James Bond will not be played by a woman because other than the Doctor his face isn't supposed to change throughout the series. The role is only played by different actors because the other ones get old. Storyside all the bonds are still the same person. The doctor is an alien so it makes sense that he could have a sexchange, Bond however is human.
>>739196837 I don't care about the new doctor being a woman considering the whole regeneration thing can explain it and they have already said timelords can regenerate as a different gender but James bond has always been a man and should stay that way. It will change the character far too much.
I hate the female Doctor, but at least the liberal SJW feminist wankers can actually hide behind the fact The Doctor could technically regenerate into a woman. James Bond however, is a man. It's in his name, it's in the books, it's his character, he's a womaniser!
Female Bond, won't see it.
Want a female Bond? Make a spin-off where she's 008, everybody wins.
>>739196837 FAKE NEWS wont happen 1 there is no top actress in hollywood that can play the role 2 no one will get it serious 3 they will lose money on it and jews in hollywood will never let this happen >prove me wrong and cast it pro tip youcant
>>739198119 I argued with some snowflake on Twitter the other day (I know right, my life sucks), and I suggested making new female characters rather than making male characters female, and apparently that's privileged. Explain that please, could I didn't get it.
>>739198461 I don't see any privilege in saying "If you want strong female protagonists, make them". I mean how would they react if we decided to make male versions of popular female characters? I mean if I wanted a movie, comic or video game where I could feel represented, I'd make a power fantasy in those mediums based on myself. I wouldn't copy paste my head onto duke nukem or something.
>>739198619 We gave women control of society, that's what's happened.
Society has always focused on giving our women a comfortable home life, but now that's changed lanes and women are trying to dominate and control all facets of society.
You see it in sports, you see it in video games, you see it in traditionally male job fields and hobbies. You see mens clubs and groups being forced to allow female members, while womens groups are not afforded the same "privilege"
As a fan of the books first and foremost, and also being a huge Ian Fleming appreciator, let me say that this is just toooooo far of a throw from the original character. The book Bond is the true disposable male, with no qualms made about it. Don't know how that could possibly translate for a female. Never mind that this would probably make Fleming spin in his grave so fast the earth would act crazy like at the end of of the original Superman movie.
>>739198824 Exactly! If you want female empowerment, show us. I loved Wonder Woman, but I didn't go anywhere near Ghostbusters, but if Wonder Woman was remade with Wonder Man, that's white male CIS gender patriarchy white washing.
>>739199058 The thing about wonder woman is, she has an actual personality. She's an openminded loving person, who can kick seven shades of shit out of you if need be. Ghostbusters was basically just "hurrdurr women=better".
>>739199191 007 is a code name, or an identifier within the organization, but the characters name is James Bond. If he got killed then some other guy could be called 007, but he wouldn't be called James Bond, he'd be whatever his name is.
>>739199316 i think it was supposed to be different James Bonds that just have the same characteristics so that you get a nostalgic feeling for the other movies, one 007 never says something about a prior mission because it wasnt HIS mission
>>739199124 Combo of social media and the morons holding the power positions. They think that's what people want, then letting their ego's get in the way by calling it sexist/racist to not see it rather than it was just a shit film.
>>739198642 they fail because it look unrealistic when a skinny woman can take a few punches to the face or body from 200lbs thug and manage to win a fist fight
deal with it woman cant play in such a role as the strong action hero
also feminism is the biggest bullshit known to modern word and everyone supporting it is retard it dosent exist in modern civilized countries there are women all over big job in every sphere of life even in some of the most man dominated jobs there is always a woman on high position example financial sector, wall street, even there is a woman who basically is in charge of Formula 1 team so fuck off with your feminism bullshit you want feminism and the strong womun meme but in bed almost every woman want to and like to get man handled stupid feminism retards if you want to fight for women rights go do it in some 3rd world countries where women get stoned to dead and cant even vote dont do it in murica or germany go do it somewhere where really is a problem fake ass faggots
>>739199191 The double-oughts are licenses to kill. Those get reissued on the death of an agent.
In The Man With the Golden Gun, 002 is Bill Fairbanks, assassinated by a bullet through the neck from Scaramanga in Beirut. Later, another 002 parachutes onto Gibraltar at the start of The Living Daylights, and is captured as soon as he lands. Similarly for 003 through 0011 (except for 007!).
