Are immigrants and refugees good or bad?

>>741044527
Depends. Are they Muslims? If so 90% bad. Are you talking about immigrants to countries like the USA? Also depends; do they refuse to learn English, and assimilate into American culture? Are they in the USA to actually commit crimes against its citizens or government, or are they law abiding (if illegals, are they law abiding otherwise)? So again, from my point of view, and most people not on some righteous far end of the political spectrum--it depends.

>>741044527
If it's brown, flush it down.
If it's black, send it back.

>>741045055
>Muslims are bad but Christians are fine
>Shitty culture should define a country, and not even the countries original culture
Kek, only in America do you get batshit mental gymnastics this bad

Some of them I assume are good people(:

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>>741044527
They are very bad for Whites, so they are good for Anti-White (((politicians))) and (((open border))) promoters

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>>741044527
good...

>>741045378
Immigration to America isn't the only immigration. What about immigration to Europe?

>>741044527
The answer is mostly a matter of perspective. European and Scandinavian countries need immigrants, the high tax rates lead to low birth rates, which means not enough people to work the jobs to keep the country going. The US has two categories of immigrants- skilled and unskilled. The US has a lot of jobs in high paying fields, like tech jobs, and a software engineer makes more in the US than in most parts of the world. But the immigrants the Trump dislikes are generally unskilled, and want to live in the US because there are better opportunities for unskilled labor in the US than there are in Mexico, Central, and South America.

Refugees are a different matter. It's expensive for a country to take in refugees, and there is a risk of IS terrorists getting into a country as refugees (ask France).

>>741045378
Muslims are worse than christians even though they are not the best either. Nowadays fundamentalist christians may try to ban abortion or birth control and make rallies against gays. Fundamentalist muslims trow gays from fucking buildings and stone women to death for trivial reasons.

Im not that anon and im not even american but it does not take much effort to see which is the lesser evil

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Spread Homo Erectus around the globe, devolve the white race so we may become gods!

>>741044527
All bad, they have knocked up their women with more vermin and are coming for your white women

>>741045705
Christians still do all of those things and more. Besides, I'd argue that's a function of poverty more than religioun

Don't believe the propaganda son

>>741045378
Christians aren't near as bad as mudslims, moron

white people are fucking paranoid

>>741044527
they are niggers and sand niggers, so they are bad

>>741045749
well put anon.

>>741045801
Muds have the mental capacities of children and rely on whites to take care if them.

>>741045691
People think Mexicans are the issue, but it's the Chinese. 50% have college degrees, will work for lower wages in in-demands fields and bring wages down.

>>741045801
no, white people need to export the vermin back to the hellholes from which they came

>>741044527
You were strangers in the land of egypt. Muslims are literally fine

>>741045801
White people are about to destroy your shit

race war now

>>741045691
Talking off your ass, the post.

>>741045779
Christians trow gays off buildings and stone women?

Try harder shill

They destroyed their country, let's get them into ours!

>>741045691
> have people without jobs
> have automation
> have mostly part time employees
> we need more people!

>>741045779
Lmao bullshit. Everything wrong with Christianity is amplified 1000x in muslim culture. Yeah Christians don't like gays, at least they don't fucking stone them to death. When was the last time a Christian threw acid in a little girl's face because she wanted to learn how to read? Eat shit for even trying to defend such a cancerous scourge on humanity.

great time to invest in the candle industry

>>741046044
i will stone a fag to death

>>741045973

They do in africa.

>>741046044
>>741045973
>You don't like Christianity therefore Muslims are evil
The mental gymnastics are unbound

wouldn't be a problem in the first place if the us didn't go out of its way to destabilize these regions.

>>741046014
> but anon, they'll only take the jobs you don't want!
> also, we need to help those doctors and scientists to get recognized here, most of the refugees are highly trained people that can't make use of their skills in their home country.

