Do you believe in God?

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if quadz, God exist, for ever and ever

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tu connais les no mùore heroes?

>>739841972
If he existed why would he let such a piece of human shit exist?

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>>739841972
This is my god. He does exist.

I'd like to.

The concept of god is not only fascinating, but entertaining.

It's a ripe area for logical fallacy, but it's also an area that helps us to challenge our conceived logics, and explore our more emotional, moral, or abstract thoughts such as faith, trust, love, honor, and bravery, all concepts that defy logic in favor of immaterial pursuits of imbalance.


Agree or disagree about it's existence, but the conceptual impact is undeniable, and that make it all the more real.

>>739842377
You can't walk without something to step on.

Yeah boi! its the only way.

>>739841972
Why would he?

>>739841972
Lutheran here

>>739842547
To me it's not about the physical or metaphysical but it's more about the fact that we were created. This implies that there is a schema in place and a template in place to determine the course of time. It cracks me up every time I hear about "evolution", and that it's all an accident. That is not true

>>739842883
But created by whom or what?

>>739842875
That doesn't answer the question. That might just mean you like casserole-heavy potluck dinners in church basements.

>>739841972
I am agnostic. I don't know and I don't care

>>739842948
if aliens created us, then who made them? ultimately, creation demands a creator. a God.

>>739841972
Yes, and I am dead to him because I've been abused, beaten up, molested and I'm only 20.

>>739843194
A god isn't the same as a creator. I can create something that doesn't make me all powerful over it.

>>739842875
I got 95 reasons that the church is wrong

>>739842948
I think there's a God who made all of this and ingrained order into this world from chaos. I also don't believe that homosexuality or transexualism is right because it doesn't adhere to the correct way of life

>>739843255
He works in mysterious ways

>>739843073
To answer the question at hand, yes I do.

>>739843383
What do you mean?
Maybe there's a chance for me in the future?

>>739843326
to create something from nothing is impossible without an all-powerful being.

>>739843194
>I do not understand how
>Therefore, God

Ignorance is now proof apparently.

>>739841972
someimes

>>739843255
It's only flesh and bone. The spirit is eternal

And the people who did that to you will be judged for it

>>739843353
There isn't order though. There are random events all the time. Don't tell me that a child getting molested is order

>>739843504
>i do not understand god
>therefore, atheism

>>739843469
Only to the small minded

>>739843525
No, that's the sin of mankind

No because im not 7

>>739843525
we live in a fallen world. God is not the author of chaos or death.

>>739843595
>I see no proof of God
>Therefore atheism

>>739843326
Most, if not all gods aren't all powerful.

Outside of Judah Christianity, gods were fallible and mortal, they simply possesses as deeper understanding of the incorporeal world, and a extreme, almost negligible longevity.

Godhood doesn't mean omnipotence.

>>739841972
Yes

>>739843653
This anon gets it

>>739843469
How do you know there was nothing?
How do you know nothing cannot become something?
The evidence doesn't demand anything at all. It just is, and so are you.

>>739843682
>i believe something came from nothing in such a perfect way randomly multiple times to produce life from lifelessness
>therefore atheism

>>739841972
No but I was raised with christian values and to this day apply them in my day to day life.

>>739843629
If God is all powerful and all knowing then freewill can't exist because he knows what you will don't here for there is only destiny not freewill. And if evil happens and he has the power to stop it and doesn't then he is evil. So either good doesn't exist or he is evil.

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Russian church don't love pokemons.

>>739843595
>Evidence doesn't suggest or prove a god
>Fuck trying to figure it out though, let's just believe something instead, that's easy.

>>739843689
So you believe in higher beings who are not all powerful?

>>739843742
We're told that the earth was void and empty and in chaos before God made light, it's not that hard to understand

>>739843742
entropy. if all that is has always been, then it can't have existed for eternity past because of the decay of matter and energy

>>739841972
how do we know if god is not just figment of our minds believing in the existence of a being in a greater power. and by that logic, couldn't someone who exhibits abnormalities be considered a god. sum-thing like they can produce excess body heat to a fingertip and produce enough concentrated energy to light a wick.

>>739843855
Double will not lie!

>>739841972
yup

>>739843811
I believe nothing
Proof is demanded. also,
>perfect
thats fucking funny

>>739843811
There is a more than zero chance that a tornado going through a junkyard will assemble a working car

>>739843837
You wrote gibberish but God decided to give men and women the ability to have free will. We used it wrongly so that's why we have problems

>>739843513
Unless they're born-again Christians, in which case they go to heaven, no questions asked, and the most noble, compassionate, charitable pagan goes to hell to be tormented for eternity.

