why are so few pedophiles women? pic related, the only one i've

Because they have not been caught. One of my ex-girl friends who is in her 40's had a thing for my 14 yo son. I almost let him nail her but thought better and told her to get the fuck away or I would turn the cops on her ass.

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>>739894390
why change your mind?

>>739894390
Pussy.

>>739894184
Female pedos get away with it. Plus it's acceptable for a woman to ogle a 13 year old boy in a way that it's not for a man to ogle a 13 year old girl. But female pedos are out there, and they frequent 4chan.

>>739894390
Pics of her?

>>739894760
they frequent 4chan? how can you know?

.literally the only one I've met.
Get out of your house more. Most women are pedophiles

plenty of women are pedophiles. most just dont act on it, or dont get caught.

Maybe because women know what it's like to be harassed and raped

>>739895444
Maybe you're just a little faggot with a fem cock

>>739895016
There is a kik group for females who like fresh meat who lurk the chans, it's got about 20 in it. Don't forget those who are here won't identify as women to avoid the usual "tits or gtfo" stuff.

>>739895575
That has literally nothing to do with the conversation, nice ad hominem though idiot

Can confirm
When I was around 15, this 28 yr woman wanted to sex me. Never happened, it got as far as sending nudes to each other and masturbating to each other over the phone

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>>739894184
Maybe it's just that few get caught because the boys don't complain. The ones who do get caught usually result from a snooping mother finding texts or emails.

Women understand what it's like to receive unwanted sexual attention, that's why they don't sexually harass minors often like men do

>>739895444
Most pedophiles are survivors of child molestation and rape. If anything there should be more women rapists by your logic

>>739895623
give me kik
things will go swimmingly

On an evolutionary point of view men tend to prefer younger women which makes perfect sense. Stronger, healthier, less likely to have miscarriage, ...etc
Add some cultural, psychological and other factors and you got yourself a man that likes girls way younger that he is biologicaly programmed to prefer.
Again from an evolutionary perspective young boys cannot compete with older men whom are stronger and have more experience.
I'm pretty sure there are lots of other factors to take into account tho

>>739896164
I'm not a member of it and I don't condone its activities. I know someone who was in it but left because she was worried about it being a sting or getting doxed. But it exists and there are women who are as depraved as any guy.

>>739894184
I know at least 3.

>>739896492
give me kik of person who has kiks of members yeah?
dont worry just do it

>>739896492
Please share this valuable info

tons of mothers are pedo for their oldest son, but it's not very apparent because of how people are lax with them and their role.

I mean, I've heard many of them talk about how pleasurable it is to cuddle the baby, have it suck your tits, wash its little dick, tickle it, stuff your face on it and inhale, etc. etc. etc.

Lots fondle them waaay too much and it persists waay to late.

>>739896124
Most pedos are step parents.
The kids are usually with mom.
These are the actual facts.

>>739897156
most CONVICTED child molesters are [whatever the fuck you guys pull outa your ass]
its impossible to know or even accurately guess the actual numbers because our justice system is a joke.
however, like almost any other general category of human, it's probably 60/40 or fairer between genders. males and females are barely different, we just pretend they are

>>739896831
If you want to find some, just head for /soc/ lol there are at least a couple of girls there who are members.

>>739894184
Pretty sure I know this bitch. Are her initials LC?

>>739897629
No I just took a shower
I'm not going on /soc/ fuck you on about??
just give me the kik of your friend. I'll grease your palm with steam games or whatever shit you want if it works don't worry

>>739894184
Because men get their lives destroyed. Women get called MILF or Couger. If they're lucky, the kid will brag about it, but unfortunately there are a lot of men and boys who have been sexually assaulted by women and receive no justice.

Source:
Fucking guess you cuck I'm anon fuck you

>>739894184
Yes, it is the bitch I know. What makes her a pedophile? I'm intrigued. Lilli is her first name

because boys are alright being fucked by older women

>>739894184
I want a reply before this thread 404's. I've never liked that bitch so I'd love to get some gossip about LC.

>>739898000
I don't like your tone. Goodbye.

>>739894184
I lost my virginty too my moms friend.

