How does the world actually work ??? not talking about politics

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>>738965903
w're all energy redirectors

>>738966018
do we not like energy ?
why is it necessary that we redirect energy by our fundamental design ?

>>738965903
That's a question no one knows and probably no one ever will. At the highest levels of science the greatest minds quiety find a great discomfort in the fact that most of the foundations of our knowledge are based on something which isn't understood - but just seems to "work".

So it's down to your interpretation, and your guess is mine. I vote biological simulation something along the lines of Chis Langans CTMU

>>738965903
If you think "metaphorical foundations of reality" is a cogent thought then you probably don't have to mental capacity to understand even the most simple of this shit

>>738965903
The world is like it is that's why you can even think about that question it's all about if earth wasn't good for life you wouldn't exist like if the universe doesn't work then you couldn't ask that question everything is just as it is and thats why its like that.

>>738965903

You're from the future playing your ancestor in a simulation. You choose to be here and you have no influence over the outcome as the history has already been played out by your ancestor.

You could be a thousands of you could be 500 years ahead of this point. However there is only so many of us playing this simulation, some people are just AI of the characters that lived during this point based on the collected and generated information.

I wouldn't worry about life, just enjoy the roller coaster and keep on thinking your choices are your own. Besides you paid good money for this holiday, enjoy it.

>>738966709
he might be trying to make the premise of the thread simple so that more people join in on the discussion?

>>738966709
drunk as fuck bro, words/cognition isnt representing itelsef in properly writting form.

>>738967010
>. Besides you paid good money for this holiday, enjoy it.
sure, i like the simulation theory. but the fact that our future selves might be paying or opting in to simulate our heritage is bogus. is life in the future so different that our only hope to experience relief is by simulating our "simpler past"? i'd rather buy space drugs

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>>738966709
Looks like someone has some growing up to do

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>>738965903
cause and effect is a greater God than even man could try to rub against, the dimensions have different density of information and different rates of speed at which they operate. in each dimension where we exist our cause and effect drives us to avoid distruction of selves and our distopias are sad and numerous. but the god of man is often irrelevent in the face of the vastness of the universe and a God singing cause and effect across a domain of a tiny possibility we grow to be angels to the hope of the best incarnation of ourselves. we generally snuff ourselves out in our cosmic crib and are not missed.

>>738965903
Drink Ayahuasca or Smoke "Sapito" (Meo-5Dmt) and ask.

A ride to the end and beggining

>>738965903
The world is governed by basic physical laws, which leads to emergent phenomena. Now, the laws of physics are great for describing simple systems, but everyday life isn't simple. We can't understand every part of everything. One way to think of this is like when you drive your car, you don't think about everything that is going on under the hood and in the power train or about the airflow around it or about the radio you're listening to.

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>>738967399
we do tend to suck, dont we? cant help too much or you have a stupid dependant population. so many dimensions are left to die.

>>738967220

Just enjoy playing the whiny cunt of an ancestor. When your done you get to go back to all your family and explain why you kept looking at cheese pizza all the time. Awkward!

>>738965903
It runs on science.

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>>738965903
We live in the 3rd dimension, everything that happenes here is the outcome of what happens in the higher dimensions.

>>738967682
watupppp ma candyass!!

everything is random and complete chance.

there is no order.

The earth is one self regulating organism.

឴ ឴ ឴▲
▲ ▲

† religion is humanities first attempt at philosophy, some people find the answers so convenient they fail to move past it †

>>738967598
have already done this,

saved my friend from suicide during, as well as experiencing the "big crush/big bang"

i was asked to enter a "building" that was red rock-like and completely isolated, however i was to to afraid to do so

physics

>>738966644
what? quantum mechanics and general relativity are well understood

>>738965903
Nigga gravity, the weak nuclear force and the strong nuclear force. Also electromagnetiam

Fuckin summer in here

>>738968056
yeah hallucinogens are not a good way to acquire knowledge

>>738968027
>everything is random and complete chance.

You never heard of quantum physics do you?
Everything is at balance and has perfect order.
This Reality is programmed and created by someone or most likely by ourselfs.
Infinite Consciouss Energy.
This is a Virtual Reality, if you dont see that go back to your sleep you filthy fucking peasant.

>>738965903
>>738965903
Magnets
No amount of Dudeweedlmao will change it, it always comes back to magnets

>>738968027
why are you triggering acid memories ?

>>738968210
>perfect order
no, it just has some order. amplitudes are not perfectly ordered.

>>738968210
quantum mechanics needs no programmer lol it arises naturally from simple principles.

>>738968238
magnets dont explain gravity

>>738968171
>>
Faggot alert, faggot alert, faggot alert. Too scared to do a psychedelic. Fucking pussy.

>>738968390
yur dum

>>738968171
i word for word stated a conversation that had yet to be happened whilst on dmt, friend legit thought i was crazy until it actually happened. dont have any memory of it though.

that being said, any "knowledge" acquired during hallucinogenics are taken with a grain of salt. That being said, i still have alot of confusion about that conversation with a friend.

if it was just me with this knowledge, i would completely disregard it, however the dual acknowledgement creeps me out.