>>741046123
>africa

yes because africa is as big as london

Depends really main reason I don't like them is because they refuse to speak English and are trying to change britains system so it leans towards them and the worst thing is it's actually working, we already have some shops that now sell halal meat just so the retards can feel more at home I'm reaching my limit though at first I didn't mind but now they are taking over loads of areas in England like Luton and all people keep saying is we are happy they have came over.

I don't see why we should keep letting them over if they don't intend to work, don't speak English and keep trying to make things cater to them Christianity is banned over in one of the Islam countries so why shouldn't we ban Islam or will that get all the Faggot white hats saying no that's just racist

TLDR

I don't mind if they come over for a reason but if they come over to get benefits and don't speak English and complain hey can fuck off

Some schools don't let help for heros arm bands be wit because some muslims complained that it's offenesive and then they got banned

>>741046146
Ding ding ding

Literally all of the muslim attacks on US soil of the past 25 years can be tracked back to the fact that the US sold them massive amounts of arms and put dictators in place a generation or two earlier.

ISIS, Taliban, even way back to Vietnam and Laos. The stupidity of Americans to blame those countries after turning them into armed forces with hatred for america is mindblowing.

>>741046166
learn to greentext fucking kike

log off the internetz now and go nod your head 9000 times at a david stone..

faggot

>>741046256
Wouldn't I be pro immigration as a kike?

>>741046249
isis is funded by cia yes, like most of US money going to israel, but the recruits of isis is mossad... jews trying to war, and getting their asses kicked by Assad

>>741046169

You what m8.

Guys said that Christians dont murder people for being gay and beat their women.
But in Africa this regularly happens.
Even in America it rarely happens, but still does.

Muslims murder gays and beat their women.
In the middle east, it frequently happens.
In Europe and America, it rarely happens but still does.

If we had a sudden influx of african christians I presume people would outcry as hard as they do over islamic immigrants.
I certainly hope so.

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This barge of niggers is pulled by a NGO ship, funded by the 1% that flies a 'Save the Children' flag.

There are many more like it. They travel between Libya and Italy daily.

>>741044527
Uncultured less than impoverished mudslimes that refuse to assimilate? Bad
Mild-mannered folk who have a genuine interest in providing for a family AND the country they aim to live in while abiding by that nation's ways of life? Good

>>741046416
the fact of the matter here is, europe belong to the white race.. niggers, sand niggers, degenerate jews and gays should get the fuck out...

christianity as well, every fucking thing linked to a jew and nigger should be avoided...

the europeon union was created exactly for what is happening now in europe... just to rob people of their land, and shackle them with their fake "religions"

the sooner the white man realize this, the faster things will get better and return to normal.

you don't go tell a lion he is a fucking sheep, i dare you to try that..

>>741044527
The rising hate and violence against Jews and LGBTQIAPK-tards is the only good thing whit it! EVERYTHING else is it brings is utter crap and will crush the welfare states we live in.

>>741046686
Exactly sick of cunts saying it's racist for wanting them out and refugees are wanted, they are fucking not unless hey come over to benefit in some way I don't like them

>>741046686

Nigger that has nothing to do with what I just wrote, or with islam or christianity as a whole or in microcosm.

Also worth noting that those gays you want to kick out are white.
If you're so desperate for racial purity (and also going to list 'killing gays' as a problem with islam) you should surely be on board with keeping all the white people around.

>>741046139
You claimed Christians do worse shit than muslims

I corrected you

The only one soing mental gymnastics here is you

>>741046686
> spent the last century mucking about 'their' continent.
> hey! Respect continental borders! It's 2017 ffs

>>741046896
Whatever helps you feel justified for hating one religion but not another which is far worse kid
Swallow all the kool aid you like

>>741046895
nigger

the white man's mind was perverted by the jew , if you go dig a bit deeper you will find that all these faggots who support gays are jewish..

so if you cannot be a man, then you should be kicked out with the other pussies

if you're an American who likes cheap produce, they're a good thing.

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>>741046990

>>741046988
Shit bait. Islam is objectively worss than Christianity by every measure - and this is coming from an atheist

>>741046990

Did the red pill get stuck in your throat perhaps?
Maybe cut off your air supply somewhat?