Me age 15 playing league talking with friends (on skype) she came in starting talking with me, going on and on about how I should come downstairs and join them. I remember my answer, I just said nah like a moron.. she told to face her way I did and she instantly kisses me i froze she start telling me i look like her first boyfriend and I went for it. Forgot to mute mic or end call on skype. she had a hair muff, always been my kink since that excperice.

>>739899041
ever hook up with her after that?

>>739899041
tf is hairmuff?

>>739898914
aight then nigga better be throwin some salt and shit over your shoulders for denying trips
Your friend's a paranoid pussy bitch anyways for being scared of e-police

>>739899476
pube hair, but on your head

>>739896259
literally this stupid

>>739894184
Because they are never convicted. One woman had been arrested for having a relationship with her student(high school) and ended up claiming rape, Scott free.

>>739899341
she moved to the country side soon after it happen. I think her husband lived there or something.

>>739899587
Like a Jew fro?

>>739894390
Horse shit, if that's true you're a fucking terrible father and should have never breeded in the first place.

>>739894674
underage

>>739894184
lilli? what is she doing on here?

>>739894184
because generally nothing happens to them

>having sex with my 42 yr old high school art teacher
>be 14 think its great cause only pussy ever had
>lasts till I leave
>realise i was just fucking an overweight insecure woman who had no kids and probably regretting a few of her life choices
>like being a fat art teacher in a shit tier school

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>>739894184
>why are so few pedophiles women?
You gotta be shitting me
Every day a news story comes out that some 35-50 year old woman was fucking a teenage boy or multiple teenage boys and gets away with it with a week of house arrest.

>>739899476
muff is pussy.

>>739894184
she's the only one you've met that you're aware of...
they're not exactly going to come up to you and say "hi, i'm so and so. my favorite color is green and i like fucking children"

KEEP THIS THREAD ALIVE, JUST FOUND THE PEDOPHILE ON FACEBOOK, WILL KEEP UPDATED

>>739894184
You can find them in schools
https://www.dailystormer.com/the-hidden-epidemic-of-female-pedophile-teachers-in-schools/

>>739900235
where you traumatized?
do you regret it?
No? then shaddup

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>>739900108
>breeded

>>739894184
I officially wish I was a kid again.

Jesus fuck.

>>739902065
only regret is that i didnt try pussy chasing the teens because i had regular sex lol. There is that one chic that 10/10 wish id nailed but too busy railing Miss Livingstone

Ex-NFL cheerleader Molly Shattuck collapsed in court on Friday as she was sentenced for raping a 15-year-old boy at her vacation rental home. The 48-year-old divorced mom, who pleaded guilty to fourth-degree rape in June, was given two years of probation. She must now report to a probation center every weekend and register as a sex offender.
Probation
PROBATION
FUCKING PROBATION!
If this would have been a man he would have gotten prison time. There are plenty of female pedos they either don't get caught or nothing happens to them.

There are plenty of women who have sex with underage boys. The fucked up thing is that if she gets pregnant the boy can still be on the hook for child suppport.

>>739894390
this. the number of female pedos is drastically understated, because it's only very recently, less than a decade, that a women would even be arrested, *if* it even came to light what she was doing-- boys are heroes when they fuck an older woman, girls are taught they're victims, shut-shamed and older men are vilified.

there's still not as many women as men pedos, but the number is far higher than you'd think, especially if you go by the US definition of pedophilia, which ridiculously includes teenagers.

oh and also, huge numbers of men are outed as pedos because of C.P. in fantasy land, they say C.P increases actual molestation (and that's why it should be legal), but in reality C.P serves to fulfill a pedos urges so they don't actually fuck a kid (and that's why possession of it should be legal)
but for women, where they face minimal risk of being caught for actually fucking kids, and if they do get caught, they can expect a very light punishment, there's simply no need to look at C.P because they're free to engage in all the underage sex they want
Which is much more than a man could ever get even if he wanted, because a women can find a willing boy, because all of them are, any time she wants.

>>739905937
Not saying cp should be legal, but it is pretty fucked up that a man can go to jail for having pics of kids on a computer but a woman might get probation if she actually fucks a kid.

