Behold, the mighty Russian navy.

Well of course it LOOKS like shit.
Put it back in the fucking water so that shit can be rinsed off.

>>738894224
>being this dumb

>>738894224
them warp nascelles do still look fine

>>738894224
its next level camouflage you turd so it can perfectly blend in with the maritime environment ya idiot

>>738894348
You're retarded. That's a submarine, that shit needs to be cleaned off imediately because that makes it easier for your ship to be heard with sonar.

>>738894348
Those would be barnacles, and they are eating away at the steel hull. From the looks of it, that sub hasnt been out of the water for a good dry dock inspection in 20+ years

It's a picture of an old Victor-class submarine that was being scrapped.

>>738895662
>>738895797
it's a picture from '09 of a sub being scrapped kids. calm down.

>>738894224
didn't work out on /k/ so you came here?

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>>738894224
Sure it's not a surplus sub? Russia has a few of those. Also, they've got it out of the water, I can only assume they're going to do something about that while it's out.

Either way, my advice is to buy Pepsi stock. They might be about to cut another deal with the world's sixth largest maritime power.

>>738896647
Someone said it was actually being scrapped, so it probably sat in the water mothballed for 20 years gathering barnacles first.

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>>738897356
So my pepsi stock is as worthless as this second-rate soda with a funky aftertaste? WHY!?!

Well, at least there's still Dr. Pepper.

>>738894224
http://warisboring.com/cash-strapped-russia-cant-afford-to-modernize-its-only-aircraft-carrier/

"navy"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRVhCl02ssk
Choo Choo! Mighty Russian Navy coming though!

>>738899115
Phuq that was embarrassing to watch.

Putin must have been so proud.

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>tfw your country can't even deploy 1 carrier strike group
pic is actually outdated, the US has 11 now.

>>738894224
Cockhole psl...

>>738894224
all the men in that picture are drunk

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>>738901600
i'm starting to feel sick. i needed a picture of what a real navy looks like

>>738894224

Behold, The Kursk, a russian submarine that sank in the atlantic and sat on the bottom for almost two years. You fucking retard.

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>>738901924
>tfw you cant afford a rescue mission

>>738902474
Also might have been a political nightmare to retrieve depending on what it sank near.

>>738902474
do you have any idea how complicated it is to recover a sunken ship from the ocean floor? It generally makes more sense to just leave them there, unless, you know, they have nuclear missiles. 2 years for that kind of operation is not bad at all.

>>738899115
The ship has its own smoke screen genius, from a distance the enemy navy will think a volcano is approaching

>>738902474
>>738902671

1. They did attempt a rescue mission, but their DSV was built in the 60s and had poor maintenance and could not connect (this also occurred not long after the soviet collapse, there wasn't alot of money pouring into russian military at the time, so you are right)

2. It pretty much was. The sub sank somewhere in the atlantic if i remember correctly (i was 10 at the time). The russian government had to hire a norwegian company to salvage the wreck.

>>738894224
That look almost like our subs. Thats mostly barnacles and ocean shit. It's the reason why this is on the dock and not the water, it's getting cleaned the fuck off.

>Yeah I know it's bait.

u laff u luuss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeGCEDSh1FI

>>738902474
>>738902671
>>738902994

it was a huge-ass news story at the time, the basic gist was they really didn't have the technology for getting it up before the people would die

so by that logic they may as well take their time

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40323069

In contrast, here is a US destroyer that got in the way of a tanker. This ship has the most advanced sensors in the fleet. Yet it got rammed by a ship 3x its size that was broadcasting to the destroyer "move you faggot"

Not going to defend the Russian Navy's quality overall, because it can be quite atrocious, but some of the images here aren't entirely correct. There are some ships and subs left over from the USSR days that have simple been abandoned like >>738901600

>>738901988
Is the ex-Soviet Cruiser Murmansk which was being towed to India for scrapping but ran aground and was left there for a while.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_cruiser_Murmansk_(1955)

>>738901924
Is not the Kursk or any other Oscar II.
According to reverse image search, the subs in the OP are two Victor IIIs which were being scrapped.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-russia-dismantles-its-old-nuclear-subs-2014-10

>> Yet it got rammed by a ship 3x its size that was broadcasting to the destroyer "move you faggot"

HA!