It's the only thing I can think of to explain the brain damage you must have.

>>741046146
This. America and the west have a reponsibility to help refugees because their own stupidity and greed is to blame for their existence. I wonder how many times this has to happen before people start to learn?

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>>741046146

>>741046169
Also happens in asia. Turns out its socio-economic factors that determine whether people listen to the retarded murderous bits in their magic books, rather than which magic book you read.

Everyone who's not a retard realised this long ago

>>741047115
We can help them in their own countries. We don't need to bring them here. I do agree we should stop meddling in their affairs and destabilizing their countries though. You can thank the warmongering political elite for that.

>>741047115
Imho, the majority of the population never wanted a war. It was the government/special interest, who forced the country into conflict, knowing, that it'll only affect the lower & middle class citizens.
It's just another sign for the joke western democracies have become.
Personally, I'd rather have Isis controlling the area and being able to enact and talk about policy changes, than a bunch of rebel splinter groups fucking up about as much as ISIS would've anyway.

>>741047046
How so? The qu'ran is a bit more rapey, but all the stuff about misogyny, killing gays, adulterers, and apostates is all in the bible too.

>>741047474
I'm clearly talking about the attitudes and beliefs of modern adherents to each faith.

>>741047396
saudi shill detected

>>741047602
then that's a function of the believers, not the belief

>>741045973
when is the last time a christian person in a developed country threw a gay off a building or stoned a woman in the name of christ?

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>>741047681
>creates arbitrary parameters to insulate his sophistry

>>741047266
>>741047396
The bombs are still dropping. Syria is completely destroyed, Iraq is fucked up, afghanistan, somalia. All destroyed. Donald trump gets a big cheer when he says he's gunna bomb the shit out them. People are just retarded, they've created a monster that isn't going away any time soon. Prepare for more refugees, more terror attacks, more death and misery.

>>741047637
I never claimed it wasn't.

Bad, the EU needs to take a lesson from its eastern states and start closing it's southern borders. These NGOs in the med need stopping and the boats need shooting out the water! Would only take one or two boats to be gunned down and it would stop.

>>741045378
hey you have that video from last weeks christians throwing gays off a roof?

oh right yah, you're retarded sorry about your mental burden

>>741047602
That wasn't clear, actually. Maybe then you'd realise its not islam thats the problem but the enviroment of the people who just happen to believe in islam. If they were christian they'd be doing the same shit. Shit even buddhists do this kind of shit when they live in complete shitholes with broken down societies and that goes directly against the teachings of buddhism.

>>741047681

When was the last time muslims in a developed country threw a gay off a building.


Also hell, since when did anyone on 4chan give a shit about gay people being murdered anyway.

>>741047681
Lol, gays get killed for being gay in America all the time, you faggot.

>>741047907
>>741047946
>parroting the same thing over and over
it's kind of pathetic to hang your entire argument on one rather modern thing.

cnn com/2017/07/18/middleeast/christian-girl-relationship-death-trnd/index.html

>>741045225
If he is yellow he is your fellow

>>741044527
muslims are in general bad.

>>741048229
>cnn
didn't even finish reading his post
wew lads, summer's almost over hang in there

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>>741048326
>I only believe news from foreign billionaires

>>741044527
Some are good, some are bad. They come in poverty and live like those in poverty already here. The question is who causes all this poverty and instability in the regions of origin, what our responsibility is and what can be done in the countries of origin.

Depends on their race.

>>741048229


Nigger you're not even making sense.
My entire argument has been "people in shithole countries are shit, more at 11".
They're shit whether theyre christian or muslim.

Which is exactly what your link just proved.

