Why do people start to hate each other after getting married?

>>737914399
Because they marry too quickly without actually living together for more than a year.

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>>737914399

You want to know the truth? It's because once women get married they know they get half your shit if you ever leave them because you literally signed a contract with them and the state agreeing to do so. They have you by the balls now. So they start to slack off. They let their bodies fall to shit, they get angrier, and they cut back on sex. Because they don't have to WORK to maintain the relationship anymore. I see this all the time with my friends. I don't feel sorry for them because they signed the contract agreeing to it.

>>737914549
This usually.
However, even my parents were together for 8 years before getting married and they still got divorced later on.
Mind you, they were still good friends and all afterwards, but didn't want to live in the same household.
They never told me and my brother why, so I can only assume it was because of us. Can anyone confirm that?

The newness of the relationship wears off and the couple get to see what they're really like. I lived with my gf for three years before getting married so we knew everything about each other and how we react to situations. I encourage everyone I know to live together for a while before thinking about getting married.

>>737914399
Because it's seen as the finish line.

Once you've crossed the line, you don't need to run anymore.

>>737914399

I resent my wife for getting a lot heavier, and her sexual enthusiasm plummeted.

I'm actually pretty fair, I didn't care when she gained some weight because I love her but she's almost going too far now.

It makes me hate her a bit because she doesn't consider how this is detrimental to me. She has sex with me often, but it's boring and she is no longer adventurous. I wanted a partner I could have wild sex with for years and try all kinds of stuff, not someone who shuts down a year after we got married.

>>737914736
Hahahah faggot. It was your fault.

Honeymoon phase is over

>>737914829
This. They let themselves go and show their true side

>>737914399
because they didnt spend enough time together to realize they have irreconcilable differences

>>737914736
yes you are correct
it was because of you

Familiarity breeds contempt. That's all there is to it.

>>737915184
I meant both, not just the women.

>>737914736
it probably wasn't tbh.
idk why people always blame themselves for these thngs.

>>737914399
People lie a lot here but 4chan is the only place where in a thread like this you have people telling the truth. I love this place.

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>>737914399
because the idea of monogamy is an ideology not a natural law.

if we were meant to be with one partner for our whole life would we have to create laws and religious doctrine to enforce it?

no. how many laws do you have that remind you to breathe or grab something to eat?

>>737915473
I mean both too

>>737914399
Been living with the same girl for close to 10 years (not married). For me it's just too much togetherness; I grew up an only child and really really value my alone time. She's needy and constantly wants to do everything together

Also the sexual enthusiasm plummeted...every time we fuck (few times a month) she always says, "why don't we do that more often?!" and I'm looking at her like...because you don't ever fucking initiate it. She's a great person but most of the time I'd rather just jack off.

wtf is wrong with me /b/?

>>737914399
because people are fake but you cant be fake forever

>>737914399
It's not so much about "hate". Women are the worst at getting married, having a kid or two, then packing on every pound they can and expecting the husband to just accept it. My wife did the same thing, while I've continued to work out regularly and eat healthy. The love is still there but the sex has been cut back by myself, not her. The physical attraction has to be there too just like it was in the beginning, most women forget that.

>>737915786
few times a month??????

Any LTR or marriage won't work out unless you really know your partner and they don't fuck around or "change"

>>737915065
This exactly
I'm a woman with a huge sex drive
Granted it's not "lets get this going" all the time, at least not to the same extent as my partner, but it's the type of person he is and what he does when he gets into the mood that actually puts me in that mood, even if it was not something I'd even considered doing that day at all
To keep a good sex life you have to think about your partner's needs and their feelings and have a very strong friendship and that will sustain passion and affection for each other long term in every way, especially sexually with them.
I understand his needs because I have very strong needs. And even if his are a bit more than mine I want to please him and give him satisfaction and that in itself is a turn on for me and brings me pleasure
Your strength of your relationship plays a huge part in the health of your sex life.
In the same way as you can tell a lot about a person from how they treat the waiter, you can tell how much your partner really does care for you in the way they treat you sexually over a long period of time

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>>737915786
Not a god damn thing, man. I hate to say it, but a majority of this thread is correct. As much if a cliché as it is, women in long term just end up not giving a shit as much. Regardless as to how emotionally committed they may or may not be, their real time commitment slacks hard after a while.

>>737915994
Hey junior, we can't all be 16 years old forever. People grow up and have stressful, busy lives and their biggest concern is no longer which game to buy on Steam with mom's credit card.

>>737915501
Because as kids they're weak and dependent on their parents which makes kids so self centered that they blame shit they have no control over on their selves.

>>737915971
>then packing on every pound they can
is it really their laziness or perhaps just females tend to gain weigh as they age?

>>737914399
>>737914399
don't listen to the trolls. people don't start hating each other after marriage. people just live their lives like normal and if it seems like married couples are unhappy it's because sometimes people are unhappy. there's nothing more to it.