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fucking lol

>>738904026

The sonar pods and two screw configuration looks an awful lot like the Kursk, i didnt look further into it cause i never came across other russian subs with a double screw design. Cool shit.

>>738899115
They actually had to have it towed to Syria

>>738899115
>2 firetrucks at the ready on the deck
this looks like one of their rare crash free days.

>>738894224
this is an outdated Russian nuclear submarine that was disassembled in 2009 approximately... it had been out of service for over 10 years...

source: https://lasmejoresideasdejeugenio.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/desmantelamiento-de-submarinos-nucleares-rusos/ if you don't understand it it's your problem, learn Spanish, faggot.

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USS Fitzgerald

>>738903803

>>738903803
>implying it would be running at full sensors while parked.

>>738904292
That threw me off for a minute as well. I couldn't think of any subs that have two pods or screws like that. Because of their nature, a lot of designs look very similar and cannot be told apart unless you really know your stuff. Subs aren't like surface warships.
The reason it looks weird is because it's two boats being transported on a barge. Look at the image in the Business Insider link and you can just see the other sail poking out.

>>738904864

parked? that bitch was moving.

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>>738900690

post more beached/capsized ships/submarines

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I don't see what the problem is. Russia doesn't need its navy to project force anywhere near as badly as the US needs its navy. They focus on ground war with air support, as opposed to the US focusing on high-tech air war with naval support. Given that Russia's on the same landmass as everything that matters but the US, they could theoretically just drive anywhere they need to get to, and they have plenty of tanks to drive there in.

Russia also tends to operate a bit closer to home than the US does. They're really active around Russia, but besides a couple police actions in the Middle East, they don't go too far outside their backyard. The last time Russia's navy was strategically relevant was the Cuban Missile Crisis, as far as I'm aware. Now they just use it to scare off North Korea and hold the Black Sea.

>>738904912

Yeah definitely can see it. Was too busy laughing at the Fitzgerald. Now i've got a hankering to play Cold Waters more.

>>738903803
> Most advanced air-search radar
> Runs into ship

>>738901379
Yeah, but with niggers and spics at the helm of all that awesome hardware, we're still about at the same power level as russkiys. SMH

>>738905171
you do realize those are the only 2 T-50s capable of flying, and they cant afford to build more than 20, if that

>>738905171
Good old Raptorsky. The PAK-FA/T-50/Whatever the fucking call it now looks pretty. I feel like I've seen that design somewhere, though.

>>738905250
>implying drunk russian conscripts are any better

>>738905171
Don't matter, the pilots are still drunk

>>738905231
That game looks so cool. I definitely need to pick it up sometime.
it really brings me back to reading The Hunt For Red October and the submarine sections of Red Storm Rising. I can't think of something more taxing on the nerves than submarine warfare.

>>738905458
Both are about the same. Tell me how Tyrone and Ivan are different.

>>738905374
Huh. Now that you mention it, it does look like a Flankerized F-22...

>>738905607
basically what it is, but without rear angle stealth and 4 axis thrust vectoring instead of 2 axis

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Good old China, taking Russian crap and making it better. This is what a Kuznetsov could look like if the Ruskies cared.

Now if the Chinks could just stop praging their J-15s off the deck and killing pilots, they'll have it figured out.

>>738903147
i cant stop laughing

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>>738905856
The question is:

Do we want them to figure it out?

I firmly believe that all of these advanced warships are completely obsolete. There won't be another conflict between first world powers that won't be a bunch of hacking bullshit. Carrier strike groups will only be relevant against 3rd world bush people and their oil.

>>738894224
'Murrican asshole

>>738903147
kek

>>738906232
I can't remember the study, but the Carrier Strike Group is already obsolete. And the Navy just hasn't gotten around to dealing with it. Too many jet jockeys that don't want to lose MUH TAILHOOK

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>>738894348

>rinsed
>barnacles
>pick one

What are you gonna scrape em off and try to eat them, like Charlie?

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>>738905171
>2 prototypes
aww, that's nice

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>>738905773
Dude, I just had the picture and never tracked down more about the planes. This is fascinating.

