Does /b like my tattoo? Communism for the win, am I right?

Can't speak for the rest of /b/, but this socialist thinks it's really fucking cool.

>>739001605
I will begrudgingly agree that this tatt is cool.

>>739001605
itt: poor people

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>>739001605
NEIN

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>>739001605

Good luck cuntrade.

>>739001605
Nice bait m8

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>>739002017
i pressed it first!

>>739001605
Good to see another comrade from /leftypol/ on this board.

>>739001605
While I find most tattoos to be degenerate, I like yours, comrade.

>>739001605
You might want to hit the gym before a vet see's that and tears that arm off and shoves it up your ass.

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>>739001605
No OP no try communism we tried it once and it no work to well. Economy crashed and people died you see. Come to think of it, we did get a pretty kick as song so maybe you should.

>>739001605
looks almost like paint, I like it.

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Kek if I knew where you live you commie cuck I would tie up you and your wife and kids if you have any and slowly torture them and kill them and have you watch before I gouge your eyes and pull your tongue out and carve a swastika on your forehead and leave you to die, you fucking sub-human.

ah...youth and naivety, you gotta love stupid choices

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>>739002844

>>739002579
>pretty kick as song
source please

>>739003074
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozYao1Mju7A

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>>739001605
>fell for the communist meme
kek

>>739001605

98% chance this "worker" doens't have a job, doesn't want a job, and enjoys like on welfare.

When your revolution comes you will be sent off to be worked to death or executed for being a lazy cunt.

Of course you homos always think you'll be in the politburo. Not fucking likely.

>>739001605
So how many capitalisms did you pay for it?

>>739001605
don't you have to be employed to be a worker and unite. the chances of you being employed under a communist gov are abysmal.

>>739002502
Bro, we haven't fought communism on the ground since like... 1975.

Most vets wont give a shit.

However, putting symbols of a regime that killed tens of millions on your body is pretty fucked up either way.

nah. a true communist wouldnt have money for a tattoo.

Eventually the proletariat will see through the corporate propaganda. Stay strong, Comrades!

>>739001605
>Black power fist
>Engaging in divisive identity politics
>Going completely contrary to true marxism

You fucked it up, tovarisch.

>>739001605
The red is jarring and it's going to have such an ugly fade. Can't expect much careful planning from a communist though.

>>739003831
So uh... which workers are supposed to rise up, exactly?

McDonald's fry cooks and retail clerks? You really think you can make a revolution out of those people? That wouldn't even be seizing the means of production. You would have no leverage.

But I really am curious, who do you think would really join a socialist revolution?

>>739003989
Under full communism, everything will be centrally planned, removing the need to think.

>>739004086
Actually under full Communism everyone in the community will have to think and the majority opinion will rule.

>>739001605
No left

>>739003309
This. I fucking hate commies, but in the end a "revolution" would be great to rid the world of these people.

>>739001605
>it'll work this time
>i promise it won't devolve into a corrupt police state
>the class system really will be demolished

still looks cool though

>>739004037
>who do you think would really join a socialist revolution?

people who want healthcare

>>739001605
All communists should get easily identifiable tattoos just like yours.

>>739004517
>People who want healthcare

So what, you shoot the rich, redistribute their wealth in the form of welfare, nationalize all the businesses... and then what?

What happens when the money runs out and you can't provide everyone with all the promised "gibs me dats" anymore?

>>739004037
Everyone. If you take a step back and look at our society it's all bullshit. Some people blame it on a political party, race, company, etc. But it's more then that. Our society is so wrapped up in sex, or phones, and other bullshit. Just look at suicide and depression rates. No ones happy. Fuck, even the bourgeoisie are killing them selves. A socialist society could change the fundamental problems that have occurred from our current one. We can step back, spend more time thinking and spend more time outdoors. We could become humans again.

>>739004037
Kek.

>>739004662
>A socialist society could change the fundamental problems that have occurred from our current one

Yeah except our new problems would be:

Deathsquads killing the rich, and then the middle class.

Starvation, as agriculture is nationalized and run by people who don't know what the fuck they're doing.

Cleaning up after the inevitably bloody civil war that would happen if the proletariat "rose up".

People being imprisoned or executed as "class traitors" because they wanted to hold on to their iPhone, or their watch, or because they hid some rice under a floor board.

We wouldn't be "going outside more" or "becoming humans again". Socialist revolutions don't ever achieve that. Socialist revolutions tend to simply kill a lot of people and plunge the rest into poverty.

>>739004662
>more then that
>we could become humans again
Not that guy but this is the most childish thing I've seen in a while with poor writing to boot.

>>739004436
This, Communism is noble in trying to create a free and equal society devoid of greed but an afterlife is more believable by now.

