Is life really meaningless?

no, it is just fanta sea!

>>739140328
It will be if you want it to be

you've been conditioned from birth that an imaginary "meaning" needs to exist. This is not so

>>739140623
Then why have birth.

Why do we bring children into this world to eventually get depressed about the pointlessness of their being and fear their mortality. It's a malicious existence.

Life's meaning is a view from humans, independently. If you were not human, no, there would be no "meaning", because meaning wouldn't be a thing. With something like existence, meaning is obsolete, it doesn't apply. This isn't a bad thing, it just is. On a more basic level, for life to have meaning, you have to give it meaning. If you don't/can't, then it doesn't. It really doesn't have to, it doesn't for me, and I'm A-Okay with it.

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When describing life as "meaningless," are you implying that it's impossible to describe as a whole, or just without intent?

>>739141147
without intent.

>>739140923
On an esoteric level, this perpetuates the concept of life having meaning. On a biological level, this comes from our embedded drive to continue our species' existence.

>>739140328
I believe based on what we know about the universe as of yet that there is no great intent driving all of reality towards a willed goal.
All that is the universe is in motion, each particle bouncing off the next in a cascade of reactions which has brought us to this presently perceived day.
Also time is an illusion created by man to compare the movement of bodies in relation to each other.

>>739140328
Yes, but you can give it meaning, through effort and pain. Lift the heaviest burden you can carry.

Nihilism is a trap, my dudes.

>>739140328
There is no inherent meaning. That doesn't mean it can't have meaning for you. Read up on existentialism if you have more questions.

>>739140328
On a cosmic level yes, but you can give your life meaning through the things that make you happy and give you purpose

>>739141740
>equating scientific and spiritual knowledge.
>implying meaning has to be inherent, instead of built.
>thinking time is an illusion and not the 4th dimention.
14 yr old tier opinion.

>>739141740
You took the words from my mouth.
Fingers.

If life is bound by what we describe as the "passage of time," then the intent of life is to follow through to completion. To be born, to physically and spiritually exist, to assure that within the universe, and to die in that order.

>>739140328
Only if you choose so.
The only meaning to life is the one you give it.

>>739142032
>just assuming time exists because everyone thinks so
>not rewriting the gravitational equation in solely in terms of relative motion
>not realizing the approximation we see in the form of indeterminate ratios is a lie

>>739142740
Time exists, we know it because we experience it, you retard.

>>739140328
seems to be. there really isn't much reason to think there's some meaning to life let alone human life.

>>739142427
this

>>739142877
time doesn't exist though, it's not quantifiable. it only exists in relation to something else.

>>739142877
Shit, dude, all color is is our interpretation of the spectrum of light. You think that time must be only exactly as we perceive it?

>>739142877
can we really say we have experienced it?
what we have actually experienced as the passage of time is the relative motion of all bodies observed, the motion of the plant as it grows, the motion of the tree as it bears fruit, and the crumbling of brick as it's bonds give way to the impact of objects around it

>>739140328
>>739140617
Actually that the interesting thing about life; it can be meaningless but really it has whatever meaning you give it, you can be or do whatever you want

death is the same as how we were before we were born just nothing i think. sadly so make the most of it have a bunch of kids and live like every day is your last

>>739140328
Living is useless
Life's purpose is consumption.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de2grEPn7rg
i hope you like rick and morty

>>739140328
>s just fanta

ah shit, I think I'm the first guy on the left by now.

>>739143005
Time is a funny concept, and you have a point but if time wasn't a thing then nothing would exist, no particle would ever be able to change its form.. We couldn't have come into being or process information without the passage of time

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>>739140328
you are supposed to reproduce and/or care for the offspring. that is the meaning of life.

>>739140923
>Then why have birth.

Well, life is compelling, isn't it? That's the meaning. Life can have whatever meaning you find meaningful. Does it have some larger purpose beyond yourself? Maybe. But you don't necessarily know it. I suggest finding meaning in your own life before trying to figure out the "purpose" of all life. Also keep in mind that biological purpose is not the same as personal purpose . Bilogical purpose is to survive and reproduce. But that doesn't have to be your personal purpose.... although these things are often related to personal purpose in some way.