Damn it, /b/! You kicked off another round of planes autism, didn't you? And this time, you're playing Russia and planes off of each other! Fuck, well, I wasn't planning on sleeping tonight anyway.

>>738894224
That would be one noisy submarine.

>>738906505
You're welcome.

>>738905171
Ground war in eastern Europe you say? I think the US has that pretty well covered

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Problems?

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>>738906925
forgot pic

>>738906990
That offset nosewheel still bothers me.

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>>738906988
Not today, communist scum

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>>738906338
What is the counter strategy to the Carrier Strike Group? What are they planning on replacing it with?

Is the navy concerned about small attack ships, cruise missiles, an air attack, or what? I just don't see an oldschool naval composition taking on a carrier and its screening fleet at anything near parity.

>>738906990
what kind of faggot takes a picture at that angle?

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>>738907100
Your lack of freedom bothers ME!

God, I love this ugly son of a bitch...

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we should also take some time to laugh at the USS America, LHA 6. It's an amphibious assault ship with no amphibious capabilities. It relies 100% on ospreys to ferry marines to a beach, exactly like Tom Cruise in Edge of Tomorrow.

>>738907328
Well in the middle east (i.e. Iran) its little fast-moving boats. With hundreds swarming, it only takes one getting through.

There are apparently carrier-killer missiles out there that some countries have. And it's not even the Navies we have to worry about: almost all of this is littoral or near-littoral combat. The old-school open-water Carrier battles of WW2 will not happen again.

>>738905590
Tyrone is in a big slab of American death, not a Russian choochoo boat.

>>738907328
nukes are about the only thing that can take out a modern carrier group.

People are retarded, though. Detection is still the key factor in naval combat, the ocean is fuckhuge.

controlling the sea means controlling major trade. It's no where near obsolete yet.

>>738906404
actually, this is quite stupid... the US is way overpowered, they don't need 99% of the stuff they have, they just have it because it's good to speculate with it... but the US alone has enough nuclear weaponry to destroy life on earth 75 times...

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I like this insecure USA fagots thread.

>>738907617
which is really stupid because there is only one earth, if you destroy it once, you're done... you don't need any more weapons...

>>738907414
Aaaaaw SHEEET son.

We about to start talking about the GAU-8? The fucking coolest gun around? They don't build that shit into planes, they build planes around IT! That thing fires 30mm rounds at a rate of 6000 rpm, ripping through armored vehicles in tanks? That shit can fill me with High Velocity Armor Piercing shells any day

>>738907612
I mean, maybe all at once. I don't think it's invincible, just that it's a difficult nut to crack, and probably not worth the losses if it's not steaming directly at you.

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>>738894224
yea, old shitty russian subs are neat

>>738894224
>>738895797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AUkcPa76wY its making my skin crawl man

>>738907737
>>738907737

It's not a gun, it's a cannon.

>>738907577
the carrier group would have to be spotted and the ships that would approach it would have to be close enough so that they wouldn't run out of fuel to do so and they would have to be fast enough to catch the group off guard.

Your scenario is contingent upon many key factors.

Carrier killing missiles are a thing, but they don't seem to be much of a threat, due to aforementioned detection problems.

>>738901600
Training submarine. They put windows on it to help.

The insignia looks more like graffiti.

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Noobs, Al Qaeda ftw

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>>738907509
it has a wet dock and can launch LCACs, you dingus. the shit itself isn't amphibious.

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>>738907728
Well, the idea is to launch a big enough salvo that if the enemy has anti missile defenses in place, or if warheads fail to detonate, or if the enemy can get a first strike before you can fire your volley that you'll still be able to cripple their strategic launch capability, destroy their military industry, and decimate their population.

>>738907737
Fun fact: I once ran across rule 34 of this on this very board. I bet somebody has it.

>>738908164

No it does not, There is no well deck, there is no ramp on its back side.

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>>738907841
the sonar arrays in all subs are pretty awesome looking. you rarely see anything about them because subs are the most secretive part of the military.

>>738907947
Do you know how wide the Strait of Hormuz is?

Because it's not very wide.

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>>738908164
>speed limit signs

Silly marines, freedom doesn't have a speed limit!

>>738908389
another contingency.

There's a reason why that's an important waterway.

It's a bottleneck that is easy to defend.