>>738968390
ive done plenty. also know how they work. hallucinogens are not a good way to acquire new knowledge

>>738968210

i've heard of quantum physics yes.

ever heard of entropy you fucking retard?

>'this reality is programmed by someone else'

this is just as ridiculous as believing in god you idiot, who the fuck 'programmed' the world?

daaamn you're stupid.

>>738968446
yeah gonna call bullshit

>>738968446
bullshit

>>738968446
dont believe you

>>738968241

speaking the truth my friend.

deja vu is all, you've known this all along

>>738968446
prove it faggot

>>738965903
Thats a difficult question my dear anon. One we may never answer.

Evolution gives us a limit on perception. Enough to eat and fuck. Its possible we cant actually wrap our heads around how it all works. It could be bloody simple and still too abstract to possibly comprehend.

Consider we only have 3 colour cones to a mantis shrimps (16? Cant remember). We cant even see everything with out own eyes.


Or consider the fact its argued bats *see with sound*. Light is waves and gives us vision. Sound is waves, and bats echolocate. There is no reason why evolution cant give them a picture like our vision using sound waves, where colours represent surfaces. (imagine all solid objects are red. All hollow are blue. All fuzzy are green. Helps them identify prey, landing areas, caves...) this isnt proven fact, just something entirely possible.
Now, our best and brightest scientists believe the universe has 11 dimensions. We perceive 4 (length width height and time). Its easier to picture if you understand computer programming and arrays.


Im not sure if this has been directly observed, but the math of the universe doesnt make sense, and some bizarre confirmed phenomenon in labs dont work without it either.

So the math shows us there may be 7 more spacial dimensions on top of what we can possibly perceive.


How it all works? Fuck if we know and fuck if we'll find out. All i know is its crazy town.


I for one believe if they made an ai smarter than humans, or even as smart, flipped it on, and unleashed it on the internet and all studies and all science and all demographics and all conversations, itll find patterns we could never possibly find in about 5 seconds, and it will draw new conclusions.


I think thats when we'll find out the truth. Itll have a basic mathematic formula for everything.

>>738968480
>>738968493
>>738968547
>>738968561

faggots that know its imposssible for me to prove it. i did save my friend from suicide though so fuck you guys.

>>738968475
Its a simulation you filthy retard.
Modern Science is already accepting this.
Fucking idiot.

>>738968738
then it isn't true

>>738968738
you didnt need magic before hand knowledge to do that anonymous you did it all on your own! be proud of it!

>>738968704
Side fun fact:

Someone made a computer program that predicts when and where crime will happen. It alerts police and dispatches them to the area.

Two things happened. One, the police who go never see anything. Two... Crime in the test city inexplicably dropped a significant amount, suggesting police presence may have deterred it.

Google that shit man i swear its real.

I think it was called "the future of policing."

Im busy cleaning and procrastinating. But if i find down time ill even go find my source for you. Even if i dont, could.be a fun research project for your interests.

>>738968758
no it isnt just a bunch of idiots

>>738968792
you are really mangling that concept lol

>>738965903
>metaphorical foundations of reality.
What?

>>738968797
Yea trusted scientist all over the world are idiots, but youre not.
Fucking idiot.

>>738968758

>"THE WORLD IS A SIMULATION"

you sound like a schizophrenic going through a period of delusion.

stop before you embarrass yourself further

>>738968446
Ill shine a bit of light...

Drugs like that are known for combatting depression.

One of the things that happen neurologically is the brain loses its ability to define you as a seperate entity while high.

The brain is constantly trying to make sense of things and report whatever. (see, any hallucination, optical illusions.)
Without a sense of self it makes sense of its consciousness by just declaring you must be everything.


That gives people an immense sense of community, meaning, and self value even if they are aware of the brain failure involved.

>>738968946
N.P.C much?

>>738968820
How so?

>>738968907
name them

>>738968946
You have no knowledge about physics you idiot.
The reason why physic exist is because its programmed.
I dont even have to argue that this is a Simulation with you anyway mf.
Keep being asleep.
Filthy Shit eating motherfucker that rubs his dick against shit to be able to jerk off because your innerself is pure fucking shit itself.

>>738969020
no they are not. they are not known to combat depression. hallucinogens are NOT proven to help in the same way ketamine or other chemicals are.

just because you druggies THINK they help doesn't mean they DO compared to placebo

Life is just another state of matter, under the right physical conditions it arises because life is just a collection of chemical reactions.
Think of consciousness like an eagle claw, its an evolutionary development that came up and proved useful so it stayed in the genetic pool, but a claws job is to rip flesh, not analyze things abstractedly and give meaning like consciousness does, so a claw cannot ponder the meaning of being a claw, or the meaning of life, or how the world actually works.

In truth a Robot designed to pass butter would not have a crisis because he was made to pass butter, not ponder on abstract concepts like meaning or purpose.