>>739001605
What a kike

>>739005267
My definition of "revolution" isn't the same as yours I think. When scientists have a revolution, it means they have discovered something, they made a breakthrough. Not that they took up arms and blew shit up. I mean, that people will come to a realization. Eventually, people will come to see this system is bullshit. Not just governmentally and economically, but societally. Then, we can advance as a species.

>>739001605
Is summer over yet?

>>739005347
I know, I don't spend my time giving my finest work to an anonymous image board website. How stupid of me.

>>739001605
>Communist
>Paid for tattoo
Inb4 he threatened to call the artist a racist

>>739005650
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>739005650
Does your idea of a revolution still involve taking people's property away to fund your utopia? If so, I think you should expect resistance.

People won't want to give up their land, their homes, their cars, or their money so that people who didn't work for it can benefit. So they will fight back when you come to take it. Which leaves you with two options, end your socialist revolution, or kill them.

Which one would you pick?

>>739005746
Stupid indeed that you can't even back your already looked down upon cause with the most basic English. This is why no one will ever take Communism seriously anymore.

>>739005772
Great argument. I will instantly change all of my beliefs due to this great piece of literature.

>>739005847
Not that guy but you don't fund shit in Communism because the proletariat abolished money.

>>739001605

Good job, it will be easier to identify you as an idiot and bash your skull in.

>>739005926
You weren't going to anyway, the level naiveté in your post told me that enough.

>>739005847
See, Why do people yearn for their possessions? I'm not going to take things away from anyone. I mean, I own 2 houses so really I'm part of the problem. But, when the desire to own these houses is removed, there will be no fight. No war. It's about changing our materialistic society and realizing that things don't make us happy.

>>739005990
Sure, in a post-scarcity utopia, communism would mean everyone is supplied with what they need through central planning with no need to exchange goods or services in return.

But in the real world, the transition to socialism (which proceeds communism) requires the abolition of private property and the redistribution of said property according to whatever scheme of "justice" the revolutionaries think best.

That's never going to happen in a capitalist society because nobody wants to give up what they have.

>>739001605
Probably bait, replying anyway.

Show me a communist society where the average wealth went up for all it's citizens, or where the dictatorship of the proletariat ended.

If you can do that, maybe you have a point.

>>739005990
Correct. Instead of funding projects, you make the people work on it at gunpoint.

>>739001605
kys commie
Fascism beats your retarded system

>>739006272
Communism has the same ideals as children's books

>>739005901
I made a grammatical mistake. So, you are going to base an ideology on a grammatical mistake made by an supposed socialist on a anonymous image board website that is known for people roleplaying beliefs and identities? I am the dumb one here?

>>739003309
I work 35-40 hours a week and am in college thanks though my dude. Workers need to be motivated for a workers revolution to work.

>>739006272
>remove the desire to acquire resources and territory
>what are mammals?
Good luck.

>>739006394
>Fascism
>Economic Centrism while having to worship the government
Not a commie but Fascism sucks.

>>739006177
>oh no someone sees the problems in our society
So, you think everything on this earth atm is great? Fuck, you think it's passable? I'm naive, huh?

>>739006272
>Why do people yearn for their possessions?

It sounds like you're not a socialist. You're a primitivist. You don't want some great leap forward, you want to return us to the paleolithic when nobody kept permanent property.

>>739003843
The fist is not a black power symbol in origin or inetioned to be one, the fist symbolizes solidarity and resistance.

>>739001605
LMAO now You look like a Fag

>>739006315
Show me a capitalist society where the invisible hand helped all hard workers in society.

>>739006476
Gotta have it all in one sock bitch boy, Commies will be on the defensive until people give it up and there's none left.

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>>739001605

And I thought MY tattoo was gay. You've got me beat, brother.

>pic related, it's my ink

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Looks like unemployment and parental disappointment. Kill yourself please

>>739001605
>Be OP
>Marx was too extreme for me so I didn't read any of his stuff
>Antifa told me about communism
>What do you mean universal healthcare? It's evil

>>739006688
Fair enough. Just looked it up and the IWW used it in 1917.

That's not really the common usage anymore though, at least in the US. It doesn't symbolize worker solidarity, it symbolizes black power.

>>739006519
Yeah good luck with that revolution, skinny fuck

>>739001605
was it free?

>>739006536
>implying humans aren't intellectually superior to small minded dogs and shit
How do you think we got to this point in society that you are typing on a phone/computer rn? Also, pre agriculture humans lived equally in small volumes sharing what they contributed. It's not just some fairy bullshit, it's happened before.

>>739006728
You're saying if it's not perfect, we scrap it for something that's demonstrated to be worse?
Capitalism has dragged billions of people in the last 50 years out of abject poverty, and been the sole driving force behind the industrial revolution that laid the foundations for everything you enjoy today (including the device you're communicating with me on lol).