If you have a navy sailing into that, they deserve to be wiped out

>>738908196
no dude, you don't get it... 75 times E A R T H, not just the enemy, the entire fucking planet, if you throw ant missile defenses at a nuke it'll still blow up even if it's in mid air, if that happens to a hundred nuclear warheads, the sky will get covered in crap for over 25 years, and once it goes away, there will be no ozone cape, making the UV radiation so big that no life on earth will be possible.

>>738908512
The US Navy sends at least one boat through it just about every other day. Only way into the Gulf.

I flew P-3s over it.

>>738908612
obviously because we aren't actively engaging the countries that control it

Have we ever sailed a carrier into that place?

>>738908761
There's literally one there right now.

>>738907947
yeah, A carrier strike group can cruise at 20-30 knots. Something would have to be far enough away to not be shot first, so during the anti-ship missle's flight time, the CSG could be 10 miles from its original target point. and that's only if it hasn't been intercepted buy multiple layers of air defense.

The primary purpose of the cruiser and 4 destroyers to provide air defense for the carrier, and offensive strike secondary.

>>738901924
While on exercise, and firing a dummy torpedo, the hydrogen peroxide propellant exploded, destroying the kerosene fuel tank in the torpedo, and caused an explosion in the torpedo room equal to 100–250 kilograms of TNT. After two minutes, there was a secondary explosion equal to 3-7 tons of TNT, and the submarine sank in shallow waters.

The British and Norwegian navies offered assistance, but Russia refused help. Two weeks later, they reached the ninth compartment which had 24 bodies. A note listing the names of 23 sailors who were alive in the compartment after the ship sank was found.

>>738908797
Source?

where exactly is it at?

Also have there been any successful attempts to damage / sink our carriers there?

>>738903197
This occurred in 2000. They had cash again, and wanted to show muscle. The submarine was relatively new with an elite crew.

>>738908366
Well there are all 8 Wasp class amphibious assault ships, so whatevs

>>738902994
>>738902671
>>738902994
>>738902474
There is currently a US ship off the British coast that sank during WW2. It has still not been recovered. (SS Richard Montgomery)

There is obviously little incentive for countries to retrieve vessels from the bottom of the sea.

Russia probably went and got it because they were bored. And clearly money was no issue or they wouldnt have done anything.

>>738908930
Oh hey I'm out of date. It's not there presently because they are coming home from deployment. We rotate a carrier in and out of the Gulf as part of 5th Fleet.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/no-us-carrier-now-in-the-mideast

Since December. I was there in October. Makes sense.

Also I was overhead watching when they were going through the Strait. Boring flights actually.

Iran also isn't THAT dumb. But they have been testing swarm tactics on carrier mock-ups:
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-iran-stages-war-games-boats-hit-mock-up-us-ship-2015-2

Also, in the 80s they shot at a Frigate and mined one. So that's neat.

>>738907612
You don't need to take out a carrier group just the carrier.

Fire more than a couple cruise missiles at the thing and it's phalanx guns wouldn't be able to do shit.

They will go the way of the battleship soon enough, it's just a show of force really. The us has enough airbases around the world to fly many times an aircraft carriers worth of planes to in a fraction of the time.

>>738909365
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/how-the-us-navy-trying-make-chinas-carrier-killer-missiles-18766


It's not that easy.

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>>738908600
That... That's the point.

Once you have nuclear weapons, and a possible enemy has nuclear weapons, the only way to keep the other from launching is to build excessive, totally unreasonable amounts of missiles, to the point where everybody knows that everybody's going to die if anyone pulls the trigger. Less than a quarter of it's actually practically applicable force, then a little bit is redundancy, and the rest is to show force. This is how we survived the cold war.

>>738909509
Strategic Deterrence is the buzzword.

>>738909365
i agree that they will go the way of the battle ship within the next 50 years, but as far as shooting down cruise missiles, that's kind of the whole point for moving with a cruiser and 4 destroyers. They each carry hundreds of anti-missile missiles and have primarily anti-air radars.

>>738905171
True, the Russian counter to the US is a technological one. Against the US, they have only two responses: an unknown but growing number of nukes of increasing yield, and a small sub fleet to augment their land-based silos and transports. Short of that, they don't have any need for a bloated expensive navy, because they haven't made the mistake of putting themselves in the position of policing the worlds seas and trade routes. The rest of their forces exist for conventional asymmetric warfare against non-peer state enemies.