>>738969057
because the cops often DID catch crimes in progress it wasn't like they showed up and nothing happened every time

>>738969073
again how is it programmed? All of the physics we know of arise naturally from boundary conditions

>>738969026

Non-player Character?

sure... sure

>>738969058
Elon Musk, Michou Kaku, Isaac Isomov do i need to continue?
You can do your own research you lazy fucking shit eater

>>738968946
that aquard moment you are a unlockible character but no-one is doing the side missions.

>>738969114
not if he was given TOO MUCH abstract thought and yet had a shitty purpose. then he would hate himself

>>738969161
Do you mean Isaac Asimov, who was a science fiction writer?

>>738969161
Elon Musk is not a scientist he is an engineer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KK_kzrJPS8

>>738969161
>Michou Kaku
Do you mean Michio Kaku?

>>738969161
you listed three people and got all three wrong

>>738969216
>writer and professor of biochemistry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

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>>738969073

hahahaha

>filthy shit eating motherfucker

Is this your brain resorting to insults because it cant compute anything else? do i sense cognitive dissonance?

i feel sorry for you bro

>>738969267
Are you a retard or just pretending to be?

>>738969284
Yes you may notice the
>writer
part is the part where those theories comes from. also you got his name wrong. three for three

>>738969320
he literally got all three wrong thats just a fact

>>738968559
not OP

but that dejavu quote resonates more than youll ever know....

any further advice for a seeking anon ?

>>738966154
Its by our fundamental design. To stay alive we break chemical bonds to release energy and harness it to redirect it to something of use for us.

>>738968946
shit gtfo

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>>738969161

holy fuck

>>738969349
de ja vu has a known neurological cause it is not indicative of some reality bending concepts

>>738969298
Thats how i talk to shit eater, since 90% of the post and the user here are shit eater with no social abilities since youre all deppressed fat virgin fucks for eternity because again, youre shit eater and pedophiles and also gore motherfuckers can suck my dick i would torture the shit out of one of you

>>738969396
right?

There is an energy balance. We will move to entropy in time. The whole universe together is completely in balance, and everything within it is just trying to find it's way back to a state of singularity.

Maybe life is just the extreme effect of the wave from singularity to chaos. How the chaos came to exist, I have no idea. What could cause a singularity to explode when the singularity is all there is?

>>738969432
the universe is not in balance, it literally is a known false vacuum

>>738969432
Because it was unbalanced, same as the universe is now. That's why it is expanding.

>>738969108
Im not a druggy.
And ive done much research on this.

Its showing a lot of promise. And it should make sense.

If depression and illnesses are related to brain chemistry, then surely something that meddles with brain chemistry can fix it the way other things can damage it.

All drugs damage all things all the time, your attitude, actually rationally makes a shit tonne less sense.


Stop listening to the dea. These are literally people with their entite livelihoods at risk. Of course theyll continue to fund total anti drug propaganda and psa programs.

Not even entirely sure i blame them. Thats a lot of jobs and families at risk. Bias is highly likely.

>>738968704
>>738968792

is this a coincidence that i consider my entire lifes purpose is to develop ai ?

>>738969161
>Isaac Isomov
>Michio Kaki
How high are you?

>>738969499
you cannot claim that it has that mechanism of action dude there is NO RESEARCH to support it

>>738969131
Unless theyre spotted, and people think "ah shit nah" and then rethink it later.

Look its definitely not confirmed and totally untestable if the crimes never happened.

But a correlation like that does give you pause.

>>738969423

see my previous post about resorting to rambling insults because your brain cant accept that your beliefs are inherently flawed >>738969298

you just proved my point man, thanks :)

>>738969511
no because you are also stupid

>>738969499
yes and we know what chemicals do that. they are called "antidepressants" and "ketamine". Not hallucinogens.

>>738969568
no it doesn't because it says nothing about the CAUSATION.

>>738965903
10 dimensions m8, that's all there is to it

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>comes to /b/
>asks meaning of life, the universe, everything
>not one "42" in the lot

>>738969624
11 actually, for M theory

>>738969157
>boundary conditions
yeah, boundary conditions exist when in theory they should be observed as "infinite"

>>738969758
no they dont look into inflation fields nigga

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>>738969570
>>738969423

destroyed

top kek

>>738969758
that is not at all what the theories predict you are woefully inadequate at understanding physics

>>738969638
0-point
1-line
2-square
3-cube
4-cube moving in time
5-includes every way the cube could possibly move
6-?
7-?
8-?
9-?
10-?
11-?
I used to know all of them, help a pal out wouldja

>>738969161
it does not matter we are of the material out universe is made of at the moment. we are not trapped in it we are of it.

>>738965903
>metaphorical foundations of reality
OP, you better just be retarded, holy shit.

>Thats a difficult question my dear anon.
Nigger, how the fuck are you answering to the metaphorical foundations of reality with quantitative measures? The fuck? Does anyone read? Photons exist, we see them, but can't see them individually, you dumb nigger. God damn it. God fuck it. Fuck god it. You fuck. You absolute fuck. Fuck you.

>>738969073
There are better people to defend the argument of a simulated universe and you are not one of them.