Lawrence Croft of Croft Manor. Replace the lead in Kill Bill with a man. A man can swing a sword just as well as a woman. Dirty Dancing - Nobody puts Bobby in a corner - could work? Pretty Man - Just recast Richard Gere in the opposite role. Just throwing it out there... I'm sure you can come up with more.
Doesnt seem like the writers do half the time either.
That said, since there's little to no actual cool Bond gadgets these days i'd say 'reboot'.
Then again it could be prequel, and one day soon they'll go "Here you go Bond, your belt that fires lasers, your watch that turns into a helicopter and your car with a space shuttle disguised as the back seat."
>>739199689 In skyfall James Bond went back to his childhood home and met that old dude he hadn't seen since he was a teenager and the old dude called him James 1st time he saw him. You also see his parents graves in the film and their last names are Bond. His name IS James Bond dumbass.
>>739200183 at least dosent look stupid when he fight 3-4 guys
they are fake ass faggots its easy to be feminist on facebook twitter youtube and to go protest in murica france etc. where you are surrounded by cops and society is civilized go do it in saudi arabia where the problem is real and where you can go to jail or get fucked up doing it but no they wont because they are just a pussy ass fake ass wanna look cool retards who dosent actually care abut it
When Broccoli bought the film rights to Bond, rights to"Casino Royale" had already been sold. Which left it open for the Woody Allen/Peter Sellers comedy to use the character once they acquired rights to that "story."
Making another Sean Connery film after he parted ways with "Cubby" was also made possible by calling it a version of "Royale."
Side fact -- in acquiring the majority of the Bond stories, Brocolli also got Fleming's kids' book, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, and brought it to the screen,w ithout much trace of the the spy story that originally was most of the plot -- just the two spies that Bomburst sends to capture Potts.
>>739201143 I'll bite. You aren't sick of the "edgy alternative badass chick kickin' ass" meme yet? Im attracted to cute shy girls/women that are literally scared of being involved in a physical fight. Does that make me "soft" or "gay" ? I feel like I'm going crazy. Its like women want to be men.
>>739197101 I think Idris Elba would be a fucking excellent James Bond. He's good looking enough, he's suave enough, he's the right age and has the right accent, and he's a good actor. I don't like all this forced diversity but I'd honestly get excited to see Idris Elba play 007.
>>739201314 tell me then where is the problem ? in western world ? there are no women on top of politics ? there are no women presidents ? there are no women on top in male dominated sports? where is the problem ? who stop you from achieving basically anything beside one self incompetence who stop you from doing porn ? who stop you from going anywhere and doing anything? who stop you from getting pain millions from a movie or tv show role? explain pls
>>739201586 >Its like women want to be men Because men have acted as superior all along. Show a child what it wants and it will chase it, cry if it cannot reach it, hit you if you deny it. Your problem if you treat women as equal to men.
>You aren't sick of the "edgy alternative badass chick kickin' ass" meme yet? I'm not at all affected by it. So no, I see no reason why I should start with it.
>>739201855 >I'm not at all affected by it. So no, I see no reason why I should start with it. Pulling the "meh I don't EVEN care" card are we? No one is that "affected" by it, I think we are all just a bit over it and we are having a conversion about it.
Take two seconds to see how angry people got about Dr Who being a woman, how angry people got about Star Wars having female central leads in a third of its films, how angry people got about the new Star Trek being about a female first officer.
If people in the west were completely equal and no one had a problem with women, why the fuck would people get so buttmad about these things.
There are two women 'on top of politics' in the western world, and a few below them, but if you look at major cabinets all over theyre primarily male. Women's sports are regularly and sytematically promoted less than men's sports (unless they're sexy about it, like volleyball of course). There's consistently social assumptions such as 'women are bad at maths' and the like which dont actually bear out - unless you say it often enough that people doubt themselves. Roles in movies or tv shows for older women are far rarer than those for men - when you hit a certain age in hollywood, if youre a woman, you're probably done. Doesnt matter how good an actor you are, if youre not hot anymore then you're out on your ass unless you're one of a couple who 'luck out'.
