Is climate change (caused by humans) real or fake?

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>>740899714

It's real

However a republican with no education in any field of science told me otherwise, so I have no choice but to believe him.

Also Bill Nye isn't cool anymore so that makes all science wrong now.

Fake. Humans have literally no effect on anything around them and do not interact with the climate whatsoever

real.

However, remember that climate change is not *only* caused by humans, but it is being exacerbated by human actions - ie, billions of tonnes of CO2 over the last 200 years, deforestation of huge areas of the world over the last 5-600, extreme damming projects over the last 100 cutting water flow (for example the aral sea drying up entirely, and resulting dust bowl and pollution in the area)

The larger scale warming, is a far larger timescale, thousands of years, and is solar and orbital in nature, but the human actions over the last few centuries are in effect magnifying those changes and accelerating them.

>>740899714
Absolutely not.
Not real at all, no truth to it whatsoever.
Burning off billions of years worth of accumilated fossil fuels within a century, releasing all of that into the atmosphere, no effect whatsoever.
All of this industrial waste & runoff getting dumped into pretty much every water system on the planet, absolutely no effects on the environment whatsoever.
This is all just an excuse to reduce the profit margins of 'Murican businesses slightly by enforcing draconian regulations.

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>>740899866
>>740900268
Fucking idiots, climate change isn't real. It's a lie made up by the jews and the marxist in order gain more control over you and the economy. There is literally no evidence that the earth is getting warmer, in fact it's getting colder.

>inb4 cherry picked studies that make shit up

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Shit I should have invested in it, climate change was the biggest cash cow of all time and now it's dying out. After all, Al Gore's personal swimming pool uses as much electricity as 6 average American homes

I wish they would bring it back the way Obama did so I can rip off governments and be filthy rich too

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>>740900219
Assuming this is posted ironically but... some people still think this so I can't tell.

help

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>>740900578
Not to be for you

>>740899714
Mars is also experiencing global warming... so is Pluto... as a matter of fact it seems as if the entire solar system is getting a bit warmer.

>Could only be caused by humans!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/31/mars-also-undergoing-climate-change-ice-age-retrea/

http://news.mit.edu/2002/pluto

http://www.space.news/2015-10-06-entire-solar-system-is-heating-up-scientists-blame-solar-warming.html


But what do I know... I guess I should just fork over all my hard earned money so a global government can keep me safe, and I'll just ignore how ineffective our current government is, surely a larger government will work better.

>>740900578
>>740900626
>>740900749
I love this line of thought. Some fucking jews try to profitize an issue, so therefore there must be no truth to it whatsoever & we can just keep on shitting up the planet, cause fuck it, economys gots to economy.

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It's been super cold where I live during the winter and this summer has been mild at best. No way global warming is real

>>740900749
>But what do I know...

nothing

>>740900946
It's a living. Gullible people actually believe it so why not make some money?

>>740900749
Now, Im not saying humans have NO effect on the climate.

>Burning tons of forest and excavating vast sections of land certainly leave some impact. But the whole "MUH Co2" is gonna kill us all is for retards who do not understand that Co2 is necessary for life. It get filtered by plants and turned into oxygen, it also gets filtered in the ocean and provides energy for fish.

But I'll be damned if Im gonna let some asshole fly his jet all over the globe telling people we need to cut down on our carbon emissions.

>>740900626
If he wanted to make real money he should have got on the big oil payroll like every other politician.

I still don't understand why this is still a debate

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>>740900219
>>740900554
>>740900578
>>740900749

>>740900968
Its not called global warming anymore, its "climate change" as people are starting to see the hot spikes are over.

I don't mind paying abit more for less shit pollution (so I can breath better) but fuck climate change, the only solution is kill 3 billion asians and Indians.

Easy fucking way to solve this debate.

Stop fucking saying GLOBAL WARMING.
Stop fucking saying CLIMATE CHANGE.
They're misnomers & give retards instant outs from the very real, very important debate about the environmental effects of our ridiculously hedonistic overpollution of virtually every aspect of our planet's ecosystem.

>>740899714
People believing in global warming created an eregore that is melting the ice caps.

It's a part of a cycle the earth goes through, warming and cooling. Unfortunately we're compounding this by dumping carbon and co2 into the atmosphere.

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>>740901218
Drop more nukes on them? sounds like a good plan

>>740901172
Because it's a lie. You've been lied to by the education system and the media.

>>740900673
Look up Poe's law

>>740899714
Humans.

Just stop in your street for a bit, watch all the cars driving past. Think how the same thing is happening in all the streets in all the cities the world over. Everyone pumping out the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide. Then think of all the industry that's going on around the world. All the gases that are orders of magnitude worse than CO2. And we've been at it for over a hundred years, and cut vast swathes of the jungles and rainforests down. The Great Barrier Reef has just been declared dead after 15 million years.

It takes quite an effort to look at that and say "nah, it can't be us".

>>740899714
Climate change is always real and always happens whether we are here or not. Climate change is the thing now cause AL Gires global warming didn't happen so they had to create a new enemy harder to deny. We are hardly putting a dent on anything on this planet. I don't think people realize how big and out of our hands it is. Nothing to worry about really cause if the universe wants to take us all out it will. Has before several times and will again. Don't worry about global warming, that's just misdirection. The real concern is the swift unforeseen ice age no one is telling you about.

>>740901099
Go stick a plastic bag over your head and breath into it for a few minutes. Then tell me how necessary to life it is.

>>740899866
Spoken like a true indoctrinated sheep. Go watch more tv for knowledge will ya?

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>>740901408
>media lies
well that's obvious.
>education system lies
What could possibly be a reason to do so? some butt fucked conspiracy theory?

>>740901470
>But it's still fucking cold & snowing in the winter, so it can't be real, no need to change any part of my convenient lifestyle

>>740899714
Depends on which scientific studies you listen to. They are about 80/20 in favor of climate change bring unrelated to human intervention

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>>740899714
It depends. Does the answer make objective claims about the nature of physical universe based on observable, verifiable data? Then it is a scientific question, and lucky you, we have a process for testing those claims, by a rigorous process culminating in peer-review.

If it is a question of what you believe, then you are prone to buying anything sold to you by a convincing salesman, and have no way to discern reality from fantasy, and no one can fix you but yourself.

>>740901532
he fucking said it that plants and shit need it.
put a plant in a fucking plastic bag with only oxygen and it'll fucking die.

>>740900268
Don't forget the fact that we're allowing the dumbest creature on the planet to kill us in a very stupid (albeit hilarious ) way; we're literally allowing COWS to kill us...WITH THEIR FARTS just because we've mass bred them by the millions cuz THEY ARE JUST SO TASTY.

>>740901408
While you are absolutely right that the fault lies in the education system, its not in the way you think it is.

the failure in the education system is that you appear to be scientifically illiterate, and fail to understand the overwhelming (99%+) consensus of scientists around the entire globe who agree that climate change is happening, and human actions are responsible for much of it.

>>740901615
Meh, hasn't snowed properly in Edinburgh (where I live) since 2010.

>>740901733
I wouldn't say much of it but I'm pretty sure humans enhance the whole process. It'd happen regardless.

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Looks like a natural cycle to me.

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>>740901439
>Poe's law

>>740901572
No. Just a shitty education system and society in general. The schools ( at least in America) are fucking horseshit and need massive reform.

>>740900268
Pretty much this. The people that are screaming global warming will kill us all in 20 years are just looking to profit in some way.

>>740901774
That's just the flames of hell catching up with you Scots for your historical hedonism.

>>740901470
CO2 is plant food you retarded nigger faggot

>>740901701
Plants can handle oxygen much better than we can handle Co2.

>>740901439
This is in full effect right now.