>>739906229
so just to be clear, you'd rather have more children abused so you can imprison 0.1% of people you can catch with pics, than give up those arrests and see thousands if not millions of fewer kids abused in real life?
that's a position lots of people do indeed hold, because of the fantasy that one day the law will catch 100%, but i just want to be clear you know that won't be true for anyones lifetime thats alive right now

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>>739905937
>That's why it should be legal

You sound young and dumb.

You are so mottled and self-centered that when you are jacking off to these kids getting molested that you don't even realize that these kids are being abused and manipulated into these heinous acts.

You also don't realize that you are contributing to the supply and demand for more child porn and more children to be hurt every time you are sitting there jacking your dick to these poor kids.

I saw CP once, I was curious as to what the fuss was about.

It was children, with these confused and terrible looks on their faces. I felt sick, I almost cried, I wanted to save them.

But you have no empathy, which makes you sick. You just want what you want to regardless of how fucked up this makes those kids lives.

>>739906548
You can't just state your beliefs and assert them as facts. unless you have some scientific studies that prove watching cp leads to less child abuse then you don't even have an argument. Not to mention that child abuse has to take place in order for cp to exist.

>>739894184
It's because more men are sexual deviants and feel entitled to act out their deviance.

The same reason that so few women are mass murderers or serial killers.

>>739898000
>>739897555
>>739897000
>>739895444

trips

None of you niggers know what pedophile means??

>protip: you can't be a teenager and of interest to pedos

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>>739906769
https://www.springer.com/about+springer/media/springer+select?SGWID=0-11001-6-1042321-0

http://unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/CV204%20CP%20possessors.pdf

"CPOs [child pornography offenders who haven't abused children] were also more likely to have psychological barriers to sexual offending than sex offenders against children and mixed offenders (e.g., greater victim empathy)." Babchishin, K.M., Hanson, R.K. & VanZuylen, H. Arch Sex Behav (2015)

"For people without a prior conviction for a hands-on sex offense, the consumption of child pornography alone does not, in itself, seem to represent a risk factor for committing such an offense. Researchers writing in the open access journal BMC Psychiatry studied 231 men convicted of consuming child pornography in 2002 and found that only 1% had gone on to commit a hands-on sex offense in the following six years.", MedicalXpress.com summarizing Endrass et al., BMC Psychiatry 2009

see also: increase in child abuse in japan after they criminalized C.P. Game, set, match.

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>>739907066
Pedo detected

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>>739907199
uneducated simpleton detected

>>739894184
10/10 tits
piercings are disgusting though

If we're talking actual pedophilia with prepubescent kids, I think it's just the logistics aspect. A woman can't fuck a pre-pubescent boy very easily - I'd imagine it's hard to get them hard and make it stay that way long enough to fuck. They are limited mostly to just oral and fingering which isn't nearly as satisfying.

Men on the other hand don't have to worry about such things and whether it's a boy or a girl, they both have assholes to stick your dick into.

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>>739907129
Well you do have some studies so I can't lie on you there, but that is far from being a scientific consensus. It still doesn't negate the fact that kids have to be raped in order for those videos to even exist. I am sure that doesn't matter to you because it is pretty obvious that you are a massive pedo.

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>>739907331
Butthurt detected
Stay mad faggot

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This

I ended up finding out my ex (female) got locked up for playing with underage guys. Kinda shocking, but she was a horny broad. I searched her name one day and found her on the Ohio registry!

>>739894390
cockblocked by parents. thats pure evil

>>739907647
>Butthurt detected
>Stay mad faggot
damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control damage control

>>739907589
so where are your studies refuting it then if it's not a consensus? oh yeah, the majority of the evidence comes from political talking points and law enforcement, not researchers.

also i'm not saying production should be legal. quite the opposite in fact. but imagine, all the law enforcement funding and man power now spent on going after simple possession (the large majority of it), could instead be spent exclusively on tracking down producers and major distributors.
you want to tell me that wouldn't be huge plus?

>>739905395
>especially if you go by the US definition of pedophilia, which ridiculously includes teenagers.

Well, pedophilia is basically being attracted to childrens body. And I know some teenagers grow up faster and have a fully developed body like a woman.

But the fact is that they are still too young, it's fucking easy to go out with a 14-16 year old girl when you are like 21. A lot of my friends did/do that and it disgustes me.

