Who would win a fight, female bantam weight MMA fighter or a

the male

>>739022336
The woman. Knowing how to fight is everything.

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>>739022737

>>739022737
Honestly, this is the truth. You can be as big and fit as you want, if you don't know how to fight, especially in MMA, you'll get your ass handed to you. And it's a pretty big difference when you're 135 pounds of pure muscle vs. 200 lbs of cheese doodles

>>739022336
its fight.
no rules.
no time limit.
the female.
she would just have to play defense mode.
stand back. run around.
kick him a few times in the legs.

The female would probably win, but it wouldn't be easy. That's a huge weight difference.

The male with the gun.

>>739022336
as a ''somewhat fit'' 200lb male i can tell you with zero training and haven't been in a fight in 20 years she would stomp me out in the first round.

maybe land a lucky blind shot and she goes down but i doubt it.

would happily get in the ring or octagon with one of those crazy bitches for the cash tho.

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>>739022981
>200 lbs of cheese doodles

>>739022336
Male. Testosterone stimulates muscle strength like a motherfucker.

>>739023429
> with no martial arts training?
all that muscle but don't know how to use it during a fight.

>>739023552
I have sparred with women. They don't have the strength or aggression of a reasonably fit male.

a "reasonably fit" 200lbs male would be more than reasonably... at 5'10 - 6'0, 200lbs and fit is pretty impressive. heavyweight fighters are usually 200 - 220. for 99% of men, 200lbs = kinda fat

anyway, it depends if he can get hold of her before getting knocked out. trained fighter or not, 135 vs reasonably fit 200, he could just manhandle her

most likely though, he goes into shock after taking a single hit and just buckles from there

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The man, obviously. Just grab her and it's over. You'll be able to get her on the ground and she won't be able to get you off of her. As for muh BJJ, try those moves when biting is on the table.

>>739022336
She would beat the everloving piss out of him. Also 8/10 b8.

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>>739023741
>I have sparred with women

please continue

>>739023753
>before getting knocked out
How many top level female MMA fighters ever knock out their opponent? It practically never happens because they just don't have the strength.

>>739022981
He said reasonably fit, you fucking dingus

>>739022336

>bantamweight

Bitch would literally bounce off me.

>tfw Final Boss build
>tfw have to be very careful not to break my opponents in half by accident
>tfw twinks and girls couldn't hurt me if their lives depended on it.

>>739023741
defense.
don't try to attack the guy.
you will lose.
just tire his 200lb ass off.
kick him in the shins a few times.
then run away

i have no idea what im saying.
never been in a fight.
rarely watch ufc.
kinda drunk.

>>739023753
Or he gets hit and, like me usually, it is a wake up call that floods his bloodstream with adrenaline and he overwhelms her with superior strength and body mad.

Too many betas in this thread believe the fantasy of the female warrior and the feminist myth that women can do anything men can.

>>739022336
Man, I'd like to be the guy that finds out.

>>739023893
It's Andy Kaufman, mother fucker.

Have some respect.

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>>739024063
this fucking guy

you will never impress anyone on this site, stop trying.

>>739023893
I took karate years ago and, as a green belt, sparred against very good Brown belt women. There were no other women for her to side with, so she sparred with men.

As good as she was, she would have her hands full in a real fight.

>>739022336
The woman.
I'd bet on her since she has more experience with violence, an innate aggression response (seeing as how she's a fucking MMA fighter), lots of training so she knows what her strengths are in this in fight and will play to them, and if her opponent is ignorant of her profession, the element of surprise.

>>739024051

TKO

>>739024170

you have never been hit square in the face by a trained fighter. your legs buckle, your entire body vibrates and your body forces you to do anything you can to avoid whatever the fuck just happened to it from happening again

you do not go super saiyan like your autistic fantasies

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>>739024421
>karate
Get that shit out of here

>>739023753
The man would probably win the fight if he's able to over power the woman. Testosterone is a hella chemical.

>>739024615
Oh, bullshit. Women don't have that kind of power. Sure, it would hurt, but she's not knocking you out. Hell, even the smaller guys in MMA rarely knock the other guy out. The 200lb guy is a heavyweight. How many heavyweights do you see knocking guys out? Practically all of them.

>>739024667
lol you are so dumb. female mma fighters do blood doping and have more testosterone than you. Not to mention skills are how you break skulls.

>>739023753
striking would be his best option. once the grappling begins its all over for the dude

>>739022994
Not Ronda tho. She'd be throwing blind punches.

