>741080827
Cancer right here folks

>>741086579
did you miss anons post? here let me quote it for you
>>741083662
>These fucking tumblr trash liberal faggots are changing laws, changing language and changing the very definitions of what it means to be a man or woman.
hmm sure appears to be affecting everyone afterall.. maybe you should think about the children, because these psychopaths are also raising children to believe this ridiculousness. hope you have fun as your culture quickly dies becuase scumbags are trying to profit off a mental illness.

>why concern yourself with someone else's life
what you wouldn't help someone who feels like killing themselves? or only if they're in someway related to you would you help the person?
how is helping someone who wants to mutilate and undergo severe life threatening surgery any different?

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>>741078949
beat the faggot out of them

>>741093253
Wait! Are you arguing that we should take progress slow? Apply this logic ANYWHERE else!


>computers are becoming more powerful than they should at this rate, we should stop for a while and let people adjust.

It's also not JUST kids. There are plenty of people from generations all the way back to the boomers. Maybe they don't have everything figured out but at least they fight for something they want, rather than against something someone else wants.

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>>741093337

This is clearly this most retarded post on 4chan right now.

>>741093109
fucking gross. images like this make me want to convert to Islam.

>>741078949
Beat the fuck out of her.

>>741093109
lets say you dont like your crooked nose. you have missing teeth. you have a small bottom jaw. your drop a ton of weight and have all this loose skin hanging off you. your body just generally has something with it that doesn't rest well with you. day and night. you always see it. its not something anyone else has ridiculed you about. its something that you just wish wasnt the way it is.

lets say you have the chance to get that surgically or medically changed. you have the money and youre willing to deal with the pain, the costs and the risks. how's that the territory of another person's authority? it isn't. even if the change is something other people might not find appealing or agree with or even understand. its not their area to be in control of. period

>>741092869
Your posts brings a lot of questions. Who exactly is profiting? The surgeons? Are they promoting transisitioning? Last I heard it's hard to find one. Who has more whores? Who's transitioning just to be a whore? What media spotlight? Jenner? Of course they would jump on a form or sport star becoming trans and milk all the news out of it as they could. What other media spotlight?

There is no point bringing up other illnesses as if I'd say they all have the same cure. What is wrong with letting an adult who wants to transition do it?

>>741078949
i'd fuck it whatever there is between the legs

>>741093109
I think you should do whatever you want to yourself or life if it makes you happy.

>>741080318
Shut up faggot

>>741091940
>intolerant
you mean someone with a common sense and enough brain sells to retain facts and a sense of reason?
>his dick is only in your ass, it's okay though becuase you can tolerate just the tip
>better learn to tolerate it all now because you have to tolerate the fact that it needs to go all in
why aren't you tolerant enough to get on your knees and blow me for an hour?

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>>741093253
i love how conservatives always use their children as a defense when something triggers them and they need a good goto for the media. these fuckers don't think twice about beating, raping, and generally terrorizing children until they're a handy secular-friendly shield for their crippling phobia of anything that isn't exactly like them.

>>741093723
Does it make them happy? Once they change themselves they seem awfully miserable about not being able to change other people.

>>741092891
They seem to be ok with being a Frankenstein monster version. I've met a few really happy ones. I've also known people who've had plastic surgery too. It takes a real dick to go around calling someone who clearly wants to look like something else a monster.
They also don't go asking for more surgeries. Maybe if you met some you'd realise they're still people despite the surgery. Schizos are another story

>>741093466
How does it affect you then? Give me an instance that your life has changed because of laws implemented in regards to trans people.


I'd bet you've not only never helped someone suicidal, but have probably done what you can (online at least) to push people towards it.

You also assume that the surgery always ends badly.

What about the cases where the person was happier afterwards?

What about dangerous plastic surgeries people get everyday to drastically Shane their look?

What about non-essential, non-cosmetic surgeries like gastric bypass? That's life threatening, technically doesn't have to happen, and changes you forever.

>>741093964
well what's the choices? make the change for themselves and deal with an avalanche of shit from ignorant shitheels or spend the rest of their lives suffering in bitter silence and pretending nothing's wrong, eventually dying and knowing they never did what they wanted to with their one chance at freedom?