Russia blew their wad in the arms race in the cold war, after which there's zero reason for them to go back to a bloated costly navy to rattle sabers at an enemy (USA, China, or other nuc power) that they will never fight in conventional warfare.

The result of the arms race was MAD, in case you guys missed it. This is one of two ways arms races end. Stalemate or rubble.

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>>738909621
also, those cruise missiles will have to fly through multiple layers of the best electronic jamming systems in the world, like the EA-18 Growler here

>>738908196
>>738908600
it's not really enough to destroy the whole planet. else, why bother launching the nukes at all when you can just detonate them in the backyard and destroy the whole world?

if nukes could really do that then the usa or russia would just threaten to detonate all their nukes at once if they detected an incoming nuclear warhead. like a guy in a locked room holding a hand grenade.

nukes are fear mongering propaganda.

>>738909907
Not with that ALQ-99 it isn't the best.

The NGJ hasn't been finished yet. Only then.

>>738909365

The battleship was phased out because of shit like what happened to the largest BB ever, the Yamato. A bunch of planes from carriers took it out.

There is currently no weapon / vehicle capable of taking out or completely countering a carrier.

There are missiles, but we have missiles too, and anti missile technology.

>>738909502
Anti missile tests are in no way a proper representation of the real thing same when they test anti ICBM missiles.

They know the thing is coming and where it's coming from etc etc. Fire more than a handful and unless the thing is fully automated to handle that volume it's likely one or more will get through.

>>738909865
until China decides to start expanding Northwest 50 years from now.

>>738909981
fair enough.

>>738910068
Nah they'll just casually keep building up the Spratley Islands until it's an actual continent.

>>738910189
dat russian oil doe

>>738909509
that is so fucking retarded... and such an enormous waste of money that could be put towards something like a decent public health care for example... why the fuck do we even need that... there are no countries that are going to fire nuclear warheads because the only time that happened (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) the dude who dropped the bombs ended up in a fucking church praying for the rest of his life to try and apologize for the thousands of lifes he blew the fuck up at once... and believe it or not, nuclear warheads have about one in a million probabilities of blowing up because of an accident, that's about the same odds of you being killed by a shark in the united states...

and in fact, it's almost already happened.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/usaf-atomic-bomb-north-carolina-1961

>>738909953
Nigger you know fuck all about nuclear warfare and it shows.

Try talking about something you know, instead. If there is anything.

>>738910009
What is going to fire those missiles?

Our anti missile defenses are able to launch tens at a moment's notice.

Is it a launch from land? those missiles will be intercepted easily

From air? The aircraft that do it will be destroyed / detected before all their missiles are fired.

From Sea? lol

Who / what is detecting the carrier group in order to accomplish this task in the first place?

I'll say it again, it's not that easy. It's also not that simple as 10 missiles vs 1 battlegroup, there are many, many factors you aren't considering.

>>738909953
I said they have enough power to destroy life on earth more than 75 times, not earth itself... what's the point of destroying a giant lifeless rock? destroying life on earth should be more than enough... way more than enough...

>>738908389

Carriers launch sorties from hundreds of miles away... No one in their right mind would navigate a CVN anywhere near the strait of Hormuz outside of peacetime

>>738894348
Washing off barnacles and salt corrosion.

Do you know where salt corrosion and barnacles come from?

The sea. They come from the fucking sea you massive fucking idiot.

>>738902994

have you even watched the documentary on the kursk? they could have gone earlier but they sat on the information refusing to tell higher ups of what was going on, on top of that the equipment needed to help them was sitting in some warehouse in the usa or canada or some shit, but they refused it.

would they have gotten to them in time to save them? most likely not, but it just shows how much they dropped the ball on the kursk.

>>738910541
The dilemma is if that peacetime ends during the strait transit. That's what I'm talking about. During the transit, mind you, there are no flight operations occuring, btw.

>>738903147
underrated post

legit laughed out loud

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>>738910009
Dummies were able to defeat all our fucking abm systems from the beginning and still are.

Doesn't help that they're gonna be fucking coming in at goddamn mach 20 now either.