>>740900268
This is the biggest crock of shit. 15 year cooling trend. Co2 is good for the plants and is a very mild greenhouse gas if at all. Co2 makes up only 4% of the atmosphere. In the last 300 years co2 has increased from 300 ppm to 400ppm. Fun fact; plants are evolved to live in 1200 ppm. Another fun fact; majority of co2 being released comes from the oceans. The same medium that also absorbs it. dont forget, the normal lava sun has lots to do about climate change.
Enjoy

>>740901723
Actually the meat industry is responsible for more damage than all the cars put together in history.. but yeah they are so dam tasty so I can forgive them.

Maybe we should put fart collectors on their asses and harvest that shit for the good of man kind

>>740900578
This is true.

>>740901890
>CO2 is plant food you retarded nigger faggot
this person is serious

>>740899714
Climate change is real. It is likely only partially our fualt. Even though the ice is melting and sea levels are rising, the earth is getting greener due to the increased greenhouse effect.

>>740900626
4 billion a year in science grants if you link any research to human caused climate change and co2. Money is still there.

>>740901733
>(99%+) consensus of scientists around the entire globe who agree that climate change is happening, and human actions are responsible for much of it.
That's an appeal to authority fallacy, not an argument. Also, it's not true.

>http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425232/climate-change-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle

>>740901733
Scientists have been in consensus about many issues before and then proven wrong by some breakthrough. Acting like science is some sort of immortal god will just turn you into an ignorant sheep. (Need an example? The theory that maggots spawned out of food. Don't remember it exactly but there's many more examples anyways.)

>>740900749
It's the normal lava sun

>>740901890
But plants don't need much of it. They were doing find with 300 ppm. Also CO2 is not technically food since it doesn't provide energy. What plants do need is a nice, relatively controlled environment, and too much CO2 will fuck that up with the greenhouse effect.

>>740902073
Yeah you illiterate nigger. Plants convert Co2 to oxygen. They really should charge dibshit like you for breathing, that would solve a lot of problems.

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>>740899714
I personally think so but even if the risk is overstated do you really want to gamble with stakes that high? When the effects become obvious it will be too late to do anything about it. Sea warms up, warm water has less ability to dissolve CO2 released CO2 warms the sea further in a feedback loop, that's not mentioning the methane clathrates (methane trapped in ice) in oceanic deposits if those start melting we will have no chance of stopping the methane from heating the atmosphere further

>>740902073
I'm just saying the same fucking spaz-o-matic liberals are hysterical about "climate change" and don't even recognize simple fucking science. This leads me to think they get something out of this whole scam, as in monetarily.

>>740900946
Hey man. Everyone knows polluting the air and water is bad. That's not the issue though. It's the fake manipulated data that human co2 propagation is to blame. I'm against fossil fuels and pollution and everyone should have free clean energy. But co2 is not the issue.

>>740902327
B-but there really ARE 72 genders!

>>740902327
The denial of the opposite side towards the ridiculous amount of overpollution that goes on & the insistence that all that has no ill effects on the environment whatsoever leads me to believe THEY'VE got some monetary skin in this debate as well.

>>740901099
KEK
>carbon
The entire building blocks of life on earth. The one thing we can control

>>740902327
Nothing compared to the politicians sucking the Oil lobbyists cocks day and night because it's profitable now and those old fucks will be dead when the shit hits the fan anyway

>>740902219
The Australian government just got caught fudging their numbers

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/31/australia-weather-bureau-caught-tampering-with-climate-numbers/

REAL

Why do you think the entire world (except the retards in the USA) is freaked the hell out about it?

Error: image resolution is too large.

https://xkcd.com/1732/

>>740901989
How about this for a simple solution: why can't cattle ranchers feed their cows in a building with a roof and waits until the cows have stopped farting and all the methane has floated to the ceiling where a vacuum system sucks and pressurizes the gas into a canister that they can then sell to people to heat homes...?

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>>740902073
Fuck off libtard, go suck Bernie Sander's dick.

>>740902444
73, when are you guys going to take us apache attack helicopters seriously?

>>740901284
So true man. It should be a war against pollution not co2. The plants need to breath too!

>>740902389
>co2 is not the issue
No, it isn't. Both extreme sides are distraction meant to keep the status quo where it is, preventing any kind of changes that would lead to a temporary 10-20% profit loss.

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>>740901532
You sir, deserve the dumbass award. You should pay attention in school some.

>>740902516
We can't control it as fast as you seem to think, we can have algae photosynthesizing 24/7 in huge pools but that is nothing compared to the CO2 that is released by burning fossil fuels. Those deposits are isolated from the ecosphere and we're artificially removing them and releasing the stored carbon faster than the ecosystem can handle it

>>740902688
Pollution is one thing. Fucking up the fish and birds with plastic is our fault, this can and should be stopped. Climate change is NOT our fault

Climate change is kinda like evolution. It's bullshit science made up by the left in order to destroy the west and god.

>>740901881
"kill us in 20 years" yes. those people have a snake oil to sell, or are really panicking.

But that does not mean we can do nothing and get away with it. We, as a species MUST start acting, right now, to start things like CO2 emission control, because otherwise, in the longer run, we are fucked.

not in 20 years, but in 50, or 100. we heat the oceans in a vicious cycle of ocean warming, we're going to end up with the arctic and antarctic melting, glaciers dumping water etc. something like quarter the world's population lives within 50 feet of sea level. a 10-foot rise would destroy entire cities, displace tens of millions of people. (in fact, it would destroy some entire nations).

climate change cant be done overnight - it is a planet-wide process. the rapid heating is the result of 200 years of CO2. (and that's before we look at the melting of permafrost releasing gigatonnes of methane, which is 20x as damaging as the same volume of CO2. that would cause a cascade of near-apocalyptic proportions.). We need to grad the CO2 levels down again over the course of the next 20, 30, 40 years, or this planet is going to be fucked.

We are in a mass extinction. the rate of species extinction on earth is easily as bad as that that wiped out the dinosaurs, and possibly as bad as the precambrian mass extinction, which wiped out 95% of all life.
We as a species cannot survive if our planet loses that many species which we need for food and sustainable living.

you and I may live out our lives before the planet is uninhabitable, but at the rate we are going, we as a species will die out, if you and I do not act for the future of our world.

>>740899714
science has gone too far

>>740902877
Any God that can be destroyed this way is not really a God.

>Yes, I realize sarcastic post is sarcastic

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Pic related sums up the topic

>>740902570
That would cost a lot of money to implement widely and many factory farms would never bother unless it's legally mandated. There are dairies that trap the methane from cow dung and use it to hear/provide electricity to the barns but you can never have a 100% efficient system and a portion of that methane will escape

Real
We have fucked this planet the ozone is real and we regulary tear holes in it

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It takes more faith to believe in the myth that people caused climate change than it does to believe in Tinkerbell the ISIS fairy who rapes other fairies and cuts their heads off for her moon god

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>>740901687
The review is slanted though, read up homie. Only big oils fund controversial topics and doing that makes you lose a career. Wonder why there are only one sided research about global warming, in a scientific community that usually has a hard time on agreeing on anything? Climate science is one of the most pseudo of the accepted sciences.. and it's lacking scientific integrity. While It's more than likely that the "scientific community" is right about climate change and its causes, only fools take it at face value right now.. and thats because its failing the most basic of scientific princibles (it needs to be able to prove itself every single time), since its not being allowed by almost outright blackmail of people. There is an inquisition against any kind of sceptic thinking about the topic, and as I already mentioned, no research is allowed that would argue against the accepted "fact". That is not the scientific way, and you should not accept it either.

>>740903160
Ozone gets replenished by lightning, high voltage+oxygen=o3 (ozone)

>>740902832
>He says while using a machine fueled by fossil fuels that are being artificially removed from their deposits en masse by humanity at a quickening rate
There is climate variation over time but this is happening way faster than normal and while we may not be the sole cause we are not making it better that's for sure.

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>>740899714
If climate change is caused by humans, how does the earth go in and out of ice ages before humans existed?

>>740903429
At what rate does it replenish because CFCs/other halocarbons (except HFCs) destroy the ozone and regenerate to do it over and over unless we start artificially putting ozone in the stratosphere it will deplete

>>740903615
a large meteor hits + puts up a lot of dust
large volcano erupts + lots of ash

blocks out the sun, planet cools.

