Why are atheist so sure there is know god?

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>>739341614

>>739341614
Eat arrow, fascist!

>>739341758
No it doesn't anon

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God is, or God is not. Reason cannot decide between the two alternatives.

A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.

You must wager (it is not optional).

Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.

Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.

But some cannot believe. They should then 'at least learn your inability to believe...' and 'Endeavour then to convince' themselves.


Pascal's wager

in other words, regardless of whether or not there is a god, we all want to believe. but some people genuinely cannot. what pascal wanted to argue is that we stand to gain everything from belief in a higher power (doesnt have to be christian, just a "maker") and lose nothing if we are wrong

>>739342780
Ok, so why is this wrong? First, it is based on a false dichotomy fallacy. Which god? People often forget, due to the self-absorbed nature of humanity, that there is more to the world than just what they believe in. Let’s not forget that there are any number of gods that are believed in equally strongly by their respective theists.

Second, if we factor in the existence of multiple gods, we must also factor in the potential punishment of following the wrong god. The first commandment makes it pretty clear that at least some gods don’t like it when you choose the wrong one. Additionally, the game is no longer a wager between two options. You have multiple options, with each option – except atheism – promising reward and punishment.

By now, we’ve pretty much destroyed step one of Pascal’s Wager. If you’re keeping up, you’ll release we’ve destroyed step two as well (it is no longer a 50/50 chance – heads or tails is no longer valid). But wait, there’s more! It was never an even chance to begin with. Recall two other logical principles I’ve mentioned, Occam’s Razor and Rationalism. A deity is the ultimate extreme of unlikeliness based on Occam’s Razor (because a god is inexplicable and has no beginning), and based on this, we can use rationalism to conclude that it is not reasonable to consider god as a “truth”. Remembering that rationalism deals with a priori knowledge and probability of likelihood, this is not to say that a god doesn’t exist, it’s just saying that the chances of a god existing are lower. That leaves us with atheism having a statistical edge (no solid numbers, it could be a lot or a little based on your personal beliefs, but atheism definitely has an advantage in terms of statistical accuracy, whether large or little). So not only is it not “heads or tails” any more, it’s far from it.

>>739341614
No matter how much shit changes around here, there is always and forever going to be gore, traps, fur and people whining about politics and religion.

They really want to believe they have figured something out that the majority of the population hasn't, so they insist on being contrarian. Also they don't realize that believing in god is the optimal choice due to the placebo effect having real effects.

>>739343087
This is the most reddit tier awful logic I have ever read on this website, and I have been here for 8 years. Congratulations.

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Are we living in a simulated reality?

>>739343348
philosophy 101
chapter:2 pascal's wager
chapter:3 refuting pascal's wager

>>739341614
Why are you portrayed as a crying little girl?

"Why are atheist so sure there is know[sic] god?"

We have faith that there is no god.

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>>739343410
no

>>739343087
>>739343348
Now, considering that you are wagering for reward, we must ask ourselves, will this behaviour be met with reward? That is to say, if you choose to follow a religion in the hopes of winning some divine lottery, even if that religion was correct, will that god reward you considering your motive? Probably not. Again, statistical speculation based on scripture; it is often said that man cannot ever understand the mind of god, so there is a chance that god will reward you for betting on him, but given that such an action would conflict with the concepts of morality and ethics taught by religion, it would be a pretty self destructive process.

We’re at the end now – and given the logical reasons put forth above, we have reshaped the playing field of this game:

A god or many gods or no gods may exist.
A game is being played … where there are at least 20 options (based on a list of the major religious groups in this world), and the atheism option has at least a slightly better probability of being correct (exact amount debatable).
According to reason, you can defend any of the at least 20 propositions.
You must wager. (It’s not optional).
Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering in a certain god or lack of god. In wagering for the existence of one of at least 20 gods, you may gain some reward from one god (in the unlikely event that god rewards you for your motive being to bet on him)

>>739341614
Im not opposed to the possibility there is a god I just choose not to care about religion much.

>>739341614
How are you so sure that there is no santa?

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>>739343658
that's called agnostic you fucking retard

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>>739343681
Pretty sure there is no Santa or Big Foot either

>>739343467
>implying it is dangerous to upset certain gods by not believing in them
>safest choice is to not believe in any gods

nice logic

>>739341758
So you mean the mental disorder that makes you extremely logical takes you to th emost logical conclusion?

NO WAY ANON.

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>>739343649
if you are correct, and will receive punishment from at least 20 gods if you are incorrect. Further, you have a lower chance of being correct than if you pick the atheism proposition.
Wager then based on your risk aversion (financial principle that basically means how much risk you are willing to take on an investment). However, risk aversion assumes rational investors that tradeoff risk for return. A rational investor will not pick a higher risk option (punishment from 20 gods with a lower chance of being correct is pretty risky) if the return does not offset taking on such risk (reward from 1 god; it depends what you think the reward will be then, and whether or not you will even receive this reward). Hence, betting on anything besides atheism (the safe bet), would be considered irrational both from a financial perspective, a statistician’s perspective and a logician’s perspective.