>>738907328
The crew in that tank are either seriously injured or dead.

the kursk was basically a bomb the entire fucking time, safety came last. dont get me wrong I think russian hardware is the most sexiest but is a coffin.

>>738895487
I'd say it's probably capable of warp 6 at least, even in that poor of condition

>>738910703
Reminder to everyone who thinks the US is infallible because we spent the most money: Never underestimate our ability to fuck it up.

>>738903197
They refused an offer for a British assist in the rescue too, apparently there were British resources nearby that could have helped significantly. But no, military secrets needed defending. A permanent submarine is indeed a secret worth guarding.

>>738894224
To think, that thing used to be full of seamen.

>>738901379
1 lucky sub and bam it's goodnight mr carrier :(

>>738910967
It was the typical Russian "Everything is fine" doctrine in action.

"Oh hey, Ivan, that reactor cooling pump isn't working...."

>>738909865
Honestly, I don't see why the US and Russia have to be at each others' throats anymore. They each have enough missiles to kill each other, Russia doesn't seem interested in much outside of consolidating its position in Eastern Europe, and the countries have more in common that they probably would like to admit.

I get that Merkel doesn't like having an independent military power that's strong enough to tell her Union no right outside its back door, but I thought the US and the EU started getting distant a while ago. I don't see how keeping the pressure up on Russia like they have since the Cold War is worth the effort.

>>738910703
holy fuck that's literally Mach 5 - 9

>>738910967
Yeah, and Norwegians offered help too with a modern rescue team if I recall correctly. The fucking Norwegians man. No wonder Putin was so proud he had to leave his sailors to die, when the alternative is being saved by a pretty small nation like Norway.

>>738910422
Just the chain of command in getting the go ahead to fire those anti missile missiles takes more than a moment's notice, they need to track, coordinate with the carrier group, assign targets for each ship and hope that those things do the job for really which isn't a guarantee.

Cruise missiles have hundreds of miles of range, so they will intercept planes that they may have no clue are a few hundred miles away and are unaware of their intention?

Ever heard of a satellite? You can bet Russia has at least one on every carrier the us owns and vice versa.

It's not as simple as oh well just intercept them either.

>>738910651

If someone wanted to take a shot at one of our carriers, they would be waking the giant. The response would be annihilation no matter the outcome of their attack.

Iran isn't suicidal. Non state actors don't have adequate firepower to make a dent.

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>>738904800
I've seen different pictures of this and the hull looked completely fucked.

What now happens to this ship?

Great thread btw guys.

>>738911304
International dick waving competitions are won on a scale of number of lives lost vs fucks given it seems.

>>738894224
The new Russian military doctrine states that an attack on the American invasion fleet is to be executed in three waves, three alignments, thus preventing American expeditionary naval groups from positioning themselves near the Russian coast of the Baltic Sea.

The first wave of hypersonic weapons, consisting of space gliders arranged on Russian nuclear-powered submarines under immersion in the middle of the Atlantic, starts fighting US naval expeditionary groups as they start crossing the Atlantic to Europe. The American naval groups need 7-8 days to cross the Atlantic; the plane Il-76MD-90A has a maximum flight distance of 6300 km and can be powered in the air, reaching the middle of the Atlantic Ocean in a few hours.


If the first wave does not destroy the targets, the second wave of hypersonic weapons will be launched on the US naval groups when they are located 1,000 km from the eastern shore of the Atlantic Ocean. The attack will be launched from the Russian submarines in the Barents Sea or Plesesk base of strategic missiles, located near the Arctic Circle and the White Sea.

The third wave of hypersonic attack will be executed by missiles 3M22 Zirkon launched on American naval groups when they would be in the Skagerrak strait (crossing the North Sea to the Baltic Sea), on the assumption that NATO is attacking Russia through the Baltics. If the American expeditionary naval group head to the Black Sea, it will be hit by the third wave of hypersonic weapons in the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits.

>>738910368
We needed that to keep Russia from doing the same to us during the cold war. Superior force was needed to maintain a stalemate. Both countries are stepping back from the edge a bit. There are disarmament agreements and such running.