Communism does the exact opposite - Mao's China and Stalin's Russia owe almost 100 million deaths to starvation alone, not count the outright murders the dictatorship of the proletariat requires to try and force its utopia.

You didn't answer my question though - show me a successful Communist society. You can't, I know, I just want you to admit it.

>>739006272
Yeah, and since that is never going to happen we will just have to force people to, for their own good of course. Hmmm, we'll need a lot of 'camps', lets call them re-education camps, yeah that sounds warm & fuzzy.

>>739006643
You know all communist strive for a stateless classless society right? If you don't, you aren't a communist.

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>>739006814
Op here antifa is made up of degenerates, anarchism is idiotic. Marx was a visionary, Lenin was revolutionary, and Stalin was a hero for the people. I'm a Marxist Leninist

>>739006996
>implying humans didn't raid and kill each other to acquire their resources and territory
>implying that just because we have the ability to use tools, communicate by speech and plan for the future we're somehow magically completely different from all other mammals

>>739006745
I don't understand what the fuck you are trying to say.

>>739001605
Sweet, I like my communists easy to identify. Easier to kill.

>>739006996
>How do you think we got to this point in society that you are typing on a phone/computer rn?

The answer is capitalism. Literally capitalism.

>>739001605
Im mean, at least you are open about being a degenerate so people can avoid you.

my impression of the tattoo is: i'm a marxist communist that loves getting fisted by daddy (government)

>>739001605

Fucking sweet.

>>739002579

You take the good things from communism and apply them to our current day situation. You don't replicate the last to the letter, you learn from it, and adapt. Your shitty thinking is showing.

>>739006620
You champion Communism as the key to progress, despite all its failings. In the 169 years since Marx and Engels it hasn't even existed. Yet you cling to
>the world is a shitty place so lets share our stuff and become happy, stateless, and moneyless people
Like it's a not too far off advance and instead not an overly idealistic and flimsy system. Yes anon, you're being naive.

>>739006999
>communism
>mao and stalin
Try again.
Also, do you fucking know the conditions of the workers during the IR?
And lastly, I can't show a successful communist society because there hasn't been one for like 20,000 years. Show me a successful capitalist society, will you?

>>739007038
>we can't
Great argument.

>>739007482
So how do you solve the problem of redistribution of wealth?

How do you nationalize the businesses? How do you make the rich give up their money? How do you force people to live with less so that people like you can be given more?

If you're not going to do it with force, how do you make it happen? People aren't just going to have a realization one day that maybe they should give up everything they own.

>>739007117
Marx is an anarchist, you fucking imbecile. Fuck out of here with your Maoist state capitalism you bourgeois sympathizer.

>>739007194
It means get your shit together if you wanna reach people.

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Op here again, surprised at the amount of compliments despite being a commufaggot. You must also recognize that most socialist state have been directly sabotaged by capitalist ones.

>>739007124
>implying humans encountered each other on large scale thousands of years ago
>implying we are just shitty animals that have no meaning

>>739007637
Taxation is essentially matter of force you pay your taxes or your ass goes to jail and has your assets seized. There's a lot of force and authoritarianism to modern governments. The real illusion is that you have a choice.

>>739007309
The answer is that humans are sophisticated beings. Did capitalism launch the first satellite into space?

>>739007525
>not real communism
Read the Gulag Archipelago you fuckwit.
Does a brilliant job of highlight how Marx's ideas and pathologies manifested in the USSR, and the same shit happened in PRC.
>b-but not real communism
All you're saying here is that if you had the power of Stalin or Mao, you'd have ushered in "real communism". Newflash, the dictatorship of the proletariat was never meant to end - Marx designed it that way, because the end game of Marxism isn't to create communism, but destroy capitalsim, hence Trotsky's permanent revolution, or Stalin's Comintern.
God fucking damn it you're so stupid.
>hurr class conflict is all that matters
Seriously.
Tl;dr it was real communism, and trying to intellectually distance yourself from it is pathetic and transparent.

>successful capitalist society
Pretty much all of them.
No communist societies existed in the past, because communism didn't exist.
It's like saying Mohammad was a feminist - how could he be when it didn't exist? You don't get to claim phenomena like that you retard.

There hasn't been one*
Ftfy.

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Enjoy your communism until the biggest turd floats to the top and decides to liquidate all of you revolutionary types.

Then you'll be left to the tender mercies of the sadists and murders who represent the state you fought so hard for!

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>>739002152

>>739007489
>flimsy
Wow, a capitalist calling another system flimsy? It's not like your system is prone to crashing or anything.