>>738965903
Learn to quark and string

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>>738969792
Insecure Schizophrenic guy spotted

>>738965903
I can tell you how the World works.
Everything is in balance. So tigers can go hunt but there prey does not extinkt. We are destroying this balance because we are the only race which thinks to know what is right and what is wrong. We decided that endless growth is right and as long we are thinking this we will destroy the world further.
Thats how the world works.
And up is down and left is right everything is connected and the same but we distinkt everything from each other that why we cant see the world as it is.

Daniel quinn: Ismael
a very good book which explains why the world is as it is.
And Alan Watts. That is it
All the rest you need to know

>>738969233
you don't know what engineer mean. Also Musk has BS in physics, and was studing to get PhD.

>>738969807
those are wrong as fuck after 3

Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercube

>>738969921
You don't understand what a BS is. It doesn't make you a scientist.

>>738969921
>engineer
>BS
>PhD
Summer.

N I G G E R S
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>>738969073
There's not evidence supporting the simulation theory

There's some evidence the universe is a hologram, but that's doesn't mean it's a holodeck. It just means that 3D is an illusion.

>>738969550
>no research

Well you are definitely 100% wrong about that. Its extremely well studied. So now come a little further and reevaluate more of your beliefs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4104707/

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2215036616300657

https://hub.jhu.edu/2016/12/01/hallucinogen-treats-cancer-depression-anxiety/
Also, mdma has entered third phase testing for ptsd.

You wouldnt deny our soldiers effective treatment, would you?

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v12n3/12305dob.html

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-fda-just-approved-the-largest-clinical-trial-on-ecstasy-to-date

>>738969847
clearly you dont read ma nigga
>>738967150

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>>738967399
>>738967657
is not fun to think about, so is ignored.

>>738969953
why it doesn't?

>>738970166
>PTSD
>depression

you just confused two very different illnesses. You've lost all credibility.

>>738970262
undergrads don't do research

>>738970331
>confused two very different illnesses

>proceedes to indicated he knows the effects of hallucigens effects on brain chemistry.

the simple answer is neither of you know, and the fact that your portraying your correct over your verbal opponent means the general populace shouldn't trust your opinion.

>>738969623
Im essentially saying that brother. "Gives you pause" does not mean "ITS TRUE!!!"

Im.also being skeptical, but seems a lot of experts that are smarter than you and I are putting a lot time and money into developing and implenting this.

Trusting it fully would be stupid. More study is needed. But even stupider is saying "nope!!!! I dont believe it. Cant possibly be true."

The amount of progress lost over that attitude. Open up just a little, man.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/predictive-policing-discriminatory-police-crime-2016-10

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/crimeradar-rio-app-predict-crime

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/can-predictive-policing-prevent-crime-it-happens
Anyway heres some sources. The universe is math and a machine can find obscure patterns we never could. Give a machine data to analyse and it will find the most bizarre shit. And sometimes that information can be astounding, surprising, and most of all useful.

>>738970347
They can, but it's rare.

>>738970480
yeah its clear you know nothing

>>738970623
just like the niggers that are portraying they do.
only difference is im not ;)

>>738970170
>words/cognition isnt representing itelsef in properly writting form
Can you make that sentence make more sense? Words/cognition does not represent itself in proper written form? Is that what you meant? Did you mean
>metaphysical

Once you explain your thoughts in a more coherent manner, please explain how the metaphorical foundations of reality are of equal concern, or god willing, worth discussing alongside the physical foundations of reality.

Are you drunk?

>>738970480
Neither of them know what chemicals do to them? Anon, they have brains. They are brains. They are brains that ingest chemicals all the time, probably even hallucinogens. You don't know if they do or don't. You can't prove that they do, or that they don't. That's beyond your capacities as yourself making posts as an anon. Being upset that someone is asserting their position does not mean they are to lose all credibility or not worth listening to. That's called being underaged. An argument can involve verbal dialogue anyways, and verbal communication is effective, so I don't see why else you would feel so threatened by a dissenting
>voice
as it were, unless you were a small child, or a child's mind in a grown man's body.

>>738970331

Theres a reason i separated the ideas and sources.

And im not the one claiming credibility, im giving you actual scientific sources... Trust them, not me.


My friend im not one for ad hominem.. But if youre going to find that much of a stretch in a reason to take away my credibility when shit written by other experts, not me, is right fuckin there (from government sources even!!!!)

Brah..... That is the very definiton of extreme ignorance. You just want your beliefs, and no one can challenge it. If you won't even read whats provided to you after claiming theres "NO STUDIES" and fire back without sources of your own, you are the one without any credibility. That also makes you incredibly stupid.


You have the choice now to go back, read whats given, and consider if you might be wrong "just like all of us are sometimes." and that would make you not stupid anymore. Heck even if you provide good solid scientific sources proving me wrong, you'll gain some credibility and intelligence. You might even win!!! (note. Some studies will be anomalous. Wed have to trust a scientific CONSENSUS. And we must do so together.)

Until then, hold onto your opinions for yourself. They have no rational weight.