>>739141800
he might be into traps though

>>739140328

Life is what you make it out to be.

>>739140617
>>739144375
>existentialist trash
pls

>>739146438
>nihilistic trash
pls

>>739140328
If you want it to be.
Everyone is the protagonist of their own story.

Son, it's faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, and more money.

>>739146565
that's not what I said fagget. if you don't believe in God you are going to hell.

Oh but wait.. you are a fagget.. looks like you are already going there.

>>739141633
> to continue our species' existence.
this 'drive to save the species' does not exist. the main drive is 'pass your own genes and stay fed in order to do so'

>>739140328
https://youtu.be/YMoPUwNK0fQ

>>739143130
We can really say we've experienced it, and to that extent it exists.

I don't know why you would try to use motion to explain anything about time not existing though. Just use wikipedia!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unreality_of_Time

>>739146726
>if you don't believe in God you are going to hell.
And you're going to Hades. Or Hel. Or any countless number of afterlife concepts that weren't positive or neutral.
Take your pick, really.

the term meaning is a human invention, trying to say that something has a purpose that is inanimate is kinda meaningless

The very meaninglessness of life forces a man to create his own meaning. Children begin life with an untarnished sense of wonder, a capacity to experience total joy at something as simple as the greenness of a leaf; but as they grow older, the awareness of death and decay begins to impinge on their consciousness and subtly erode their joie de vivre, their idealism - and their assumption of immortality.

As a child matures, he sees death and pain everywhere about him, and begins to lose faith in the ultimate goodness of man. But if he’s reasonably strong - and lucky - he can emerge from this twilight of the soul into a rebirth of life’s élan.

Both because of and in spite of his awareness of the meaninglessness of life, he can forge a fresh sense of purpose and affirmation. He may not recapture the same pure sense of wonder he was born with, but he can shape something far more enduring and sustaining.

The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent; but if we can come to terms with this indifference and accept the challenges of life within the boundaries of death - however mutable man may be able to make them - our existence as a species can have genuine meaning and fulfilment. However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light.

>>739146726
>God

there is zero proof of this thing existing

From the current view point of humans life is meaningless but we don't have a very deep understanding of the universe and our knowledge on life is very patchy. Just a reminder that if you're are thinking of suicide you could be that dickhead that kills himself the day before Humans discover something that makes life meaningful.

>>739147194
>God
>proof
guess what bro, you just played yourself
>>739146999
nice trips but they won't save you from your fate. serious bro you better start believing in something or else it might get bad for you

>>739147346
This is really poor trolling, but apparently I'm biting.

In order to avoid it getting bad for him, what should he start believing in?

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>>739147346
You too, bud. Good luck on picking the right one!

In a billion years, you think any of this shit is going to matter? Or that anything will be left alive here? Or that this is the first time life has sprung up in the universe?

What meaning is there if everything dies and life as we know it will eventually go extinct when our sun expands?

>>739147501
that's what people don't realize that the main trick is just having "faith". God can be what you imagine him/her/it to be.. doesn't have to be some old man with a staff and white beard father of Jesus (hobo jew)

I am not saying to take the bible literally and I am not saying to completely disregard what it has to say. It was written by men but the morals and ethics and codes in the book are sound, save for some that have been updated over the years.. (who cares if I eat fish and meat on sunday?)...

if you see things in society or on tv/movies and you think wow that is really fucked up or "degenerate" that is literally created by people who are trying to rip society apart and create biblical prophecy see: israel

>>739147686
You're being arbitrary, here.

What meaning is there even if everything doesn't die and life as we know it will not eventually go extinct when our sun doesn't expand?

>>739147825
You God can be whatever you want it to be, but in the same breath you basically assume we're talking about the god of the bible.

Which is all beside the point that you did not answer the question. What should he start believing in?

And if your answer to that question is God (something which can be whatever I desire it to be), then it's not an answer at all. When you make something subjective to that extent, you've annihilated all meaning from it.