>>739843916
There is equal chance that we life in a computer simulation as there is that God exists

>>739843997
and the cell exhibits irreducible complexity, yet it is extremely complex. it can't appear from nothing.

>>739844076
baptist?

>>739843932
A figment in the minds of all ancient civilizations who had nothing in common except being human beings

>>739844068
Until the Judgment Day, when God will, for some reason, intervene and set everything right. After allowing millennia of needless suffering.

>>739844171
It didn't. There were a lot of chemical reactions involved.
Also, the earliest living cells were laughably less complex than you think.

>>739844225
That's mainline Protestant dogma, stemming from Martin Luther's existential anxiety that he was going to hell when he died.

>>739844076
Well yea, we're told that there's only 1 (one) way to heaven. Is that a problem?

>>739844254
it's a bit like trying to solve a puzzle with only 2/3 of the pieces

>>739844293
based on fossilized cells from the dawn of time?

>>739844142
Prove it

Actually prove that God doesn't exist. That would be better

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actual pic of god

No one knows anything, and they say they do they're lying cunts. If there was a Almighty creator, the fucker is beyond all comprehension of our monkey brains. Be the best version you can be, try live and full life, and hail our dark lord Satan, amen

>>739844531
this guy is mostly right

>>739844068
I wrote a logical statement. Just because you didn't under stand it doesn't make it gibberish. I will break it down for you though

>Destiny cannot equal freewill they are mutually exclusive
>If God knows all he knows the future
>If God knows the future then we are predestined
>If actions are predestined then we are not free to decide our actions they are already determined
>God is all powerful
>God knows people are predestined to evil
>God does not stop evil from happening
>Therefore God condones evil
>Therefore God is evil

It's simple logic. Tell me the flaw

>>739844171
It can because it did

>>739844462
As opposed to based on a book thats been rewritten dozens of times that contradicts itself frequently? You can create life yourself by reproducing the chemical reactions.
>>739844476
Neither of the scenarios in question can be proven with any greater logical doubt than the other, which makes blind faith extremely stupid.

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>>739841972

>>739844476
Prove you aren't a child fucker. You can't prove a negative.

>>739844609
Good point. i'll have to get back to you on that one.

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>>739841972
>God is the Universe, the Dao. I believe in God as much as I believe that I as of the world around me.

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>>739844639
circular reason much?

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>>739844785
It's the same with God. The world is infinity complex so therefore must have been created. What ever created it though has to be all powerful and more complex then the world. But who created him? He could not have sprung from nothing because he is infinitly complex. As is the world.

>>739844640
an ancient scroll of the book of Isaiah predating Christ was found in the Qumran caves near the dead sea. it matched the modern translation almost perfectly.

>>739844609
The flaw in your argument is implying that God is only restricted to eliminating all creatures he made who are sinful. Since God wrote the definition of the word "definition" eons before time ever existed and has written every other concept that the physical and spiritual universe operates on now, how can we sit here and say that God has no right to make something he already knows will become evil eventually?

>>739843525
God didn't bring order from chaos. He brought Chaos from order.

Think: vacuous, empty, unformed space; nothing ever happens. What could be more ordered than that?

But a world full of life, uncountable different entities making choices, affecting the world around themselves? Chaos.

Chaos is the essence of free will, and without free will, we would be boring, and pointless.

>>739844996
the absence of matter produces the absence of time. this explains eternity past.

>>739844996
>infinitely complex = must have been created
Theres a flaw in your logic. I'll let you figure it out.
>>739845014
Ah, so it's always been full of stupid contradictions, good job.

>>739844996
The world is infinitely complex, therefore it exists. Its existence is God, as God is of existence and not nonexistence.

>>739845107
We are pointless, and you cannot logically prove the opposite.

>>739845019
That's a cop out. That's saying he is too complex to understand. If he is too complex to understand then how do we know his will? That complexity can't be written in a book so therefore the Bible is shit. So he is a mystery that we can't understand so why even believe in him?

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>>739841972
He's not just god. He's /ourguy/

>>739845146
pearls before swine, dude

So much cringe here.

There is no God. Atheism is the absence of a belief. Also it does not matter if there is something or nothing at any point.

Saying God does have no more explanatory / causal impact than saying there was nothing. God us an empty word. Nothing ACTUALLY follows.