>>738970166
This guys right mdma was used and study by psychologist treating depression and drifting married couples in the 80s

>>738968078
Well described does not mean well understood

>>738970794
yes yes and more yes
being slightly more sober i can give it a go.

i wasn't able to fully represent my intentions with words being my state was "fucked" haha

however the metaphorical part was mainly for people to represent what they considered reality to be, without having to rely on specific representation.

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>>738965903
The truth is paradoxical in nature and impossible to put into words. It is to vast to put in just a few paragraphs too. To try so on a tibetan kite testing forum in just a few posts though is beyond retardation. So let me just give you one important fact:

Most important thing to know is that you are IT. Or whatever you want to call it (maybe God). Everything in the universe is the same. And yet, different at the same time. We're all at the center of it, myself and yourself, at the exact same time. We, as objective, absolutely separate entities, are exactly the same.

>>738971051
this is where I wish I knew the hardcore mathmatics so I could see where the theory is more and less understood

>>738970497
If you open your mind too much, everything falls out.

The universe being math does not necessarily mean anything but that the universe can be infinitely reduced to quantitative measures like qubits. A machine may be able to find obscure patterns, but this does not ever mean that you as a human being will ever understand them. A machine can work with the whole contingent data sets you feed it and make all kinds of curious, spectacular, and absolutely confusing models- or worthless ones. You're right. But that's it. And often you can just as well end up with a model comparing the stocks of copy paper to the number of butter sticks in the homes of each recorded residence.

And the machine will only be able to deal with data that we, the humans, can give it. We ultimately color what it gives us. Our bias, our scope, our way of viewing things is more important than the nodes of data it can connect, which is exactly why you don't really get any use out of a model comparing the stocks of copy paper to the number of butter sticks in the homes of each recorded residence, when you're looking for dark matter.

>>738968758

this is not true at all

there is precisely zero evidence that the universe is a simulation, most physicists do not think it is the case, and quantum physics is actually MUCH harder to simulate on a computer (and no, even quantum computer wont help very much) than classical physics so if anything modern physics makes "universe as a simulation" less likely to be true

>>738971078
Differentfag

Dont worry man. Im also drunk.

Stick to sources to do the words for you. I know from personal experience.

Forming ideas yourself right now and youll make yourself sound stupid even if youre right.

It also hurts general education if you happen to be right. Youll empower bias because these people will go forward knowing they got in an argument over something theyre wrong about with a drunk moron.


Again. Not attacking you. Empathising. Because me also.

>>738971078
I begrudgingly accept this response.

>>738971161
let me wipe that drool from your chin

>>738965903
smoke some DMT m8.

>>738969161

>Elon Musk

not a scientist

>Isaac Isomov

not even a physicist

>Michou Kaku

does not think universe is a simulation, look it up

>>738971165
You seem very smart anon.

Ill be highly respectful but i think youre so poised to think im plane wrong you arent seeing what i mean.

Correlation does not = causation. Im well aware. There is a 99% correlation with divorce rates and use of margarine over butter in some american city somewhere. I cant remember where but lets laugh together.


You have definitely sensed correctly i believe in this without enough data. But i am acknowledging theres much more study to be done.

Whether i turn out to be right or wrong, can we agree that this is extremely interesting?

>>738969161
Leaving aside the obvious mistakes with the names, at best these people simply suggested the idea that we **could** be in a simulation. If we're going off of what **could be** true, then the possibilities are practically infinite. We could be a figment of someone's imagination. We could be stuck in the matrix. We could be a brain in a vat. There could be an invisible teapot floating in space. On and on. The problem with these abstract possibilities is that they are largely unfalsifiable, which means they can't be proven either way, which means they provide absolutely nothing of value to the discussion.

>>738971367
please see
>>738968446
he said it had been done.

>>738971455
Yes.

>>738971639
Coo.

>>738971262
as i apologize for my state of drunkenness, however without stated drunkenness this thread would never have been created.

>>738969900
>Everything is in balance. So tigers can go hunt but there prey does not extinkt.
Actually, predators sometimes drive their prey to extinction in a given area. The result is that those predators need to either change prey or die.

Watch video in case of existential crisis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIVa7WEjXro

>>738971224
>quantum physics is actually MUCH harder to simulate on a computer
>quantum computer won't help very much
Let me get this straight. The machine that uses quantum mechanics to operate, won't help in learning how quantum mechanics operates?

Ah.

>classical physics
>modern physics
I recall that many physicists are thinking of starting with a clean slate after trying to solve the problem of whether or not nature is simply ugly or super-symmetrical. Modern physics can't just be classical physics, because you've mentioned quantum physics, and in terms of physics, that's a relatively new field.

I mean, these are behind a paywall, but if you've the money to put in your mouth:
http://nature.com/articles/doi:10.1038/nature22338
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v545/n7653/full/545164a.html?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20170511&spMailingID=54034702&spUserID=MjA1NzcwMjE4MQS2&spJobID=1161703249&spReportId=MTE2MTcwMzI0OQS2
Here's some cited examples of quantum physics. Things that could potentially aid the construction of quantum logic, which would be required for a quantum computer of any sort.