My former girlfriend got manipuladed by a 23 year old when she was 15, he pretty much had her for sex, never took her seriously and cheated on her. And she had a though time relating with man again, so I was his last boyfriend, and now she is 100% lesbian because she finally accepted that men disgust her.

And no, the "but some 14 year old girls act so much mature and can tolerate it" card is stupid. There's a zone in your brain called "Frontal Lobe" which is the one part that differs prematures from mature people. And it is commonly developed in the mid 20's. So, no. Your 14 year old girlfriend that sounds so much mature because she knows what a blowjob isn't even close to reaching adulthood.

I know, a lot of teenagers can have their 8+ years older boyfriends and don't develop any problem or trauma, but you can't assure this will be the case for every girl.

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>>739907832
He is still going

>>739907956
Well studies have to be reviewed and repeated. Anyone can do a study and skew the results or have a flaw in their methods. Most of the resources from law enforcement is spent on drugs not cp. I'm not even saying that possession should give you prison time you are just making a lot of assumptions. It is also pretty clear that you enjoy watching it, I doubt that you are doing this research just for the lulz.

>>739908164
so then why not make age of consent in your mid-20s then? that's a bad argument.

you think if your gf was dating a 15-year old boy instead, that that boy would be *less* likely to cheat on her or only be there for sex? top fucking kek. or do you also want to lock up 15 year olds who fuck eachother? just as stupid.

also, you must be american to not realize there's a very long list of entire countries that disagree on 14-15 being old enough. 1st world european countries, like italy and germany (both 14)

and finally, almost all teenagers have started puberty and are therefore disqualified from pedophilia. your argument is against hebephilia and ephebophilia
even a couple that think 12 is old enough.

daily reminder to use the proper terms.

from wikipedia :
Hebephilia is the strong, persistent sexual interest by adults in pubescent (early adolescent) children (especially those showing Tanner stages 2-3 of development), typically ages 11–14. Hebephilia differs from pedophilia,[1] which is the strong, persistent sexual interest in prepubescent children.[2][3][4] It also differs from ephebophilia, the strong, persistent sexual interest in later adolescents, typically ages 15–19.[1][5]


ephebophilia is legal in almost all civilized contries. except some us states of course, but thats Murica.

>>739908718
Is this what you do with you time so you don't feel so guilty?

>>739908402
so basically, you called me out asking for research to support my opinion.

i provided it.

you flatly assert there are studies that contradict it. i ask for such citations like i provided for my claim.

you are unable to.

you then just assert, again without evidence, that my studies might be wrong, because despite me listing several all coming to the same conclusion, you think your opinion, which you can't backup, just has to actually have evidence to support it, because that's what cops and politicians say.
fuck right off with that.

now you're moving right along to the 'your argument is invalid because you're a pedo'.. bravo. and "it should be illegal but somehow not result in prison time"-- that's the very definition of illegal. you're an embarrassment to anti-pedos.

it's a ridiculous cop-out to assume anyone who's researched this is a pedo themselves. fwiw, i only like teenagers, not kids, and absolutely abhor hurtcore.
locking people up for pictures is a huge assault on civil liberties, and it needs damn good justification. research has shown that justification is false and results in more harm than it prevents.
that's fucking worthwhile to look into, regardless of your position. let me guess, all the researchers are just pedos too?

>>739908460
>you think if your gf was dating a 15-year old boy instead, that that boy would be *less* likely to cheat on her or only be there for sex? top fucking kek. or do you also want to lock up 15 year olds who fuck eachother? just as stupid.

u tellin me is the same thing to have sex with a 15 year old and a 25 year old? u stuped hom?

>>739908814
you're on /b/, you are wasting your time with things like "proof" and "logic". He knows you're right but would rather just sit there and say "lol no faggot" than admit he's wrong.

>>739908895
i'm saying that a 15 year old boy is just as likely to cheat and use a girl only for sex as a boy of any age.

>>739908460
that's exactly the story of all 15yo girls who first dated a guy their age.

>>739897854
Yes. Thats lucky charms. How do you know her

>>739908943
yeah i know, but im high and bored at 4:30am, what else am i going to do.
i wasn't looking up the actual research tonight, i did that for a far more serious discussion on the subject i was having on a legal blog. so not hard to cut and paste from myself and another guy.