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>>740903831
I wont blame you for missing it, since they had to avoid the topic as much as they could. But News said pretty recently that the ozone layer has been getting better and the risk of holes is nonexitent. A cynic might say: they had to come up with something else.

>>740903951
Exactly my point, How is that man-made? One volcano irrupt and it does a lot more damage to the atmosphere then we could do in hundreds of years

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>>740903951
They have a pretty regular delivery of asteroids and super massive volcano eruptions, I guess we are fine then?

>>740903831
Lightning strikes 100x a second globally, I can't do the math on that one.

The planet has been warming up and cooling down for billions of years before humans existed!! There’s nothing we can do to change that .

>>740904288
Yeah but all that shit we burn and all the pollution is speeding up the proccess if you dont understand this your a retard!

>>740900749
The earth and its climate were created by the Koch brothers and big oil companies. Bill Nye said so, and when a pencil neck geek with a mechanical engineering degree makes a statement about climate change you better believe it or you're a big doodie head.

>>740904192
That’s 8,640,000 strikes a day

>>740899714
It's fake
Proven fake by scientists

The real cause of global warming is the sun

>>740904370
And if you think we will ever noticed a difference of the minuscule fraction of the amount we speed that up you’re a bigger retard

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Fun fact, The massive Ice sheet that broke off from Antarctica... broke off because of cooling.

>>740903990

In the 1970-80's when they discovered CFCs were destroying the ozone, there was a massive coordinated international effort to ban CFCs.
Now, after 30 years, we are finally seeing evidence that the unprecedented international intervention was successful and the ozone is slowly mending.

This is how we should be dealing with global warming - broad international coalition to address the problem ASAP, before its too late.

>>740899714
The real cause of climate change is government funding.

>>740904560
Belive what you want its real maybe not like the media is telling it but its there and maybe its even worse then we think...

>>740904370
The question is whether humans are causing climate change and we are not it’s a natural phenomenon retard

>>740904735
Climate change is real it’s just not caused by humans

>>740904136
yup.

long term we're gonna anyway , whether its the sun getting too hot, a meteor or supervolcano,

so yeah i guess who cares?

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>>740904646
Found the lolbertarian

>>740903990
that's because of the Montreal Protocol stopping widespread use of CFCs/ozone depleting substances. If we started using them again the holes will get worse and worse instead of stabilizing like they did. I'm going to need a citation if there really was new evidence proving otherwise

>>740901470
There is nothing wrong with the great barrier Reef. The best solution is for you to kys anon. Read a study that shows the best way to cut co2 emissions is to stop reproducing and start killing people off. Why don't you start anon, you said yourself that we're fucked, why stick around? I'll stay here and let you know how it turns out in the afterlife.

>>740903615
>If climate change is caused by humans, how does the earth go in and out of ice ages before humans existed?

the planet's temperature, and the sun's output have cycled, on geological timescales. Part of that is due to "wobble" in the planet (we're tilted over a bit, which is what causes seasons - summer is when your hemisphere is tilted toward the sun, winter, tilted away), part is orbital motion (over tens of millions of years, orbits can move closer or further a tiny bit), or it only takes the sun to be a fraction of a percent less active for a century or two for temperatures to fluctuate just a little bit.

furthermore, you have things like plate tectonics. Today, water gets heated in the gulf of mexico, slowly swirls round, and then flows across the north atlantic. its called the Gulf Stream. that heats up the air above it, just a degree or two. but that's enough that northern europe is far warmer than north america at the same latitude.
but, if that gulf stream slows down, because sea levels are a bit lower and there's more land in the carribean blocking it, or there's less energy warming the sea, or something like that, then europe, tomorrow, would be suddenly a few degrees colder. and that would mean glaciers would cover the alps again, and so on.

Tiny little changes have huge impacts.

and when those cycles intersect - so, a few years when he sun is quiet, coinciding with a century when the world's orbit is a tiny bit further, then that's enough to cool the planet down, for a while, till it coincides with a time its a little closer, and the sun's a little hotter, and the surface warms up a tiny bit more, and breaks that deadlock.

climate change is caused by the planet and will happen regardless of human interaction. humans have sped up the process but only by a small factor that a random meteor could have done or a natural occurrence like a volcano
basically if it would take 10,000 years for the next climate shift we have made it take 9,900 years. same result but slightly sooner.

>>740901572
To crank out more dumb ass sheep like you anon.

>>740899714

Real but its completely rendered irrelevant by the fact that we are basically fucking up our soils for the next dozen of years by overusing them, fucking our rivers by using them as chemical dump, and overall local scale obliteration of our ecosystem.

Climate change is a macroscopic change that in order to be reversed would make polluting countries less competitive, so it's not gonna happen.

>>740905099
Exactly which is all out of our control and not caused by humans Which was my point

What I don't understand is, why has there never been a scientist that just sat down in front of a camera and made a YouTube video titled "This is how we know that Climate Change is man made thus far" and just explain it for an hour or 2 hours or something.

That way everyone can get up to speed on the current evidence of global climate change.

I wish a scientist (Someone like Bill Nye or anyone else with some kind of authority who believes in man made climate change) would just sit down and walk us through the PROCESS of why they think that climate change is man made.

Richard Feynman always said that the process of reaching a conclusion is the most important part and I feel like man made climate change has just become a political talking point that Gullible, Arrogant Liberals who think they are smarter than everyone else spout at Skeptical, Angry, Christian Conservatives.

I'm starting to think because no scientist has made a video like the one I described, is evidence that man made climate change is just a Liberal money grab...

(And I'm not talking about Al Gore "Inconvenient Truth" either. I want an actual scientist or at least someone involved in a scientific field to do this and not an obvious political power grabber)

>>740905100

https://xkcd.com/1732/

Of course it's real. It's like 20 degree hotter now than it was 6 months ago. Explain that, climate deniers!

>>740905338
Wow your right!! It’s about 50° warmer here

>>740905308
Potholer54

>>740905551
>Potholer54
Any recommended videos that are "must sees"?

>>740901687
The IPCC stated in its own report that given the climate is a non-linear chaotic system it is impossible to predict its behavior. Yet everyone is getting their panties in a bunch about models that are trying to predict the future 100 years out. Just read an article about the Australian weather service tampering with temperature measurements, they got caught deleting some record cold temperatures. All these climate alarmists are on high alert now because the gravy train is gonna run or any minute. We're heading towards Grand solar minimum by 2030 so the money will run out soon.

>>740899714
yes climate change is real, whether human caused or not.
Likely due to greenhouse gasses, since those tend to trap infrared frequencies of light but let in visible and ultraviolet frequencies.
The solution is simple: decrease CO2 output before methane escapes and we are really fucked (methane traps about 4x as much heat energy as CO2)

>>740905338
>>740905550
shit

at this rate we'll all be dead in another 6 months

>>740905308

You already have tons of those on youtube.

Random one :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWXoRSIxyIU

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>>740905308
there are a lot of preachers of the apocalypse but not too many sceptics(outside of looneys, who are obviously taken there for a reason) are allowed to speak on the media, well maybe in US, but in Europe its Haram.

>>740905308

Did you even look? Bill Nye has a hundred videos on youtube explaining it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtW2rrLHs08

>>740905676
lol

Just like the impending Ice Age, then the disappearing ozone, then the polar ice caps that were going to melt by 2000, then the super hurricanes that were going to destroy the Gulf Coast, then the 'we're never going to see snow again.'

It's all bullshit. It was always bullshit. Those doomsaying faggots have a batting average of 0.00 over 40 fucking years. Only ignorant fools, children who don't know any better, and cynical fucks in on the scam say they believe otherwise.

>>740905676
>before methane escapes

*sigh*

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Ffs what century are you people living in ?

>>740905966
That's a shit argument, and you should be ashamed.

>>740905966
Thing is, that comic is reversed. All of the subjects implied in the images were opposed by majority but proven true by scientific method.