>>737916192
Most people do. You go from high school with a fast metabolism, to college where you have a bunch of free time to hit the gym...then you get into the working world and you're sitting down staring at a spreadsheet for 10 hours a day. No time to eat properly or exercise, so you grab a coke and a honey bun out of the machine and scurry back to your cubicle before Mr. Shekelstein notices you're gone.

That's how we all end up fat and doughy.

>>737916192
Men and women both gain weight as they age, so yes, it's their laziness.

>>737916343
Pretty much, marriage kinda traps people though

>>737915786


I'm in the same situation, but it's once every month and a half.

I am a good husband, but I'd rather just jack off. Sick of always initiating and chasing her and getting shot down. I don't even bother with physical affection anymore. She got what she wanted: kids, house nice cars. I got...uh. I love my kids a lot. It's nice having someone else around, but the romance is just gone. I feel like I am missing out on a lot. That's why midlife crisis happens, guys eventually say fuck this and do what they want. Happening to all my friends too. Middle age sucks.

>>737916635
Currently trying to avoid the marriage and kids trap. Fortunately she's not interested in either one so I can walk away whenever an it'll be easier.

But we've lived together for a decade...everything in our lives is extremely intertwined. She's a unicorn and not some roastie whore, but I can't help but "think with the wrong head" and want to fuck every other girl I see.

>>737916635
Them feels. It's happening to a lot of my friends now. This exact situation.

>>737915994
I know. I'm lucky if she wants it more than once a month.

>>737916949
I think birth control fucks with their hormones and makes them less horny.

>>737915694
I'd bye that for a dollar!

>>737916635
Do you think all marriages end up like this or was it just bad luck?

>>737914399
Has to do with change in mindset. Now all the little things you could tolerate before are things you are going to have to put up with FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. So much just has to do with perspective and attitude.

>>737916949
how about you just fucking TAKE it?

>>737914399
Because women become raging cunts when the men don't change into the person they want.

>>737915694
Shitting in a toilet, medicine, air conditioning, glasses, tv, computers, and more aren't natural either.
And actually, many species are monogamous. You're just a cuck.

>>737914753
couples that cohabitate before marriage are more likely to get divorced

tis true my friend, look it up

my guess is that religious ppl are less likely to live together before marriage and they are less likely to get divorced

>>737914707
Yep. This.

>>737916087
I wish I could be with someone with this attitude. My wife has said she'd be happy never gaving sex again. Thing is, I'm going to have sex. She decides if it's with her or someone else

>>737917971
Probably right. Or the cohabitating couples get an extra head start on "I've been putting up with your shit for years" that just compounds once they get married.

Girlfriend and I have been together for almost 10 years and everyone always asks, "OMG WHEN IS THE BIG DAY?" and sometimes it feels like we should just get married for the sake of easiness, but god I'm sick of her haha

>>737917971
You're the one saying it, provide the source.

>>737915786
Happens sometimes. A woman's sex drive diminishes once she is in a stable relationship.

Change routine a bit, go on a trip together, something really new.
Being a bit surprising or romancing her can help.

Biggest thing is change of routine, and making sex not feel like a necessity, but something to enjoy.
Saying that, I don't know what she could do to improve, often seems it is the man who has to take charge.
Be a bit more aggressive, start feeding her aphrodisiacs, slap her butt, tease her over a period of days.

Read about it, there are lots of articles.
If things don't improve in a few months, consider whether you want to continue.

Talk with her about it too, say you really enjoy sticking your peepee in her vagina, and that your like to try some new things.
Dripping hot wax on her tits while you pump into her anus, or filling all her holes with vibrators and leaving her tied to a chair for 8 hours while you go to a figure skating competition to take photos of the crotches of the women competing.

>>737917106
Mine's not on any. I had a vasectomy. They're just cunts

>>737917279
I see that scenario more times than not.

>>737916087
Tits, post them.

>>737918176
Men do those things but stop when they don't work. Women say they want the flirting and romance but they just want money and shelter

>>737918286
She's not here for attention. She's here to contribute to the thread. Tits would be nice but are not required in this situation.

Because humans are not naturally monogamous. The concept of human monogamy was born during the early stages of agricultural civilization, when it became necessary for men to be absolutely sure they were leaving their possessions to the correct person. This meant either having one wife or having several who ONLY procreated with you so that you were passing your work and meager possession on to a true-born son.

>>737916635
Same here. More and more every day I think, fuck this.

>mom got on dads case about pot, he left her, they were both happier after, he got killed by a car about 5 years later. worst day of my life.
>aunt left her husband after he was accused of looking at kids, dont blame her, he later killed him self
>other aunts husband got diagnosed with cancer, she decided she was gay, he died, he was a really cool dude
>uncle (other side of the family) ran off with his uncles wife...super weird at funerals
>me and wife have been together for 10 years, married almost 5, i cant wait to see how we break up.

>>737917762
Forget all the other 'explanations' here.
This is the truth. Pure and simple.

>>737918192
Ha ha ha ha ha. Dying laughing. Mine is too.

>>737914399
I was actually married before. No I'm not a troll, yes, I'm a fucking idiot for getting married. We got married for all the wrong reasons. We had a kid on the way and decided that the best way to raise it was as a single family unit. I was in the Army and the only way to make that happen is if we were legally bound.