>>741093623
It's called mocking. I'm sure you've experienced it but maybe it's called something else where you're from.

>>741093238
That's a different illness with a different treatment. So no I wouldn't.

>>741093798
None of this post is an actual argument. I'll just assume you don't have one.

>>741094215

Retard loser cant read the secret message in my post. HAHAHA what a retard.

>>741093178
What campaigns? I watch quite a lot of tv. Of course they have an affect. As you said a lot of promoted anexria in models to young girls.
The reason we'll never agree is because you think of it as destroying when I know people who see it as the thing that saved their life.

>>741094130
weakness shouldn't be tolerated in society. if someone is struggling with thoughts of suicide they should be pushed until they get over it, or do it and let the rest of the world move on.

surgery always looks fake and freakish. cosmetic surgery should only be done if the person is horribly disfigured and unsuitable to be seen in broad daylight.

none of them are ever happier after surgery. they just become dramaqueen martyrs that constantly complain about people's reactions to the freakish choices theyve made.

some plastic surgery is necessary when the face or body is disfigured by accident or birth. there IS such a thing as normalcy and that's what plastic surgeons aspire to do, not turn a person into their own grotesque fantasy.

there's a difference. like it or not.

>>741093964
Aaaaaand some aren't? It's almost like different people have different experiences.

>>741093694
>Who has more whores?
pimps obviously, have you literally never left the house past your curfew?

>>741093694
>What is wrong with letting an adult who wants to undergo life threatening and body mutilating surgery, do it?
gee aside from the previously aforementioned reasons? maybe because they're just as unhappy and likely to killthemselves post op?
maybe because psychopaths shouldn't be given tens of thousands of dollars after clearly profiting off a mental illness? tell me why are you not allowed to ingest specific drugs, yet you're allowed to mutilate your body to fool yourself, and hopefully fool, the rest of society into believing your delusions?

maybe because real people have this thing called empathy, and when you're not of sound mind someone else can notice and prevent you from harming yourself, rather than this bullshit you keep spewing "it doesn't affect you, what do you care"
EMPATHY, SYMPATHY, hope that a society goes out of its way to help said society, rather than trying to profit off of the sick and weak members of said society

twitch dot tv thypnotics

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>>741093680
You are free to do what you want with your body.
Cosmetic surgery can fix a single issue you have like say rhinoplasty, its your prerogative if you want to get this procedure done.

Hormones and gender reassignment surgery is permanent and is not the same thing.

Giving a child hormones is child abuse.

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>>741093620
>Apply this logic anywhere else.

Scientific Discovery. Social Change. Imagine we had a Iron-Man-esque AI system today like JARVIS, and made it commercially available to everyone. They just said "here ya go, open source, run it on a PC and hook it up to the internet"

And it can take over other systems, automate machinery, design new technologies, etc.

And suddenly everyones systems are hacked, the concept of privacy? Gone. New technologies popping up at an astronomical rate. Self improvement every few months, then weeks. Then days.

Not to mention the dangers of an omnipotent intelligence. You don't think that would be damaging?

Same applies with progressive social laws. We pass a bunch of laws tomorrow, all people have to, by penalty of fine/imprisonment/legal action, accept the gender of what anyone says. Otherkin? Fine, you're now a dog or wolf or dragon.

You don't think a majority of society would chafe against that? 300+ years of men and womens separate bathrooms, but because a a 300,000 trannies out of a population of nearly 400 million wants the world to play their game of "lets pretend", we have to - or else? Because they're not going to do it voluntarily.

Social change is slow and gradual. It wasn't until the 1920's that we even let WOMEN vote for fucks sake. So yes, forcing immediate change can be damaging.

Hell, there's even gay people who can't stand transexuals and think they're a blight on their community. Gays and Lesbians often can't stand one another - Look at a gay pride parade and how fucking insane and politicized that is internally, not to mention external resistance to it.

So yeah, change and progression needs to be slow or few people will accept it.

>>741094499
You ignored the non-essential, non-cosmetic surgeries part.

So you're against ALL cosmetic surgery? Like, it's cool if you have a preference but your opinion means nothing to the population at large and I'm gonna guess people are going to go on getting surgeries big and small.