>>741048326
here's a source more to your liking as a conservative:

rt com/news/396568-israeli-christian-dad-daughter-murder/

>>741048515
>rt
>conservative

you really need to brush up on your baiting anon, it's not going well

>>741048266
If he's white his future is bright

>>741044527
Good because of cheap labor

Bad because not a lot of doctors and engineers in a boat made of oil drums and tires

>>741044527
bad

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>>741048606
it's modern conservative. you know, like modern presidential

>>741045749
for me its just hard to see a child there in that state without feeling sympathy. i am completely against muslims, but i do find it rough to view that image, i guess i havent seen any images of the white kids, and i dont want to. I do see your point, and you are right, but regardless i wont stop having some emotion, albeit small when i see that image. I see it and think about my own son who is about the same age. I know the story is fucked, how the dad put his family on a floating door wearing gold watches and having laptops and all , its just all fucked aye.

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to show the poor refugees motivation is important

>>741044527
Most are neither, just trying to live the way they always have with their families. That said, this can cause significant problems for the host culture, if efforts are not made to ameliorate social pressure caused when the way they're used to living is at odds with the hosts.

>>741048438
exactly, kids these days

>>741047907
Can someone actually post the video? I wanna see some

>>741049093
you can find like endless video's of muslims tossing gays
Not from what I've found anyway, have I seen video's of christians doing that.

I believe that was anons point

>>741049206
Christians like to drag them behind trucks instead. Or are you too young to remember Matthew Shepherd?

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>>741049278
you don't have many friends do you

>>741049332
awwww did I puncture your stupid little argument? Yeah, the muzzies are killing gays a lot more, but don't pretend for a moment there would be open season on gays in every red state if the citizenry could get away with it.

>>741049278
Now I feel compelled to write a semi serious article on how different cultures torture people from different cultures.
Of course it would try to explain the evolution of torture/killing techniques. Why and how this group got to be the new scapegoat, when did they switch to another one and why?

>>741049416
you named one incident, wanna bet that we can name more muslims killing gays than you can name Christians doing the same?

>>741049416
nope not other anon, there was no arguement of mine.
not everybody's an obsessed sjw loser like you.

Please kill yourself, I know you've had thoughts

>>741044527
Bad
Ship those niggers back

>>741045225
if it's white it's alright

>>741045599
holy shit apparently, why does she have asshole shit stains on her vag?
Texas chili bowl? or are niggers actually a disease she caught

>>741049496
But in syria you can throw gays off buildings and get away with it. Because the US funded ISIS and has bombed away the infrastructure. Theres no police or government in control anymore. If that happened in America you would see gays getting killed openly

Bad....lets not fix problems at home.

Let's move to another country and act like we still live in the old one

Not all do this but Mexicans do often and wonder why their neighborhoods are shit

>>741044527
Why not issue every normal white family with one immigrant each. They can do chores like cleaning, running errands, gardening, repointing brickwork, chimney repairs etc.
They can also work the fields, if you own fields.
I don't know why this hasn't been thought of before.

>>741049949
well that's speculation if ever there was. Sure, no doubt there would be more crazies killing gays, but you need to understand, that over here, the majority of crazies now love the gays

>>741044527
Inherently bad.

>>741050092
i'd rather do my own chores than have a mudslime in my house stealing my shit and raping my family.

>>741050240
You could maybe whip them when they misbehave to bring them into line.

>>741049558
lol that's not a refutation. thanks for playing champ

>>741049496
I already acknowledged that was probably true, jesus fuck can't you read?

>>741050176
> love the gays
You don't really think that, right? As soon as they can't score brownie points by being friends with a gay guy, everybody is going to forget about them again, if not turn on them.
> White gay guys are the most privileged of all, since they have all the male privilege and don't have to spent time and money on women. So we're introducing: the homosexual tax, every gay guy has to give 5% of his income to female support institutions.

>>741050176
Decades of war would change that. Fundamental christianity would resurge. Thats what happens when society breaks down

>>741044527
They are desperate, good or bad is something that they will show us with their actions like all of us.
The most important thing to do in my opinion is stop to fuck up their countries with our corporations making a benefit of their poverty, so they can stay in their country if they want and have a future, and that is something that all of us we are looking for.