So unless its trying to be a prophecy of a future scientist who proves man made climate change false, its a pretty inaccurate comic.

>>740905751
That one is not credible.

I'm talking about something much more comprehensive and pouring over the data and explaining the process.

Not "Point - Counter Point" bullshit.
You can say a fact a certain way and lead your audience to a conclusion that is not a fact.

So 2 examples that would lead to 2 different conclusions about climate change
"The earth has gone through periods of warmth and cooling without humans"
Fact.
Reasonable conclusion left in the audiences minds?
Man made global climate change is not real.

"Artic ice is melting at unprecedented rates"
Fact.
Reasonable conclusion left in the audience's minds?
Man made global climate change is real.

>>740902219
You're a fucking idiot. Greenhouses pump co2 into their facilities to like 1200 ppm because the plants fucking love it.

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>>740905966
>>740906211
On top of that, the majority was the contemporary "scientific community" .. huh maybe that comic is on to something with its hidden message

>>740905266
>Exactly which is all out of our control and not caused by humans Which was my point

And you are completely missing the point.

All of that is happening _in the background_
we cant change that. in 100,000,000 years, the ice age will be over. the planet will be warmer.

But what we are doing _now_ by burning huge areas of forest, mining coal and burning that, farming cows by the million who are farting tonnes of methane, and all that sort of stuff is, we are increasing that rate of change, far, far faster than it was.

its like saying there's a fire in your living room. it keeps you warm this evening. there's a fire in the living room every evening. its fine, whether its a cool spring or autumn, or a cold winter night.
And it is fine, the fire's safe... But if some idiot human pours a gallon of petrol on your living room floor, or down your chimney, then that fire is very rapidly going to change, in ways that arent good for you sitting in your slippers reading the newspaper.

that's CO2 and methane is, to our planet, what the gallon of petrol is to your living room, just on a far bigger scale.

Climate change is always happening, over millions of years. But what humans have done over the last few hundred is to rapidly alter that gradual change, just like throwing fuel on a fire, in ways that mean things are happening not over tens of thousands of years, but over decades, too fast for animals to adapt, too fast for cities to organically move up-river as the coast rises, etc.

>>740905892
Please see
>>740906337

It is not comprehensive and does not explain the process.

How do we know that the last 10 years are the hottest recorded world wide?
How do you measure temperature all over the world?
If you measure 100 times in the desert and 1 time in the artic in year X and 50 times in the desert and 51 times in the artic year Y, of course Year Y is going to cooler than Year X.

All he did was spout the usual talking points of man made climate change.

I'm looking for actual reasonably drawn conclusions from well conducted scientific measurements and someone to explain all those ins and outs.

>>740899714
This is very simple --

Has the temperature of the earth changed dramatically before?
>yes
Did humans have anything to do with it?
>no
Did it change only once, or many times?
>many times
And humans had nothing to do with it before?
>nothing whatsoever
Is the temperature of the earth changing again?
>possibly
Is it more likely that something that has happened many many times before might be happening again, or something that has never happened ever before is to blame?
>it must be humans because everyone on one side of the political spectrum says so, no other answer is possible or permitted

some people are so arrogant and egotistical to assume they can influence something that's been here for billions of years longer than them, and will continue to exist after we perish.

>>740906462
I think it’s more like let’s say 100,000 acres of forest is on fire and you walk up to it and throw one lit match into the fire that’s about the difference

>>740906842
We're like a rash on the earth, spreading tching and annoying but one day we'll all be gone and the earth will absorb us and everything we've built.

>>740905751

Then what you are looking for is not a youtube video put published scientific papers on the subject.

>>740905308
Brian Cox the particle physicist (who should stick to his craft) stated on an Australian talk show that the only mechanism we have is models to try and predict climate change. IPCC report clearly says that's impossible. Time to crack open a cold one and move on to something that really matters and we can do something about.

>>740906773

http://sci-hub.io/

>>740906826
>Has the temperature of the earth changed dramatically before?
>yes
No. The temperature average has changed, but only over thousands of years.

The current, serious concern is the RATE of change that has happened just in the last 50 years. This has never happened before in all of recorded geologic history.

Stop your lies.

>>740905931
>Those doomsaying faggots have a batting average of 0.00 over 40 fucking years.
because those people were using scare tactics, and are not climatologists. They were celebrity faggots saying whit for cash or because they confused their opinions for facts.

>Just like the impending Ice Age, then the disappearing ozone, then the polar ice caps that were going to melt by 2000
>the disappearing ozone
the ozone did dissapear. There is a hole in the north thanks to the overuse of CFC's, but now that is not a problem any more so the hole has started to heal on it's own.
Climate change, if man made, will fix itself given time. The worry that gets these fear-mongering faggots on board is if humanity will be able to make it should storms become more intense.

>>740907053
Accurate, the earth has been too much more worse things than humans

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>>740906773
No such thing in climate science, its mostly based on higly inaccurate climate models and predictions.

One common thing you will see in climate change data is snipping, picking the suitable timeline for your data to look better to whatever goal you are looking for. And this is done to extremes by boths sides of the argument.

There is a really good example of the data falsifying by snipping; Global overpopulation.

It's a more infrequent boogieman nowadays with global warming taking the top position, but also because it's not on the headlines, its less controversial and some actual science got done, and the increase in population has been significantly slowing down. The prediction(so take it with a grain of salt) is that the population will top at 11bn before it declines, which leaves plenty of landmass and is possible to feed. Problems with it is mostly that the majority of new people will be in the shit countries that cannot provide them with housing, or food, in case international community is not feeling charitable. (or god forbid, shit countries actually get to doing something for their people)

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>>740906211
>>740906420
You missed the point. The point isn't that the minority becomes a majority based on scientific facts, it's that people always believe what's easier to believe, do not wish to come out of their comfort zone sticking to whatever makes them feel better.
15th and 17th century : we prefer to believe in our own senses.
19th: religion
Nowadays I guess we could consider conspiracy theories fulfill that role, they make you feel smart and special, as you're not following the sheeple. Also, not believing in climate change washes your hands of any responsability you could have in causing damage to the environment.

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>>740907212
I've got a man crush on that guy, I want him to tell me about the universe as a bedtime story.

>>740907250
And the rate of change is based on a bunch of different data sets, some of which are so untrustworthy that they should not be used, like the surface record. Most stations are situated in heat islands in growing population areas so no shit it will show a warming trend, more fucking concrete and asphalt.

>>740899714
It is caused by humans by i dont give a fuck and you shouldnt give a fuck either unless you are a pussy

What do the scientific community and governments of nearly all countries on earth have to gain by lying about this? 158 governments and territories signed the Paris accords -- you can't get 158 countries to agree on literally anything else. Either it's the most effective conspiracy ever in the history of mankind (then to what end? orchestrated by whom?), or there's probably something to this whole climate change thing.

>>740906773
lol ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMmZF8gB7Gs

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>>740907604
Oh I got the point it was trying to make.

You are putting people in boxes, either you believe what you are spoonfed or you are a conspiracy theorist. Im just wondering if you see the world in such black and white manner that there cannot be people who either A. Want there to be actual consensus B. Are undecided C. Have seen this happen before and don't want to throw money at it D. Doesn't think what corporations do is any civilians responsibility E. Just doesn't give a shit

>>740907956
Paris accord is a fucking beta agreement. Doesn't hold any country accountable at all. Also it's in all these countries best interest because they can milk the IPCC tit for funding.

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>>740908123
I'll take E.

>>740907972
I'll give this a watch
Obviously, it being 2 hours, I can't reply with if it is what I'm talking about but, it being 2 hours, gives me a little hope that it is comprehensive

Thanks for the link

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>>740907956
Governments = people = lobbying & bribes & new investment opportunities

Scientific community = research = funding

Just a quick example. Im not saying its like this but just so you understand that its VERY easy to find reasons. Not to mention that not everyone agrees in governments or in scientific community.