>>739007868
>implying the scale matters when you're forcibly destroying another group and taking their resources and territory
>implying the being mammals with biological history and evolution and having meaning/morals are exclusive concepts
Boy you know how I can tell you're a post-modern Marxist? Because none of your ideas are coherent with reality.

>>739001605
what's the point of having a united workers if there is nobody to work for?

that's what's happening everywhere. all the jobs are moving to 3rd world countries and everyone is still buying their products at a hefty price.

>>739007773
Sanders, even if he isn't perfect is evidence imo.

>>739007978
So the solution is to make it 100x worse = communism. We have a social contract, and sure, it does involve coercion. The balance is currently askew towards the rich, but throwing away the whole system in favour of a proven failed ideology is not the answer.

We won't have to worry about a communist revolution in America because most of the people behind it will be skinny fucking twigs like this guy

>>739007978

Don't buy a car, don't drive on my roads, don't buy a home, don't expect any kind of medical treatment or social safety net. Go be a fucking bum like you want to be and live off the land. Gtfo cockroach.

>>739007978
>Taxation is theft enforced by state violence.

Completely agree. Socialism is simply a worse version of that paradigm.

>>739007703
Anarchocommunists in modern day want to directly transition from a revolution to a stateless society, that isn't Marxism genus the final and I mean long term final goal for communism is to acheive a stateless well organized society, anarchists are naive idealists who want to skip all the difficult and important steps.

>>739008025
You have a point. The USSR did launch Sputnik, a radio alarm clock inside a tin can.

The US went to the moon.

>>739007865
>Ideology fails
> must be sabotage

So why didn't the communists >>739007868
just sabotage democracies?

Maybe because COMMUNISM SUCKS!

>>739008187
>Crashing

What was the USSR?

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>>739008098
>Marx wanted a permanent dictatorship
>The US is successful
>some bullshit Muhammad analogy that has shit to do with anything
A-a-am I supposed to take this seriously? I can't tell if you are baiting or not anon.

>>739001605
i liek dat, tovarish.

>>739008187
You do know most of the greatest advances in recent history were made by Capitalists? All systems are inherently flawed, but if you can't even exist because wackos keep stealing all of the power then yeah, your system is flimsy. Now go get a job and follow something worthwhile.

>>739008119
Ironically, change some of the words and it fits for Trump quite well.

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>>739001605
looks like shit

>>739008313
>>739008372
>>739008409
I'm not endorsing pure socialism or pure capitalism I think they're foolish ideals that can't exist in reality. Just commenting how there's force inherent/implied in the system. They've tamed the human race we're essentially at their mercy.

>>739008601
I noticed you couldn't refute a single point.
Here, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're making sure I'm serious. I am.
I'll even hold your hand a little.
>Saying that someone in the deep past held your ideology is impossible, because your ideology didn't exist then
Hence, the Muhammad analogy.
There weren't enough people together at one time for it to even exist as an idea.
The Indus Valley civilisation however - our best records of that were clay tablets with trade and inventory info on them. So even at the first recorded large civilisation, pro-capitalism was in existence. Funny that.

So yeah, seriously, try to refute it.

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>>739001605
>workers unite
Awesome now get a job and be one of those workers.

>>739003561
But comsuming the oroducts of corporations responsible for the same numbers of deaths is fine because LOL WHAT ARE YOU, A CUCK?!?!

>>739008281
>implying that all early human communes were violent
>implying that just because some mammals are assholes, that all must be and we are 100% doomed
Get a load of this edgy "we are worth nothing" bullshit

>>739008609
Oтъeби́cь пeдик.

>>739008502
>implying that's what I meant
I agree with what you are saying, comrade.

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>>739008509
>muh space race

>>739008568
>crashing
What was 2009?

>>739009156
Well I'm no state capitalist Maoist so I was just demonstrating my beliefs, I'm a Leninist not some revisionist self justifying maoist

>>739007117
>tfw you pay a capitalist money to ruin your body just to let others you don't support capitalism.

>>739009029
>we are worth nothing
Wrong, we're just products of our nature. We can beat most of it (laws against violence, etc.) but it doesn't get rid of it. That's my point.

>all early human tribes were violent
>calling them communes isn't correct because they weren't
>even if we're just like mammals, we're not doomed because we are mammals and we're the most successful animal on the planet
How is that asserting that we're doomed?

>>739005650
"Economically"?
You do realize how good this system is?
It'd be even better if it were more capitalist.
Case in point Musks new rail system is cheaper and more effective than the government planned one.
Made more ground too.

>>739001605
um technically nah

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>>739008658
>because wackos keep stealing all the power
Are you describing the United States?

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>>739001605
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SSKRLZSzCXA

>>739009481
Bwhahahahahah Musk doesn't have a rail system faggot. He had an idea that several groups of scam artists are currently milking

>>739002779
>look how cool and tough I am

>>739008951
>hold my hand
Aww, thanks dad.
I'm not refuting that "communism" hasn't been successful on large scales. It hasn't. I'm saying that the traditional way of going about "communism" is problematic. When you change everyone's ideals, then you can install the society.