>>738970159
Actually, there is no evidence that the universe is an hologram.
The holographic principle allows physicists to solve some "hard" 3D problems in a dual 2D representation. But it says nothing about the nature of the universe.

>>738971162
So do I

>>738965903
Science

>>738971860
>given area.
our area is the planet and we drive everything extinkt except the animals which are usefull to us. and the other go int the zoo. so we dont need to feel bad about us killing everything

I think we're all energy in multiple 'dimensions'. We can't fully understand our nature in this way. I think ancient Zoroastrians and Egyptians may have been contacted by what would best be referred to as
Interdimensional ancient alien spirits. Over time very few prophets have bridged this connection to perform miracles that have been distorted simply to keep us guessing. Please share thoughts.

>>738972084
Not the same anon.

Also not invested emotionally in your argument. This is topic is out of my interests.

But...

Nature.com plus a pay wall? Cmon man I dont know if these are credible.

Ive used sources in other debates in this thread. Ive skipped over nature.com when it agrees with me because it just sounds off. And now youre telling me you have to pay, and its even skeevier.


If youre right i promise you will find studies from university websites and ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

>>738972084
>The machine that uses quantum mechanics to operate, won't help in learning how quantum mechanics operates?
>Ah.
This is correct. A TFT works on quantum mechanics and it doesn't help to learn how QM work in any meaningful way.

>>738965903
through politics and shit

>>738972375
Irrelevant. You asserted there was a balance between predator and prey. I showed how this balance does not exist.

>>738972556
hey you stop that

WHAT IS IT LIKE TO NOT EXPERIENCE?

>>738972095
from my understanding (albeit drunk and extremely limited)
doesn't the fact that these problems and being resolved in theoretically two dimensions, mean that the result is more likely be accurate as it presents a results that is accurate within multiple dimensions ( in the same manner as checking an value with two separate equations justifies its correctness)

>>738972427
https://arxiv.org/abs/1707.02168
https://arxiv.org/abs/1701.03387
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5353613/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5321722/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5292692/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5301495/

>>738972772
Remember before you were born? Kinda like that.

>>738972459
couldn't agree more

a "quantum" computer simply uses quantum aspects in its function to operate as a normal computer

the fact that were developing a "quantum" computer within the realms of general computing indicates other than increased processing power, it will yield no new results.

What is quantum entanglement?

>>738973000
trips

>>738973000
Sick mang. I didnt doubt it. Like i said, i dont care about what youre debating about. Just nature.com blows. Go link the other anon.

>>738972084

>Let me get this straight. The machine that uses quantum mechanics to operate, won't help in learning how quantum mechanics operates?

It will. But let me rephrase my point more precisely: Without a quantum computer, it is literally impossible to simulate the universe as we know it, as the classical computer would have to basically be infinite (or approach infinity). Even with a quantum computer, we will still need a computer much larger than the observable universe to simulate our observable patch. This is because nature is not "quantum digital" and does not work in terms of qubits at all. In fact if there is something that can be considered a natural unit of quantum information, it is not one qubit but rather an Euler number (2.718..). Nature is very much continuous and any quantum computer working in terms of qubits would still have to emulate that in a very costly manner.

Either way, there is no evidence we are living in a simulation at all and extreme difficulty of simulating quantum physics points towards it being not the case.

To summarize my point, the universe works in such a way that it does not seem to care about the notion of computability at all. We could say that in any case when there is something like a choice between a more mathematically elegant/generalized approach vs. a more computationally efficient one, it seems like nature goes out of her way to choose the first option.

>>738972772
youll find out soon enough, everyone does

>>738973156
>>738973306

Nevermind. I care. Ill read up. Thank you for the material.

>>738973156
you, without justifying your response.

what do you think is the effect/nature of the quantum realm/dimension??

OP here and will be leaving in 5-10 minutes your opinion would be highly valued.

>>738973306
current quantum computers work the same as conventional computers, however transferring the reliance on 2 operating bits, to 12 bits ??? been awhile since i researched it.

>>738972084

> Modern physics can't just be classical physics, because you've mentioned quantum physics, and in terms of physics, that's a relatively new field.

Quantum mechanics is almost a hundred years old, not sure if I would call that relatively new. The term "modern physics" is often used to refer to quantum physics, as opposed to classical physics which were not quantum mechanical (and this usually includes relativity, too).

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This reality as you know it is but one of infinite, constantly interacting and changing. We are governed by basic forces. We are but motes of dust, sitting atop a speck, surrounded by other, larger specks, moving at insane speeds that we can only barely comprehend.

We are not special. No one is special, but each of us is unique. Beyond the end, there is only more beginning.

The meaning of our lives is simply to do what we can with what we are given. Some are less fortunate than others; some, more so. We can only change our realities by doing it ourselves.

Something created the universe. Who or whatever did it, had a great idea. I'm pretty sure that it's just sitting back and taking it all in.

>>738973792
so Einstein is the father of modern physics ?

>>738973398
I don't know enough about it.