At no point am I saying that women have it as bad in the first world as in shitholes like Africa or the Middle East. But just screaming HURRRRRRR BUT ITS WORSE OVER THERE STOP BITCHING doesnt solve anything now, does it.
>>739196837 God damn it, is it really that hard to just make a separate spy movie with a female lead? Do they have to take an iconic character and change it just because equality? Seriously this shit is getting out of hand
>>739202258 No I said I am not affected by it. Not that I don't care. I could've simply skiped this thread as I do with so many others. So I have a little bit of care, maybe. But I am not affected by it. I don't watch movies at all, the music I hear I don't care who made it. And how another one acts is none of my business.
What I am interested in is what makes you so agitated about this? Do you participate in arguments because you want to change something? This whole female activism has exploded only recently and already you are "just a bit over it"? Why don't you let em do whatever they like. They'll run out of steam eventualy. Especially of nobody pays attention.
>>739196837 It's fine to be proud of being gay or black or other dark skinned closed eyes peeps. But if you say you're proud to be straight, a man or white then people immediately assume you're a hateful person.
White people, the only race you people can openly discriminate against.
A black James Bond would be fine, like honestly, don't be so scared guys, what the hell would change. James Bond has never really addressed James being a white dude in any thematic sense. It's about adventure and excitement and being awesome. Idris Elba is the most James Bond-like person in film I can think of right now. Seriously, watch any interview with him, his a fucking living Rolex commercial.
Female James on the other hand is just strange... James has always been aware of being an old-school conservative womanizing dick head, and that's such a large part of his character that taking that part out would be jarring. But keep in mind this is only jarring if they try to make a "female version" of James. They need to make an entirely new character from scratch to land this one. And trust me, they are very aware of this... and if they aren't, everyone is going to hate it. I imagine that one of the reasons people want to change some characters from male lead to female lead (Star Wars, etc) is because these movies are already giant vehicles with infinite funding, and starting all over with a new franchise and a new interesting female lead is practically impossible in Hollywood. These big budget films have an opportunity to sort of kick-start female leads with an enormous amount of good will and cash before they even start production. I don't really agree that this is the way to do it, but I'm willing to see where it goes.
Oh, and as for female Doctor - come on, that's awesome. It plays right into The Doctor's character (and the show as a whole) as an unpredictable and mystical and off-putting entity. Having female Doctor go off on some strange alien bi-curious future-sex adventures is Doctor Who gold. Everything doesn't have to be about that, but you know what I'm saying.
And to anyone saying this is 'marxisms' fault and 'leftists' fault or that someone is out to get you or whatever - please, you give yourselves waaay too much credit.
>>739202505 maybe people get mad because star wars was kinda meh and she was didnt fit the role and was medicore at it? no one is mad about Padme or Princess Leia. Cast a good Bastila Shan and i guarantee you no one will get mad. Its a bad casting choice nothing to do with feminism. And its a fucking roles if role is writen for 17y old teen boy how can you expect a 40y old woman to play it ? because Charlize Theron dosent 4-5 roles in a year because Amy Adams dosent get roles in big movies regular because Cameron Diaz have no work either what about Cate Blanchett, Gwyneth Paltrow, Jennifer Aniston Jodie Foster and i can go on forever Marisa Tomei Nicole Kidman all of them are job less and not getting paid millions for a single movie
>>739204187 I love it when people use Star Wars as an example of women and blacks leading films. That film was going to make bank regardless of what was in it. I like you, anon, although I disagree with you on Bastila, fuck that snarky bitch, give me Kreia
>>739204187 >>739202505 The problem is that some people are mad that it's a female lead (just look through this thread of assholes) and some are mad because it's a contrived, forced and incredibly safe choice of character and actor. Some are happy purely for it's PC-points and some are happy because they genuinely like the character (I'm not one of them). You kinda have to agree about what you're talking about before you can reach any sort of insightful argument.
Hey let's make a spin off with a female protagonist! Actually nah lol fuck that let's just steal and replace an already existing concept BECAUSE WOMAN ARE TOO STUPID TO CREATE ORIGIONAL THOUGHTS AND CONCEPTS
>>739204931 I don't bloody know, I'm just pretty sure Moffat changed original canon to allow this. I'm not overly bothered by it anyway, I stopped watching years ago and the downfall hasn't stopped since.
