Why do American's allow this?

>>739122540
Confirmed 5 million in illegals voted as spurred on by Obama on live television. You're welcome.

>>739123007
Prove it

>>739122540
It's called the United STATES. Just about everything was decided state by state throughout history. There was literally a civil war over it. Mind your own business and stop talking about bullshit you know. It's set up like that so the more populated immoral nigger filled states don't always win.

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>>739122540
MFW You faggots love to make fun of things you actually don't understand it's hilarious. Ignorant fucks.

American's enjoy being ruled over.

>>739122540
>allow

please kindly inform me how we would go about disallowing this

Because we're not a democracy. That's just a fairy tail we tell kids so they think life is fair. It's like Santa Claus. It's just not true and if you believe it, you're either seven or retarded.

>>739125880

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

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>>739122540
Originally the electoral college was supposed to serve as a protection against unhinged populist demagogues.

It was actually this guy's idea.

>>739122540
>The last 3 elections the candidate who carried the most states won
Seems to me like the process is working.

>>739124105
>the Civil War
>forgetting the States attempting secession lost

>>739122540

Because the people that founded this country wanted full control of the election system in the case that the people decided to elect someone who went against the political and economic interests of the elite.

We don't necessarily allow it, as much as we can't change it, and the media acts as a mouthpiece for the government on both sides to keep public opinion from going down the route of abolishing the college because 'then the people in the cities will basically choose the President'. But honestly the only fair system is one person one vote popular wins OR splitting the electoral votes based on the percentage won per state to give a voice to those in traditionally red or blue states.

>>739126673

I wonder how he would react if he were alive today.

>>739126673
good thing that hasn't happened yet!

>>739123007
[citation needed]

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>>739127533
that's why democrats were calling for the electoral college to be abolished after trump won

>>739127746

You mean progressive democrats very briefly called for it. I haven't heard them talk about it in months now.

>>739127533
>He actually thinks a bunch of poor welfare city dwellers should control every election for the good of the other 45% of the working class country

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>>739128296
>doesn't know the majority of welfare recipients live in rural area in solidly red states

>>739128296
Top welfare states are literally all red:

Mississippi, 42.9% federal aid as percentage of general revenue
Louisiana, 41.9%
Tennessee, 39.5%
South Dakota, 39.0%
Missouri, 38.2%
Montana, 37.4%
Georgia, 37.3%
New Mexico, 36.6%
Alabama, 36.1%
Maine, 35.3%

>>739123007
Yes, they voted for Trump in their hatred of Obama...

>>739128296
Red states have highest:
-Opiod addiction
-Suicides
-Welfare
-Teen pregnancies

Red states are literal shitholes that not even their inhabitants can stand, so they all do heroin or off themselves.

>>739124390

So explain to us why your backwards-ass retarded electoral college system works the way it does

"Person got the most number of votes? WHO CARES LET'S MAKE THE OTHER PERSON PRESIDENT INSTEAD LOLOLOL"

Americans are as dumb as they are fat: VERY.

>>739128816
>teen pregnancies
I need to move to a red state and find me some fresh out of high school bitches then.

>>739122540
Wikipedia is a terrible source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaADQTeZRCY

>>739129017
Hope you like crystal meth.

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>>739124105
nice, well said.

>>739129003
>I'll take Republics for $500, Alex

kys

>>739129450
Provide counter-source or else you are just dodging.

because California and NY don't run the entire USA

>>739129690
>because empty space can vote

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>>739129690
AKA special snowflake rural weirdos need a handicap

>>739129485
Guess whom has historically gotten screwed over by the electoral college the most? I'll give you a hint, it's not the Democrats.

>>739125880
According to the framers Federalist papers, the purpose of devising the electoral college was a compromise to allowing common people to vote. Some still had British sensibilities towards disallowing Democratic elections, so the electoral college was supposed to be comprised of wealthy, educated, politically knowledgeable people, with the intent of preventing either a populist, or foreign (British) influenced candidate from bamboozling the populace into voting for him.