She was a jealous and controlling idiot. We had almost nothing in common. Even her family backround was entirely different from mine.

Additionally, we were really young (20 and 19) when we got married and I felt that I had settled too early

>>737914549
Nope

>>737914707
So there is actually some truth to this. My ex COMPLETELY let herself go after one year of marriage and having a kid. She made no effort to improve herself. She did feel entitled to the money I earned. That honestly bothered me because she never bothered to tell me that she planned on dropping out of school and not working.

>>737918314
They want the money and shelter, but to keep them providing the milk - you can spark their excitement.
It sounds like a cosmopolitan magazine entry, demanding men to do everything as usual, but it can work.
You do different things, take her out on a date every week or two, something simple but separate from normal life.
A meal somewhere new, or something like that.

A guy on here explained it better a few years ago.

Men are turned on by the visual, a nice body, a flash of flesh, a lick of the lips.
Women are supposedly turned on by the romance part, the lead up - like a courting ritual.
So while a woman can turn a man on by wearing something revealing, or giving him a lap dance, or showing her ankle - a man must so the equivalent in order to heat her up, with things like taking charge, choosing a place to eat, giving her a massage or cooking a meal.
I don't really have the answers, but when the guy said it, it made sense.
Not guaranteed for every woman or every relationship, but I think making things less predictable and formulaic can keep women interested.

If you're gentle in bed, be a bit rough.
If you are rough often, be gentle and slow once in a while.
Tricks her brain.
Like people say about spicing up their sex-life or marriage, it takes effort but is worth it.
I think talking to the woman is a good first step, so it isn't all on you.

>>737918369
Of course she's here for attention.
She should post tits, then a 2 litre bottle of coke in her pooper.

You revisionists will excuse anything. Remember, there are no females on the internet. This can only be contradicted if tits are posted with a timestamp.

>>737918948
>That honestly bothered me because she never bothered to tell me that she planned on dropping out of school and not working.

Noting unusual. I was fooled by her advanced degree and career before we got married. Post marriage she found everything I thought she could do to be "too stressful" or too difficult.

I've been married almost 19 years and I still enjoy hanging out with my wife every time I get a chance.

Make sure you pick the right one.

>>737919476
I relate to you. Mine was a good student and held a job as well. After marriage she's quit every job and I'm stuck with 100%of the financial burden.

>>737918978
These are just bandaids. They work for a while but don't really address the issue of women being cunts. I'm guessing you aren't married and are just parroting some magazine bullshit.

>>737914736

>someone else's relationship ended
>so I can only assume it was because of us

How fucking arrogant can you get?

>>737919282
Wrong

>>737914399
Because marriage in the western world in the 21st century bares almost no resemblance to what it was intended to be or was in the past.

>>737914399
because mariage is not about love but money

>>737915786
You're a normal Man.

>>737914399
>>737914399
Because idiots make bad decisions.

Life is like one big LoL game. Everyone knows the basic idea, kill the Nexus, but no one has any idea how to make it happen. So instead of a victory, you get 45 minutes of assholes making bad decisions.

These are the same dipshits getting married to a female after 8 months then hating her 10 months later because she's a moron that can't cook, hold a job, ornaments conversation.

MGTOW.

>>737914399
>Why do people start to hate each other after getting married?

they don't. this only happened in your marriage genius. i'm willing to bet there is a nigger in the woodpile somewhere

>>737919967
I already said where the advice comes from, and that it sounds like it comes from cosmopolitan - but you are a thick blind cunt, so didn't bother to read.
It isn't patching up, it is machine maintenance. Needed for the lifetime of the parts.
Women are like children, you faggots that don't realise that they need constant input are doomed.
You shouldn't have listened to the equality memes.
.

>>737920015
Wrong.
I'm right.
She made a claim, now has to back it up. Otherwise it is just a faggot roleplaying and is worthless info.

Like me saying "hi I'm a neuroscientist and have 15 wives, this is how you solve all problems!".

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>>737914399

But they don't. Only couples who weren't supposed to be together in the first place start to hate each other. Marriage is a lifelong process between two people. The only idea behind marriage is a promise between two people to stay together until both of them are dead. There's no point to get married in the first place if there's even slightest chance that they could breakup.

What's the point to waste all that money, energy and everything else for a promise that might be broken?! The only people who should get married are the people who are 110% sure that they are ready to make that promise and keep that promise. The marriage is basically a promise that includes ceremonies and traditions. Nothing more. And what's the point even making such promises that you know you can't keep in a tough situation.

>>737914399
You date someone because you find them appealing and interesting...a few years go by and you learn everything about that person, she no longer interests you and your "love " fades...

>>737920534
>this only happened in your marriage
But I was never married.

>>737917279


I'm the guy you asked, and almost every marriage I know or see is like this. The ones that aren't are 2nd marriages who already went through their divorces.

>>737921153

>The only people who should get married are the people who are 110% sure that they are ready

We are talking about human beings as a species here, right? Most people in our society have problems deciding between whether to eat chicken or steak for dinner and you expect them to be completely sure about marrying someone?