>>741050446
how will that unrape my kids?

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>>741044527
for cheap labour they're a plus, otherwise not good. I live in an immigrant ghetto, they fight a lot and are quick to violence

>>741050547
the problem is that modern war isnt killing millions of people, like the 2 world wars. Now earth is full to the brim and these immigrants are coming into countries with already no space for them and their 11 children. One of these days we're gonna all be handed rifles and dropped off in some sand dunes just to thin us all out, both muzzies and whites.

>>741048800
must be pretty lame to actually be able to feel empathy and shit you fucking autist

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>>741050469
>lol
summer, so much summer
fuck i hate children, can we have a child hate thread?

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>>741050860
bitch plz

>>741050836
>no space for them
Lmao, the economy is reliant on a growing population. You literally need immigrants for the economy not to collapse because the banks, big business and the government suck out all the money and the birth rate isn't enough to sustain them.

>>741050996
see that's how you can tell, bitch is still a big word for a 12 year old.

How's your president trump doing anyhow

>>741051158
> space
> economy
> not the same thing

>>741051552
What are you saying? That there's literally not enough room in the country for them to fit into? What? Housing is part of the economy if you didn't know that

Good

>>741051953
I'm saying that ballooning up the economy with immigrants to claim it's growing, is bullshit.
I'm also saying there is currently no space here, since the system is fucked and should be replaced. However in doing so the system should focus on it's own country and countrymen, not immigrants.
So they have two options as immigrants
> aid to upkeep status quo
> support change, that will most likely will see them as second class citizens
I hope you can see why neither is in the interest of the current citizens and hence there is no metaphorical place for them in society.

>>741044527
fucking human garbage

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>>741051263
oh he's doing great, so much winning

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Let's see...

A sudden influx of black/brown people who:

>are uneducated
>don't speak your language
>don't respect your culture
>want to overthrow your country's gov't in favor of their own
>want to kill you
>want to rape your women and sell them as slaves
>believe that they're entitled to everything that is yours.

You tell me, OP. Is that good or bad?...

more then 90% of them are islamist. so no they are nothing good.

>>741052549
I agree the system is fucked, but immigrants arnt there just to claim its growing. They're needed so the economy doesn't collapse. Without them, because the people at the top accumulate so much wealth, the banks would run out of money. You need a growing number of workers to exploit or you won't be able to generate enough money to pay off the debts owed. Most capital only exists off the promise that wealth will be generated to pay for it. Without a population that grows fast enough that won't happen and it'll be doom n gloom.

Im all for changing the system so that it doesn't rely on constant growth larger than the birthrate, but that will resemble something like socialism and we all know how much Americans hate that word

>>741044527
The few that are good will join the bad un protests the few that are good shall do nothing but accept their free benifits and make multiple children to keep the cycle going but bigger the few that are good will sit quietly while the few that are bad load cars up with rifles and granades so its like the good ones dont exist and are merely pending bad ones otherwise nonexistent

>>741053199
you think these immigrants arriving on floating doors are bringing in alot of money for the banks to feed off? If so, does the money that the government spends in allowing them in make up for what these banks earn?

>>741053199
Totally agree, I didn't mean they knowingly participate.
As you said the elites are using them, to support their failing system.
Problem is, most people people don't make the extra step of 'they're being used' and most of the refugees would reject that claim anyway. So instead it's just 'they're taking our jobs!!'.

I'd also rather support a system that strives for stability and not a constant growth rate. apart from knowledge growth of course, can't have enough of that.

>>741053385
Yes, immigrants have a net positive effect on the economy. Remember we havn't had to pay for their education too. The vast majority of them come here and are able to work, essentially paying for the ones that don't, through a life time of paying taxes and generating wealth for whoever they work for.

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refugees welcome

>>741053791
>Refugees

this guy look mixed race

>>741053726
while a lot of the people that already live here are having a hard time holding/finding work, boatloads of shitskins come to help out, by working... surely thats not right

>>741044527
ez way to found out :

>TThey are block ?
They are bad.