>>739204376 i didnt go there because i never watched doctor who or the latest star trek stuff
they dont get it people get mad because they want to see they favorite character from book or comics how they are originally done if they are white they want a white male/female to play it to be closer to the original as possible
>>739204818 >>739204931 >>739205080 Also there was a female officer in the timecard army who got shot and turned male. He commented on it being an interesting experience to go back to being male after being female once. So it might me Moffats work, but it certainly is canon.
>>739204196 I find it cringy when women act like men. I also find it cringy when men act like women. Maybe I'm just getting old and bitter >tfw not even 25 yet >feel like some old cunt >not understanding this shit anymore
>>739205508 Well I'm not really against the idea of a female Doctor, it's their reasons behind making it so that kind of annoys me. All this glass ceiling, men=sexism shit is aggravating. I mean the Doctor is a mostly nonviolent, extremely amiable power fantasy, I could imagine several male and female actors who would be able to pull that off.
>>739205003 Sure, but no one is breaking or fixing anything. It's just new stories being told. I was playing Last of Us the other day and was thinking "Shit, when is the last time a video game helped made me understand how a father/daughter relationship works" These are all just new stories we haven't heard before that we hopefully are pretty excited to watch unfold. Nothing broke, nothing fixed, just new stuff. And I think we'd be missing out if we don't give it a shot. I realise this is probably a different discussion. Like why not pick a different franchise where the gender of the lead isn't so specific, blah blah (but then you of course have something like Dr Who which I believe just makes Who even more awesome), but I hope you get the gist of what I'm trying to say.
>>739205949 James Bond is a white, black haired man. Making him a woman, or black or whatever is fixing that which isn't broken. People were *pissed* when Craig was first announced because he was blonde.
>>739199091 When I was a kid some of my biggest heroes/role models were women.
[spoiler]When I got to 4chan in my teens I realised I would like to be able to swap between a female body and a male body at will, at this point I'm pretty sure I'd be taking an X-Change X-Tra Strengh every other month if it were real. Fuck gender identity though, that's made up bullshit[/spolier]
>>739206292 But he's blonde in the original book, dude. See what I'm saying? It's being pissed at change that was already there. Is it a speech saying "I want it the way it was"? Or is it a dance saying "Look! It's something new!"
>>739206349 It's even worse when you try to tell people that what you care about is good characters and not about their race, gender or religion. That somehow gets translated into "well then, you're just a bigot for not liking this character whose personality is only and literally based on having a specific trait or political position".
>>739206668 In the novels (notably From Russia, with Love), Bond's physical description has generally been consistent: slim build; a three-inch long, thin vertical scar on his right cheek; blue-grey eyes; a "cruel" mouth; short, black hair, a comma of which falls on his forehead. Physically he is described as 183 centimetres (6 feet) in height and 76 kilograms (168 lb) in weight. After Casino Royale, Bond also had the faint scar of the Russian cyrillic letter "Ш" (SH) (for Shpion: "Spy") on the back of one of his hands, carved by a SMERSH agent.
Thanks, Wikipedia. The main factor is, Bond is a man.
>>739206681 Yeah, but he didn't run on the notion of "Elect me, I'm male". Hillary did say "vote for me, I'm female" though. >>739206574 I remember thinking April O'neil was a really cool character, who could hold her own. Basically as a kid, I got attracted to strong in charge characters, their gender was really secondary to me.
>>739206141 >>739206296 But just try to imagine how sci-fi that actually is. Hideo Kojima wrote in his notes for MGS2 that he was predicting a time where females would be taking care of males. And he then proceeds to completely fuck with that notion throughout the story. For some reason that just sounds like a perfect Black Mirror episode to me.
>>739207044 Well that does sound like a good story to me. I would totally watch that, it's when they just gender swap and provide mediocre/bad stories to go with it that I call shenanigans. It is also a problem that when I criticize the new character version for being poorly written and formulaic, I get called a bigot for it.
>>739199963 I'm a conservative and I'll tell you this. You have to be the saddest drone I've ever seen in my days on the internet. You literally have somehow distilled propaganda and refined it into pure autism.
either that or you're a low grade memelord. Either of which is shit.