>>737919967
>Took advice from a guy

Why even bother commenting if you aren't going to read what the guy had to say?

Fucking die faggot.

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>>737914707
>Because they don't have to WORK to maintain the relationship anymore.
A female acquaintance once told me it's because "We can now stop pretending". It's all just smoke and mirrors, straight from the whore's mouth.

No woman will ever love a man who willingly puts his balls in her purse.

>>737923399

Exactly. And that kind of people shouldn't ever make that promise (marriage). We waste all that money, time, energy... for a promise you know that you can't keep? The whole idea behind "promise" is that someone agrees to something and he/she is 100% certain that he/she can make it. In this case staying with another person until death. The whole idea and word promise becomes meaningless if people just break it when ever they want.

Do not promise things you can't keep. Simple as that.

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Dont get married fellas lol. See the trap society leaves for you! Im 32. Never married. Just banged a 19 year old like a week ago. Then i banged my fuck buddy a day ago. Lol. Why would you get married? I can jack off when i want, i can shit with my bathroom door open, i can hit on any chick i want, and i dont ever have to go to her familys events lol. Marriage is for the pathetic that cannot think for themselves or are too afraid of being alone. Lol. Its really a sad site to see but makes me happy to know im not trapped.

>>737914399
Because marriage is an obsolete, unnatural, forced "institution" that began as a compromise in tribes that had the shittiest philosophies, and just got worse and worse for thousands of years until it was re-marketed as having some bullshit to do with love, in the only slightly less crappy modern day extensions of those societies.

People should respect no claim of ownership over other people.

>>737919282
Revisionists?

>>737914707
MGTOW

>737923874

cool story bro.

>>737914707
what is prenup

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>>737923874
Most guys can't get sex without having to settle for a relationship. A woman's power is her puss, a man's power is his commitment. Give away your commitment too soon and you're the equivalent of a slut.

That said let the betas be beta. Better to fuck someone's wife than be the chump whose wife is getting fucked. I will never marry because I want grils to like me for who I am, not for what I can provide. the only way to keep a woman honest is not giving her anything but your body and company. Start handing out perks and you're basically pushing them to become dishonest once they fall out of love, because they'll wear any mask just for those perks. While fucking Chad on the side of course.

Tl;dr: only thing you can give a woman is a good dicking, otherwise you're screwing yourself over

>>737918176
How about she just love me for me, like I do with her? She's not going out of her way to keep me interested, so I'm not going to for her.

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>>737925096
>Always give her less than she gives you
>She's not yours to keep, only yours to have right now
>Women want what other women have, so keep flirting with other chicks and have her know about it
>be your own man
>Have backup chicks so you won't have to start from scratch each time
>Don't be a bitch

Sad as it is, don't count on eternal romantic love. That meme was outdated as soon as it was invented back in the renaissance. If you can't be happy on your own, all you can expect is an emotional dependence on some harpie who will tear our your heart anyway.

>>737915786
bruh.. all my feels for you. Im in the same situation mostly.
married for 7 years, together for 8. She loves sex and says I dont put out often enough. I just cant be bothered with the boring 2 positions and always having to initiate just to get hard. it sucks and the only real excitement I have anymore is thinking about leaving when my kids are old enough.

>>737925599
Thanks. Keep posting those messages. The rattling of your cage may serve as a warning to the rest.

I've just recently got engaged, I'm not sure I'm doing the right because I know it will make her happy but it's not what I want. Will I get happier or be in this unhappy state till I leave?

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>>737925713
IMO most of our current day problems stem from ignoring our gut feeling. Make of that what you will. But honestly, I think you're fucked. I've heard soooo many divorcees talk about how they didn't feel comfy about the whole ordeal right from the start. Spoiler: it never gets better.

>>737925687
I plan to. younger guy I work with I tell every time I can remember to NEVER GET MARRIED. shit fucking sucks. should have just started working out and smashing random bitches, living the good life.

>>737925713
BAIL OUT NOW!!! god dammit anon, fucking bail. jesus christ youll be in your 40's and have missed out on a shit load of opportunities. BAIL NOW!

>>737925713
I think you're fucking retarded for doing something not for yourself but for someone else. Someone who is going to treat you like shit for the coming years. You haven't noticed a change in behaviour yet? Many men think it's just pre-marriage induced stress. Imagine what a joke it is when they find out it's only the mask falling off.

I'm not 100% anti-marriage, but if you feel the need to vent about this on /b/ of all places, you better give this a long and hard thought. You can still bail. The longer you wait the messier it will become for all parties involved.

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>>737926067
Based anon. Have some tits. I hope you'll find happiness again one day. Remember, marriage is for how long you can suck it up. But divorce, divorce is forever.