>They are not ?
It's ok.

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>>741053385
kek
>>741053726
no. just no

>>741045378
This is why you niggers are fucked anx eventually gain a chip on your shoulder against white people

You stand by your religion even though, as it stands, the people representing it make it a travesty yet you get upset when white people say, for the most part, fuck muslims

During the crusades i bet niggas agreed, fuck the christians

HOLY FUCK never thought of this till now, say we loved in modern day, you know, civilization white people gave the world, otherwise this wouldn't work kuz white people wouldn't have to redugee to islamashit or pakicraponmydaughtersacidface

Ok modern america, whitey in uk is on crusade for christianity, you taking in whitey? Btw this barely works given that uk has already shown the ability to be civil, and the refugees from the contries we take them from, whore out their 12yr old daughters and eat garbage pile meat

>>741053930
The unemployment rate is actually pretty low in certain cities, theyre not being shipped off to rurual kentucky, they're placed into cities where there are positions available for minimum wage, esentially wage slaves. Also, its a failing system, unemployment is a symptom of when the system fails. Look at detroit as an example.

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>>741054240
>Real watches at $ 0?

>>741054302
Basically it all comes back to the root problem, niggers

>>741054363
I understand what you're saying, but im pretty sure at this point we may as well call detroit 'The peoples republic of Congo'

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>>741053930
But that's the whole point. Have you ever seen it when cuckolds cry about how wages have stagnated for X many years (pic related is the favorite)? Now correlate that with the immigration rate. See, what happens is, and what they don't seem to grasp, is that if you have 600 jobs and 500 people then the demand outweighs the supply which means you have to offer people more money to work for you. But this works the other way around too, so if you have 600 jobs and then suddenly flood the country with 500 niggers that means there's 1000 people, but under 600 jobs. The demand now outweighs the supply which makes wages decrease.
Like I say though faggots are so cucked they'll cry about this, but they're literally that pathetic and frightened about being called a racist they won't say anything negative about immigration. Instead they'll talk about a failing (((system))) and how we "need" (((Communism))).
They're completely able to change things, but they're too cucked. It's very sad. Strangely, when you agree with them and tell them the system is flawed you're suddenly their hero. But then when you tell them who's responsible you're suddenly a Nazi. Like I say, very sad.

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>>741045779
>Takes a look around Christian country
>It's first world
>Takes a look around at some Muslim sandland with trillions of dollars of oil
>It's a third world shithole of people looking for beetles to eat

This is an 18+ website.

>>741050611
Nobody but you cares about your kids, least of all the government.

>>741054574
But at one point all those workers in detroit were making the car manufacturers and bankers very rich. Theyre bringing in more workers to make businesses and banks even richer. The rich get richer and they need more workers to pay for that bill

>>741054637
Who controls immigration you retard. You lack a basic understanding of economics if you're blaming people for reacting to incentives. People are always going to want to move to countries where they can make more money and not be blown up

>>741044527
Only muslim refugees, African thugs, etc.
Never heard a guy complain about sikhs, Indians, chinks or whatever the fuck. Literally just Islam. Islam is the issue.

>>741050860
Looks like one of the ate the president,

>>741047946
when was the last time muslims developed a country?

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>>741049278
>"Christians kill gays all the time!"
>uses an example from 1998
kill yourself

>>741055324
https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2008/index.html

European culture has been irreversibly undermined by powerhungry elites who want to economically exploit europeans for maximum short-term profit as they race to world domination. Having muslims flood in with their (at this point) counter-cultural values is anything but bad for native europeans. Would you preffer your daughter to follow western culture and be a childless, consume- and production unit for the elites or a mother of 4 children, obeying wife etc. If it's the latter then you should support the islamisation of Europe.

>>741055261
you should probably learn some history

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>>741044527
very bad.

>>741044527
bad ones are really awful, i've been robbed once by them and i generally dont like them. just dont look at them they make me uncofmortbale

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>>741044527
no one really wants them