>>739343858
>spend your one life on a wager that the version of the god that exists in your time is the only answer
>spend your life like you have only one and live it to the fullest

gee johnny

>>739344138
You think those are mutually exclusive? You act like believing in god takes more effort than being an atheist when that is not at all a requirement.

>>739344060
Lol you sound like people from my econ 101 class. Eager to use fresh vocab but no substantial knowledge to actually apply it. You're assuming that the loss here comes into effect by picking the wrong god to believe in. So instead of taking a risky gamble, you choose to be an atheist and give yourself a 100% chance of loss. The fact that you can't see this is hilarious.

>>739344838
Econ 101?

>>739344838
>100% chance of loss
Fake news

>>739344838
this post gives me life

>>739344970
Risk aversion is a popular topic in many entry level classes.

>>739341614
How can they be athiests if they know God?

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>>739344838
I didn't win the lottery so I have 100% loss I also didn't fuck ivanka trump in the ass today so I have 100% loss too

>>739345272
No. Those are awful analogies. The risk/reward associated with believing in a god is inherently different to risk/reward when investing money. If you disagree then I'm sorry but you are hopeless. I'm sure you can figure it out though.

pascals wager can not be refuted and there is no false dichotomy here..

there is or there isnt a higher power. not a god, but a higher power that created everything.

the dichotomy is set up by the conception of a higher power in and of itself

whether its 0 or 20 gods, is beside the point FFS

>>739345660
>cannot
Is one word

>>739345503
Those analogies are both hypothetical so is a god. Until you can prove one exists

>>739345781

and periods go at the end of sentences you fuck

im drunk eatging a philly cheesesteak more messy than your mother give me a break

>>739345824
Nah you're just trolling now. No one is this terrible at logic. Goodnight, hope you find something better to do with you time.

>>739341614
it's been several months of this

can OP say how many pics he has of that character?

>>739345781

LOL you're the redditor arent you

>>739341614
There might be. He's a total ass-clown though, so fuck him.

>>739341614
Because all of the other gods that you belive are false gods...we just add one more to the list

>>739341614
Same reason theists are sure there is a God.

Faith.

>>739346004
Maybe your mom

>>739346052
Months? More like years

>>739341614
Ockhams Rasiermesser

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>>739346309

Lol everything is thought by your mind

"i can conceive of god. because of this, he might exist"

different pascal, same principle

We're not Shure, we just don't want to believe in something we have no evidence for

no*

>>739341614
Same reason I know Santa Claus and the tooth fairy are not real.

>>739346867
Everything from math to physics stands on assumptions we have no evidence for. Do you not believe in anything then?

>>739341614
Y r Athisms so Shire where isn't know Gerd?

because toot toot mcscoot ma boot.

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>>739346964
What about Bigfoot?

>>739347086
Boot boot hill airys emails

religion is just humans desperate romanticism of creation and afterlife. we are not special to deserve afterlife. were just meatbags that got really fucking far

>>739344838
>Eager to use fresh vocab but no substantial knowledge to actually apply it.

yeah I hate it when people do that

>the loss here comes into effect by picking the wrong god to believe in. So instead of taking a risky gamble, you choose to be an atheist and give yourself a 100% chance of loss.

>>739346312
then what is a lack of faith?

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If atheism is the belief in no god is abstinence a sexual position?

>>739342780
Pascal's wager

>>739341614
>fucking jibberish

yeabut, what if they aren't they sure that there isn't not none of any gods enough? Don't want to be not sure that there isn't not none of any gods too much. How isn't it could be if not then aren't and?

>>739342780
Pascal's vager turns into Pascal's roulette if you take all Gods who will grant you torture if you don't believe in them.

Turns into Pascal's lottery if you think of every single God people ever believed in.

>>739342780

"You cannot petition the lord with prayer."
-btfo by a filthy drunk bad poet

>>739347661
goddammit, I actually tried reading that

>>739347661
You asshole, what am I supposed to do with all those words?

>>739347879
I prefer Pascals Horserace, where all gods compete for maximum plausibility, and the most likely to actually exist in a realm outside some stupid humans imagination is the winner.

So far I haven't won any money, for all the time I've spent at the track.

>>739345660
Where does flying spaghetti monster fit in? I checked and quite sure he's not the same as Christian God.

>>739341614
Whats the origin of this pic

>>739347106
Of course he is real dumbfuck, there is tons of evidence.