>>737914399
All women are mentally ill bitches. But it is their goal in life to get married. They are conditioned from early on that their entire self-worth is based on whether they can convince some troglodyte to marry their bitchy fucking asses. The minute those vows are exchanged, it's not a marriage. It's a death match. It's a question of which of these two brain-dead zombies can outlast the other. Marriage is a death sentence, in that it only ends when sweet death comes to rescue you. And in most cases, it's the woman who outlives the man, so that she can badmouth him and spend all the money she encouraged him to save when he was alive. But by that time, her beauty has faded and nobody wants her anymore. She's just a bitter wretch of what was once a human being. So the men do sort of get even, in the end.

>muh marriage is a death sentence

fyi you're common-law married if you live with your gf, even if you don't get officially "married"

degenerates

>>737926541
whos this?

A woman's body physically/chemically changes for good after pregnancy/childbirth. Her body tells her that you're less interesting. Women live in the moment and always respect their emotions over anything else; rational contemplation of the entire history of your character, relationship etc. Once her child is old enough to not be clinging to her at all times, she realizes she wants good sex. But her body is telling her: this guy is okay to unfulfilling, we need something new and exciting -- someone that can make you feel 'alive/passionate' again.

Evolutionary pressures want a woman to have multiple partners precisely because she can expend resources toward her kids without question. The kid comes out of her body. While the pressure for a man is on mating as much as possible with one mate for best chance at producing as many viable offspring, while having a decent probability of knowing you're expending your resources on your own children. Man as spreader of seed, and woman as seeker of monogamy for 'protection' is the biggest fiction still perpetuated.

Evolutionary pressure doesn't favor fecundity, it favors actual reproductive success -- your child growing old enough to have there own child.

My wife was always honest about how she felt in the moment. How she physically lost interest in me. How after we separated she felt so passionate and was ready to dive headfirst into a new relationship. It's biological necessity that drives women by their strong emotions toward new partners.

People always lived in groups. A woman never needed one man to care for her. If she spread herself around she could get more resources and more protection from other male members of the group. The physical strength of men is the only pressure women have toward serial monogamy. Women didn't want to face the violence of a man against their children so they gradually accepted the culture of monogamy.

I'm just going to throw a few things in. You don't have to impress each other and after a while you don't. Life's huge problems bring out the best and worst in people, never seeing a person the same way you did is common. Medical and body issues can be drastic from baldness, rotting teeth and diseases. Midlife crises are real there is a point where if you don't try to escape, you never will and regret it.

Adult here, relationships aren't 24/7 fuckfests. Grown up kid. A couple kids are cute, 3-4 in a short time is hell. Someone will always edge out the other in income earned. Getting away from crying kids means getting a job and the other in a stay at home situation. The stay at home thinks the parent with a job has it easy and vice versa. In-laws almost always suck and expect them to meddle.

A 19 year old gamer isn't so cool, when he's 30. Same goes for the fb attention whore. Codependency is stronger than love and you'll hate your life, but keep on going.

Being overly jealous or not jealous enough can lead to cheating. Oxytocin is good shit and that cutie that he or she is just good friends with, smells better, looks better and is fresher compared. An outsider looking in would think you are crazy for fucking around.

After fucking, for a while that is just a eating, breathing, shitting human that you share the bulk of your time with.

Unless you are a clueless idiot. The good times/bad times ratio is always on the decline. One should get out before 50%, but as an example. Do you really think that the good times is worth being miserable 50%?...25%? What is your life worth when on your 20th anniversary, you spent 5 in hell.

>>737918978
You've been on /b/ for years, collecting insight shared by other /b/tards about marriage.

Reflect on that for a moment.

>>737926360
She says the things that will make her happy are marriage, kids and moving. I already told her i want to be with her for the long haul, she just wanted proof

>>737924783
>Implying prenups are foolproof
lel

>>737914399
I think it's just more of a sense of comfort that gets people. Either the dude or the girl.
For girls they have that sense of security. So they don't bother looking after their image as much, they stick to stagnant jobs, etc. Males get antsy because they feel trapped sometimes, and also getvcomfortable.

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>>737927119
You got scammed. having your chick impose an ultimatum upon you because she feels her face and uterus shrivelling up, good start for a healthy marriage.

Bro, reclaim your balls and break up with her today. Don't wait for the right moment there is none. DO EEET. Save yourself you fucking idiot.

>>737914399
They don't always start to hate one another.

And to think I DIDN'T want to be a wizard for all this misery. Thanks guys. Guess the grass is always looks greener on the other side, huh?

>>737926995
I have been married for 18 years. Our anniversary was 7/3, and I just realized that I completely forgot about it. I truly did. There is nothing good that comes from a marriage. I have one daughter and she is a detached, self-obsessed, emotionless twit just like her mother. We live like ghosts in a big house ignoring each other. There is no good/bad ratio in our marriage. It is 100% horrible. I can be gone for a week and when I stop home to do laundry she gives me a look that tells me I wasn't gone long enough. My best friend killed himself in mid-May and I am pretty convinced I am going to be joining him soon. I just have a few loose ends to tie up.

>>737914399
Because that's the final "grand gesture" to a female from a male.

Now there's nothing left to do except stay together, which is what there was already before marriage. That shits boring. So here comes the annoyance and longing for another to give them a grand gesture outside of the marriage.