>>739128630
>Top welfare states
Yeah, California is 11% of the population and over 1/3 the welfare, but it's totally got less welfare because Mississippi has 42.9% of it's population on welfare! LOOK HOW BIG THAT NUMBER IS!, THE FACT THERE'S LESS PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE STATE THAN ON WELFARE IN CALIFORNIA MEANS NOTHING! FUCKING REPUBTARDS

>>739122540
Your ignorance of our system allows it.

Not the American people.

>>739130375
are you actually fucking retarded?

the electoral college favors more rural areas where the republicans are heavily in control

unless you're going to give me the party swap meme, in which case KYS

>>739122540
>American's
>'s
That kind of stupidity is why the United States is a Republic and not a Democracy.

Why, you might ask, since you are reading this and are part of the problem, OP? Because the masses are fucking stupid, that's why.

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>>739130375
Democrats 4 out of the 5 times it's happened.
The 1st time neither party existed.

>>739130878
>Being this angry about your own culture of gimmie gimmie and handouts

Just own up to it, sheesh

>>739129690
That depends on whether you think States matter, or people matter. One man one vote? Or 1.4 votes per Montana man, and .8 votes per Californian.

We live in a democracy. Get real.

>>739130771
this, the masses are stupid and can be easily bamboozled. Great word choice.

America is desperately trying not to become Europe. Besides, Europe is going to need us to free them from Muslim slavers. How else do you think it's going to play out? Europe has been systematically emasculated, now I know that many are trying to do the same here. The point is, the entire west will be better off if this does not happen to us. We're going to have to do a lot of killing, unfortunately, to free the west from the African/Asian invaders. It's like I always say, if you want to know what's going to happen regarding the "migrant crises", just look to how they live currently and historically. All those guns you all insist we don't need, that's going to be your freedom in the coming years, assuming we don't get taken over because of the current state of "Liberal" politics, or "The grand cucking" of the left.

All emasculated empires/kingdoms/societies fall. All great empires/kingdoms/societies that have fallen first were emasculated. It's a common theme in history.

Its best we keep at least one western power, powerful.

You're all welcome. Now fall in line.

>>739127596
He would probably want to be like. "AHH! THAT GUNSHOT FROM AARON BURR ACTUALLY SENT ME HUNDREDS OF YEARS INTO THE FUTURE! WHAT ARE THESE HORSELESS CARRIAGES AND METAL BIRDS IN THE SKY!?"

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>>739122540

nobody cared when obama lost the popular vote

>>739124105
>It's set up like that so the more populated immoral nigger filled states don't always win.
>gerrymandering is only necessary because NIGGERS

Sounds pretty fucking Republican, here.

>>739131165
>Being this brainwashed

I hope this schizophrenic prepper fantasy is worth it

>>739127737

obviously you have never been to california

>>739122540
I know what you mean. The way Hillary cheated Bernie out of the nomination doomed us all. That crooked bitch.

>>739131084
>Liberal areas have marginally lower percentages of welfare per area, but significantly higher actual numbers on welfare

>Republicans have marginally higher percentages on welfare per area but SIGNIFICANTLY less people on it.

"Muh republicans take all dem welfares u mad u mad"

k, boss

>>739131368
Obviously you tried, and failed, to find that citation.

>>739124105
We didn't fight the Civil War over the Popular Vote vs Electoral College...

>>739131467
Repubs also make up a smalller pop total, if they were a equal pop they would have more people on it. Just because they are a smaller pop doesn't make them not lazy shits.

>>739131484

didnt bother to look when i can simply go to the local home depot my nigga

>>739131108
>completely ignores the extreme size and variation in culture, resources, and economies across the GIANT country made up of states comparable to other countries on their own

>thinks 51% in 2 cities controlling 49% in the rest of it is a good idea

Full idiot.

>>739131151
Unfortunately, the framers failed. The electoral college is comprised of common men and women, so the purpose is defeated. Also, of they called for a new election, or elected someone else, the nation would have revolted, not realizing their while purpose from the very beginning was too prevent someone with 1) no experience and 2) was a populist and 3) was influenced by foreign powers (those things are SPECIFICALLY called out).

>>739131726
>Thinks his less popular opinions deserve a handicap

But why?