>>739348440
He eats christian gods for dinner.
Luckily for christians, they have so many gods, they will be alright for quite some time.

>>739341614
I dont know what's worse; The fact that people still make this fucking thread, or that people still fall for it after all this damn time, day in and day out

>>739341614
I dont really care about these bait threads as I'll believe what i want but i have a question
Who is this girl on these I search it and i get 'Crying'

>>739348406
Race is over when you die bub.

>>739348547
I thought they only had floodbringer, zombie jesus and Casper.

>>739348689
Hell no! Those aren't the rules; the race is over when I say it's over. Now get back on your fucking horse Aten, and I don't want to hear one more fucking word unless it's about how you actually exist in this reality.

Why does every plant use the Fibonacci sequence in some way?
It's gotta be a coincidence

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>>739341614
Atheists are so gay

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ITT: Dumb niggers who think they know everything about the universe and claim they can prove there is or isn't a god

>>739348955
Idk mang, I checked a cactus, no spiral just a spiky dick.

>>739349141
As a fellow agnostic, I'm here to troll both sides of the argument.

>>739348919
They also have the god of evil, and all the lesser gods the angels, cherubs & cherubims, succubi & saints, etc etc etc, that have all the same powers as all gods, except for having created this physical realm.

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>>739341614
>Why are atheist so sure there is know god?

Why can't theists properly spell words? How to magnets work? Know one knows!

>>739349281
Not even agnostic tbh, I believe there is a god. I just know I can't prove it or disprove it. I don't know shit about shit, and so I can't say "oh yeah I'm the smartest motherfucker in the room I can prove flying spaghetti monster does/doesnt exist hurr durr.

>>739348955
or, and I know this sounds crazy, but it could be, that physical traits are derived from this fucking branch of sciencey shit that you may hear of one day called genetics.

lol nah, it's probably all a great liberal conspiracy put there by satan to distract you from the truth, that the entire universe revolves around your awesome and perfect species.

>>739349355
Bible doesn't mention any other God though.
Maybe Moloch but not sure if it's an actual God or just name of a false God people were worshipping.

>>739349507
That's agnosticism. Agnostic theism to be more precise.

>>739349507
Then you're not even intelligent enough to support your own beliefs?

Do you go around believing in entire sets of alternate realities without understanding why in other areas of your life?

>>739349713
Isn't agnosticism simply not knowing whether there is or isn't a god?

God is supposed to be omnipotent and omniscience
Evil in world but does nothing
If he doesn't see it he's not omniscience
If he can't do anything about it he's not omnipotent
If he could but chooses not to is that god you'd chose to follow?

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>>739349808
Can you support you belief why there is or isn't a god with hard, actual facts?

>>739350032
*your

fucking autocorrect

Agnostic Front

>>739349713
You fucking atheists are funny. You think there's a special place outside of hell for you by saying you "don't know". Guess what, neither do atheists. There are only believers (from deits, to theists, to pantheists), and those who do not fully believe. Whether you don't know but are 99% sure there isn't a god, or you don't know but are 1% sure there isn't a god, you are not a believer, and are atheistic, and need to repent and heal your loss of faith or suffer the wrath.

>>739349812
That's what your stance is. You said " I believe in God". Not " I know God exists because Bible or because muh watchmakermaker", or " I know God isn't real because muh logic or because science"
You believe in God and claim you cannot prove he exists.

>>739341614
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-d4otHE-YI

>>739350140
Relax bud
Pope already said there's room for atheists in heaven whether they want to believe or not.
Chill that brimstone out

>>739350032
Can I support what belief? I have no beliefs, that's why I didn't respond to my own post about my beliefs you fucking twat, I responded to yours, about your beliefs.

You don't even know how to have the discussion about how to know what to think about the things you think. I mean jesus...

>>739350140
I refuse to hail the giant kid in the sky and his giant magnifying glass.

Go back to church fuckin fruitcake>>739350140

>>739350346
According to that fellow, Pope is not a real believer either.
These guys would crucify Jesus on his secondcoming lol.

God fuck off with the barbaric belief that
>U GO TO HEL IF U DUN BELIVE.
That means everyone pre Jesus is damned for no reason. as a Catholic who is not deluded by your linear and its obvious as long as your a good person you get in, believing is just an extra + on your resume

>>739350349
*believe, sorry, mobile user. Autocorrect is a bag of dicks.

Also

>provides no actual argument

>>739350581
B-But then I can't say your damned to hell. My only insult.

>>739344138
just because you believe in a god means you can't live your life the fullest? Are you autistic?

>>739350615
You're the one with a belief. Show your proof.

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>>739350581
Flame Wars....Flame Wars never change

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>>739350140

>>739350581
You guys are aware that Mohammed (s.a.v) said that everyone who believed in a God before him is going to heaven ( except jews) although now u must be Muslim.