>>739895444

Kill yourself

>>739908460
> Why not mid-20s
Cause fuckers gonna fuck. Teens are full of hormones and they are gonna fuck voluntarily even if the outcome isn't best. That's why there is that 4-year range for legal sex, so teens can fuck if both agreed to it.

Also, woman's peak fertility is when she's 25. You get that limit up and those board will get even more autism in the future.

>>739895623
what is the group name?

>>739908814
You are putting a lot of words in my mouth. I am saying that you can't just look at a few studies and decide they are facts. That isn't how science works. You probably just found some study that said what you wanted and didn't bother reading anything that didn't fit with your opinion.

Since you asked from evidence I have this from the wiki article Relationship between child pornography and child sexual abuse

"A 1987 report by the U.S.A. National Institute of Justice described "a disturbing correlation" between traders of child pornography and acts of child molestation.[6] A 2008 longitudinal study of 341 convicted child molesters in America found that pornography's use correlated significantly with their rate of sexually re-offending."
You can read the article if you want more proof.

Well you are awfully preoccupied with the a subject most people aren't so it is not a cop out or rush to judgement, it is a fairly logical assumption. you could just say "I am not a pedo" but the fact that you are getting so defensive about it makes you seem more guilty.

>>739906735
This

>>739906735

/thread

>>739909213
but why can't a 15 year old boy fuck a hot milf?

>>739909368
So your studies, one is from a LE group (NIJ) (specifically biased), and one concerns re-offending of people who already molested a child.

thanks for making my point even more.

>>739907565
Wrong. Had raging and hurting hard ons by age 5-6. Didn't know what to do about it though. Had my cock sucked by stepsis, felt good, but eventually came first when I was about nine while fondling it.

>>739909380
Because we are playing equality. I'm pretty sure there are some Lolitas who actually don't mind sex with older men.

Also, as other anon said, boys are heroes if they fuck early. Other men spend years or even decades to get some pusay, but the boy got it when he was 12 and he can openly brag about it. It is said he is more 'alpha' than you.

>>739909503
Who made you the arbiter of what is and isn't biased? You are cherry picking just to make yourself seem right.
You didn't even have time to read the rest of the article so you obviously don't care about being objective. You just want to look at kids having sex and don't give a shit how it effects their lives.

>>739894184
I think people are less likely to notice, catch, and prosecute female paedophiles. I was molested by my mother the entire time I was growing up. When I was a toddler, she'd grab my penis in the bath tub and rub it, for example, saying we were playing a game called "got your dickybird." She was always looking for reasons to touch me; whenever I got sick or got a sunburn, she'd rub me head to toe with ointments and linament in my bed. And she was forever doing things like putting on a sheer black blouse with no bra, then asking if I could see her (erect) nipples. I grew to dread home haircuts because she'd press her large breasts into my face while she was cutting my hair, shaking her boobs from side to side to batter my head.

Once, when I was 13 or so, she openely propositioned me. I had just come in from mowing the lawn on a hot day with my shirt off and I was all covered in sweat. She came in and sat down beside me on the couch, then asked me if I ever thought of her as a woman and not just my mother. I told her I barely saw her as human and she reacted as if I'd slapped her. I guess she thought I'd be turned on.

I suspect my experience is a lot more common than people think.

>>739909704
exactly. so why should either the boy or girl have his bodily autonomy taken away based solely on the age of the partner they choose? because that's the correlary of punishing the adults, you're telling teenagers they can have sex, but dictating who they can have it with.

I think female pedos can get away more under the guise of simply being motherly.

They can have their kids suck on their tits. It's generally seen as more acceptable for women to shower with or bathe their kids which makes it much easier to molest them. They get to indulge in this kind of behaviour and no one will bat an eye if they walk in on it. Walk in on a man with a young girl and everyone will be calling for blood.