>>739147825
faith is antiquated
just like circumcisions
appendectomy

>>739140328
Yours is

>>739147530
>a chart on the internet says it so it must be true!
protestants are really just people who have lost their way over time. Catholics + Muslims make up roughly 3b people or half of the world that are following the same religion with minimal differences... the others are Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Daoists and other Chinese basically

kikes are rats of course

>>739147111
Thats..quite right anon,good job.also ,nice trips.

>>739148058
no I've read the Tao te Ching and dabbled in Buddhist texts the dhammapada, baghavad gita etc.

ancient reincarnation.. dao "the way".. that which comes from the source. that is God, if you want it to be.

>>739146953
all time is only the observation of motion through space

>>739148142
>a chart on the internet says it so it must be true!
>implying: a chart on the internet says it so it is not necessarily true!
>however: internet content is not necessarily true or false based solely on the fact that it is internet content.

Also, the chart doesn't really lead to any conclusion on its own. It seems to just be a collection of religions and their tenets. It very well might be true.

>>739147346
>or else it might
im comfortable with those odds

>>739141137
Agreed

>>739148389
no it's actually really convoluted and hard to read. it also makes assumptions that the author of said chart is most likely not an authority on all of those religions

also kys

>>739148142
>kikes are rats of course
then jesus was a rat
by your own standards, you're going to hell

>>739148251
Again. If God can be what I want it to be, then it is no god in any meaningful way.

And especially if my decision about the nature of God is prescriptive, then it is not almighty.

>>739148298
Even if I grant you that, why would you use it to describe time not existing?

If that's all time is, then all you've done is describe it. That's useless at best, right?

>>739148522
no... you see Jesus rejected jews and started a whole religion.. a true religion if you will. so maybe get your facts straight before you rebuttal, champ
>>739148528
no God is almighty
your perspective is different from mine because that is simple human nature which is flawed.. unlike the nature of God. God is this and that.

>>739148142
>protestants are really just people who have lost their way over time.
>an anon on the internet says it so it must be true!
See how that works? Also:

>christians/muslims are really just people who have lost their way over time.
>monotheistic religions are really just people who have lost their way over time.
>organized religions are really just people who have lost their way over time.

>implying you're the sole fucking arbiter of valid religions

Don't bring that weak sauce up in here, the grown-ups are talking. Isn't it past your bedtime, anyways?

>>739148515
Being convoluted and hard to read say nothing of its truth value.

Also what does this have to do with your fallacies?

>>739148776
nice memes.. I bet they would love them on reddit.

>>739148872
you are like those people who thought that Bernie was going to win.. apparently anything on the internet wins you over with minimal cognitive effort on your part

>>739148654
So human nature is flawed? Then we can't use it to know God? And if we can't do that, then why should someone believe in one?

>>739148879
>can't rebut
>OH NO BETTER THINK OF A WITTY COMEBACK!
I'm not mad, son. Just disappointed. As retorts go, that's maybe a 1/10, and I'm being generous.

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>>739140328
God fucking damn it... no.

What is it with you depressed fags and mulling over these nonsensical existential questions. Literally, you really think that just because you're floating around in this vast cosmos, life is pointless? No one fucking knows, but it is in our best interest to keep it around in order for us to find out. And maybe even cherish the fact we even get to experience the beauty that the universe has to offer. The collections of cosmic dust, stars, gases, life. You won't gain anything from what I'm saying, which is shocking to me. You are a blimp in time, yet you find enough to lose interest in the very thing which renders you remotely relevant. Life. Meaningless? Who knows? Why do you even care? Just invent yourself and be happy that your eyes and ears can soak it all in.

>>739148922
Not only ad hominem, but completely off topic. GG anon.

>>739148984
>So human nature is flawed?
yes
>Then we can't use it to know God?
God does not want to know you. You want to know God.


>then why should someone believe in one?
what else do you have? memes and porn? you'll come back, I'll be here. So will God, unless you really fucked up idk

>>739148872
>convoluted and hard to read
Did you not put your glasses on, or do you ride the short bus to school? It's not that fucking difficult to read, nor is it convoluted.
>author wasn't an authority on those religions
Oh, and Pascal was a fucking ordained minister of the church, hmm?