And do you also support affirmative action?

>>739131313
Actually, quite a number of (it's HER turn) Dems were extremely buttmad. And Republicans initially used this as a talking point considering what had happened with Bush/Gore in 2000.

>>739129003
The electoral college protects the votes of states like North Dakota from the votes of bloated nigger and spic filled states like California.
A board of people weigh general public opinion based on flat averages instead of raw majority.
Literally any retard can vote and that makes it so overpopulated areas get manipulated by corrupt politicians into making uninformed and thoughtless decisions. (Like with Hillary Clinton factually receiving money from the middle east going ignored by every liberal shithole in America)
People who actually need things a certain way in order survive their environment can easily be deprived of it by the worthless parasitic votes coming out of the overpopulated areas.

The electoral college gives more power to smaller states in the event of the current situation where the bloated states have nigger farms dedicated to breeding dumb voters who are easily manipulated into voting for whatever the TV tells them to.

Someone already explained how important states keeping their individual rights are to this country but you will always be too stupid to understand that while you flood your shithole country with angry and violent muslims that want you dead. You will also perish because you have been utterly stripped of all defense capabilities.

Stay jealous.
Stay mad.
Stay oppressed.
Stay retarded.

I'll be enjoying my guns and individual rights while you're slowly driven into slavery by the nicest politicians to ever love everyone.

Fuck you mods

>>739127596
Who let the niggers out?

>>739131941
How's dial-up, fag?

>>739131726
>forgetting Trump squeaked out an electoral vote with less than 1% in some places

>>739131906

i dont recall seeing a single thread on /b/ back then bitching about hillary getting screwed

Somehow my isp banned me from posting on pol. Love you mods that was a test

>>739132049
How's the taste of my cock, tea-drinker?

>>739132059
/b/ was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY less political in 2008

>>739131845
"In Federalist Paper No. 68, Hamilton expanded on what this meant for presidential elections. While “talents for low intrigue and the little arts of popularity” could win over a single state, a candidate would need “other talents and a different kind of merit” to win over the electors"

>>739123299

that fucking silence.

>>739131856
>Thinks 6 people should be able to vote to kill 4 people because "That's just democracy!"
>Thinks we have ever been a straight up democracy
>Thinks states rights aren't important

>>739132057
I literally didn't mention Trump. I also didn't vote for Trump.

>>739132200

well to be fair the paid shills werent around then i guess

>>739132161
Stay paranoid as your areas fall further and further behind globally, as you continue to suck on blue states teat for welfare money, as you continue to od on heroin and shotgun suicide, and your prepper fantasies never come true.

>>739132359
Dodging the question with ludacris example, do you support affirmative action? Why not give every minority opinion this same weighted voting?

>>739132359
>I literally didn't mention Trump.
Nice deflection.

>>739130878
but Mississippi has a more powerful % of the electoral college by percent of population. That's the entire point of the thread.

>>739122540
So we don't have a single county controlling the outcome of our nation's election.

>>739123299
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

ITT Liberals learned the US isn't a democracy.

>>739131322
Being this clueless. Sorry son, you've been emasculated. You're now blind.

I promise this will happen. All of this has happened before, all of this will happen again.

>>739131941
You talk about voters who are easily manipulated as if you're not one of them, but 90% of what you said is misinformed horseshit, and 10% is racism.

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>>739122540

>>739129003
Americans are stupid because libtards hijacked the school system.

>>739132711

alright guys only 4.2million more to go!

>>739132869
Because republicunts are too stupid to teach anything. 90% of them think the world is 6000 years old and that humans evolved from a magic rib lady, and 40% believe the sun revolves around the earth.

>>739132971
>>739132971

stay tuned the fun is just getting started newfriend

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/agenda-initial-meeting-07192017.pdf

>>739132030
Hamilton was vigorously Abolitionist especially for that era.