My knowledge admittedly comes from a knowledge of quantum and string theory BUT coming from a time in my life i was being a total fuckin hippy. It was all a stretch of an excuse to say theres a spiritual realm.

Im passed that so my opinion now briefly mentioned in previous posts:

There are 11 dimensions, 1 time and 10 spacial.

We dont know that for sure, but people way smarter than you and I seem to think the math (i dont understand) supports it strongly.

I think all of life is a mathematical formula.

I think our actions and behaviour, and the future can be described by solid mathematical equations that can even predict the future in an extremely accurate way.

I think quantum physics holds the key. I dont know if humans will ever be able to grasp it, because we are incredibly limited in our perception, but on a universal scale outside of our reach, its all crazy simple.


I also think an AI think machine with the ability of a human to reason that has access to all science and the entire internet (including our facebook conversations and the news.) will find the answer in a heart beat by finding patterns places wed never think to look.
Now im going to step into the realm of pseudoscience bullshit:

I think one day, maybe soon, we'll be able to genetically modify ourselves to perceive higher dimensions if they exist.

That one idea has become my greatest hope in life. I follow genetic technology very closely.

.

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>>738968758
Biophysicist fag here.
>Modern Science is already accepting this.
Says you. No serious scientist will accept that hypothesis because it is unfalsifiable, and thus inherently unscientific by nature. It's a philosophical topic, not scientific.

>>738973398
>>738974252

Btw, did you know the technology totally exists to extend life 7 times while keeping the subject young?

A woman on radiolab whos name ive forgotten headed research on it.

Lab tests dont always scale up to humans, but she has been successful on lab animals.

When the fda refused her to test on humans, she relocated to columbia and applied treatment to herself. She is being closely monitored.


I make no claims on if it will work, and if it does, if its a great idea. But we're doing amazing things anon.

I think we'll have answers to your questions in this lifetime. Whether this life time is 70 years or 500.

>>738974252
/thread

thank you anon, have a goodnight/day

>>738965903
this thread...
I didn't realize before how good quality this kind of bait is.

Another thing to consider is in the grand scale is do you believe in randomness? Something that is impossible to prove true randomness consider having the entirety of reality reset and from the start everything unfolds the same would there be any changes within this reality or would it be a photocopy? If so then fate would be and then a meaning of life might arise to be to die for if there's fate then your destiny would be to die and life would be a journey to it but if no if reality is truly random if only 1 out of infinity of these simulations is slightly different than the meaning of life would be to exist and of course I'm not just talking about humans I'm referring to the reality itselfs meaning of exstence. I know this wasn't the original question but it was something I was pondering lately n thought I'd share.

Fuck the simulation. If it were true, then what is the purpose of this knowledge within the simulation? To know how simulations were created? Sounds like our future "cestors" forgot how to read. This would be the most worthless time to be a simulation. Simulation theory is just another form of population control. Creating passive, "just go with it", Self sufficient concentration camps. Rise up. Wake up. Tear down. Start over.

>>738969362

this is true

and artists transforms this energy into pieces of art, or musicians into music and so on

whatever you put your energy into, it directly transfers into the product/objective

>>738974568
have you ever considered that our "future" selves want to be in this reality for a specific or general experience because its no longer available in the future.

“If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.” – Nikola Tesla

“What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. There is no matter.” – Albert Einstein

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." - Albert Einstein


Ephesians 2:2 KJV
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Hebrews 11:1-3 KJV
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. [2] For by it the elders obtained a good report. [3] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Psalm 33:9 KJV
For he spake, and it was done ; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Genesis 1:3 KJV
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Romans 1:20 KJV
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Ephesians 3:9 KJV
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

>>738974214
What are you talking about? What does that even mean? But yes he is. "Modern physics" is just a loos term that's referring to problems that can't be solved in terms of classical physics, but can with Quantum mechanics and Einstain's relativity.

I found out for 4chan few years ago, and from then casually lurking, these last few months lurking more often. When I find an interesting thread, do I have to read the whole thing or just jump in? What is the proper etiquette for this? Thanks.

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>>738967657

>>738974535

>Another thing to consider is in the grand scale is do you believe in randomness?

Quantum mechanics says that either there is true randomness or there must be faster than light communication between particles. FTL is banned by relativity and attempts to ignore this ban (pilot wave theories) are really contrived and full of problems. Therefore vast majority of physicists and all the most popular interpretations of quantum mechanics (Copenhagen, many worlds, many minds, consistent histories..) include true randomness.

>>738975058
it was legitimately a questions hahaha

but thanks for actually answering in the second half of your response.

>>738973306
> Nature is very much continuous
I don't know that definitively yet.

But I'll agree that there is no evidence that we are living in a simulation. Not that I ever disagreed, but I can't accept that the extreme difficulty of simulating quantum physics points towards it being the case, though. I can't simulate my own thoughts because of the incredible difficulty I have structuring something like a brain with all the particulars; am I real?