>>739149064
no it spoke to your character and thought process. you don't belong here
>>739149000
you think my comeback is witty? thanks

>>739149169
you are probably replying to the wrong person, newb

It is OP,
Without material, we are nothing
Without meaning, we are possible to all

>>739140328
Yes, but it's more fun when you convince yourself that it's not.

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>>739149138
God is a hallucination, manifested through centuries of force-fed delusion. Or not. I can't be 100% certain, and neither can you. But I can say with a 98% assurance that God is not real.

>>739149250
Ehh. It's midnight and I'm on a mobile app because I'm laying in bed. Sue me.

>>739140328
Yes!

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an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient (OOO) being is a logical paradox, it contradicts its self too much to possibly exist.
that would leave only the possibility of a diety that can be either omnipotent, omnipresent, or omniscient. a being that did not originate on earth that is advanced enough to seem omnipotent, omnipresent, or omniscient, is by definition an alien. with the logical options being to worship a logical fallacy, or an advanced alien being, i choose neither.

>>739149138
It doesn't matter if I want to know "3+3=6". If my perception is sufficiently flawed, I don't get the right answer, right?

And while we're on the topic, how do we tell which one of us is flawed?

The reason for believing in something cannot rationally be "what else do you have?" That's ridiculous.

not if you solve this http://worldshardestpuzzle.000webhostapp.com/

Its the most meaningless thing ever, so do as you please with it

>>739149331
>But I can say with a 98% assurance that God is not real.
I would argue you need to get out more. See more people, hear more languages, read more philosophy, see more landscapes

....you think that happened... by ACCIDENT?!? lmao pfftttttttttttttttttt

>>739141740
fucking kys retard
195 iq

>>739149424
>cause and effect/chance = pure accident
You just blow in from stupid town?

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>>739142032

>>739149364
I don't understand your logic. Math is math and it has rules and principals which expand into greater formulas and proofs and all that stuff

3+3 always equals 6... that is symbolism that both of us understand. anything other conclusion is user error by us. God is not concerned with math btw

I really hope it is all meaningless. I'd hate to think I was fucking up something really important.

>>739149499
what caused the big bang? other than God. but what is your goofy ass answer.

>inb4 cyclical universe
that's just more proof of God and his infinite nature

>>739149652
Lol no
if that so why did god created the universe? was he bored or something?

>>739149652
what created god?
oh yeah
"he alwuys sexistedd"

>>739149579
Red Herring.

Address the human nature bullshit or gtfo, my dude. You can't rationally hold all these positions. You're like that internet guy with the limes.

>>739149579
>3+3 always equals 6.
except with large values of 3

>>739140328

Objectivity, yes

Subjectively, no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvMoRVrqx_I

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>>739140328
I believe that even on a most fundamental level, no one can give existence meaning. My main issue with religious people is that even if God exists, he can't give your yours meaning. No one is that powerful. If here were... Well, we would have reasons to really worry.

>>739149729
that's what infinite omnipotence implies anon.. yes congratz
>>739149713
maybe. why don't you ask him?
>>739149761
why not? Humans are flawed.. God is not. why would God create billions of equals? that's silly

as for proving Human flaw exists? seriously?
>>739149788
don't move the goal posts. if we both agree 3 is 3 than that is what it is.

>>739149652
God has always been an explanation for something we cannot explain. The lazy person's excuse to not investigate. God implies a lack of control because he is "All knowing, seeing, and powerful." Everywhere you look, something new pops up that we can't explain yet, and until we do, people will say it must be God. Because that's the easy route to take.

>>739149359
My mom passed a month and a day ago suddenly. Your pic just hit me right in the feels. Like a .30 caliber bullet through a deer

>>739149942
>Because that's the easy route to take.
>>*Because that's the correct route to take.

there you go

>>739140328
If your on /b/,it's less than meaningless.

>>739149652
>implying there's any possible way to prove with evidence anything previous to a point in time where all the matter in the universe was contained within a single point in space
Your assertion of God is equally as baseless as any other assertion of what could have come before. There's 0 way of proving that bar time travel.
Asking me for an answer without proof just proves you don't understand science. Baseless hypotheses are worthless and without merit.