>>739909850
Pics of your mom

>>739909799
a law enforcement group is presumptively biased on law enforcement issues. how is that even a debate point? look at everything else they "study" that everyone else contradicts, pot legalization, civil asset forfeiture, any liability reform.. ffs

and the second article doesn't even apply to this argument, as it's a specific group of existing offenders; a predictor a recidivism is not inherently a predictor of the original offense, as one of my studies pointed out, and is true for a a very wide variety of offenses and factors.

i do care about kids lives, that's why i want fewer to actually be molested, unlike you. but you've had it drilled into you so hard that you can't actually see it, and even when you tried, didn't have the education to know what is and isn't bullshit and what is and isn't relevant.
people like you hurt children through your ignorance.

>>739910008
Fuck off. I didn't relate my personal trauma to give you a boner.

>>739909864
Because majority of children doesn't even think about having that kind of sex. It is a kind of exploitation m8. Children and teens are very prone to long lasting traumas from this shit, especially if it is forced. Don't forget that teens really don't care about who they are but what others think of them. This kind of thinking can cause some serious shit and it usually goes away in late teens.
Conclusion: they don't have a clue what and why are they doing things

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>>739910134

>>739909850
>>739910008
>>739910134
>>739910285
I think this is the answer to this thread.

>>739910283
so i guess there's huge problems in
Age Countries (links are to sections on this page)
14 Albania, Andorra, Austria, Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Liechtenstein, Macedonia, Montenegro, Portugal, San Marino, Serbia
15 Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Greece, Iceland, Monaco, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden

and the dozens of countries and 31 US states where 16 is legal right?

oh wait, there's not. theres no such indicator of damage from setting the AoC to 14.

>>739910106
You are asserting opinions with nothing to back them up. Law enforcement has dont studies saying murder is bad so should we just forget that too? Again I ask who made you the arbiter of what is and isn't biased? You don't just get to dictate what is and isn't valid because of your own personal prejudice.

Don't project your shit onto me. You are the one who likes watching kids have sex not me. You are the one who has feelings of raping a child not me. So don't give me this bullshit about how I want to hurt kids and you want to save them.

>>739910134
Well I think you gave him one

>>739910419
Feel bad because Spain was 13, but those fuckers changed it to 16.

I think it's probably more that dudes are way more down to keep sex NSA and are less likely to blackmail because, well, thinkin' with they dick.

I mean like, there was Debra LaFavre or whatever... they exist, I think they just have an easier time keeping it hidden because guys are way more down to let that scenario play out.

Not positive, but hey, whatever.

>>739910419
I lived in some of those. I saw schoolmates fucking when they were 13. I myself lost virginity at 14, with sole reason that I can keep up with others.

Trust me, whole lotta fucked up decisions came from teenage sex. I don't support those limits, it is just an excuse for underage pregnancy so authorities don't have to deal with it.

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Spiderman or gtfo

>>739910672
You have understand that sex during those years isn't weird or disfunctional it is how we evolved. There was a time when 15 was middle aged (and in some places still is).

>>739910432
If ONLY LE said murder was bad, and every peer reviewed independent journal said murder was good... you wouldn't think hte problem was with the side that had a motive to say murder was bad? It's not my personal opinion, it's the default assumption that when one group with a strong incentive to disagree with independent research does so, that they're biased. it's true for all fields and all scientists think it.
MAYBE it's not, but presumptively it is, because again, everyone else agrees except a small, specific group with a good reason not to

You're projecting even heavier. Your projections are unfounded assumptions about my personal preferences, mine are based on you declaring support for a legal system that results in more children being hurt than would be otherwise.

>>739910844
Nope. The mortality rate was high for toddlers, cause they didn't survive early diseases. Every 1 in 5 children died. Plus, don't forget unnatural causes. If you count this into equation, then 25 is middle-aged.

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>>739911108
Raging samefag.

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>>739895637
Let's Play Spot The Faggot

Hint: he thinks logical fallacies actually mean something in the real world

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>>739911242

>>739895826
I can already smell the stench of faggots getting ready to adopt this girl, OH WEE

>>739910134

Stop being a homo and nail your mom.

>>739911298
the description is fake

>>739910911
None of that is a fact it is your opinion. I guess the illuminati is unfairly targeting the poor guys who wanna watch kids have sex. For a third time I ask who made you the arbiter of what is and isn't biased.