>>739845115
Yes but does nothing to prove a creator. Matter coming from the big bang is equally as likely as matter from God.

>>739845243
the Bible is written so we can understand parts of His plan. if it was too complex for us to follow, it would be pointless.

>>739843194
Only if you have a linear concept of time.

>>739845014
Look at me, I'm arguing on the internet with no cited evidence. You dinosaurs had a good with two dicks, one to fuck the sun and the other to cream on the moon. They died off because they fail to anticipate the keebler evles would create a cookie comet that could wipe out all live on the face of they earth?

True fact look it up at yourdadsafag.org

>>739845243
Umm it's been stated many MANY times that God can't be understood by humans.

What's your're point?? You're not making sense

>>739841972
let me put it like this, if one person knew for a fact, without a doubt, that a god does not exist. the world will still be praying to a god. its a deeply rooted belief, some ask why are isis doing what they do? its because its deeply rooted into their lives, to kill insurgences, and to kill anyone who apposes Islam in the name of their god. so religion is a driving factor behind violence rooted throughout history.

>>739841972
No, but I always find religious people's arguments for god very lacking because they either are saying they believe because they want to bury their heads in the sand or argue for a higher being/power but we would have no idea what this higher being/power is like outside of proving its existence.

No, because I was born an atheist and I've never heard a compelling argument.

>muh Pascal's wager
>muh cosmological argument
>muh ontological argument
>just have faith lmao
Not good enough.

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>>739843504
This is a dumbass response.

>>739843912
Yeah, all powerful dictates they have control over my will as well, something that would go against concepts of post mortem ascension or reincarnation which are core concepts of all religious tenants.

>>739845146
It's not my logic. It's the logic of believers in do not believe that just because something is complex it needs to have been created but if that's your argument for a god then the argument exists that something must have created god

>>739845427
Prove that God doesn't exist.

Don't worry, I'll wait

>>739845208
I don't care to disprove it.

If we are pointless, it doesn't matter, and if we are not, then acting like we are is is a waste of your life. It makes more sense to simply assume we are.

>>739845201
I exist so therefore I am god?

Can we all agree we have to something out the Jews?

>>739845439
Same boat as this guy, religion isnt all that big or important where im from

>>739845425
So if he can't be understood he can't be followed and if he can't be followed religion is sham.

>>739841972
No, none of them.
Seems ridiculous to me.

Also, believing or not believing makes no difference, so I feel that I've taken the logical, time-saving choice of not attending any sort of congregation.

>>739841972
Do you believe in the cum fairy?

>>739841972

yes

>>739845587
Prove you aren't a child fucker. You can't prove a negative

>>739845601
It doesn't make any sense to assume either direction without some evidence to prove it.
I don't need a god to have a moral code or to understand how I have come to exist. Nobody does, but in the absence of understanding I understand that it makes for a comforting substitute for proof. That substitute denies the process of logic and evidence that I need. Faith doesn't work, it is by definition a denial of evidence and proof. It is the opposite of logic and I cannot adhere to it.

>>739845642
So God is everything, aka "the universe".
I believe in the universe, but I will pray to it or think it gives me moral edicts based on a book written by stone age idiots.

>>739845835
Because I say I'm not
Is that hard to believe or is it easy to believe?

>>739845967
So his will can be understood? Then explain how is is not evil.

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>>739844996
this is fucking me up.

>>739845835
Prove it

>>739846052
>being told something is or isn't is good enough for me
Well it's not for anyone with a logical thought process.

>>739846052
It doesn't prove anything. I say there is no god. Equally as valid

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>>739841972

>>739846079
Can you rephrase?

>>739846161
>Implying atheists believe anything
You should open a dictionary, mate

>>739846230
Prove to me god isn't evil

>>739846338
Explain how he isn't retard

>>739845967

If got ever existed you would think he could get better writers. It reads like shit.

>>739846161
No atheists believe a whole lot of different things. Some believe in the big bang. Some believe in a static state. Some believe aliens put us here

>>739846394
>If got ever existed
Let me guess, you're an atheist?
Your stupidity amazes me

>>739841972
No

>>739846394
There is no proof the Bible is the world of God other than it saying it is.

>>739846230
I asked you to prove to me that God doesn't exist. Also God isn't evil because evil means rebellion against God, so that's a fallacy in and of itself

>>739841972
nope

>>739846533
>world of God

kek nice try.