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>>739149898
"If people looked at the stars each night, I'd bet that they'd live considerably more different -- once you look into infinity, you get a good sense of how small things really are." Our sun. Our home planet, Earth. You. People often look at these elements of the universe, and somehow it makes them feel insignificant. I wish people would consider this life thing to be more valuable. More valuable than the time which limits its experience. We know so little of the universe, but one thing is certain - it is undeniably beautiful. Isn't the ability to just experience this more profound than the black hole at the center of our own galaxy? More profound than the largest galaxy in the universe? More profound than the cosmos itself? We are all beautiful arrangements of dust and gas, occupying space and time, making choices, falling in love, reading, writing, thinking, stealing, murdering, betraying. With beauty, something must be ugly. For without ugliness, the beautiful parts of life would become dull. Unenthralling. And that, in itself, is beautiful in its own way. A strange, but beautiful way. I would never try to do something ugly to this planet or anyone trying to experience life, but ugliness is necessary to make something beautiful, beautiful. We may need to remember that from time to time. To encourage us to not dwell on the little things. To truly admire ourselves, our insignificance, and our significance.

>>739149003
You must be one of those people that goes crazy when someone does a card trick.

>>739149359
I find it interesting that you think a working paradox is impossible to exist. I posit that anything remotely resembling an answer is impossible. Because if you stand by and say this just isn't possible, then that would mean you know enough about outside our actual universe to be able to say that with conviction. At which point you have proven yourself so smart, that teleportation, cold fusion, and a working model of a food maker that turns garbage into a steak dinner by rearranging the atoms themselves will be forthcoming from the labs you're set up with after proving that a working paradox isn't possible. I await with bated breath anon.

>>739149941
>implying that omnipotence is possible

besides which god are we talking about?

>>739150039
that same event that you so cutely call "the big bang" I call God. why is that so hard?
>>739150082
there is only one God. many languages describe "his" nature but there is only one

>>739149941
You said that our perspectives differed because human nature is flawed.

This implies that human nature (and its necessary imperfection) cause people to have incorrect perspectives.

So which of us has the correct perspective? How do we tell?

When you decide God exists, how are you certain that you are not the person with the flawed perception?

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Meaning suggests destiny. We have to make our own.

Even in a world where some sort of meaning existed at the start, would everyone be happy? The religious types blatantly deny that people would all embrace and enjoy fate, since they believe all people inherently know that their god is the real one, but choose to disobey it, just for stubbornness' sake I guess. In other words, no matter the outcome, people are chaotic and stupid, and all will follow their own paths, worn and beaten by those who came before, or pioneered by themselves. Live, and let that be your meaning.

>>739150156
Because you attribute intent to your "God".
The Big Bang was caused by something and in turn caused other things.
EVERYTHING is cause and effect.

>>739149994
>shit bait but I like shit
"Look, the ocean is really crazy today. I guess Posseidon is angry..."
"The Nile has turned red, it must be blood and God is punishing us for our lack of faith."

>>739150156
Despite the fact that there are religions with hundreds of gods... what makes your's special? or even real?

>>739150047
Feeble human concepts. Beauty or otherwise, they're just words without meaning.

>>739140328
I guess the best way to answer your post is with a question... "What is meaning?"

>>739150082
>Appreciating Life = Magic Obsession
k

>>739150276
have you studied all these religions? because they usually have a common theme which there is a supreme God and the rest our minor deities and not on the same level.. so they are not all the same
>>739150237
Yeah God caused the big bang.. the first event we cant theorize or hope to measure.

by the way is the universe expanding or contracting?

>>739140328
for me life is about learning and doing the fuck you want(being happy) in all senses, i dont hope for a particular "meaning" because at the end of the day i can focus on learning new shit and be happy doing stupid, normie, weird, and smart things, even if life did had a meaning besides reproduction i'm pretty sure i wouldn't give a damn and still do what i want

>>739147825
Ethics codes and morals are sound? Rape...murder...incest...on a massive scale...it's all bollocks

>>739150421
>Yeah God caused the big bang.. the first event we cant theorize or hope to measure.
>can't theorize or hope to measure
>definite answer
Asinine assertion is asinine.