>>739024421
back to op's question and dismiss your unique experience in life for a second, do you honestly think a trained female fighter would lose a fight against average 200lb kinda fit car salesman joe?

stop being stupid.

>>739022336
The male if he is not a retard and has a simple gameplan. As long as the girl is not royce gracy she gonna have a hard time defending against even the most simple takedown attempts since he can EASILY lift her... just saying. Also a female bt fighter will have a hard time knocking him out. Even if he becer was in a fight he can take some of her. Fighting a woman is seriously like fighting another species and for the guys who say knowledge is everything... there are reasons why doping is banned and why there are weightclasses. If she could just "outskill" other ppl like that it'd be pretty obsolete wouldnt it?

>>739024615
this

>>739024804
Even if she doesn't knock you out, which is still possible if she catches you, her jiu-jitsu will probably be good enough to submit the cunt

>>739024878
Are you joking? Pure strength can overcome submissions. Once the grappling beings it's over for the woman. She won't be able to do anything.

>>739025173
>her jiu-jitsu will probably be good enough to submit the cunt
see
>>739025193

Is it weird that I'd probs pop a boner while a girl beat my ass

>>739022336
Where is her pussy?

>>739022336
you never said the reasonably fit man didn't have a gun on him.

>>739025193
have you ever actually trained? because what you just said is 100% bullshit

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>>739022336

>>739025251
You clearly don't understand how Jiu-Jitsu works, and how it is fighting someone stronger than you on the ground

Any fucking actual fighter here can tell you that with more than mediocre jiu jitsu the man is done

>>739025354
i knew someone was going to post that knuckle.

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>>739025304
>>739025454
Faggots who think their jiu jitsu will work in a fight with no rules against a larger opponent.

Jesus you idiots know nothing about fighting.

>>739025096
I would say that that experience offers more evidence than your wild ass guess.

And yes, don't underestimate a real 200 pound man, as opposed to the kind of walk ass beta faggot you hang out with.

>>739025615
oh no, it's retarded

>>739024804

TKO. your body just completely submits and the fight is stopped. if you've not been trained to get hit then you're just not ready for it

look at how many people move from other sports to MMA and just get demolished by the first real striker they fight

remember mariusz pudzianowski? worlds strongest man, but in his fight against tim sylvia he went from "i'm gonna tear him limb from limb" to "oh sweet jesus help me i don't wanna be in here" in about 10 seconds flat

>>739025615
>i have literally never trained a day in my life
the post

>>739025615
This.

>>739022336
If the man was an absolute beta, it would be a close fight with the woman coming out on top.
But if he's well versed in violence, either in barfights or other similar brawls, he's going to win.
You would not believe how much experience counts for in a fight.
Experienced fighters don't shrink from doing real damage to their opponents, and they aren't afraid to take a hit.

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>>739025454
>Any fucking actual fighter here

>/b/

>all trained fighters

>>739025680
>muh BJJ
>muh hurt feelings

Just trying using BJJ in a no rules fight and see how those submissions work for ya, sport.

>>739025732
>>739025764
Faggots who got 3 BJJ lessons and think they're BJ Penn.

>>739025873
there are so many videos of bjj guys winning fights its not even funny. seriously, the UFC was literally started to show off bjj against other arts. not to mention an mma fighter knows more than just bjj

>>739025873
>implying I haven't already
It's funny watching all these "hurr durr man stwong" retards, who have fought once in middle school, and have never sparred a day in their life thing that their opinion is valid

>>739025998
Big difference between the Gracies and the faggots in this thread.

>>739026163
also a big difference between someone who trains and someone who doesnt

>>739025998
>>739026089
So butthurt that your BJJ inspires no fear. On the street, where biting, headbutting and small joint manipulation is on the table, you're submitting no one.

And no, your sport martial art will not bridge the strength gap between a 135 lb woman and a 200 lb man. Idiots.

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>>739026234
Bigger difference between a 135lb woman and a 200lb man, dumbass.

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>>739026313
tell that to Rickson Gracie, Damian Maia, Marcelo Garcia. I would love to see you try to headbutt any of them. Goodluck, and as for bridging the gap, that's literally what the sport was made for.

>>739026313
and all those options are available for the female as well.
at least she will know when to hit and when to back off.
a fight in the ring she will lose.
but outside where she could just sit back and wait for an opening.

>>739026440
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wjBBBiIaz4

>>739026089
Go to Home Depot or a sporting goods store and look around at some of the 200 pound men there. Especially the ones who drive pickup truck.