The fact that a nuclear warhead going off accidentally is close to the odds of dying in a shark attack is actually kind of reassuring. It keeps the second-tier countries off the doorstep, and at less risk of an accident than driving to work in the morning. I kind of doubt that number, but we all take much worse risks every day.

>>738910703

I am skeptical of these specs but wouldn't be that surprised. We've had the hypersonic missiles for a while now too we just don't talk about them...

The Chinese PLA-N have stood a chance against our Carrier air groups for a while now, since the 80s even, with their silkworms. They just have no reason to try taking a shot...

>>738907328
>>738907612
>>738907947
>>738909365

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/swedens-super-stealth-submarines-are-so-lethal-they-sank-us-18383

You just need a half decent submarine and it's all over

Chuck a few at them and it's a no contest

>>738911786
I fly anti-submarine aircraft for a living, and its not secret we are not great at finding submarines that don't want to be found.

>>738911635
no we don't, the difference between a normal death risk and the risk of a bomb of this kind going off accidentally is that in a normal accident, only one person dies, in a nuclear accident, around 6 million persons would die... depending on the area even more...

>>738910703
Yeah the hypersonic shit is the result of 25 years of technological innovation in ABM systems ratcheting up the threat on both sides.

Drop a missile from the Mesosphere and watch it start to burn up hitting Mach15 but still detonate above your target, and in a directed force blast, amplifying its destruction by orders of magnitude. You could literally sweep an entire city off the face of the earth with that, without even needing a czar bomba monster inside.

>>738911853
Well, seems from that link as if it's virtually impossible

If the US navy can't detect them, I bet no one can

>>738909981

Worked on AN/ALQ-184 pods for a while, AMA.

>>738911853
What do you fly specifically?

>>738912071
The other side to this, however, is the US also has subs that are rather difficult to detect.

Submarines, not carriers, are our greatest deterrence force. Carriers are force projection.

>>738911604
I would love to see these stupid countries uck up and do it already.

Been edging around this shit my whole life. I think we've all paid enough for the fireworks, it's time to put on the fucking show.

>>738899115
>>738900373

Something something bunker oil.

Something something all your shit you cherish is shipped in ships that smoke like that in international waters.

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>>738912200
Used to fly P-3s. P-8s now.

>>738911786
Oh, god. The Russians called theirs the Lada....

>>738912310
You realize lots of people will die right?

>>738912394
Lol I suck at selecting the correct file.

>>738912234
Yes, you're absolutely right

Carriers are good for attacking garbage countries like Iraq

But the reason I pointed this out is people were wondering what the counter to such a force as the carrier fleet could be, and some were saying it's very difficult to defeat, as if no one could do it

>>738911356
Satellites can't guide missiles onto a moving target. That's also not how satellites work, unless you're the US and have many hundreds of them in space.

The curvature of the Earth limits the range aircraft need to lock a missile onto a moving target.

You don't seem to understand how exactly a Missile is locked onto a target, especially a moving target at distances of many miles.

Now after all this is achieved, what weapons platform is capable of unleashing large salvos of missiles at a moving enemy ship and having them all hit their targets given that the enemy ship has very advanced anti missile technology?

>>738912423
Uh yeah. That's what all this shit is for.

There's what, 8 billion idiot humans in the world. I think we can afford to lose a few (billion) and still be alright. ...in fact the entire rest of life on earth would probably breathe a brief sigh of relief.

>>738912310
Did you know Russia could turn your country into a radioactive wasteland? A lot of the US would die and the rest would have cancer, no food, probably not even any sunlight

>>738912394
P8-A Poseidon? that's a big ass aircraft >.>

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>>738908612
>>738912394
FAGS!!

>>738901379
I believe a CSG also has 1-2 fast attack subs

>>738912712
Yup.

>>738912724
Phrogs Forever, until they were replaced by MH-60s.

>>738912621
At its peak, Russia had 70,000 nuclear warheads aimed at every US military installation, naval asset, and city in the country with a population over 1200 people in every state in the country.

And that was in the 1970s.

Now they have a nuclear arsenal that, while we don't know the exact size of it, is at largest, 1/10th of that number, but with a total yield several times what it was during the cold war.

Russia realized they could save a hell of a lot of money by putting more effort into building and maintaining far fewer launch systems that are each a lot more powerful.