>>739206574 >>739207022 Fuck, I remember thinking Leia was so fucking cool when I was like 8. Even when she was wearing that slave outfit she wore it with a kind of disdain, like you couldn't hold her down, and very fittingly, she begins strangling her captor with the chain that's binding her. So awesome, though.
>>739207550 That is a great little arc within the film, I agree. The whole notion of "She's basically a slave and can't choose what to wear" and then moving on to her killing Jabba with her chains. That is basically a subtle nod to "sexism/slavery is wrong" and then turning that situation into a power fantasy.
>>739206764 The thing is that religion or whatever can be a very strong and important and giving part of a character, but being predispositioned to liking a character for his/hers superficial traits (yes - superficial) is completely undermining the whole point of what a character is in a broder sense. Liking a character for being hot is just as retarded as liking a character for being black. I kinda went off on a tantrum there, I realise only complete loons think that.
>>739196837 This is a important part of the article that comes from a very reputable, literally who, source. This is keemstar quality bait here buddy, stop drinking the MK-ultra flavored koolaid and come out of the bunker because I gotta tell ya something bud. The planet COULD be taken over by dolphins, Humans COULD become flying bird people you COULD not jump at the latest chance to stir up a pot of triggered tears.
Lots of things COULD happen, will any of these happen? More than likely not pal.
>>739196837 I don't get why they need to change characters... make whole new show. Nobody is complaining that can't be a good female spy movie, but not a Janine Bond. 007 normally seduces a woman... when the Janine Bond does (to a man, I supose), this will be seen as Janine Bond being a slut, and will receive slut-shamming.
Will completely backfire.
You can't change basic characteristics of the character. It's like seeing Dragon Ball Evolution or Ghost Busters all over again.
Next thing: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles played by 4 ducks and their master the starfish. Same level of dumbness.
>>739207979 A character having religion or being of another race or gender than me is fine, it can add some very good story telling to the mix. It's when the religion or superficial trait is used to create a Mary Sue who can't be criticized that bothers me. >>739208060 Ripley blew my mind as a kid, she was so badass. I didn't even notice that was attractive before re-watching the movie when I got older.
it would be fine for me if: >she's lesbian womanizer >dont fistfight people just shoot them dirty >crash the car b4 leaving Q like after 10 sec testdriving >enemy is a women too >it's a porn parodie thats cutted for 12 year olds >uncut version releases with russia hardcoded subtextes
>>739196837 You can make the Doctor a woman easy, but you can't make Bond a woman. It will never work. Hollywood should just make another spy movie with a female lead. Simple, right? The problem with a female Bond is you loose everyone who wants to go see a Bond film. Bond is a male archetype. Men watch Bond because they want to be him. Women watch Bond because they want to bone him. SJWs talk about "cultural appropriation", but when it comes to appropriating white, male culture it's fine. Go have an original idea, chucklefucks.
>>739207307 And you're totally right about that and I get that as well and it's bullshit. I'm afraid PC has become a good-will scam for hack creators. "You can't say it's bad if it's diverse" It'll be Passion of the Christ all over again. But there is a lot of potential for some reeeally cool insightful stories to be told if we can separate the shit from the gold. And I honestly think the audience are smart enough to do so. On a different note, one thing that has bothered me that no one really seems to talk about is how people from opposite genders can be really good at writing stories about each other. Hemingway wrote some amazing stories about fucking RAPE and Mad Men is writing by a lot of guys and that show is probably the strongest depiction of struggling women in newer time.
>>739208836 It's the whole idea of "Only a person of a specific demographic, can write a good story about a character from that demographic" which is patently bullshit. Heck Buffy was written by a man and has been lauded for being a well written female power fantasy.
>>739207734 And it's a classic example of how to use someones gender and oppression of that gender to tell something really cool while still making it feel like a movie, and an actual living breathing world and not a college application flyer
>>739209190 Exactly. Of course this doesn't mean there shouldn't be more women on wall-street or whatever, it's just that as of right now I think we give our opposite sexes way to little credit as empathetic writers and creators.