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>>739132711
>when Trumptards post fake news
https://fs.wp.odu.edu/jrichman/2017/01/27/i-do-not-support-the-washington-times-piece/

>>739132869
>No Child Left Behind program
>hold back the smartest so the dumbest can catch up
>everyone loses
>Bush

>>739133218

While liberals believe communism works, transsexualism isn't a mental illness, and the wage gap exists. We sure do live in a dumb world

>>739133487

thanks bush

>>739133656
I admit you may be right, but none of those things is dangerous to believe. Liberal idiocy is not as dangerous or destructive as conservative idiocy.

>but terrorists! Immigrants!

Ha. Lint is more dangerous, fucking cowards. Gun toting cowards.

>>739130878
There's lies, damned lies, and then there's statistics.
People use them to lie like they were taught by Lucifer himself, in order to make their arguments.
California has the most welfare recipients because they also have one of the largest populations, it's just a smaller percentage than say, Mississippi, because Cali is 13 times the population size of Mississippi.

>>739134181
Actually, if you wanted to put it into perspective and make the point without using hyperbole...
>Vending machines are more dangerous, fucking cowards. Gun toting cowards.

>>739134181
Guns aren't dangerous, liberal retard.
I have yet to hear of a gun going out on its own and raping people then killing them by itself.

>>739134181
Estimated slaves per country with Muslim majority population:
Indonesia 736,100
Pakistan 2,134,900
Bangladesh 1,531,300
Iran 495,300
Turkey 480,300
Egypt 572,900
Algeria 248,300
Morocco 219,700
Iraq 403,800
Sudan 454,700
Saudi Arabia 92,100
Afghanistan 367,600
Uzbekistan 1,236,600
Yemen 303,200
Syria 257,300
Malaysia 128,800
Niger 127,000
Somalia 121,900

We'll stop there. They all have slaves, still. They have always had slaves since the time of ancient Mesopotamia. Arabs were trading slaves 700 years before the Trans Atlantic Slave trade.

Iraq: 895 terror attacks on Muslims by other Muslims for the year 2016 alone.
Syria: 317 terror attacks for 2016
Yemen: 71 terror attacks for 2016
Somalia: 98 terror attacks for 2016
Libya: 59 terror attacks for 2016
Iran: only 3 for 2016 but they openly want to kill us, and don't forget the 495,300 slaves.
Sudan: only 4 for 2016 literally ruled by wanted war criminals, and don't forget the 454,700 slaves.

Islam majority = terror and or slavery. There's no denying it. Period. There is approximately 20+ million slaves in the Islamic world. There has been about approximately 300,000+ terrorist acts in the last 16 years in the Islamic world. All most all victims of terror are Muslims. We get the smallest amount of it. The more of them there are, the closer to their countries we become.

Stopping Islam from coming to the west, in particular America, the way it's rapidly being imported into Europe is more important than you're tiny ignorant brain can handle.

Of course, you couldn't be fucked to think for yourself. Instead opting for the easy narrative hand fed to you like the nonthinking lemming you seemingly are.

You're the fucking coward. You dare not think.

>>739122540
>Using Wikipedia as viable source of information
>2017

Wew lad, you've still got a long way to go

>>739134853
1) That's not what he said.
2) Accidental shootings are a thing.

>>739134917

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2017

more perspective

>>739134181

>Communism
>Responsible for low 21 million to a high of 70 million deaths
>but none of those things is dangerous to believe.

what a retard LOL

>>739134853
Did I say guns were dangerous? Or did I just call republicucks cowards who like carrying guns? Republican retard can't read.

Guns are far FAR more likely to be used against someone in the household than against an intruder, but not because they're dangerous. Guns are just fucking objects, dumbass.

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>>739134614
look an autist believes in god.

>>739135191
Don't worry /b/ro, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Just let the fags slowly drown in their own excrements.

>>739135191
Cool story.

Remind me, how many people has America killed again?

>>739135017
And they account for maybe 600 or so deaths a year, give or take.
Yes, oh so fucking dangerous. You can get 5 times that in car related deaths on a single holiday travel event.

>>739122540
>Cut off 80% of the graph so it makes the spread look more than it is

>>739135560
>still arguing this point to an empty room

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>>739135439
Reminder

>>739135439
irrelevant, it's nothing remotely approaching the commie statistics.