Marriage is a joke. Don't do it.

>>737927386
Just go talk to a lawyer and take the babysteps until you get to divorce her. killing yourself over a woman is almost as retarded as actually marrying her. if you divorce her you'll prolly go back to living in a shitty one room apartment, but at least you'll have your freedom again. And I guarantee you once you cum balls deep in a new chick you'll know how it is to be alive again.

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>>737914399
Because nigga if women get bored of you they will lie and cheat then break it off at the worst time then take all your shit and make you want to kill your self...

I'd give anything to have the chance to live in the same space as my children for their entire childhood. Bitch kicked me out of my family and I'm like the babysitter. Would deal with anything for the chance at putting in the day-to-day grind of fatherhood again.

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>>737924921
Yes Goy don't commit yourself to any female they are all soulless sluts that just want Chads cock stay single forever and don't reproduce

>>737927605
Joke's on you, I'm a sperm donor. Now that my biological imperative is taken care of I don't need to spend the rest of my life with some frigid bitch who hates me and ignores me when I come home.

>>737925713
Get out now while you still can

>>737927522
She has robbed me of my ability to function as a man. I have not had an erection in years and I am a white male in my mid-40's. When women look at me, they see whatever is on the wall behind me. I hate to disagree with you, and maybe many other people could make a fresh start. I just don't have it in me. She has been sucking the life out of me for years. I have spent the past 5 years doing volunteer work every Saturday just so that I don't have to interact with her. Even that has stopped being fun.

>>737927804
Dude get yourself a couple of chubbie bitches for different nights. Start smoking a little pot here and there. Fuck those fat bitches like little piggies...o and start eating Arbys

>>737914399
because women don't understand and/or care about a man's plight
and men are initially too naive to fully understand what it means to provide and care for someone else.
>Kids, pets, and friends aren't the same as a full grown human adult that you're sort of responsible for whether they can survive on their own or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djh_wam9U3U

>>737927804
I'm not saying you'll recover 100%; but maybe when you get away from the constant negative vibes you might find things in life you'll enjoy again. It's worth a try man. I truly hope you'll make it. Just follow my advice and at least go talk to a lawyer, see what your options are.

>>737928200
A lawyer and a couple of back up bitches. Don't get off of a bus until you have another to jump on

>>737927386
I had 13 of common law bro. The sad thing is that I feel now that I wasted 13 on someone that wasn't worth it. Living a work a day life is fucking cruise control. And we don't take our eyes off the road until the tires fall off.

Hindsight is 20/20 looking back. You can see all the decisions big and small that led you to your current location.

Don't get me wrong, women are a great part of life. But like my Dad always tried to tell me, don't dig your grave with your prick.

>>737917279
I don't know. 8 years in and I'm still happy. I can't imagine us devolving into what everyone else here describes... but one factor could be that we don't have kids.

>>737928200
>>737928366

My best friend took his own life in mid-May and I am carrying this massive guilt that is now hanging over me like bad karma. I knew him for 28 years and I did everything I could to help him through his darkness, but it was not enough. My wife did not go with me to the wake or the funeral mass. She has never acknowledged his death, or said she was sorry for my loss. She even turned his memorial card over so the picture wasn't visible, and told my daughter that the picture "creeped her out." What sort of heartless cunt does something like this?

So why do you guys hate your wives? What could they have done to not make you hate your life? Legitimately interested.

>>737929227
Been nice people.

>>737929227
OP here, not married. Just curious because it seems I hear more horror stories than love stories.

>>737929227
unrealistic expectations on both ends

>>737929283
Love is imaginary. Mythological. It is like a Unicorn.

>>737914399
because love doesn't actually exist, and after the societal pressure to marry and start a family is removed, reality sets in

>>737928860
A creature without a sense or honour or the ability to get outside the "me me me" mindset. I bet she was pissed because suddenly the world wasn't revolving around her, if only for just a split second. Honestly, your story is tragic but it doesn't surprise me. I've heard countless stories like that, and even saw it happen to my older brother as our mother was on her deathbed. You can still get out. I know she's got a firm grip on you, but that's what they do man. At least you're thinking and talking about it. that means at least you're aware of the situation. But there comes a time that there has been enough talk and there needs to be action. You are responsible for that action.

Whatever you do, if you do end up killing yourself, do it AFTER you've divorced her. Don't give that bitch anything where you can help it. Don't just do it for yourself, do it for your buddy who passed away. he's gone but you can still live. Do it for him

>>737928860
She is just out for your submission or retaliation. People have two faces, one they put on for strangers and one they wear at home.

When bullies look for a fight they don't call up Mike Tyson, they pick on a sure thing

>>737919525
\thread

>>737929227
They could have been a ruthless bitch earlier.

>>737929407
Thank you for your insights. Unusual to find a real, thinking human in this internet cesspool.

>>737924783
This

>>737925713
Do you make a bunch of money?
Did she start hounding you to get married as soon as you started making a bunch of money?

>>737929836
You're welcome man, I just hope you'll find the strength.