>>739209635 Personally I think there are as many women on wall street and in high demands high paying jobs as there are women who want to be there right now. It's about letting people get whatever education interests them and making sure no one is rejected based on superficial traits, which we have laws to prevent. The only way I'd advocate for more women in anything is if they actually want to be there and have the skills, but somehow gets stopped by some stupid institutional thing. If there is nothing to stop them but their own level of ambition, I'd posit that there is exactly the right amount of women in whatever careers we talk about if that number corresponds with the amount of individuals who have the drive to be there.
>>739209798 And this is what bothered me about the new Star Wars movies. They seem to think that in order for the lead to be "empowering" the character needs to be a perfect human specimen with no faults or bad days and never fails at anything ever. But that sucks, it feels like watching a self-help guide and not real people that grow and learn n shit.
I guess you can separate the argument into two parts:
1 - POLITCALLY, of course it's nice to see more women on screen and behind the screen and in new roles and not always twisting their ankles and whatever, and if you don't think so, then you're probably a bit of knob, I mean, come on.
2 - CREATIVILY, it's counter productive to hand these new female leads off as just product placement for a feminist political cause. Fucking make a believable character with real flaws and dreams. That's the whole point, to introduce voices in cinema that haven't been heard before and making me feel and understand something I didn't even know existed. But if you just stick a pair of tits on a useless character then don't even bother.
>>739210273 And I would totally agree. I think over time it will naturally adjust to an approximately 50/50 rate both in nursing and business school. But creating a levelled playing field (and this is gonna get very political) might also means making some changes, like free education for everyone in the US (when talking about the wall-street analogy) Some people would still argue that there's a permanent imbalance now that needs to be adjusted. Like say you're dad was some big business douchebag and of course he hands his company of to his son or his nephew and grooms him all his life to be exactly like him. The argument is that this dude in some position of power is (knowingly or unknowingly) creating a closed system where this giant pool of resources is being controlled only be people who protect the interests of people who are exactly like him. And I wouldn't necessarily disagree with them, it's just that I believe the problem is solved in a very different way than just forcibly placing Lady McBusiness in his stead. This also somewhat applies the other way around if your mom was a low income nurse.
we rather watch stuff at home with a monster tv screens and not have to deal with niggers hooting and hollering the whole time. women are the only reason to go out so if it for them may as well be something they wanna see. next time I go I'm going to wear this sandwich broad.
>Why does Hollywood keep on getting rid of white men from their movies?
because some board of directors asked themselves "what do we do for more profit? what can we do that will garner interest and raise stock prices?" and determined that female leads is where the future was heading and the answer to their questions.
the male perspective is boring. its old. its used up. its dominated everything for the last few thousand years. its superficial. less adversity to overcome than female/PoC perspective.
all these wonderful story franchises, continuing the worn out formulas without caring about challenging the audience is an insult to artistic integrity imo.
Because they're very, very, very uninventive people. They're struggling to come up with new ideas that are still fomulaic. So instead they'll just repeat a format you've seen in another show or movie and lay it over the top of a different one you already know.
>>739212344 Any business man worth his salt would choose the best candidate for the job though. I live in a country with tax payed education and the numbers of women in coo positions isn't too different. The ones who really want to be there are there and they're a minority, but not because they are told they can't be there.
>>739213620 Yeahh, but you take a look at a lunatic like Sheldon Adelson and tell me he's gonna pick a super qualified young go-getting up-n-comer business lady as a successor. That dude is probably gonna build a pyramid and bury himself with all his cash, so I guess my argument's invalid anyway
>>739214591 Get what you're saying, but if your company is worth more than the country it's based in, then the situation becomes increasingly more complicated. The super rich can't really go broke anymore. Like, it's a statistical impossibility.
>>739215008 Meh, their board of directors will make sure they don't break the law or hire complete idiots. And once the founder dies, they get to decide who gets to run the place, if the fittest person is female, they will choose her.
>>739196837 Let's be honest with ourselves, every Bond movie after Goldeneye was fucking garbage. Daniel Craig has play the most pansy fucking Bond ever. When he said "any armor I had, you've stripped away" in Casino Royale was the exact moment when the Bond franchise we knew and love officially died.
>>739215651 I'm a bit embarrassed to admit this, but I actually rejected the Daniel Craig bond movies based on him being blonde in the movies. For some reason that was enough for me to go "yeah no, I've got other stuff to do".
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