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>>739134917
You misunderstand me. I hate all religious people, including Muslims, and including for the reasons you stated. I don't approve of any religious immigrants, they believe in crazy shit, and have shit cultures. But Republicans overreacted to terrorism in the US by a big fucking margin.

I'm not afraid of terrorists, any more than car accidents because I'm rational.

>>739124105
>It's set up like that so the more populated immoral nigger filled states don't always win.
but the south lost you fucking autist.
and I'm pretty confident the Civil War was about not spliting a country, not about fucking states rights.

>>739135763
Honestly.

They've killed, I would say, maybe 1% of what the Japs did to the chinks during WW2

>>739135303
Like spewing that bullshit that was repudiated by pretty much every credible researcher regarding gun used against the house people, huh?
Figures, you're a dumb nigger liberal retard aren't ya?
https://www.gunowners.org/sk0701.htm
Here nigger if you can read multi-syllable words.

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>>739135720
>uh, l-let's not t-talk about that...
>b-but fucking niggers amirite?

>>739135340
I didn't mention God, calm down autist, save your reeeeee for someone else.

>>739135719
> still responds

>>739136042
Let's talk about it fuck boi

>>739135918
The results of the civil war included state rights. It was like our compromise to stop the war or some shit, dawg

>>739135191
And liberals who yearn for communism are also idiots. Yes, some liberals are stupid, but I have yet to meet an intelligent or rational republican.

>>739136021
>cites a pro-gun blog
AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>739136365
>uses CNN unironically and mother jones, actually like huffpo
What a huge faggot you are, Dorothy.

>>739134853
You are the retard and if your glasses had not been so fully covered with sperm, you would have seen it yourself.

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>>739136551
Cool story.

You should have no trouble pointing out where I cited any of those.

>>739136275

>but I have yet to meet an intelligent or rational republican.

Maybe because you only hang around fruit loop faggots who think mutilating their dick is fine.

>>739136644
>implying you don't use them daily
Nice try, faggot

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>>739136021
Whatever faggot

>>739128691
You'd best be joking, boyo

>>739136597
Keep your faggot dreams to yourself, assgoblin.

>>739136798
Oh gosh, people suiciding is a bad thing?
Really faggot? You should join them.

>>739131054
>a republic and not a democracy
>being this retarded

Republicans are fruity faggots who goes church and sings fag-anthems every sunday. Your badass guns cant make up for this.

>>739136710
Yep. I don't venture to the country except for when I'm going to my lake cabin. And I do have faggot friends, and nigger friends, and we do live in the big city (oooh scary).

>>739136798

Cars also cause deaths in America. Should we ban those too?

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>>739132849
The red and blue parts are cancer

Fuck libtards and conservacucks

I love trolling both of those fucking retarded, outdated, archaic political idealism.

I wish they'd die off already though. But muh divide and conquer conditioning.

>>739136941
Justifiable homicide = 2%, but totally worth it, it was an awesome 2%.

>>739137154

>Being this insecure that you have to make up some fantasy lifestyle that doesn't exist

wew lad

>>739135807
I was responding to your chilled view on the "liberals" not being destructive. I'm not into either party, but currently those in power who call themselves Liberals and the libs that support them are far more dangerous than the right to western society as a whole. Rep, for example, don't have a good track record of late, certainly not a compassionate one, but they've always been good at keeping the west, the west, stubbornly so. I can't fault them on that one. The alternative many libs are running with, well just look at the world. We can't let that happen.

>>739137195
30,000 deaths a year, maybe we should? What do you think? We created 2 new gov agencies because of just 3,000 deaths 16 years ago because Republicans are scared.

>>739123007
Oh god this imbacil.


Illegals cant vote

You need to register to vote

They ask for proof of citizenshop when you register and an id

Illegals cant get either

You can register by mail but they still have to process it which will be rejected.
Why are you so fucking retarded.

>>739137813
Bu.. BUT I READ IT ON A FACEBOOK GROUP POST!!!

AREN'T I A POLITICAL SCIENCE EXPERT NOW?!?!

>>739137813
>You need to register to vote
Shut up you racist bigot!!