>>739350615
>I have a belief not based on proof.
>Now everyone else has to show me their proof of their beliefs or lack of beliefs or else.

Else what?
You said a thing you can't defend and have been called on it.

>>739350900
Which Mohammad?
Like, fucking half the world is named Mohammad man. Might as well not even bother having first names anymore, and just all agree everyones first name is Mohammad, and go by middle names instead.

>>739349495
is this b8? Or are you stupid?

>>739350900
> said that everyone who believed in a God before him is going to heaven
That's to easy, just be born before and rape and murder but get free ticket.
Besides Islam is a cancer in its current form. It can be made good if it reforms but no, better to stay in the medieval age of thinking i guess

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>>739350140

Sorry bro, I have a a very intimate relationship with reality.

>>739351043
My name is Mohammad Islam.

lol it's like saying "Hi my name is Jesus Christianity. Yes my parents are retarded."

>>739350909
Do you believe the sun exists? Or the moon?

Or is their existance is empirically proveable thus you know?

You can only believe when there is proof. That's why it's called a leap of faith.

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Spelt 'no' wrong, fag

>>739351244
I bet they are good friends.

>>739350554
Takes two to tell or spread lies
The teller and listener
Noble lie that at one time was good for morality but now....
What is morality?
This board is heathen, the west has become obsessed with killing, murdering. At any given moment all the boards on the internet have people looking for loli or trap porn. Want to see rekt animals or share private photos from spite or pride.
People can't even have a debate without getting into the samefaggotry of name calling or just pushing their point.
Religion is fading. People still claim or cling to it but don't live it.
All the sinners are atheists because if they truly believed they would see how they betray their beliefs.

>>739351043
That's why nigga added "ṣallā Allāhu ʿalayhi wa- ala ālihi wa-salla" in the end.

Learn to be more tolerant of people's pronouns.

>>739351283
>Implying Rick does not just bury his belief as seen in the dividing universe universe.
>No atheists in a crisis
also get out with R&M memes.

>>739341614
Iv'e been coming here for years and this shit never ends

>>739351257
I like how you keep trying to deflect back to someone else instead of defend your position on the stupid shit you said.

>You can only believe when there is* proof. That's why it's called a leap of faith.
*You mean isn't.

Belief and faith are a shaky, temporary proof substitute.

>>739351638
Right? It's funny that it's almost always the same picture too and people still bite.

>>739351373
All saints have a past. And all sinners have a future my friend.

>>739351373
So its impossible too be a goodhearted person without being a christfag ?

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>>739351608

>>739351747
same, and yet it's like about 1 out of 50 times, I just jump in. I don't know what it is. It's a fun break from the rest of /b for a few minutes or something.

Because you exist

>>739343410
Yes. I believe so.

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>>739352183
I was dying when I was thinking back to how many times Iv'e see this shit and that moment I reached your reply I just lost my shit. Thank you for existing.

>>739351681
I checked and my spelling is correct as is my intention. You can't believe something if there is proof of it. That's the whole point of religion. Haven't you been paying attention?

Samael, Adam, Eve all got the harshest punishment because they "knew" God existed and disobeyed.
Same with the judgement day. Or upon your death. Then you will know God's existance and you will not be able to believe anymore. You can only defy.

In terms of 4 chan logic you can believe the poster is a femanon and keep talking to "her" or you can demand timestamped tits for proof.

Then your belief shifts into whether it's a trap or not.

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STOP FUCKING ARGUING YOU WONT CHANGE EITHER SIDES MIND
/thread

>>739351121

Lurk more.

>>739352413
I told you before, I'm just trolling. Plenty of time to kill till my second coming.

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>>739352376
>You can't believe something if there is proof of it.

>>739351831
Naw I believe we're worm food after this but I still try to be a white knight. So many fucking losers are on a self serve me me me trip to watch everyone get butthurt. I like to tip the scale the other way a bit. Give the losers something to do.

Jesus would turn on his cross if he knew what scumbags that represents him on earth

That is a weird coincidence

>>739352560
Last try.
If you are white and your wife is white and she gives birth to a half nigger. Do you know she cheated or do you believe you are a nigger?

>>739341614
Because God is either gay or he's not all knowing. Pick one.

>>739353149
Id belived satan was doin some hokus pokus

>>739347258
This. We're just animals that got too intelligent for our own good.

>>739353503
Soo it's deffo not Satan sticking it in Mary and claiming he's God?

devil snuck around with dinosaurbones fool us
hes a fuckin joker that red prick

dont call satan a nigger
your going to hell for this

>>739353956
>>739353919
>>739353503
Satan burying bones errywhere

>>739341614

>>739354302
lol