>>738912310
No. The point of a state is to protect its peoples' interests. First and foremost comes not dying.

Once you get to the bigger picture, sometimes you have to use force to protect other interests. This comes with the knowledge that there will be casualties, but I really doubt that there's anything the civil government thinks is important enough to spur the military to open this can of worms. I don't think the military really wants to on their own, either.

>>738912618
Humans are more important. That's how sentience works. Also how empathy works. You also must realize that if the US and Russia get into it, Russia doesn't have much to keep them off besides the big red button. This thing's going nuclear, and it's going to happen fast. Nuclear war's going to kill a hell of a lot more than people. The ecological damage would be immense.

I get that we're overpopulated, but the answer isn't to kill each other off, especially when we only have one planet that we can't afford to irradiate.

>>738910967

Right and they did eventually allow the british DSV to dive on the wreck but when they connected they found the crew had been dead long before they got there due to a fire that broke out in the remaining livable compartments.

>>738913326
>Humans are more important.
>more important to humans

lol

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>>738904104
Also this

>>738912557
Cruise missiles have GPS among other guidance systems built in, you don't need line of sight from a plane, Russia has their own GPS satellites and can locate said carrier group using said satellites.

Once again your very advanced anti missile technology is a fallacy, they are ok at shooting down single test cases where they know the time of firing the missile path and are prepared for it.

Submarine, destroyer, aircraft group, land positions take your pick.

>>738913878
Post the weapons systems capable of doing this at volumes you described, shooting tens or even hundreds of satellite guided missiles. Also post the missiles themselves.

>>738913326
You must on some level realize the irony that the age old question of whether neanderthal and human intelligence is actually an OCD-like mental illness, would be answered, if humans prove to be a species whose ultimate end is a result of using that very intelligence to focus on details, fail to see the big picture, organize into groups, create nukes and bioweapons, and use them to kill not only every other living thing on the planet off, but themselves. Sentience will either need redefining, and someone to redefine it, or sentience will not be quite as impressive as you think of it today.

Humans are an otherwise fairly typical ape, which has so far only developed mental abilities sufficient to be a danger to itself and others. It has not yet developed mental faculties to modify the nature of our universe in a constructive manner.

It's a primitive, shit species and whether or not it dies out, it will get exactly what it deserves, no more, no less.

>>738913260
interesting points, friendo

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alex is a stupid nigger

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>>738913576
Well, we are humans. I'm assuming?
>Plznoprobeme ayylmao

In all seriousness, humans are the only thing that give any meaning to a completely arbitrary world. Any other metric is inane. Without the value that humans have assigned it, nothing has any meaning. Not a star, not a big pretty rock, and not anything that may still crawl across it to die. We're all we have, and without us, how can anything matter anymore?

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>>738914071
Post the anti missile defense systems capable of detecting tracking and launching in volumes you describe with their success rates.

There are at least a couple of handfuls of countries that if they wanted to could sink a carrier group no problem.

Accept it without being a retard about it.

>>738911020
but no commander is going to try and get lucky, its not a video game.

>>738907737
Bitches love cannons

>>738914571
>any meaning
to humans, specifically the ones who share your viewpoint.

>>738914154
You don't get to talk down on humanity like you're not a part of it. You're taking a shit when you wake up tomorrow just like everybody else. Remember that.

Against geologic time, we've only been alive for the blink of an eye. Of course we haven't gotten to the big stuff yet.

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>>738915066
Oh. You're religious. Got it.

>>738914571
So you grew up in an artificial, manmade environment of a city, and isolated from the real world, have no concept of how life works in this world, nor how your life or your species life depends on that other life for its existence. In your ignorance, you see no value in anything not immediately useful to you personally, and assume in your casual arrogance that only you are capable of assigning things value, because you have uncritically acccepted the traditional judeo-christian bronze age desert dweller worldview as having merit, in contrast to the last 30 years of animal and human behavioral and neuroscience research.

There is a big, big fucking busy, dynamic world outside your sterile little bubble.

>>738907258
Can you explain to me, how the communism tied to Putin? Putin is just a regular crook who is selling oil / weapon and making money on that, wtf it's have with cockmunism?

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>>738903147
LOL

>>738915205
Not in the least.