Governments are most often ruled by very greedy people. Getting lobbied by old big companies sometimes is not enough, they already have their representation and people. Then to get financial gains you need to be a part of something new, like renewables, electrical vehicles etc. Not to speak the huge bargaining and blackmailing chip that the climate accords can be, especially to africa etc. 3rd world countries.

Scientific community is starved for money, research and research papers need to get funding. It's even simpler, only the science gets funded thats interesting or supporting the current political agenda. And easy as hell to control now as anyone funding counter reasearch needs to have a strong incentive to do it, like big oil companies, and since people have started losing their prominent research careers for accepting sponsoring from companies, they've had to stop it. .. Well on climate change anyhow.

Im not saying you should not believe in man made climate change, im telling you not to believe it fanatically. Read up on the internet, there are some pretty damning counter evidence that the scientific method is not working on climate change due to external pressure.. People are afraid to work on the field unless they are massive eco-hippies, or even then. That coupled with the controversy and heated debate makes it very unpopular topic in sciences.

>>740907972
>>740908640
Ok I'm at the 13:00 - 14:00 mark and I already am losing hope

How can you compare ice cores drilled in the year 2000 measuring for CO2 to air CO2 measurements in Hawaii in 1950 and justify putting them on the same graph?
All I'm saying is, that is a lot of moving parts of measuring and a little off in 1950, a small mistake in converting something here and there and a small degree of error in the ice core measurement... all adds up to a big mistake possibly

He didn't explain this and just moves on to the next graph.

I'll keep watching but I suspect the rest of the video will be like this.
It's understandable though.
They aren't at a science conference.
They are talking to senators and have to condense the information for them.

>>740907670
Brian Cox?

>>740908123
"it's that people always believe what's easier to believe" <-- Actually there is no need for the word "always" in what I said otherwise we'd be pretty much fucked at the time being.

And no, I did not create a dichotomy of either you believe or you're a conspiracy theorist.
You can think that this doesn't concern you or you can simply just not give a fuck and that's fine. What's not fine is spreading the idea that everything is alright and we should not be alarmed, it seems to me like the more people deny what's going on, the more we will suffer from this on the long term.

>>740907956
Paris accord is a fucking beta agreement. Doesn't hold any country accountable at all. Also it's in all these countries best interest because they can milk the IPCC tit for funding.

>>740909238
Why the fuck would you trust that fucking bow tie wearing Jew? If he's a scientist then I'm the second coming of Christ. Stop watching that idiot. Like you say he doesn't understand that you can't just splice together data sets and call it a day.

>>740909691
Yup

>>740909773
I don't care about Bill Nye
I don't care if Bailey Jay presents a comprehensive explanation of climate change to me if she explains it well and explains how every measurement was made

I'm open to believing that man made climate change is real, but fuck it sure does seem like noone can answer my questions satisfactorily.
So I'm open to anyone explaining it.

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>>740909727
Right now its easier to believe the spoon fed media splash, especially on the social level.

But my point was exactly that, it should not be about social & political pressure. Thats how they do it in dictatorships and oligarchy. Anything that needs to nail opposition down, ruin their careers and downright not accept counter-research down to trying to kill sceptical thinking is something if done in any other context would be labelled as bad, something that North Korea or China would do.

>>740899714
it really doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize all that shit your car spews goes somewhere.

You (humans) affect their environment. Deal with it right-wing nuts.

Granted it may not be just us, in fact the earth may be doing it on its own. REGARDLESS we have an impact on our surroundings.

>>740909238
Mostly because it's the only data available

And in earth sciences you work based in something called uniformitarianism, which is a assumption that the past pretty much works like today so if the ice has the capacity to trap air today and we don't see a mechanism that would change the carbon isotopes inside the air bubbles inside the ice today so it's a correct measurement of the air in the past

Of course climate change is real. But it isn't man-made. The earths climate has been changing since the planet was formed. Seas rose and fell, ice sheets expanded and contracted. The fossil record shows it.

And there is no "correct" climate. It's foolish to think that the climate we've had for the last few centuries would stay the same. No matter what we do. How much carbon does 1 volcanic eruption release? More than 100 years of i.c. engines?

>>740907956
Paris accord is a fucking beta agreement. Doesn't hold any country accountable at all. Also it's in all these countries best interest because they can milk the IPCC tit for funding.

>>740909238
Why the fuck would you trust that fucking bow tie wearing Jew? If he's a scientist then I'm the second coming of Christ. Stop watching that idiot. Like you say he doesn't understand that you can't just splice together data sets and call it a day.

>>740910303
It's an extremely complex, non-linear chaotic system with a lot of moving parts, many of which are not fully understood. My issue has always been that nobody can beyond a shadow of a doubt place the blame on human beings, yet we're asked to buy into this co2 is poison bullshit based on some models that are not accurate. Running a model backwards and forwards of a non-linear chaotic system will not get you back to where you started. The science is too complex for the average CNN viewer to understand so it's easy to bullshit them into believing anything. The alarmists want to call this epoch the anthrocene, but I like the adjustocene, because there seems to be a great deal of data cooking going on these days and mostly to favour one side of the argument. The goal with all this alarmism is to convince you to liberate more of your money and freedoms to achieve that libtard boner inducing idea of a world government that will rule over every aspect of your life. No thanks.

>>740899714
Anyone could tell you that it does, it's pretty simple stuff, the only question for non believers is how is it a conspiracy to control money?
What's wrong with wanting to save a few trees?
The oil stuff is a different matter

>>740910454
I actually agree with that, scientific work cannot progress when you consider what you're saying as absolute truth and deny any opposition.

Creating scientific proof should be an exchange of ideas and research. And there is a lot of that if you dig the subject, the thing is that mainstream media will not bother of presenting clean answers to the general public, so they end up feeding the masses with an argument. Which I believe is a consequence of the very format of television and such

The incalculable amount of variables which factor into climate are impossible for us to comprehend much less measure, disseminate and discern each influence with every other corresponding variable affected. It is closer to chaos than picking out a handful of environmental flags and stating such a blanket explanation as fact.

Even the simplest of processes become near chaotic when examined in ever increasingly smaller scale much less planetary. Improvements in data collection with disregard to localized environmental and topographic variables (changed or underreported), coupled with the sheer amount of data collected for comparison antiquates previous data in scope and methodology.

Climatology is political party, which explains the wildly unreasonable reaction to qualified dissension in peer review, refusal of data sharing and dismissal of the need for reproduction when errors and falsifications are present. If it had remained in the scientific realm, it would still be called Meteorology. That every climatologist concurs, what they were taught and are now teaching is fact, means nothing. Experimenter bias can be attributed to much more than a salary in the prestige of fronting humanity saving research in our dire final hour, receiving awards and accolades and earning a prominent place in the regulatory behemoth established to counter the contrived results before they show no fruition. It might just focus data gathering at predetermined locations of concentrated production of the conformational data required.

The embedded politics are on display when all importance is placed on halting progress and limiting freedoms instead of countering the perceived effects through their own means of collection, disposal, or production of whatever they imagine will balance things out.

If man's influence on climate change was correctly represented as a hypothesis, it would not currently be the basis for the regulatory systems being devised, causing apoplectic opposition to the devastating economic ramifications and repression of civil liberties. Then research with the removal of politics being of foremost prominence in the exclusion of experimental bias would ensure the integrity of the studies and true consensus can be found.

>>740910825
That's not what I mean

He said they measured ice cores and then said that the data dovetails from measurements made in the 1950's from Air measurements in Hawaii.

Those are 2 different methods for measuring CO2 obviously. (Air measurements in Hawaii in 1950 and Ice core measurements in the Artic in 2000.)
I have a problem with just stitching that data together and not it being prefaced with some kind of a "mistake window"
Can these measurements be reliably converted?
For instance,
How many measurements were taken in Hawaii compared to the Artic?