>>739150421
But they're gods... so there's no one and only besides what about those religions where the "supreme one" is defeated by the minor ones?

There is evidence that the Judeo Christian God is real. But you have to at least suspend both belief and unbelief to even consider it. Come at it comes perspective that if there is a God out there, surely He would leave something, even something small, that doesn't directly point to Him. Then again in the Old Testament, it didn't require blind faith in Him. He had a different system set up. Whereas in the New Testament, that's more faith based.

>>739150481
you're just reading it out of context, bro
>>739150504
that was a typo I actually meant "can" note the lack of apostrophe

>>739150578
you are talking about Greek paganism which is really just heresy or farytale so.... what do you want from me?

>>739150596
Except you're backpedaling and wrong.
We can't measure past The Big Bang without literally traveling through time. At best we can theorize, but it's all baseless, including your assertion.

>>739140328

Everything happening in your brain boils down to chemical reactions. You are nothing but a very, very, very complex set of chemicals and chemical reactions. The only difference between your brain and some vinegar reacting with baking soda is the number of chemicals reacting and what reactions are taking place.

Yes, life is meaningless.

>>739150366
>words without meaning
Does it make you feel special to claim a concept is feeble? It must, because that statement right there proves you are.

>>739150715
the big bang happened 14.6b years ago or whatever, no backpedaling fagget I can make a typo if I want.. I am not the one whose soul is in danger here remember that

>>739150766
You are really not a great troll, but I'm bored and drinking.

What is a soul and how do you know we have them?

>>739150686
At some point that so called fairytale was a religion, so what makes diferent yours? what guarantees you that your religion wont become another fairytale?

>>739150921
Thanks for picking it up, bro. I'll leave you to it. I'm probably just gonna crash soonish anyways. Enjoy.

>>739150921
>what is the soul?
you know how I am me and you are you? have you ever thought you were someone else? probably.. but you were always YOU, right? you've never once been me, or anyone else.. so you can be sure that you are you. That is the soul.
>>739150988
no.. at one point religion was actual fact like the guy they were writing about actually did that shit all the way back to eve they have a family tree an everything.
you get to be a little twat who calls them "farytales" and you belong on reddit

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>>739151134
>they wrote about real shit that totally happened hundreds of years after the fact in a time period BEFORE the one where we thought leeches cured disease
Seems legit.

>>739151134
So me appearing to continuously be myself is what it means to have a soul? Or is it that me being myself independent of my experience of being myself is what it means to have a soul? In the case of the latter, how could I know whether or not I was not myself independent of my experience? Or in the case of the former, it appears that having a soul is just synonymous with seeming to exist.

>>739150417
Sorry, meant to reply to>>739150074

>>739150076
>a working paradox
thats an oxymoron. a paradox by definition cannot work, it reults in an endless self contradictory feedback loop, that's what makes it a paradox. when one arrives at a paradox then you know your data is flawed or incomplete.

>>739150076
you think auto correct makes you seem smart, but your glaring ignorance of the subject is obvious. you have no argument, just assertions of pseudointellectual nonsense. provide a complete, sound, logical argument or shut up and let the adults converse.

>>739151943
>>739152286

As far as his post goes, he's not wrong. A paradox by definition just makes no logical sense, and for someone to go as far as to suggest what is impossible is technically (albeit uselessly) absurd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critique_of_Pure_Reason

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>>739140328
Ye

>>739146953
>>739148298
>>739148630
lol you guys talking science, here is a joke.
a man walks into a bar and tells Heisenberg that he is travelling at 10 mps, and hiesenberg says thanks no I have no idea where I am at

Prove God doesn't exist. There's the problem.
You can't prove something isn't there if it isn't there, like proving a vacuum is empty. You can only prove that everything else isn't there, and therefore conclude the space is empty.
Science has done this with God convincingly. Anyone who yet believes in God is either stupid or ignorant.