>>739009591
>deflecting this hard
Looks like I win.

>>739009404
I support Lenin and all, but sometimes he did some well questionable things, no?

>>739009458
It was a bit of an exaggeration, and I don't entirely disagree with what you are saying.

>>739010091
Not in my opinion, I feel that he and stalin's decisions were justified for the circumstances they were in.

>>739009904
Which is the problem. It's what Stalin and Mao tried to do. "The New Soviet Man",or the "Cultural Revolution".
It's a core problem of Marxism - addressed as religion and capitalism by Marx of course.

The thing is is that Communism lost the civil debate, so it will always - always - need violence to try and change society.
Considering that personal liberty and freedoms are a part of capitalist democracies, that's why it'll never work, and why it was rejected.

>>739009481
>one rail system as evidence
I can literally cite global poverty. And you choose a fucking rail system saying we need more capitalism? Fuck off, Hayek.

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>Workers Unite
>Never held, nor ever will, hold a blue collar job
>Claims to be a socialist
>Stands to lose the most if socialism is ever implemented

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>>739002197
Hey comrades let's stick it to the man

>>739009974
>deflecting
I made my point, and your response is that I am deflecting? Do you realize how stupid you look?

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>>739010245
That's correct goy

>>739001605
Communism, the 168 year old ideology currently filled with people who arrogantly declare it to have all the answers to our problems, yet have nothing to show for it. I couldn't think of a bigger waste to tattoo on you OP, but at least we know who to avoid.

>>739010245
Stalin was a deranged lunatic. He is what fucked the USSR.

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>>739001605

>>739010613
B-but rage against the machine told me he was a great guy

>>739010245
>Kills millions and all the original revolutionaries
>justified

>>739010502
>You embrace Communism and you call me stupid?
^How you're trying to argue right now.

>>739010322
But, look at rising suicide and depression rates among young 1st world country citizens. It indicates a lack of something. And it's not going to get better, it will get to the point where people are in agreement that society needs to be changed.

>>739010818
Yeah, they will agree. And I know that Marxists are waiting in the wings.
Of course it'll just fail again if it's allowed to come to fruition, so that's why it shouldn't be allowed.

>>739010818
Lol,
>peepil r sad so lez bi cummyinist
Man, I remember when I was 11.

>>739010741
>wut
I am a Marxist, please come again.

>>739001605

>Does /b like my tattoo? Communism for the win, am I right?

no ur left

>>739011294
>I am a retard
Ftfy

>>739011294
Gr8 b8 m8

>>739011078
>criticizes authoritarianism
>ban that ideology, I don't like it!

>>739011155
>implying that this is indicative of the general feelings in society

>>739011494
Lol I didn't say it should be banned. Society shouldn't allow it - it should be rejected again, and again, and again.

I like how you implicitly admitted that Marxism relies on authoritarianism though.

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>>739001605
Kek disapproves of your degeneracy. Your complimentary cunt punch is on the way.

>>739001605

NYET

There's no such thing as "communism" in the West. If you want to really be a communist, live in an actual communist country, fucking posers.

cool af

>>739011588
>If think it, everybody does
What do you want to be when you grow up, little man?

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>>739001605

Wayyyy too edgy for as young as you are, don't ever let it be seen at any job in a business you don't own. At least the tattoo is well applied. Where did you get it done?

>>739006810
Your tattoo is pretty damn gay though.

>>739011621
My point was you can't scream about people expressing free thought, and claim to be a democratic libertarian.
>admitted
Yes. Marxism relies on authoritarianism. You must be a detective!

>>739011653
>>>/pol/

>>739011751
>actual communist country
Where would that be exactly?

>>739010366
you realize, of course, that communist societies were more impoverished than their capitalist counterparts right?

>>739011788
>if the facts don't support what I'm saying, I call them opinions
Thanks Kellyanne Conway.

>>739012674
Yes. But the reasons behind that wasn't because it's a "shitty system" but embargos and other things that suppressed it.

>>739012748
Babby still trying to reason his failed pipe dream is worthwhile, so cute. Alright kid, you're gonna have to leave now, the website is for 18+.

>>739012446
Oh I'm not screaming about the expression of free though, I'm arguing against a disgusting failure of a social and economic system.

Oh I should also note than you whining about free thought is pure irony that I think you're blind to. In your utopia, you'd be buried alive (seriously, read the Gulag Archipelago) for expressing such freedom.
You can freely express your thought - my arguing against it isn't infringing on it. And it's a shit thought, so it deserves to be torn apart.