It's pretty clearly real. Anyone who isn't brain dead will tell you that. There's a lot that factors into it, but its clearly man made too

>>740911222
>The goal with all this alarmism is to convince you to liberate more of your money and freedoms to achieve that libtard boner inducing idea of a world government that will rule over every aspect of your life

It sure does seem that way

>>740910581
Effect of co2 as a greenhouse gas is not linear, it has a decreasing effect with greater concentration in a logarithmic fashion. Percentage of the atmosphere that is co2 is 0.04% total. Humans are 4% of that. So we contribute 0.000016% to the atmospheres composition.

>>740911871
Libtards are all about more government and telling you how to live. I'm a libertarian, I don't give a fuck what you do as long as you don't fuck with what I'm doing. You can fuck an entire flock of sheep for all I care as long as you don't fling sheep turds on my lawn, we can still shoot the shit at the fence while we enjoy a beer. Also don't make me spend my money on stupid shit like gender politics. There are two genders, male and female. If you don't think so, you have brain damage.

It's carbon that has been in the ground for 300 million years.

The calamity caused by small temperature increases is also logarithmic in the other direction.

>>740910303
I'll try to make a straight to the point answer :

>Are human activities raising the level of CO2 in the atmosphere ?

Yes they are, any monkey with access to the internet can google "CO2 rate over time" and end up with tons of research and data that has been gathered over time, as well as a lot a articles that cover the subject

>Is CO2 a gas that causes greenhouse effect ?

Yes, any molecule that has at least 3 atoms (or only 2 atoms but they have to be different) causes the greenhouse effect. H2O, for instance is a gas that causes the greenhouse effect, excpect it's rate in the air in constant and it immediately comes down on the ground as rain.

> Is the greenhouse effect warming the Earth ?

Yes, the greenhouse effect is caused by infra-red waves that are sent back to earth, without them Earth would be approximately -18°C.

So that's my two cents on it

>>740912245
Don't really know why you brought up the gender stuff but I agree

>>740912346
Gonna need a citation on your genius statement fucktard.

>>740912346
what do you mean?

>>740911629

think about it for just one second........ if one day they take a temperature at noon and the next at 9pm, they're obviously not consistent.

scientists take measurements thousands of times before they are averaged and presented in a study


if you want proof, you have to get into the original studies and look at the datasets. you'll never get that depth in a youtube video

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>>740899714

Just leaving this here: https://www.google.fi/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2017/07/31/australia-weather-bureau-caught-tampering-with-climate-numbers/

PS. 3rd time

>>740911629

The measurement itself isn't that different, i don't really know if they use spectrometer or infrared analysis but in the end is just taking small amounts of air and passing through a machine.
The difference is in quantity, in hawaii they probably do a lot of measurements every day while in the ice you have some bubbles formed in different times that are collected together for measurement, so it's a "average" of years and years and even there you don't have a precise date since their are dated by radio-carbon, so the measurement isn't that good in relation to time but in relation to %CO2 it's quite good, unless there is contamination of this air by todays air during extraction

>>740912416
How is all of the CO2 measured?
How can we be sure that that measurement is accurate?
How is temperature measured by climate scientists?
How do we know that it is accurate?
How do we know that the amount of CO2 that humans exhaust can dramatically affect the global temperature?
How do we know it is not some other mechanism in nature that is warming the earth if the earth is warming?

It's the ins and outs of the measurements taken I want to know, mostly.
I understand where you are coming from and your post is the basic concept of global warming but it's the tiny details I want to know for the most part

>>740912444
>The Carboniferous Period is famous for its vast swamp forests, such as the one depicted here. Such swamps produced the coal from which the term Carboniferous, or "carbon-bearing," is derived. The Carboniferous Period lasted from about 359.2 to 299 million years ago* during the late Paleozoic Era.
I'm kinda jaded on climate facts but I know the fuck out of my life on earth history.
>>740912467
>Greenhouse effect from CO2 has diminishing returns
>Mass extinction, Polar melting, releasing of methane has increasing returns

We're currently living during the 6th Mass extinction of life on Earth.

>>740913161
You learn this stuff in Applied Sciences undergrad.

In the Lab lectures you're given the tools to discover how to calibrate and measure shit with really basic instruments, then once you verify that your readings are sound you move up to more complex instruments.

Asking "How can we be sure that that measurement is accurate? " is asking the technicians to explain their undergrad to you.

Shit's accurate dude.

>>740913232
>Greenhouse effect from CO2 has diminishing returns
>Mass extinction, Polar melting, releasing of methane has increasing returns
>We're currently living during the 6th Mass extinction of life on Earth.

What are you talking about diminishing returns, increasing returns and 6th mass extinction?
Quit talking in riddles, dick

>>740913705
Tell me how the hell you measure temperature for the entire globe and then average that out and come up with the claim "2016 was one of the hottest years on record"

How can you reliably measure temperature all over the globe over 100 years?

see
>>740906773

>>740913161
I'm sorry but most of these are pretty technical questions I'm not very familiar with, you can look them up by yourself if you really are motivated but I guess you wanted someone to present them to you in a clear way

>>740913161

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+is+co2+measured

>>740913709
Poster early said the more carbon the less it's greenhouse effect is in regards to temperature increase.

But temperature increase has a greater impact on the planet's systems the more it increases. Logarithmically, probably, but it's mostly unpredictable and unmeasurable stuff like (like species migrating and devastating ecosystems that couldn't handle them).

>>740913232
Read a study that used dimensional analysis and used climate data from Earth, and other rocky planets in our solar system and even exoplanets to determine the relationship between a planets global mean temperate and its composition. They used REAL data. They found that the most important factor in determining the temperature is the global mean atmospheric pressure. That's it. The composition of the atmosphere had little to do with it. It was the thickness of the blanket so to speak. Venus for example cannot be as hot as it is because of co2 alone. It's because it's atmosphere is 90 times thicker than Earth's. Replace co2 with a similarly compressible gas and you'd get the same temperature there. So what I think is that all this co2 nonsense will have a tiny, negligible effect on the climate, and the natural variability of the climate will be the dominant factor here. Grand solar minimum is coming so I predict the earth is about to head in a cooler direction no matter what we do.

>>740912938
I went to the ESRL site and it's infrared, the idea is that you send a little light and measure changes in the spectrum as it passes the molecules, the more of one thing the bigger the distortion is

>>740913161
I've explained most of the process for co2 in the first post

>>740913938
You're right. Unless you cover the globe evenly with the same instrument to measure the air temperature you cannot speak of a global temperature. Temperature measurements are very local.

>>740913938
Man like I said you start with fundamental instruments like mercury thermometers to measure the temperature near it, and move up from there.

Temperature is measured by reading radiation emitted by a system. We've known about this since the late 1800s.

Arya kills littlefinger..

One dragon becomes a white walker and burns down the wall.

>>740914501
You're an idiot. A thermometer can only tell you the temperature of the space immediately surrounding it. It cannot tell you the temperature even 10 feet away.

>>740914624
You're a dick

>>740913938
I'm taking a wild guess here but's I'd say we have been gathering data over time just with more and more precision, but the general tendence shows that the temperature has been globally increasing and the margin of error is so that we can say "2016 has been the hottest year". And the margin of error is a pretty strict thing in science, believe me.

There's also the possibility that we deduced the temperature that was a 100 years ago with today's data. I mean, we can deduce some pretty crazy shit such as the age of billion-years old rocks with only radiation, so why not temperature with a specific method ?

>>740914210
Do you realize that even the most extreme models for global warming says that average temperature would only change by 2-3°C right? You are talking about way bigger differences, especially considering the sun, the difference would be in the level of 10-20°C

>>740914210
I call bullshit on comparing other planets to earth. Runaway greenhouse effect is what killed Venus.

>the natural variability of the climate
Massive amounts of carbon that haven't been in the atmosphere in 300 Million years is not a natural variable.

>>740914665
Unless there's an oven near you, the air 10 feet away will be the same temperature as the air on your thermometer.

>>740914742
If that weather station is near a city and over time more buildings, concrete, asphalt, human activity, of course it will record warming over time. Heat islands effect.