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>>741094665
what the fuck is that thing supposed to be? A house elf?

>>741093253
This quickly? They've been fighting for 50+ years. Even so what's wrong with quick progress?

>>741094495
>saved their life.
do you realize how you sound?
>me pretending to be a girl saved my life!
>me mutilating my genitalia for this disgusting painfull mess saved my life
fuckoff liar, you're an enemy of the state and regurgitating your propaganda only proves your current psy op tactic

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>>741094217
What about Jewel Shuping. She made herself blind by pouring bleach into her eyes because she claims to have "Body Integrity Identity Disorder"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdRihAJ3H9Q
This is mental illness

>>741094665
i agree that children shouldn't be given hormones. that's as fucked up as when we thought it was okay to give prozac to 13 year olds.

but after 18, if the person really still struggles with gender dysphoria and has wanted to do something about it and they have the means and wherewithal to do so, then okay.

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>>741094687
get on my level faggot
pic related

>>741094665
>>741094828

I would put my penis in that house elf

>>741094824
all except for in the event of repairing disfigurement that makes someone socially unacceptable to look at.

body mods, tattoos, nose jobs, face lifts, etc. its all just hedonism and fashion applied permanently to the flesh. its disgusting and the fact that its allowed is for-profit quackery.

>>741093694
>What media spotlight? Jenner?
that guy who lopped off his dick so he could give his little girl access to the "famous" community?
yeah they gained nothing from this bullshit right..
money money money, t.v shows, money money money just for talking and showing up to events
money money money

>>741093950
so? it works doesnt it?

>>741094909
but anon it doesn't hurt you, they're hurting themselves
let the crazies hurt themselves
who cares who's making mad bank off of their suffering
who cares if it's even then doing it to themselves
MONEY MONEY MONEY
forgo any sense of empathy or sympathy, think about all the money involved!

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>>741094687
Also, on the same topic, Look at CRISPR. We recently just edited a disease out of an embryo. They destroyed it right after, but what happens when we bring them to term? How do we determine the ethics of it?

The technology is going to spread, other groups with other agendas are going to use it, not just the U.S. What do we do if we do identify "the gay gene"? Do you think Arab Countries are going to balk at getting rid of it because they consider it a disease? They throw fags off the top of roofs. Plus, if we get shit wrong, people can die, and not just the recipients. So maybe we take the time to see what can be done with the technology as well as what SHOULD be done. Jeff Goldblums quote in Jurassic Park comes to mind.

The current generation want's everything now. Now now now. Because that's how they've lived. They want it, order off amazon and they can have it in a few hours if they're willing to pay. They have 24 hour superstores where we can get virtually anything at any time. But there's advantages to taking things slow. Going slow allows you to see where you're going.

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>>741094920
Completely agree about Prozac.

I agree that ultimately you are free to do what you want with your body. But if your dream is to change your gender, its impossible and you will most likely be unhappy with the results

>>741095376
this is the current state of the tranny debate.
simply forgo any human emotion, and think about profits. ignore who or how it hurts people/society.

this world makes me sick, i refuse to believe i was born into a world where such awful people not only exist but are so widespread throughout the planet.

>>741094830
see
>>741094687
>>741095518

>>741078949
Don't change anything
pedobear.jpeg

>>741095555
i think if people have practical expectations of what the outcome will be from surgical/hormonal treatment and understand that, then they're happy. no, you cant change your chromosomes, but i'd hate for someone to have to spend their every waking day wishing they had/didnt have breasts or were more masculine/femenine and just forcing themselves to pretend they don't want it for the sake of everyone else around them.

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>>741094909
Yep. BIID is basically the same as people who are trannies. It's a mental illness. No doctor would ever amputate a healthy limb.

But because fags protested the DSM review board in the 60's and 70's, the board capitulated to social pressure and took homosexuality and it's variations off of the mental disorder index and put it in the category of "sexual deviations". Sow you can get your healthy cock chopped up and turned inside out and butchered, and get pumped up with a lifetime of synthetic hormones. Just like nature intended.

And now trannies and gays are universally loved and accepted. Because the doctors said so. Because an emotional argument will always beat out a logical one.