>>737914399
People don't bother to live with the person before getting married and then they are shocked at the loser they married.

been married 6 years, together for 10 years.

people are correct in stating women get lazy and complacent. And as the man i am in the worse position as she can take half my shit if I divorce her. There is no incentive anymore for women to try.

she showers twice a week, shaves once a week, is not about 240 pounds, lost her job and just sits at home all day watches tv, and on top of all that talks shit to me over the tiniest mistakes i make.

meanwhile, I work out every day , shower daily , make an effort to eat right, and generally try a little

>>737926976
So.... only way to keep her faithful is to give her the old irish eye mask.

Read you loud and clear

>>737930562
It will never get any better. Take it from someone who has lived this. Get out now while you still can rebuild your life.

I've only been with mine for a year and I'm fucking miserable, her fucking routine is literally

>wake up
>ciggerette
>sit on the couch
>eat
> ciggerette
>wait for work
>try get me to drive her (7 min walk)

She's constantly drinking Diet Coke and eating toast, an absolute grub leaving clothes on the ground the toothpaste lid open, can't even fcking put a new roll of tp in the holder. If I had of known she was going to be like this I'd have dumped her ages ago, I'm fuckin stuck because we signed a lease renting a big house thinking she would be motivated ect, nope. Fuck this cunt waiting up for me to come home from gym to take her to the 24hr shop to get hotbox food an coke, and constantly "I love you "

I FUCKING GET IT CUNT SHUTUP

I don't need to say I love you 20 times a day and every fuckin txt msg has loveheart emoji.

>>737930717
>I FUCKING GET IT CUNT SHUTUP

Kek

>>737915694

monogamy /= one partner for life


I see the argument all the time and it is a fallacy. Creatures can devote their time and effort one other for a period of time, then move to another. I'm a "commitment junkie" and have had several very serious, long-term girlfriends and few less shorter relations. This does not exclude me from being monogamous, which I would readily describe myself as.

>>737927533
Can confirm bruh, I'm hooking up with a chick who is doing that to her husband right now

>>737927701
Savage

>>737930871
Oh man i fucking hate my life, I can't wait till the lease runs out, I'm going to chase work outta town and ditch this waste, funny thing is she is actually pretty hot. Fucking fuming this cunt has the mentality of honeybooboo.

It's Disney princess syndrome they all expect that.

I never wanted to be that Prince. So it's like a Ninja Turtle and Snow White, trying to find common ground after they get tired of fucking.

>>737916087
wow, and you sound young too. can you explain this to my daft 35yo wife who thinks everything in mariage is common compromise except for sex please ?

>>737914707
What kind of cuck fantasy are you on about? Sign a fucking prenup like any mature adult and keep the relationship legitimate. If your woman has an issue with signing a prenup, there's your red flag.
>>737927169
They are if you spend a little extra money to have a legitimate lawyer do it instead of your uncle Bob.

>>737931210
You already have the answer. Just think of it as leasing her as well.

>>737916635
same here. im also handsome and ripped and she got so fat. so im basically walking by day having all these women giving me sexy eyes just to come back home and have to beg my whale of a wife to give me 5 minutes of missionary.

shit sux man.

Arigato,

I'm extremely Yandere and I'd really like a Dandere waifu desu. Any senpai with some protips?

Sayonara

I'd consider myself a realist, alright? But in philosophical terms I'm what's called a pessimist... I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware. Nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself - we are creatures that should not exist by natural law... We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self, that accretion of sensory experience and feelings, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody's nobody... I think the honorable thing for our species to do is to deny our programming. Stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction - one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal.

>>737931656
>5 minutes of missionary
God dammit. My long term gf is like that already and we're not even married.

I have the exact opposite problem of most married people.
My gf is career obsessed.
It's not about money (because actually she isn't making that much). She just gets her validation as a person through career.
She became so much of a workaholic she feels guilty when relaxing and is sleep deprived too.
Sometimes I feel like I'm just another entry on her schedule.

Can woman actual function properly in society? It seems like woman exasperate everything they're involved in.

>>737930659
I don't want to lose my 4 year old son and my home and everything I worked so hard for

>>737932815
You already lost it.
Ending it now will make it painless compared to what you will have to endure in a decade or two.

>>737932737
Knock her up.

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>>737932815
Sunk-Cost Fallacy

The intoxicating pheromones is just that stinky pussy. It always has been. You are all just seeing past the facade.

intimacy without the friendship. you live with someone long enough you will argue and say shit you don't really mean....but do you and the partner have enough love in the bank to overcome it?

people also change and can grow apart. but really...if you want to reap the rewards of a long relationship it takes a lot of work. sometimes wondering if it'll work out. on the other hand some relationships aren't worth the trouble if your partner doesn't want to put in the same work you do.

I'm in my first long term relationship. I'm 35. been together 9 years. before that I never had a relationship last a year. usually done in 6 months.