You are asserting your opinions to be true and that I want kids to be hurt. I think you know that saying I want kids to be hurt is bullshit you are just trying (unsuccessfully) to make an emotional ploy. I am assuming that you are a pedo based off the things you have said and the fact that you won't even bother to deny it. You know that you only care about this because you are personally int in child sex. The fact that it never even occurred to you that instead of letting people watch child sex that maybe seeking help from a mental health professional would be a much better option for everyone involved. You still haven't addressed the fact that for child prone to exist children have to be raped. Is that just an acceptable consequence to you?

>>739911045
There are still places on earth where the life expectancy is somewhere in the early 30's. These people usually live like our ancestors did. Humans are animals nothing special. We can reproduce in our early teens because it was an evolutionary advantage at some point.

>>739911424
My explanation of presumptive bias is fact no matter how much you wish it to be otherwise.

And my opinions are backed by independent peer reviewed research. Many studies. You presented one study, from a presumptively biased group, from 1987, where viewing C.P was far more involved.

If therapy is mandated prison terms would still back up refusal or failure.

And I did address that abuse has to happen for C.P to exist--
>also i'm not saying production should be legal. quite the opposite in fact. but imagine, all the law enforcement funding and man power now spent on going after simple possession (the large majority of it), could instead be spent exclusively on tracking down producers and major distributors.
>you want to tell me that wouldn't be huge plus?

>>739911533
Simply no.
>Life expectancy can change dramatically after childhood, as is demonstrated by theRoman life expectancyin whichat birth, the life expectancy was 21, but by the age of 5, it jumped to 42.
Unless you want compare us to ancestors when women still had tails, study your case, fagget.

what you're saying is like climate change..

i give you 100 studies from peer reviewed academic researchers, all saying it's real

you give me 1 study from decades ago from an oil company saying it's not

..your position is saying that there's no scientific consensus on that because the oil company isn't presumptively biased, and it's old study contradicts the newer ones

>>739911596
For the fourth time I ask who made you the arbiter of what is and isn't biased?

You are just stating your opinions. You are showing a couple of studies that say what you want to hear and declaring that anything that contradicts them is biased. That is intellectually dishonest. You didn't even read the studies so you can't assert with any credibility how they are dishonest. Before you can throw them out you have to prove them wrong

So if production was illegal that wouldn't matter much because of there is a demand there will be a supply. I am asking if you think it is acceptable that some children be raped just so you can control your urged?

So therapy is a waste of time and the only way to curb these desires is my limited indulgance? You keep proving that you do not care about being objective or what is healthy, you just want your own way.

>>739911929
Humans have been around for around 200,000 years. Rome was founded less than 3000 years ago. Even with their knowledge of medicine they didn't live that long. There are still tribes today that only live until their early 30's you can look it up. Our ancestors lived much like these people.

>>739912120
>For the fourth time I ask who made you the arbiter of what is and isn't biased?

Logic did. See >>739911980

>You are just stating your opinions. You are showing a couple of studies that say what you want to hear and declaring that anything that contradicts them is biased. That is intellectually dishonest. You didn't even read the studies so you can't assert with any credibility how they are dishonest. Before you can throw them out you have to prove them wrong

But it's an opinion supported by the available facts. You're being intellectually dishonest by saying your one study from a law enforcement group (again, bias presumption) has equal or better weight than everything i listed supporting mine
and you totally ignored the one thing that completely supercedes theoretical studies: Japan.
In Japan, C.P was made illegal fairly recently. When that happened, child abuse went up signficantly, while in all other countries (including asian ones), it went down.
Face it, the overwhelming scientific evidence and logic is on my side. Your one study doesn't contradict this.

>So if production was illegal that wouldn't matter much because of there is a demand there will be a supply. I am asking if you think it is acceptable that some children be raped just so you can control your urged?

It's not-- but outlawing possession increases the number of children raped. You think it's acceptable to have more children raped just to prevent some people from fapping to pictures of it?

>So therapy is a waste of time and the only way to curb these desires is my limited indulgance? You keep proving that you do not care about being objective or what is healthy, you just want your own way.
Therapy would be great, but not therapy backed up by prison for refusal to participate. Not as something mandated by the state. Because again, the simple fact is making possession illegal results in more child rape, not less, and takes valueable resources away

>>739912493
from identifying and locking up the people who really belong in prison, the producers.

bottom line, you're advocating for a policy that harms children more than the policy i'm advocating. i have extensive support in studies and the only real world example. you have one study, from a group dedicated to keeping it illegal, from 1987. You don't have equal or better support for your position, you have virtually none.