>>740914665
Radiation telescopes measure photons that enter it. Can measure temperature from 13 Billion light years away.

>>740899714
Climate change is real but it's not caused by humans. The climate has been changing since before the human species existed. Since before mammalian life forms existed.

Just ask anyone who knows anything about dinosaurs. They can show you how the exact percentage of oxygen, carbon, methane, and other gases have changed through out the different periods that the dinosaurs existed, like the Jurassic period.

Does modern day pollution have an impact on climate change? Yes, will eliminating entirely all of modern day pollution end climate change? No. Climate change has been happening since the time of the dinosaurs, and will continue to happen long after the human species is extinct.

>>740914768
I can't help it if you don't understand gas laws

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>>740899714
>>740900268
its a load of shit
http://www.dailywire.com/news/19211/global-warming-hoax-exposed-australia-weather-john-nolte

humans exist by altering the environment around them. we arent destroying the planet or whatever other hippy shit you can think of.
is the climate changing? no shit everything changes the premis that catastrophists make is that "irreversible" shit is happening which is a lie otherwise every study wouldnt have to make up lies and adjust their data.

>>740914794
If you use the concentration of co2 in the Venusian atmosphere and determine the greenhouse effect based on that concentration you won't make Venus hot enough fucktard. That's the point you moron.

Well it's hard to say. Climat had changed many times before. And that had nothing to do with people. So I am leaning to "this is mostly natures work and 1%-5% of human fault"

>>740914800
Prove it.

>>740915202
Venus also has water vapor.

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>>740914989
I've said this a lot but everyone keeps ignoring it.

300million+ year old carbon that has not been in the atmosphere in 350+ million years is being put into the atmosphere by humans at a relatively extremely fast pace.

"The climate naturally changes"

We are changing it harder.

>>740914794
according to climate catastrophists we should already hav been frozen, burned alive and drowned, its a load of shit and every single model has been proven wrong

>>740915246
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

>>740914989
The climate changed gradually over thousands of years in the bast. Now it's changing over decades.

>>740914975
You're talking about spectral analysis. Sorry haven't heard the term "radiation telescope". Kek. We're talking about thermometers not thermal imaging. Show me the thermal imaging record for the earth going back to the 1800's. Oh can't find it? Shit!

>>740915369
"Relatively extremely" is that like kinda sorta?

>>740914891
I'm sorry but this argument has been debunked plenty of times. Don't you think that scientists all over the globe were too blind to see such a simple error ?

I'm linking you an article that describes in a few words what's going on, I mean you can read it and make an opinion by yourself.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/urban-heat-island-effect.htm

>>740915525
We actualy don't know how fast climat changed before. It's just imposible to calculate that

>>740915441
Lol. Googling gone wrong. Yes the second law of thermodynamics states that measuring the temperature with a thermometer in one place means you're measuring the temperature in the entire universe.

>>740915736
I don't trust anything on that piece of shit website. Show me a paper debunking this.

>>740915534
They dig up old snow and measure stuff about it and it shows old climate data.

I can't be fucked googling how science-men get their numbers. I trust the data when it's published in a credible journal

If you're skeptical about the measurements, you'll have to get a degree before anyone will listen to your complaints, but you won't have any because you learn just how accurate the methods of measuring are during your bachelor.

>>740901470
>The Great Barrier Reef has just been declared dead after 15 million years.

Newsflash sweetheart, 99% of all life that has ever existed on Earth is currently extinct. But the planet is still rotating just fine.

Humans aren't afraid that global warming/climate change/pollution is going to kill the Earth. Because the Earth itself is fucking impossible to kill.

We are afraid that WE, the human species, will be unable to adapt to the upcoming changes and will wind up extinct the same way the dinosaurs did.

That is what has everyone afraid.

It's complete and utter narcissism to believe that we have the demi god power to wrap the entire fucking planet in a sterile field and keep all of the ecosystems and the atmosphere in a stagnant state of never changing just so we can continue living comfortably in the last dregs of the Ice Age that allowed mammalian species to spread across the globe.

It's not going to happen. There will always be extinction events. Massive and minor. The Earth will keep spinning, life will continue dying off, then being replaced, then dying off again.

>>740916041
>If you're skeptical about the measurements, you'll have to get a degree before anyone will listen to your complaints
wrong. EVERY climate model has been incorrect in predicting what happens, so no i dont need a degree i just need to go outside and witness that the sky is not on fire and the ocean is not rising "scary fast"

>>740916046
>t's complete and utter narcissism to believe that we have the demi god power
>>740915369

>>740899714
It's real. Our planet isn't going to be habitable in another century or so and it's our own damn fault.

>>740915736
It would be extremely difficult to correct for the great Island effect. The only way to trust a surface weather station would be if it's located in a rural location away from human activity. Unfortunately many are located at airports with increasing air traffic raising the local temperature.

>>740901774
Didn't it snow in Egypt for the first time in over a 100 years recently?

>>740915928
>Tried to make a valid point on 4chan
Idk what the fuck I was expecting. I'm not fucking google, you can search by yourself, and then judge on whether what I'm telling you is bullshit or not.
Or you can not move a fucking muscle and stay in your convinctions with no certitude that they represent the truth, idc

>>740916041
I have a physics degree. Next.

Both sides have been hijacked by greedy jews looking to make some money. I think there is truths in both sides. If you think human activiitly does not negativily effect the enviorment, then you're an idiot. If you think something is true based on popular concenus. Then you're also an idiot.

>>740916203
>EVERY
Animal migration habits are being predicted pretty well. Species that live in warmer climates are now found more towards the poles.

>>740916415

because it is all about the temperature readings and not about the ice melting, the storms increasing, the rapid increase in 1000 year events, the droughts, the famine, and the sea level rise.

you must be a scientist!

>>740916546
that doesnt equate to climate catastrophe. every single climate model about "runaway" climate has been proven wrong and multiple instances by multipe groups have been proven to be outright lies, noaa, autralia twice,etc

>>740916500
To make a valid point, you should probably start by making any sense in your posts, but I see your command of the language is enough of a challenge for you. If you do not give an impression that you at least have a grasp of basic science then it's really foolhardy to appeal to authority when we're trying to discuss this. I know Google is full of bullshit, some good and some not.

>>740902163
This, I remember watching documentaries and reading about how at one point all scientists believed that our primitive ancestors evolved large complex brains first. Then learned to walk upright and use tools. Because how could you be smart enough to do either of those without a complex brain.

It was severe enough to the point that any archaeologists who discovered fossils of our primitive ancestors that could walk upright but did not have homo sapien like brains were labeled scam artists and frauds.

Just because a lot of people agree with each other doesn't mean diddly squat.

>>740916767
There have been less hurricanes, what's going on? Fucking Koch brothers at it again.

>>740915768
We know how fast indicators of climate have changed, based on data from ice and rock drill samples.

>>740902219
>>740906351
Shit, it's not just greenhouses. Live planted aquariums do the same thing. There's all kinds of information and mods online on how to pump as much CO2 into your aquarium in order to feed your plants as possible.

All from mixing yeast, sugar, and water together in a plastic bottle with a tube connecting it to your aquarium to buying a flame extinguisher and modding it to slowly release CO2.

>>740917013
One man with the truth beats a hundred fools who agree on the wrong answer. Consensus <> truth.

>>740915815
Gas particles move very fast. It'll take a few minutes for temperature to equalize across 10 feet. Unless you have a heat source heating one end (or a heat sink cooling it), in which case it won't equalize.

>>740917240
You must be a science denier! Lol. Are you bankrolled by big oil?

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>>740899714
>You are asking for opinions on something that 99.999999% of the scientific community considers a fact.

>This is essentially what is wrong with the entire conservative mindset. They think that just because they have an opinion about something then that opinion is just as valid as scientific facts.

>>740917296
Ok Bill, time to go to bed now. And you missed your evening meds. Tisk-tisk.