>>741081124

Everyone should be sterile.

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>>741094920
Along with medication, I find negative reinforcement can be effective as well.

>>741095518
>but what happens when we bring them to term? How do we determine the ethics of it?

it is unethical, as the known effects of these gene mutations/deletions are unknown. it is unreasonable as we don't know how it could hurt humanity by using this technique (both long term and short), not only on humans but with plants or insects. (they could've wiped out zika the moment it popped up, they were smart enough not to use crispr though as it would have a strong domino effect on the rest of the foodchain)

>>741095818
>were more masculine/femenine and just forcing themselves to pretend they don't want it for the sake of everyone else around them.
why? fat people have breasts, do they undergo life threatening surgery to remove it? no they improve their health via excersize/diet
liposuction is retarded and reserved for elites with money to waste (stupidly as they just get fat ending up needing more lipo), although admittedly it would be better for society if it were covered by universal healthcare as opposed to lopping off someones genitalia considering the complications with being fat (and the utter lack of complications of having a cock n balls).

fuck it in the pussy every day, teach it that since it takes dick, it is a FEMALE

>>741094531
You live around a place that has actual pimps? You know that's not common. Do these pimps have a lot of trans? Where are you from?

A lot of your arguments hinge on opinion. You say they are unhappy, I personally know ones that aren't. Maybe they're more likely to kill thrmsrlves post op because they get bullied or hated. There's probably other factors.
What psychopaths are getting this money? I don't know why we're not allowed to ingest certain drugs. I don't necessarily agree with it. You assume my position on a lot of stuff. Do you know a bad person who happens to be trans? No need for the projection.

At the end of the day your empathy and sympathy seems misguided. It's probably killed some people who just wanted to live looking different

>>741078949
Laugh in her face and make her feel stupid, that will straighten her out.

>>741096234
you havent enforced shit.

>>741094864
I'm saying I know someone who was suicidal and after transitioning is now happily married. So yeah, saved their life.

>>741096320
>it is unethical, as the known effects of these gene mutations/deletions are unknown. it is unreasonable as we don't know how it could hurt humanity by using this technique (both long term and short), not only on humans but with plants or insects. (they could've wiped out zika the moment it popped up, they were smart enough not to use crispr though as it would have a strong domino effect on the rest of the foodchain)

It's unethical now, but they invented it specifically so we can use it in for this exact purpose in the future. It will eventually be used.

But by the argument of the people saying progress should be fast, we should begin human experimentation immediately, and ignore the ethical and social consequences, because if it's fast progress it's good.

Which is why I say again: Kids and a lot of early 20-somethings are fucking idiots with no idea of how the world actually works. They're literally children, knowing only what they want and not thinking of the impact to others or on the future.

>>741078949
ONE ON THE RIGHT IS BEST BOY

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>>741094909
Imaging a situation where I knew this person and they had been to therapists and this was something they wanted so bad they were going to do it with bleach then yeah I'd say why not let her donate the eyes or some shit?

>>741095191
Who are you talking about?

>>741096420
>You live around a place that has actual pimps?
you live in such a sheltered hell that you don't know what a pimp looks like when you see it?
or are you still just a stupid fucking child and not allowed outside past 9pm?

brothels, whores, pimps, not common?
is this fucking guy serious?
am i being trololololed?

>>741096420
>A lot of your arguments hinge on opinion.
like what? see the statistics yourself, they're just as likely if not moreso to kill themselves post op.
most normal people aren't happy, so the bullshit about you knowing people who are, i assume is more bullshit.
>I don't know why we're not allowed to ingest certain drugs. I don't necessarily agree with it. You assume my position on a lot of stuff.
it was a rhetorical question dumbass, but keep trying to slander, it'll totally help your baseless argument that we should let those weak and suffering suffer because their suffering doesn't affect you.

i never told anyone but my ex gfs how to dress or look, and even then i didn't make a big deal of it (except that one time it could've gotten us in trouble). people are bringing to light the fact that these same shitbags who make money off selling nose jobs are obviously the same shitbags who perpetuate body image issues.
those sick bastards have killed far more with their advertisements than anyone tell someone basic scientific fact.