>>739005267
yum yum redpill these commufags

>>739012882
>can't feed their populace
>but embargos!

no. it doesn't matter how shit your country is, if you control literally all of the resources in that country and cannot provide food, water, and shelter for your people then it's the fault of the government, not of other countries.

>>739012882
Retard.
>East and West Germany.

The commies had plenty of trade between themselves, friendly countries, and capitalist ones too. USSR wasn't fucking Cuba.

>>739012569
Best Korea
Zimbabwe
Cuba

so yeah, three of the most successful, peaceful, and free countries on the planet.

>>739012899
>babby
>literally no arguments besides that I might be young
Nice job, kid.

wait under communism, I get free stuff and can spend my days shitposting on b/? Please comrade tell me more, I am ready to sign up and kill millions.

>>739013075
>implying I find the USSR a utopia
You have cited the Gulag Archipelago like 10 times. It sounds like maybe you don't know what you are talking about, just echoing points from a book. Identity politics at its best.

>>739013316
>implying that I think they aren't at fault also
I'm saying the embargos and things put icing on the cake of some of the leaders greed.

>>739013402
see
>>739013765

>>739013403
>implying they are communism

>>739013613
Anon, I might have to report you if you keep posting but I don't wanna do that.

>>739013920
Embargoes had nothing to do with the failure of the USSR and the sphere they controlled.

>>739013856
you literally said:
>Yes. But the reasons behind that wasn't because it's a "shitty system" but embargos and other things that suppressed it.

so yeah, you blamed the embargos and other international action taken. were the leaders to blame in almost all of these circumstances? yeah, absolutely. but guess what? the leaders were allowed to take power BECAUSE of that shitty system.

>>739013965
>NOT REAL COMMUNISM

seriously, if you tankies are gonna fall back on the "no true Scotsman" fallacy every time this discussion happens, you might as well not even be involved in the conversation.

>>739007865
Well, yeah, obviously the bankers and oligarchs aren't big fans.

>>739014370
Not that guy but the soviets by definition weren't Communist so you lost there.

>>739014550
and the United States, by definition, isn't capitalist.

see, it works both ways.

>>739001605

You have zero muscle, why on earth would you want people to see such a shitty tattoo on your little arm?

>>739014827
Not sure what kind of point you're trying to prove here.

>>739001605
>communism, actually winning anything

kek

>>739001605
Fuck out on 2ch, russian cock sucker.

>>739001605
>"workers"
>has the body of a lazy slob
socialist revolutions will never be a thing anymore, people are raised to be weak and apathetic. whoever this idiot is treats communism like a sports team and probably spends half of his days watching tv or on a computer.

>>739014160
Report for what? Have you even read the rules?

>>739014976
that you don't get to deny an example of your system just because it doesn't neatly fit your definition of it.

was the USSR strictly communist? no, they weren't. however, they fell into the strata of communist governments that have existed since the philosophy was founded by Marx.

same with the US. are they strictly capitalist? nope, but they fall into the strata of capitalist governments.

>>739014160
>>739015216
lol, he must think that Nigerian shrimp farming forums work like reddit

>>739014173
The USSR was a fuck up. But, saying US influence had no effect would be ignorant.

>>739001605
That tattoo will identify you now, and for the rest of your life, to the entire world, that you are a blue pilled cuck.

Nice work.

>>739015265
Bruh, USSR is the opposite of Communism, the only way you could use that as an example against the commies is that Marxism is too flimsy and will therefore gives way to governments like USSR rather than state USSR is communism.

>>739015216
Clearly you haven't, kids aren't supposed to be here.

>>739001605
I disagree with the tat but the tat itself is pretty cool.

>>739014275
Ok. Let's say everything you said was correct. You wouldn't be open to trying anything remotely close to a "failed" ideology

Hey, faggots, look up Marx's ten goals of International Communism. The modern West has embraced nearly all of them.

USA = about 80% Marxist Communism

>>739014370
Is your response "well you say that every time" because if it is you are being pretty hypocritical.

>>739015487
>>>/pol/

>>739015686
I am 33. I worked at a refrigerator plant in Illinois. It's gone, die to corporations. Now, I have taken out loans and am studying political philosophy and computer programming. Work a night shift as a security guard. Any questions?

>>739006900
>you're right
>but i'm still right
massive faggot

>>739016327
Lol, ok it was my mistake to assume you were 11, but 13 is still too young. Sorry kid.

>>739016079
Cuckmeat detected
Don't you have some safe space to be in?

>>739015594

>Bruh, USSR is the opposite of Communism

Communism:a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

so yeah, the USSR was communist.

>>739016327
>any questions
can you get me a job?

>>739016764
I like how you left out classless, stateless, without money, and where the workers own the means of production. Dude, you lost that part of the argument, and that's ok, you didn't know. Accept it and move on.