Yes. A leap of faith is nessecary but it's the only way to live a fufilling life. Otherwise all your deeds are meaningless, nothing you will ever do matters and as cynical as you can be about it at the age of 15 it's gonna be a deep underlying trauma in your conscience that will drive you to misery.

Believing is not for the weak. You will still doubt. But believe because there has to be something higher than yourself, and even if you do a good deed that no ones notices it's still a good deed.

Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God.

>>739846568
I said it's impossible to prove a negative. Prove to me that you don't fuck your mother. Prove to me that you never ate your own cum prove to me that you aren't a figment of my imagination

>>739846338
Oops
>>739846230

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>>739841972
YES

>>739846741
Ok you're insane. I'm out

>>739846533

It sure does seem like an old-world form of controlling the masses. Now it's media before, it was the bible. It's mostly for controlling the feeble minded.

until about 6 months ago I was full on reddit fedora atheist mode

I consider myself religious now and I know God exists, there's no need for belief

>>739846755
You simply yain't understand the maximum philolsophy of the god

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>>739841972
Submit to The God

>>739844640
>>739844609
1) Destiny isn't rigid. It's an inevtiablity but it can be altered, delayed or manipulated based on the actions of mortals.
Case an point: The world is destined to end, that doesn't imply it MUST go down in a blaze of nuclear fury.

2)God predicts the future based off a series of meta-knowledge.

3)Predictable, and predestined aren't the same.

4)Prone and predestined are not the same.

5)ye
6)prone*
7)Depending on which theology: they did.
Humanity fucked it up. Usually it results in god either trying to purge the fuck ups, or he straight up ignores them since they're effectively punishing themselves in an effective sift.

People who retain their goodness are rewarded, people who fall are punished after dying, they're left to their devices in life both to supply corruption to the rest of the subjects or to achieve redemption.

8) Condone =/= Endorse. That's an "Us vs Them" logical fallacy.

9) Some are.

>>739846843
Go fucking join him then. If God exists why spend time in this mortal coil?

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>>739846388
Giving people a free will but punishes them for using it. Creates rules so strict that people are literally unable to follow them. Says that if you don't believe in him or follow all his rules he will torture you forever.

If any parent treated their child the way evil god treats people they would be locked up.

>>739846843
That spits in the face of faith entirely. You're a fucking heretic and will burn in hell forever for it.

Also, prove it.

this has been a surprisingly good thread for /b/ standards - impressed.jpg

I am a pagan atheist. Earth is the only God i need.

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>>739846533
it fucks me up when I think about the possibility of the Bible just being a scam some dudes made up so they could have some power. Like, "hey we kinda just came out of this earth, we should tell everybody we know God"

>>739846953
Nice pic, too bad the bible has nothing to do with god

>>739841972
I guess this is one of the aspects that shows that burgermericans are just retarded.
That fucking "undisputable proof" "I know he exists, no need for believing" "How can you not believe". It doesn´t even have anything to do with sprituality or finding something for yourself to believe in.
Just trying to push it down other peoples throat and somehow try to give life a meaning. So terrible afraid of the absurdness of life, so scared of the darkness.

>>739847067

lol it's the logic of a child.

No! Only I can talk him. He likes me! Now don't eat meat on during this thing called lent!

Don't worry about my friends in the fishery getting a little extra money! God said so!

>>739845439
Pacals wager is a show that atheism is illogical for the same reason it's illogical to burn down one bridge just because there is another on the other side of the island.

>>739847231

You would never have believed in god if people never told you to.

>>739846946
Because if you don't follow his rules you go to Hell

>>739847036
Atheist doesn't mean doesn't worship a god, it means there is no belief in one. If the earth is your god, you are not an atheist.

>>739847333
My entire household is atheist yet I am christian by choice. You're fucking stupid

>>739847167
Well that is pretty convenient isn't it. Once the Bible gets proven untrue the goal post for god just gets moved again.

>>739847323
The logic of pascals wager is absolutely fallacious. If it makes more sense to believe in a god over fear of reprisal, what if the real god sees you don't worship him correctly and finds your logic to be heretical more than atheism and punishes you harder? The chance is just as high. It really makes more sense to not assume what the unknown is until you actually know it.

>>739847357

What makes hell so bad anyway? You would get desensitized within the first year. If you've ever seen isis torture videos people just stop screaming after a while and take it.

>>739844609

God gave people free will which means he doesn't predetermine our actions.

Free will was given, knowing that it would necessarily create evil, but the option to sin (commit evil) is a necessary of free will.