Most of those guys played football. Even with no martial arts training they know how to take a hit.

Now I'ma a girl, a real girl, not some movie fantasy girl, trying to kick one of those guys asses. No fucking way.

>>739022981
well, especially if it came to grappling/wrestling there's no way a 135 woman would overpower a 200 lb man unless you're a fat fuck

>>739026787
show ur tits ur a girl Cx

>>739026787
learn to read faggot.
it is a trained experienced female vs an average male with no training.

>>739026919
except were talking someone who actually trains against someone who doesnt

I got into a fight with a girl who was a BJJ master, she leg locked my neck, and all I could do was to take my keychain and bust her kneecap with it. I "won" but it wasn't pretty unfortunately.

>ITT

a bunch of idiots that have never thrown a punch in their lives think a trained and fit as fuck female wouldn't knock them the fuck out because they weigh more than her.

oh for fucks sake just admit it.

>>739024416
>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact

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>>739026787
Yes, for an AVERAGE GIRL, it isn't specified the caliber of MMA fighter we're talking about. If we're talking about Marie Sue then sure, I'll give it to you; but if it's Amanda Nuinez, or Joanna Jedrzejczyk, they're smacking the fuck out of any nigga in Home Depot

>>739026949
A trained experienced real person, not some fantasy girl.

i think its also worth pointing out that someone who fights at 135 probably weighs more than that

>>739026919
You have never grappled in your life have you? It has less to do with strength and more to do with being able to cover up openings. A fast moving opponent won't be as strong, but goodluck brute forcing someone off your back from a deep rear naked choke

>>739026768
That guy could have punched her out. He was playing by the rules.

>>739026994
Training in a dojo doesn't mean as much as you think.

>>739027273
at what point? and she could have done the same

>>739027423
lmao what?

>>739027093
that was put there so moot would have some kind of deniability you fucking douche. some of the conversations here are actually real and i'm guessing >>739024063 that asshole was not spinning some work of fiction, he/you actually believe it.

go to bed.

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knowledge of fighting plays into this heavily.

even a 'reasonably fit' dude is no match.

135 girl has the stamina advantage to play distance and kick the ever loving fuck out of his legs over and over and over and over until he couldn't even move, then move in to deliver fast combination punches and dive out before the male could grab a hold of her.

grappling is the male's only hope of winning, and even then, the MMA fighter knows how to get out of MMA grapples, no less some fucking bear hug from the guy.

i'd say 9/10 fights go to the female, the 1 is the guy would get lucky and grab and tackle, mount and beat her head in.

>>739026919
Actually, its the exact opposite. Literally go on youtube and search up "jiu jitsu vs __" whether it be body builder, 200lb+ man etc, weight doesnt mean shit when grappling.

the woman.
a guy I worked with years back had studied tai chi and ju jitsu since he was a kid. his whole family was into it.

he said that one time he and his elderly grandmother were play sparring in the back yard and one thing led to another and they sparred for real.

he said she whipped his ass. he was really trying to put her down and she flipped him like a rag doll and he couldn't stop her.

>>739027629
I would say there is also a chance of the guy being too fast and simply catching her with a heavy right hand....Not very likely though..I give it to the guy 2-3/10. Mostly he gets absolutely dominated though. Gotta give him a reach advantage due to height, unless of course they are the same height.

>>739027630
This. here's a grappling match between a 150lb jj practitioner and a 250lb body builder.

https://youtu.be/kL3VzjcptBI

Woman wins, being a good fighter will win the fight if your opponent is not trained.

The female, being trained will have more stamina, more agility, better punching technique, better reaction time, etc

It's a no brainer. Yeah, you can be strong as fuck but that doesn't win a fight. I've seen an organized fight where a 150 pound Muay Thai beat a professional body builder, mind you the body builder was buff as fuck and over 200 pounds.

>>739027630
There is also conditioning as well. If it comes down to a grapple, or an exchange of blows, the fighter is conditioned from experience to not gas out horribly. Anybody who has grappled semi seriously will be able to tell you its a different type of cardio. The bursts of intensity and what not are very unique.

>>739028043
Yeah the endurance aspect is no joke. I started doing jiu jitsu recently, im pretty fit and have always done a lot of running but jesus christ is it tiring being on your back so much. It works some muscles I didn't even think existed.

how is everyone missing the point here?

a 200lb dude that has never had training? against a female that has done nothing but train to knock people out? and weighs a bit less but is nothing but muscle.

smart money kids.