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>>739001605
>>739001924

>>739015734
>Let's say everything you said was correct.

the implication there is that there's something wrong with what I said. care to explain?

>You wouldn't be open to trying anything remotely close to a "failed" ideology

where were you going with that? i feel like that was an incomplete thought.

>>739016970
Security gigs are pretty easy to get, but you may need to be licensed depending on your state and the gig.

>>739016970
No, you should just work harder you lazy commie. Duh.

Communists are idiots....

>>739015928
>Is your response "well you say that every time" because if it is you are being pretty hypocritical.

in this thread, each time someone has brought up the failings of former communist governments, some anon has used that logical fallacy. how is that being hypocritical?

>>739017341
Powerful post.

>>739009336
[stands in breadline]

>>739017114
>Well shit, USSR didn't "work" so let's do the polar opposite and Hayek some shit up
Is this how you feel?
Also, I don't want to argue about "failed communism" because it's just ends up in a stalemate battle of:
>it's stupid
>nuh uh you made it stupid
>nuh uh it's stupid
>nuh uh
>so on and so forth

>>739017399
Not that guy but it isn't a logical fallacies. If Communist has "government" next to it then it isn't Communism.

>>739001605
why'd you get a black power symbol tattooed on your arm?

>>739001605
this is the problem the problem with the current information policies if i knew a fucking leftie with hif fucked up agenda and his fucked up friends i would end them all.

>>739016984
>I like how you left out classless, stateless, without money, and where the workers own the means of production

that would be communisms' ultimate goal, not the definition which covers the broad spectrum of different communist schools of thought.

like I said, they weren't strictly communist, but they fell into the strata of communist governments.

if you want to stick to your train of thought, then you need to accept that communists are fighting a system that doesn't exist, because there are no countries whose economic systems strictly fall into the "capitalist" category.

>>739006519
"My dude"

Lol not even gay, but when this anarchy before the communism comes, i will rest assured that u have a dig ol bick in your mouth

Think about jail, then think about u. I want communism, but I'm an animal ready for anarchy. Really hope u live by me <3

Funny how you never see political tattoos on an arm that actually has any muscle in it.

Anyone would give their only begotten son for democracy.

The end justifies the means comrade.

Cold War 2.0 This time their on our side!

Show me a capitalist and I will show you a bloodsucker.

What do I believe...well then. What day is it? Saturday. I don't buy into the days man. That Gregorian calendar shit is been played out feel me? Making me buzz like a bee as it were. That's why I plan all my affairs by the moon. Got to stay in the natural cycles bruh. That's why Russia was so quick on that moon run. Trying to break breads with the gods a real twisted ritual. As a world citizen I don't get involved in political charades. But on that note it is raining in the rain forest.

>>739017710
>If Communist has "government" next to it then it isn't Communism.

then what you're saying is that communism can only work on a small scale, and that it can't have any way of enforcing it's edicts on others?

because if not you're using the same logical fallacy I just mentioned.

>>739006900
Just shut the fuck up, and be wrong, and fucking learn from it you fucking nigger

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>>739001605
yeah nazism is pretty cool too

>>739018434
I'm saying it's devoid of government, it's defined by Karl Marx stateless i.e. no government. Instead Communism is run by a total democracy where the will of the people exists as the deciding factor.

>>739017673
>Is this how you feel?

no, and I was never even talking about that. we were talking about communist countries, and how they were more impoverished than their capitalist counterparts. you blamed embargos, I said that was a bullshit excuse, and here we are.

>Also, I don't want to argue about "failed communism" because it's just ends up in a stalemate battle of:

as far as I'm seeing it turns into:

>wasn't real communism
>yes it was
>no it wasn't

so on and so forth. so let's clarify: are you copping out on defending communism?

>>739004037
>seize the means of production
>the conglomerate you work for vanishes
>you end up jobless because luxuries like fast food don't exist under communism
>you get sent to the gulag cause your burger flipping ass clearly isn't smart enough for the politburo

Thank you, Communism.

>>739006315
Zapatistas

show me a capitalist society that didn't need any socialism

you will need ten armies of trained speez knots to untie the slipknot on leftists empty skulls,have at it,
you leftists love upheaval caused by your fellow cemented in gubbermint pals who along with the fake press lie about the true nature of this open borders for the poor dear immigrants who want ( sob) only a better life ( sob again here)
your biggest laboratory of your goofy belief system was the US, the stronger more numerous hinterlanders want your crap sliced diced and put where it will do good,into the furnace. good luck with the cause.
do shit like window breaking car overturning throwing crap at cops,you will be found and dealt with,unless you are in california chicago,, ya might try getting a jay oh bee,

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>>739018823
>I'm saying it's devoid of government

uh huh

>Communism is run by a total democracy

you don't know what government actually is do you?

here, i'll help you out:
>A government is the system to govern a state or community
or
>Government is the means by which state policy is enforced, as well as the mechanism for determining the policy of the state

so guess what. if community decisions are made based on total democracy, you have a fucking government.