>Not just showing up and having someone vouch for you like most states

>>739137358
Oh man, I'm you caught me there. But maybe someday I'll live in the big city like on a TV show! And I'll have other ERP consultant friends who work for Boston or Bain or McKinsey! And I'll have a lake cabin and shitpost to the poor conservative closet fags on 4chan!

>>739138060
Wat the fuck are you on?

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They`re the same breed of pigs.

>>739137813
FAIL

even dead people vote. also, the only reason they have encouraged so many immigrants to the US is so they become potential voters

>>739138143

Am I suppose to laugh at this? Why are liberals so unfunny?

>>739129003
The electoral system came about because 250 years ago Virginia was the largest and most powerful state. It had a larger population than most other states combined. Since the other states wouldn't be in a union where they were powerless and at the whims on a single other State the electoral college was made to distribute power evenly between the states.

>>739138507
True! The best comedians are definitely conservatives. Jeff and Larry! Amirite!

>>739138617
That's why we have two senators per state, the electoral college was meant to keep popular idiots out of office, according to Alexander Hamilton in Federalist #68.

>>739138507
I don't even know how to respond to you. Show you my paycheck? My degree from Columbia? Or do I just delight in the fact that your ignorant hateful terrified ass will stay in one place until you die from an industrial accident.

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>>739138169
I'm high on voting rights and you biggots with you're voting ids trying to prove citizenship discriminate against minorities and others who live here

>>739139097
>Judges self-worth by accomplishments
>Pseudo-intellectualism
>Believes self-entitlement justifies status

Liberal Scum

>>739139592
>believes he has worth without accomplishments

>has bootstraps, can't figure out how to pull them up

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>>739139097

>Being this assblasted because that anon hurt your feelings
>I hope you die

Holy fuck liberals are sure pathetic

>>739139850

>believes he has worth without accomplishments
>yet believes we should love Muslims and niggers unconditionally

also

>has bootstraps, can't figure out how to pull them up

is that suppose to be 2deep4me?

>>739122540
>why do American's allow this?
>American's
> 's

American confirmed.

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Because fuck you, that's why.

>>739122540
Ukfaggot.

Conservatives go to church at day but at night, they pray and dream that there really is a heaven. A heaven where a huge harem of man-ass is awaiting them. They often awake with a boner that they hide from their wifes. Sometimes they stand in the kitchen looking out the window with a dreamy look on their faces, and cracks a little smile when theyre imagining the incredible amount of hairy man-ass that awaits them in heaven.

>>739137813
actually they can you dumb fuck. they dont ask you or require proof of citizenship when you register to vote, all they do is sign you up and expect the polling place to figure it out. they are trying to change the law now

>>739122540

It's quite simple. The federal government serves at the pleasure and consent of the individual--though United--States. Therefore, each state has consent equal to its proportion of the population+2 votes. The candidate that wins the popular vote of the state wins all that state's proportional support (electoral votes).

Whenever someone wins the election with a lower cumulative popular vote, it just means they won the popular vote in more individual states.

Again, the point here is that the president--and the government over which he presides--serves at the pleasure of the States, not the populace. The USA is a Federal Republic, not a popular democracy.

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>>739140097
*That moment another anon replies the same way you were about to

>HIVEMIND

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>>739127223
>>739135918
You can't be on the wrong end of history if you kill everyone on the other side and write it yourself.

>>739141603
And moreover, when you consider that this nation is the third-largest by population, these measures are absolutely necessary to maintain the integrity of the voting process. A popular elective process could be rigged out the proverbial ass.

>>739131108
Ummm. No we don't live in a democracy. We live in a Constitutionally Representative Republic.

>>739130878
>CALIFORNIA MEANS NOTHING! FUCKING REPUBTARDS

why would republicans brag about red states being on welfare.

you fucking retard

>>739141784
>we're both retarded groupthink republicans
>quick, let everyone know we have hivemind
>oh no, that's literally what everyone expected

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>>739132498
>Why not give every minority opinion this same weighted voting?

Not understanding electoral votes actually give minority states a fucking voice in government.

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>>739142695

>>739122540
Electoral college fucking fail to stop that demagogue from taking office.