>>741096320
>guys with gyno

>>741096814
>It will eventually be used.
to remove diseases (and inadvertantly all hair on the human body, lol that's going to be funny when it happens)
it comes at with great risk.
also imagine if china got access to this, they already abort any baby that's going to be a girl.
they'll just produce boys nonstop if they're allowed to use this shit on humans

>>741096814
There's a movie that explores that

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>>741096959
Because it would technically be illegal for them to do it. It would be an unnecessary surgery. Plus, the Hippocratic oath.

Plenty of BIID patients eschew psychological care,because they know better than other people. They often fly down to south america or other 3rd world shitholes where they find surgeons who will do it for outrageous sums.

A lot of the patients who survive say they feel a weight has been lifted. Until the condition makes something else feel out of place. A foot, or an arm or something else. And then they have THAT removed. And the circle repeats.

It's self destruction as a mental illness. Same as people who are transexuals. They think it will fix them,but it pretty much never does. There's a lot of regret later on. It's why the suicide rate is so high.

In the 80's, only 2 places would do SRS: Johns Hopkins and some joint in the netherlands. They would put the applicant through rigorous psychological screenings and they would often reject them on several criteria.

But today, more people studied it in med school,and because #faglove they'll do it for anyone. After they signed a mountain of waivers, because there's so much regret afterwards, they'd get sued constantly if they didn't.

Fortunately, most trannies kill themselves before or after the sugery. So we don't have to deal with them much. The only reason there's so many trans kids today is because it's fashionable. Like people who cut and post it to tumblr/instagram. Lots of fat., ugly girls who want to be boys.

>>741096955
we both know you'd be too chicken-shit to call her anything other than ma'am in public. but hey, this is a place of pretend so carry on, based alpha.

>>741097841
Of course i would. Look at those legs. Fuckers built like a linebacker.

>>741097712
It shouldn't be illegal

>>741098199
>It's self destruction as a mental illness.
and what's your arguement?
that people should be allowed to mutilate and severly harm themselves if they want to?

>>741098323
If they are an adult yeah. If therapy hasn't helped and they are so desperate they'll do it themselves and possibly hurt themselves, yes and as much that can be donated to help others should.

>>741098199
Really? So instead they should allow the mental illness to continue, reasserting itself from one body part to another until they're just a trunk?

Every surgery brings potential risk of death. Instead of treating the disorder, they should risk their life?

The doctors medical opinion means nothing, the patient knows better than the doctor?

What are you basing this on? A thought out medical understanding? Or the idea of "feelings should dictate medical policy"?

>>741090728
OK, I didn't need to see that.

>>741098531
>adults are always of sound mind
>adults never feel depressed or the need to harm someone for whatever stupid reason
good god i wish i lived such a nice life as yours, as to believe people are genuinely good and never suffer from lapses of judgement
you must be to sheltered, are you truman from the trumanshow? by any chance?

no one can be this ignorant of the evil that dwells in man. no fucking way.

>>741099223
Like I said. Kids are fucking idiots who only know what they want and feel, and don't think things out.

>>741098531
>so desperate they'll do it themselves and possibly hurt themselves
proof? also this is the same logic as suicide.
if someone's so unhappy with their life they'll kill themsleves, and possibly hurt others in the process.

but hey, mr niceguy you are, you'll pull the trigger and dig the grave for them wont ya?

i mean he meant nothing to you or anyone right? no one will care if he dies right? no one will care if i set you onfire neither right... so i mean, just let people do as they please!

>>741099467
>implying adults are different
just because you believe you're not a moron, doesn't mean you aren't. i've met a lot of children who are a lot smarter than a lot of adults. your argument is invalid and ridiculous.

justlike you believing the only thing wrong with you is your dick, doesn't mean there's something wrong with it.

>>741099495
Not who you're replying to, but the one chick who blinded herself is an example. But if she expressed intent, she should have been institutionalized as she was a danger to herself.

But it still stands. Doctors (in the US) are ethically and professionally obligated to not perform unnecessary surgeries. You can only do so much to prevent someone from hurting themselves. But doctors can't put them in harms way unnecessarily. If they did, they could be sued by the nutters family.