This is the whole reason Satan left God's side right? And being jealous of human affection and existence.

Im actually an athiest, but i don't buy the god is evil argument because of that.

>>739847468
You chose to believe it based on what you've been told. You're fucking stupid.

>>739847333
I never did. I do though really like the concept of Jesus. The kindness and forgivness. Everything boiled down to "don´t do to others what you don´t want them to do to you".
He was basically a philosopher.
And speaking of the bible. Who tells me the gospel of Judas isn´t as right as the bible, since it´s as real as the bible.

>>739847468
Well good choice. And likewise

Although it's not good to cuss

>>739847323
Pascal's wager could be used in any number of ways. You could literally use it to justify any religion or ideology.

>>739847468

Someone had to tell you first though. Maybe not your family, but someone.

>>739847610
So by using your own logic, you don't believe in god based on what YOU'VE been told. How does it feel to be retarded?

>>739847231
Fellow atheist here, you're the problem.

>>739847748
Care to illuminate why i am the problem?

>>739847244
Why are so many of us douchebags like you?

>>739847556
I would imagine that hell is called hell for a reason.
Based on my simple understanding (and yours and everyone elses') I would imagine that hell is the most dreadful place for anything to be subject to and that it lasts forever without pause or a timeout.

>>739841972

No. I don't. I don't definitely believe in one. I don't think there needs to be a God for things to exist and to just say there is one to me is intellectually lazy and looking for the quickest easiest answer to wrap things up. There could be one but the evidence I've seen so far says the necessity isn't there.
Without a definitive deist belief set then I must be an atheist since I don't definitely believe in one since I see the terms as dichotomous.

Still, if I saw good solid evidence I'd start believing there's a god.

Also, all religion is complete shit and I do completely write them all off. They make claims on a value system of something that they don't even know is there and you have to evaluate each claim individually. Even if 50 percent chance each claim is right they're basically statistically destined to be wrong.

> creates angels that eventually get sick of his shit and 1/3 rebel
> creates humans and the first 2 are not able to follow his rules
> more of his angels leave heaven so they can marry human women
> his creation fucks up so bad he has to flood it and start over

god sure does suck at running the universe

>>739847694
My logic is as follows
>Can it be proven?
>If yes, submit to proof. If it cannot be proven, deny belief or assumption.

So by my own logic, I do not believe there is a god because no evidence proves there is one. With proof, belief would be unnecessary to begin with.

It's pretty goddamned simple, quite like you.

>>739841972
I HAVE SEEN THE FACE OF GOD

>>739841972
No, I just simply met the guy.

>>739847468
>I'm a Christian you fucking retard

>>739847694
Well there is actually proof for the things atheists believe yet there is none for god. If you are suggesting that a person has to be an expert in many different fields of science in order to be an atheist then you are a fucking retard.

>>739848015
My logic is as follows
>Can it be proven?
>If yes, submit to proof. If it cannot be proven, deny belief or assumption.

So by my own logic, I believe there is a god because no evidence proves there isn't one. With proof, belief would be unnecessary to begin with.

It's pretty >goddamned simple, quite like you.

a+ damage control

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>>739847945
But think about it. If it's for eternity it would become the norm and they would have to run out of torture methods by the end of eternity; so it would become easy to just stop being afraid of torture. Which means the concept eternal hell is logically flawed.

>>739848486
No it's umm

bad

>>739848357
Prove spiderman doesn't exist
Prove you aren't a child molester
Prove god doesn't exist
Prove unicorns don't exist

You see how all of these don't work?
Fucking retard
And you really can't, btw.
Also
>Can't prove he doesn't exist
>Better believe, just to be sure, that way I don't have to think

Coward.

>>739848357
> I believe in god because no evidence proves there isn't one
Nice sentence structure. Well there is plenty of evidence to prove th Bible wrong and that god and jesus are a reworking of older myths. That is also a pretty shitty reason to believe in a god. By the same logic you can't disprove allah, Thor, Zeus, etc. so why don't you believe in them?

I like how everyone tries to argue logically. Yet it is most often a question of belief and feelings and not a rational one.
I myself don't care whether there is a god or not. I call myself an "Agnostiker" (in German, dunno english word).
If there is a god, I will once know of him. This means that until then i will stay calm and do nothing.

>>739848891
Agnostic

>>739848891

Stop sitting on fence. When it comes down to what matters. It's either is or is not and god is not boi. I could go on a shooting rampage and the only people I would have to answer to are anyone else with a gun.