>>740916957
Yeah I see, English is only my third language and I still don't have my degree in physics yet so I guess I can go fuck myself

>>740917567
Now you're starting to make sense. Good idea!

>>740917428
facts arent a popularity contest, maybe the reason reality does not align with your modes lis bc they are fucking false and in many instances fabricated

>>740917428
Not a fact, a guess. Facts are verified against realty. None of the doom and gloom has come true.

>>740917736
Sure you can denounce the facts that the scientific community claims to be true, but then you cannot then go claiming you are being scientific, or that your beliefs are in any way supported by science.

>>740917428
idiot..no one considers this a "fact", except millennial's who belive whatever Fox news tells them.

>>740917781
The doom and gloom is not the fact. The fact is that the carbon dioxide level and temperature have both risen due to human activity.

>>740917891
fox is the conservative one
oops, did you mix up your news stations?

>>740917963
The temperature has risen releasing more co2 from the ocean, which is the single largest producer of co2. Try again.

>>740899714
Real

Buy the opinions of teenagers on 4chan mean nothing

>>740917871
your bs models arent supported by reality, thats all that matters. the noaa got cuaght manipulating data and so did autralia multiple times, those are the only sources for the othe studies. it statistically ridiculous that every single time the data was altered it was altered in favor of the hypothesis.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/19211/global-warming-hoax-exposed-australia-weather-john-nolte

>>740917124
Through drill and rock samples you only know what climat was at that time (e.g. 100mln years ago), but you will never know how fast climat changed back then. You just can't say that 100mln years ago temperature was 10C and after 100y it was 11C. It's too short time to have those numbers.

>>740902758
How exactly do you know what an ecosystem can handle and what it can't?

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>>740915369
>300million+ year old carbon that has not been in the atmosphere in 350+ million years
>300million. 350+ million.

How does the carbon get into the air if it isn't alive yet?
duh lol

>>740918031
Kek

>>740902917
Co2 doesn't heat the planet though.

>>740917781
I don't know what your 'doom and gloom' is.

Massive amounts of polar ice is melting.
Great Barrier Reef can't deal.
Highest yearly global average temps are broken every year.
Unusual weather patterns on the increase.
Many island homes no longer habitable

This much climate change usually takes place over thousands of years. Not 50.

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>>740918167
>There is simply no question anymore that Global Warming or Climate Change — or whatever these luddites are calling it today — is a massive fraud.

>Implying this is real news.
You're one of those "gullible retards" aren't you?

>>740918413
It's been underground.

>>740918151
The temperature is rising, causing the oceans to release CO2 which makes it worse. What there goes against what I said last time?

>>740918635
yet climate deaths have dropped significantly whoa!
>>740918670
it links to the australian news report fag. i dont give a fuck about the author its the first link. nice ad hom btw. care to explain how everytime reality disproved the model the researchers changed the data to make the temperatures higher then it reported it was?

>>740918151
>Hurr durr i can science
Please explain to me how the ocean is releasing CO2 or at least link me an article because last time I heard CO2 is actually being absorded by oceans, leading to an acidification of them

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>>740918483
Co2 destroys the ozone layer. The lack of this protective gas layer turns the incoming sunlight into a radioactive laser beam that wrecks ice caps and coral.

>>740915369
>>740915525
>motherfuckers forget about the god damn Ice Age and all the previous Mass Extinctions

I think our planet can handle some carbon injected gradually over the course of a century or two compared to a giant fucking rock smashing into the planet in the blink of an eye.

>>740918739
nuh uh because carbon cant not exist and also be in the air at the same time and you said the carbon wasnt around yet those were your words. who's paying you?

>>740918302
We can see that 100,000,000 years ago the average temperature was x, and then 5,000 years later it had changed by 1.5 degrees.

>>740919049
The planet is a piece of rock floating in space, it can handle anything. What I'm more concerned about is those little living creatures on it

>>740918483
Yes it does, it lets visible light through but not infrared. It's the greenhouse effect. pretty simple.

>>740919049
Luckily what you think doesn't matter. The data shows that a century is a tiny fraction of time compared to other dramatic changes in the atmosphere. This rapid change is basically choking the planet.

>>740916265
Yes, and? As I said, species will continue going extinct, and then having their niche in the ecosystem replaced by another species. Only for those to die off.

It has been happening since the dawn of time, and will continue happening for millennia after both you and I are dead.

Face it, both you and I, and the entire human species, are completely and utterly irrelevant.

>>740917428
Scientific fact used to believe the earth was flat. And that the sun rotated around the earth.

>>740919049
>gradually
It took tens of millions of years for the carbon we're putting in our atmosphere to be initially collected from the atmosphere by trees.
>>740919506
Humans won't be a species anymore by the time the ecosystem recovers to pre-industrial revolution levels.

I too am a pessimist. But other people aren't and we should care for them.

>>740919907
>pre-industrial revolution levels.
fuck off commie, answer this>>740918877
>explain how everytime reality disproved the model the researchers changed the data to make the temperatures higher then it reported it was?

>>740919180
5000 maybie. But what about shorter time? 100y or 200y? Maybie everything was ok then some nature shit happen and temperature goes up for 1,5 C. And after 100y it back to normal. Say what you want but we can't know what happened through that short time millions years ago

>>740900626
you should see his solar panels (google it)

>>740919907
> pre-industrial revolution levels.

Do you know what humans used before electricity? Coal, wood, and oil.

Humans have been burning fossil fuels since the very first city was built.

I highly doubt that all the factories today can compare to the sheer amounts of fossil fuels being burned in individual cook fires in each individual house in each individual city during the bronze and iron age.

What the hell do you think people used to forge all those knives and swords and spears and arrow heads and armor?

>>740901098

like chiropractors and some shrinks

>>740900219
I actually agree with this.

>>740901916

idiot confirmed

>>740899714
To say that humans don't affect the global climate at all is dishonest, but to also say we are killing the earth at an exponential rate is also dishonest.
The planet is more than capable of regulating itself as it always has.
If radical climate change were to permanently destroy the earth, then life would have never come back from when the meteor killed off the dinosaurs. The amount of dust and toxic gases spewed from that impact makes our pollution look like a single cigar puff in comparison.

>>740920597
To say that you know anything about the way the world works just proves how egotistical humans are.

>>740920239
Seriously?

Ancient people didn't use enough fossil fuels to make an impact.

We probably use more fossil fuels in a day than the entire human race from 100,000BCE - 1800CE

>>740920853
To report observation and historical data is egotistical, k m8

>>740899866
>Also Bill Nye isn't cool anymore so that makes all science wrong now
Bill Nye also isn't an actual scientist dimwit, he has an engineering degree and is simply a mouthpiece for people pushing an agenda due to his nostalgia factor to 90's kids.

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You can't possibly be paying attention if when someone tells you an abundant gas from natural chemical reactions has the magic ability of trapping sun energy going out and also not block energy coming in by equal measure.

Then there's the part where Al Gore and his family are documented freemasons, and the fact that 'contrails' that should be only carbon and water vapor do not linger in the sky visible.

>>740918321
By looking at the ratio of CO2 emission/removal. If we are emitting CO2 quicker than the ecosystem can remove it builds up.

>>740921473
Plants and algae eat co2 like no ones business, they thrive off the shit my nigga.
The surplus of extra co2 is actually making the planet greener. Not to say that it won't have a long term negative effect.

>>740918483
it doesn't directly heat the planet but it causes the planet's atmosphere to hold on to the heat for longer

>>740921672
That's why the planet has a cool side of the pillow

>>740920457
No, he's right. During the day plants absorb CO2. But during the night plants absorb oxygen. It's why in live planted aquariums you have to turn off your CO2 injections during the night/when your aquarium lights are off. Otherwise you will kill off all the fish in your tank.

However, the interesting thing about plants is that they don't NEED night/oxygen. You can literally have plants live their entire life, from sprouting as a seed to the day they die of old age on 24/7 lights and CO2. It's why trees and plants don't die during the summer in places like Alaska when they have 30 days of solid daylight.