>>739912327
You don't seem to know the difference between early and late life expectancy. I believe your data that life expectancy is around 30 years in some areas, but your data is only the mean value of the whole population, including unvaccinated children.

Hey, found some info for paleolithic:
>Based on the data from recent hunter-gatherer populations, it is estimated that at 15, life expectancy was an additional 39 years (total 54), with a 0.60 probability of reaching 15.

>>739911242
Logical fallacies do mean something in the real world. Most of the time, a person committing a logical fallacy is making an argument that is not true or should not be considered a good reason to accept the narrative they are spinning. Ad hominems in particular will always be bad arguments in this regard, so your point about logical fallacies not meaning anything is even more wrong. If he had accused you of appealing to sympathy or believing you can predict the future based on past events (the gambler's fallacy), then you might have a good reason to say that fallacies are not centrally important.

>>739912493
> logic did
So you decided it yourself

"According to the Mayo Clinic of the U.S.A., studies and case reports indicate that 30% to 80% of individuals who viewed child pornography and 76% of individuals who were arrested for Internet child pornography had molested a child; however, they state that it is difficult to know how many people progress from computerized child pornography to physical acts against children and how many would have progressed to physical acts without the computer being involved.[10]

A study conducted by psychologists at the American Federal Bureau of Prisons has concluded that "many Internet child pornography offenders may be undetected child molesters", finding a slightly higher percentage of molesters among child pornography offenders than the Mayo Clinic study, though they also "cautioned that offenders who volunteer for treatment may differ in their behavior from those who do not seek treatment." The study was withdrawn by Bureau officials from a peer-reviewed journal which had accepted it for publication, due to concerns that the results might be misinterpreted. Some researchers argued that the findings "do not necessarily apply to the large and diverse group of adults who have at some point downloaded child pornography, and whose behavior is far too variable to be captured by a single survey".[11] Child protection advocates and psychologists like Fred Berlin, who heads the National Institute for the Study, Prevention and Treatment of Sexual Trauma, expressed disapproval over the failure to publish the report."

Literally the next two paragraphs had you bothered to read the article instead of ignoring something that didn't agree with you.

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>>739896831
I know a guy who kiks a girl who knew a guy that was molested by the very same kik group you are all talking about

>>739912743
This thread denied your throbing dick. Get used to it, anon.

Why aren't you reading the Newgon debate guide?
https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide

>>739912714
So it's your position that one shouldn't assume a group dedicated to one position is biased when they contradict everyone else? Ok.
No point in continuing with someone who refuses to accept basic reasoning.

In what universe does that Mayo study not support MY side:
owever, they state that it is difficult to know how many people progress from computerized child pornography to physical acts against children and how many would have progressed to physical acts without the computer being involved.

And then you make the same mistake with the bureau of fucking prisons. that's like citing the CEO of Enron on whether oil effects climate change.

but even that, fucking supports my position:
>The study was withdrawn by Bureau officials from a peer-reviewed journal which had accepted it for publication, due to concerns that the results might be misinterpreted. Some researchers argued that the findings "do not necessarily apply to the large and diverse group of adults who have at some point downloaded child pornography, and whose behavior is far too variable to be captured by a single survey".

are you even reading what you're posting? because you're helping my point, not yours.

anyway, im tired and you think law enforcement in unbiased in law enforcement issues.. i'd have better luck convincing the screaming subway preacher to that god doesn't exist, think whatever you want, but reread this thread with an open mind and you'll realize that the overwhelming evidence suggests that Japan isn't an anomaly, making C.P illegal results in more children being raped. peace.

> A study conducted by psychologists
> Child protection advocates and psychologists like Fred Berlin, who heads the National Institute for the Study, Prevention and Treatment of Sexual Trauma, expressed disapproval over the failure to publish the report.
> According to the Mayo Clinic of the U.S.A., studies and case reports indicate that 30% to 80% of individuals who viewed child pornography and 76% of individuals who were arrested for Internet child pornography had molested a child
The may clinic doesn't agree with you. Stop distorting facts to fit your views