>>739028384
Yeah its full on shit. If you gas out on your back, or even on your feet, size doesn't matter. You can struggle against a submission all you want, but if you are already tired its a downhill battle for you. And while you are gassing out guarding against one sub, the grappler is just chilling and figuring out a change up into the next sub.

>>739022336
I know it doesn't really make a difference but a bantamweight usually cuts weight to make the 136 pound limit. So the female usually weighs in the high 140's or low 150's come fight night.

>>739028810
high 150's is right in my wheel house.

>>739022336

I have a female friend and high level BJJ practitioner who would fit in this weight class. I am a 6'4" 220lb reasonably fit man with no combat training. Based on having rolled with her a few times my position is this:

I would destroy her standing up. Of course MMA fighters are trained in striking, I am still alright with my chances. Size/strength is a huge advantage when throwing punches.

However, if she got me to the ground, which she is trained to do and I am not trained to defend against, I'd give myself a pretty low chance to win.

BJJ is pretty sold at minimizing the benefit of size, and it's mostly men training in these martial arts, so the women are used to sparring against them. If you're at that much of a training disadvantage they are not going to give you much of an opening for trowing punches on the ground, you're going to get sloppy and you're going to get yourself submitted. And that shit is serious.

>>739022942
This guy would likely get his ass kicked lol

>>739025615

It just depends on how much bigger they are. Like there are limits to the usefulness of BJJ against larger opponents, especially if that opponent is in any way fit/athletic.

>>739022336

The woman wins up to a point. Once you start to get to where the opponent has 70 or 80lbs on them or something they're going to have a really big fucking problem on their hands. The same would apply for guys but maybe that point at which it goes from something they can handle 9/10 times start to drop with every 20 pounds or athletic ability you add on to the opponent. So then it's 7/10, and 6/10 and by the time you get to the point where it's a college foorball linesman who is 6'4" 260lbs against a male BJJ black belt who is 165 and that athlete is going to pose a very large and not easily answered challenge.

The people making the comparisons between a smaller man beating a bigger man know nothing about biology. The difference in muscle density is enormous, the female fighter might as well be fighting a gorilla. Unless she kicks him in the balls right off the bad, it's over. She could not hit him hard enough to knock him out, he would be more than strong enough to break out of any hold she tried to put on him, and she could not take a single punch from him.

There's a reason you never see any exhibition of regular guys stepping into the ring to go one round with a woman fighter. If the woman had any hope of winning, you'd see this publicity stunt all the time, but you'll never see it even once.

>>739029283
jesus fucking christ , you are either op so stupid trying to bump your own thread or just a complete moron that didn't understand the question.

>>739028967
Yeah fighters like cyborg cut from 170 to 145, hell she even cut down to 140. So im guessing the bigger bantamweight could walk around and fight a round 160

>>739029707
>he would be more than strong enough to break out of any hold she tried to put on him
confirmed for having never trained

>>739029659

I should add that it's not to say that the 165 BJJ black belt isn't going to win in a number of scenario's. It's just that his margin for error is essentially zero.

women meet that threshold sooner

>>739029707
Thats some cool bro science.

Never grappled before in your life have you?

>>739029855
>confirmed for never having been held by a woman

>>739029960
You've never grappled in your life with a woman, have you?

>>739030120
With a woman I have 60-70 lbs on? No.

With a woman I have 30lbs on? Yes

If you ain't careful, shit sucks and overconfidence is deadly. Tiny people are fast.

>>739030291
You must be very small, or you fought beefy women. OP's example is against a 200 lb reasonably fit man.

>>739029707

A "regular guy" isn't going to win dude. Assuming the Regular Guy is like 170 with little to no athletic training or ability. The point made earlier about cutting weight is accurate and the woman in the OP is giving that male MAYBE 25 pounds if she doesn't cut weight.

That's just not enough of a disparity. Now if you take that "regular guy" and change it to 230 pound athlete that has often takes part in high intensity physical activity. That bitch is going to have her hands full.

This regualr joe argument... only giving up like 30 pounds to him. She'll end up tieing him up in knots on the ground 99 out of 100 times.

>>739030664
Being honest I am 160-165 lbs.

>>739022336
If he's got any basic fighting experience, he wins. Otherwise he's just gonna get owned after the first jab, he just won't expect a girl to hit that hard. Once he cringes from the blow, he'll be spun into a hold which amounts to a game over. I mean he might wriggle out by sheer luck but not likely.