>>739137813
YOU CAN IN CALI, YOU FAGGOT. IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT TO SHOW ANY FORM OF ID, IT'S SCOUTS HONOR.

https://youtu.be/_gbwv5hf2Ps

>>739145482
The biggest 100 cities only contain about 1/6th of the nations population

>>739135918
Fun fact the civil war was primarily fought over states rights you dip shit go fucking kill yourself

>>739127223
They lost a battle but the war is not over.

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>>739146641
Fun fact that's autistic revisionist history taught in the south

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>>739135720
damn you went for it this time, didnt you anon?

>>739122540
General stupidity-the dumbest are also often the loudest.
To make things worse, most normal ppl are liberal/democrat but they don;t like to participate. If they all actually voted, the democrats would win everything, every time. They're just apathetic.

>>739146641
South Carolina seceded because the federal government would not overturn abolitionist policies in Northern states; the federal government would not violate a state’s right to abstain from slavery and its concomitant policies. Specifically, those that sprung from the case of Prigg v. Pennsylvania (1842), in which the US Supreme Court ruled that state authorities could not be forced to help return fugitive slaves to the South.

>>739147967
Yes because the civil war was definitely only fought over enslaved niggers

>>739146641
The declaration of secession for Texas is perhaps the most dogmatic. On Feb. 2, 1861, state leaders published a defense of slavery that amounted to little more than a bizarre, quasi-eugenic treatise for white supremacy. “Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated States to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility [sic] and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people,” it begins, before taking a wildly offensive turn, even by the standards of the day:
“We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.”

>>739127533
/Thread

>>739148848
And that's the language you should use when making your rational and educated argument to the fact.

>it warent JUST abaht da nig nog's! It'un be abaht da cotton tariff of 1828 and 1832!

>>739149035
Genuinely unsure what this is supposed to prove to me looks like you googled some retarded shit and hoped for the best Lincoln did support ending slavery and this is why southern states began leaving and forming the confederacy because they thought this violated their constitution which they were right to think technically but they were destroying the constitution by leaving the united states and this is what ticked off Lincoln and began the civil war the end of slavery was more or less a slap in the face

>>739149501
So what states rights were being violated then?

>>739149721
The fact that the states shouldn't have the right to leave the united states are you a fucking cotton head?

>>739149721
I mean the south thought their right to niggers was being violated too that's more logical I guess dad

>>739132161
Way to degenerate you closet shitsucker

>>739132849
Why move from paradise to some corporate controlled shithole for the sake of uplifting cletuses

>>739137813
Voting laws vary state by state. I live in Florida and we require social security, state ID, and 2 proofs of address.

Some places don't require the social, and some places don't require a birth certificate for state ID. Put that together and suddenly you have a non citizen with capacity to vote.

>>739139254
Thing about that is how do you expect minorities to even exist without ID in America. Everyone has a Fucking ID, voter ID laws aren't discriminating against minorities, it's ensuring the chances of voter fraud do not exist. Personally I have my ID in my wallet at all times. Most people do.

>>739136710
Your wife loves my cockring

>>739128544
>37mil blacks in the us
>26mil blacks on welfare
>non-spic whites in us: 192mil
>non-spic whites on welfare: 11mil
hmmm

>>739149974
>>739149815
Nobody seceded for states rights, in fact, Confederates opposed states’ rights - the right of Northern states not to support slavery.

South Carolina was the first state to secede, upset that the north wasn't returning runaway slaves.
Specifically calling out
“an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery”

So the civil war was fought because the north was for States rights? The south was for them and the north didn't want them to leave, which they thought was their right? The south was against States rights?

Faggot please, the civil war was fought to hold the nation together. Slavery was why it was falling apart.

Next time, you fags can just leave. We won't even argue. You'll be a third works country within ten years.

>>739150697
Look dumb shit states rights were being violated on both sides stop trying to protect yourself remember who's the dumbass that tried to claim that states rights had nothing to do with the civil war? Yeah that was you. Faggot.

>>739128816
>>739130878
California is a donor state, meaning it gives more than it gets from the federal government