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>>739001605

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>caring about politics

>>739001605
Me gusta. To the gulag with all the naysayers.

>>739019054
Those were agrarians.

>>739019054
Kurdistan

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>>739004037
all those fat art students with with weird hair that like to knock over garbage bins

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>>739001605
nice tattoo anon

Nice to see the communist party of kek is still here

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>>739001605
Absolutely helicopter

>>739019476
your saying they didnt have weekends off?
>>739019476

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>>739001605
You're a fucking loser

>>739019859
>Assuming this much

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>>739019617
You do realize kek which was basically started on pol/ is a national socialist board. Come up with your own culture you fags

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>>739019922
>people who embrace communism are cool
They're not. They're complete and total degenerates.

>>739001605

i thought it meant you wanted to be fisted by a black guy.

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>>739020266
>>739020115

>Looking at all these pathetic commies in the comments.

Everyone turns poor in communism. Why don't you retards see that? You aren't gonna be some military or politician leader. Your lazy ass is gonna work in a factory. This whole "we fight for the poor" is said by every dictator. every. single. one. Shit isnt gonna change. It never worked and it never will "b-b-b-but It wasn't real communism people just got greedy and abused the system" yeah that's what happens when you give too much power to the govt

>>739020115
kek started on WOW because if you're horde and you type in lol alliance members see it as kek.

people have been using that shit for more than a decade. but you'd have known that if you'd actually get out of your own echo box every once in a while snowflake.

>>739007117
How does it feel knowing that the millions of people who died under Stalin would most likely be you? Pathetic filth you honestly think you would of made it. lol

>>739020424
Zapatistas

They're even anchro-communistic and they have lasted for at least 20 years and counting

>>739020580
are they actually a stand alone society? or do they exist under the umbrella of the mexican government which the so often fight against?

>>739009336
>fast forward to 2017
U.S. still has a space station and is helping the world find out about outer space
USSR 2017: error 101 piece of shit communism collapsed so party not found

>>739020484
bur, gotta laugh so hard when people think kek comes from anywhere else than wow.

>>739020484
I'm talking about the kekistan culture you retard not that WoW piece of shit term.

>>739020873
Same to you dumbass>>739020823

>>739020747
They don't get any support from the Mexican government and no other nation helps them. You might as well call them there own state as the Mexican government still "claims" that land but Chiapas acts as its own state

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>>739020392
Was this suppose to be a "gotcha bitch" comeback?

It's amazing how communism is cool enough to get tattoed on yourself but a natsoc tattoo is considered racist. Kinda strange considering how communism killed way more people than the nazis did. It's almost like there is an agenda out there :^)

>>739020873
>kekistan culture
pls just stop.

>>739020873
>not that WoW piece of shit term.

you're the betas that attached that wow piece of shit term on your "culture".

>I'm talking about the kekistan culture

you mean shitposter culture, which literally came from the entire fucking internet. which, again, you'd know if you ever left your echobox snowflake.

>>739021077
It's even funnier how ally troops especially England act as if they fought the Germans cause they cared about Poland when in fact after the German defeat they left Poland to fend off for themselves and fight the Soviets all alone. They won (thank god) but it goes to show you that ww2 was never about what the allys say it is. Hitler kicked out the Jewish banks and did other things to piss off the kikes and churchill then the jews saw the opportunity to attack Germany when they entered poland.

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>>739021149
Yeah you know the whole fucking frog thing you dumbass? Or are you purposely acting retarded?

>>739021374
dont ruin that 15yr childs dream of 4chan. he gonna cry soon.

>>739020873
>kekistan culture

just a guess, but you're like... 15 right?

>>739021558
go on with your autism.

>>739021374
>continues to play dumb
No specifically the kekistan culture that created and uses the green frog and creates memes out of pepe. Stop trying to play stupid you idiot. Kekistan pepe is a culture in of itself it's comepletely seperated from WoW despite using the word kek

>>739021731
>continues to play dumb
that wasnt me you dumb fuck.

>>739021558
>Yeah you know the whole fucking frog thing you dumbass?

lol, you mean that thing that was being used as a react on imageboards before /pol/ even existed?

>>739021618
>what are yeeeew lyke uuuuuh 15
No. Nice try at trying to recover from looking like an idiot. Also stop replying to yourself

>>739021884
>No. Nice try at trying to recover from looking like an idiot. Also stop replying to yourself
you talk to 2 different people.

Kys fucking commie