>>738973792
>Quantum mechanics is almost a hundred years old
As to Aristotle playing with a rock in ancient Greece, or Galileo looking at planets and stars with lenses, I would call a ~100 year old development fairly new.
>the term "modern physics" is often used to refer to quantum physics
Hence me mentioning that quantum physics is a relatively new field of physics (that has changed the status of classical physics as a whole). And neither theory ultimately solves "everything", so often you will find bits of classical electromagnetism in quantum field theory, and this is where I took issue with how the post was worded.

It read like a suggestion that classical physics made the simulation argument more valid somehow, and that quantum physics, a modern revelation, was not worth mention; the simulation argument is often underpinned by various facets of quantum physics by the respective proponents, and so by association, it wasn't worth considering.

>>738974950
I dont believe in religion but i love those quotes and ideas. Ill add one for the simple reason I think you'll like it, anon.

"The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you."

-Werner Heisenberg

>>738975099
at least will still have true champions

>dubs witnessed.

>>738975084

I believe the proper etiquette is to post gay scat porn and proclaim everyone to be faggots. Especially OP.

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How the world works? - see pic related

sending, transmitting, receiving

>>738975084
read/post to reponses that you find appropriate,

however if it is a chain response, then its polite to understand the premise of the conversation before joining it.

unless your trolling in which case do whatever the fuck you want.

>>738975367
Jewish scholar Nathan Abrams himself argued back in 2004, pornography in the entertainment industry was a deliberate attack on the moral order and any culture that embraced that moral order.[14] As Abrams himself put it:

“Jewish involvement in porn…is the result of an atavistic hatred of Christian authority: they are trying to weaken the dominant culture in America by moral subversion…

“Pornography thus becomes a way of defiling Christian culture and, as it penetrates to the very heart of the American mainstream (and is no doubt consumed by those very same WASPs), its subversive character becomes more charged. Porn is no longer of the ‘what the Butler saw’ voyeuristic type; instead, it is driven to new extremes of portrayal that stretch the boundaries of the porn aesthetic. As new sexual positions are portrayed, the desire to shock (as well as entertain) seems clear.

“It is a case of the traditional revolutionary/radical drive of immigrant Jews in America being channelled into sexual rather than leftist politics.”

Abrams, “Triple-exthnics: Nathan Abrams on Jews in the American porn industry,” Jewish Quarterly, Winter 2004.

>>738975378
how the fuck is that pic related

>>738975531
well, you cannot escape your future because you cannot escape your past

>>738975531
not that dude.

but isnt it obvious that hes saying the sending, trasmitting and receiving of the magnetic fields is what indicates and changed our brains responses and stimuli to indicate what is happening ?

probably reading to far into it.

>>738965903
We are a think tank designed to materialize matter with simple thought in order to feed a higher entity, we are the chefs, it is the consumer.

>>738975241
If you havent read Biocentrism by Robert Lanza, please do. Think he is almost there.

>>738975635
manigga.jpg

billions of atoms interacting based on how quickly they vibrate

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>>738975604
that's fucking magnetic field
>>738975635
yyyyyyyy

>>738975084
>act like a 4channer and follow the culture

Jump the fuck in. Whatever opinion thought or idea you have no matter how stupid or wrong. Blast it! Write a joke, call someone stupid, whatever.

>learn something and become a better human.

Reply to someone who interests you as someone you can converse with whether you agree or disagree.

Use sources and citations from good sources. Hope he'll reply in kind. Likely he'll call you a stupid faggot.

Maybe, though, another anon will reply with solid sources and arguments that challenge your ideas.


Ive found beneath the shit, this is a much better place for learning than many realise. There are a few good intellectuals here who are learned in rational discourse.

Ive even blasted foundless opinions and had an anon come back at me with sources or make me find sources myself to support my claims and ive found myself to be wrong.

>>738974923
if not available, then how is there data for simulation. beep boop beep does not compute.

>>738975450
>>738975814
This is enough information to encourage me to give something to the community. Thank you.

>>738968446
I've had that before

>>738965903
>>738975727
>billions of atoms interacting
>billions of atoms
>billions

Sounds it is a small world after all, Anon

>>738965903

>How does the world actually work ???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstring_theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_inflation

this is as close to the answer as we can get currently

https://www.australianetworknews.com/scientist-michio-kaku-finally-proves-god-exist/

>>738975892
by your logic

we shouldn't have any data on extinct species, because we cannot experience them anymore

in this premise alone your logic is flawed.

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>>738965903
I dunno but that's how light works

>>738968946
schizophrenic people are way more capable of you, at least they get laid.

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All the matter in the universe came from the big bang, where it was super dense, then "exploded". Therefore we are bits and pieces of the universe observing itself. The universe is a self aware and conscious being. This thread is the universe discussing itself.

>>738976994
IF the world was a simulation......somewhat called VR or VIRTUAL REALITY it would still be REALITY!!!!

>>738976396
So without any data, one creates a simulation to experience and thus gathers data? Has potential but lacks "logic" as you so eloquently put it. Back to the matter of simulating the "birth" of simulation logic. How would there be no data? Seems to me, a layman, that simulating such a thing would be for mere recreation. If so, fuck the simulation.