Same shit here. Together for 15 yrs, married 7. Have a 6yo son which is practically the only good thing going on in my life.
I have become depressive, lost will for most stuff that used to make me happy.
On the other hand she isn't too happy either but unlike me she bitches constantly.
It's a shit relationship for sure.
We have very little sex, but it's so meh that I sometimes even regret doing it. Zero drive from her side.
About a year ago I lost weight and worked out. Felt great. Then lost all will to do that anymore. Feel like shit now

>>737914549
Married 9 years and together 10.5, so far as go.

>>737923874
I've been married 9 years and never wanted to be the old guy at the bar. Also 31 and thank god im not. Dinner is always ready, home cleaned, can take an open door shit and never have to use a condom. No weird shit like HPV or herpes, that condoms don't even protect against.

>>737915786
Nothing is wrong with you /b/ro. After a certain amount of time it just isn't worth the effort to have the same fucking thing you've been getting for years. Like my ex wife said, "The Subway Club is a pretty good sandwich and I love to eat one often, but once in awhile I want to have a Turkey Bacon Deluxe. "
After she got remarried I was the Turkey Bacon Deluxe.

>>737933626
>it takes a lot of work.
be specific

what do you actively do?

Time to see the writing on the wall Anon. Prostitution is the world's oldest profession. Women don't need marriage just as much as we don't.

The next time a hot piece wiggles her tits. Remember all the pictures of girls cuter and younger than her right here on /b/.

And meditate on why exactly are you the guy marrying her or laying her up in your home.

The hottest slut in the history of mankind, has had a man who hated her guts and just wanted out.

>>737914707
>marrying a poor or middle class money whore

There is your problem

>>737918084
This nigger speaks the truth.

Marriage is only good if you come from an ethnic background where the society still believes in family values. If you are Indian, Croatian, Albanian, Spanish etc etc, then go for it because your society will support you.

But if you are a western white male, marriage with a western white female in a western societal setting is nothing short of a joke.

>>737914399

Humans have flaws.

When you're first dating someone, you're not actually seeing "them". You're superimposing the ideal on top of them and seeing the composite. Why is this relevant and not Psych 101?

Because after you've lived together for a while, your imagination begins to fail. You realize this is a person who may deceive, belch, go 3 days without a shower, neglect to do the dishes, cook poorly.

Believe it or not, the old timers had it right on this one.

The way to a successful marriage is:

A. A dominant but compassionate husband;
B. A submissive but effective wife;
C. Real respect, understanding, and conversation.

tl;dr A wife who has a problem saying "obey" should evaluate her relationship. A man who has a problem saying "death do us part" should evaluate his relationship.

All the Dems have Obama type marriages with ugly man-to-man and they are unhappy.

All the Trump Bois are grabbing pussy and partying.

Serious question here

What are the odds of someone in a relationship cheating? I see it all the time nowadays yet I also see tons of married couples so i'm wondering what the actual rate is

Most everybody loves their Mom right? Was your father a happy man? Are they still married?

Yes, no and maybe.


And that's Mom, our most beloved woman.

Seeing all these stories is sad. I posted previously about being married 9 years.>>737934251

I do notice the people bitching are most likely betas. I have two kids. Have never woken up to feed them when they were infants. She's the one with tits, she feeds the kids and wakes up with them. My friend told me he wasn't getting much sleep from his baby who was the same age as mine. He's a beta. I have cleaned the bathroom 1 in 10 years. Not my job, her's. She doesn't work, bringing home the money is my job. I have a 3 and 5 year old and never clipped their nails, her job. My week is work, relax and watch sports and sci-fi, play baseball, eat and sleep. My wife and I still fuck weekly. She may not want it, but she knows it's her job.

I've come to the conclusion the push of feminization on men is what's caused people to be miserable.

>>737915994
I've been married 10+ years now - if my wife wants to fuck 2+ times in a single month then it's a red-letter year already

>>737935424
100%

Here's the rub. How far are you willing to go or not go to prevent it?

The sex breaking down isn't always a sign of the relationship breaking down.

Men hit their physiological sexual peak at 17, give or take, and are geared toward variety. There are great evolutionary reasons this is so.

If you commit to a woman at 20, you're not going to be fucking at 40 the way you were at 20. Part of it is hormones > you wouldn't be fucking as much with ANY woman. Part of it is sameness - the thrill is gone. Well, that's what a thrill does. You have it, then the motherfucker is gone. People who resent that are ungrateful and unrealistic. They think they're going to be the belle of the ball or the high school quarterback forever, and it just ain't so.

>>737934812
The only truthful points you make is C and the last half of your tl;dr except it applies to both a husband and wife. Perhaps you could never find love in a woman who doesn't see you as a second, or first, god, but that isn't how the world works. At least though you aren't belligerent in it. A marriage is a bonding of two people, regardless of who they are. At least the definition of marriage in the society in the US, where I live. Men can be dominant and women can be submissive, women can be dominant and men submissive. Neither side can dominate the other. Most likely I'll get shit on for saying all this but especially this, that two gay men or two gay women can pick and choose who, if anyone at all, runs the marriage. The most important aspect to a successful marriage, and I'm not saying this is a complete end all be all way of it, is love. If someone gets divorce after divorce then they aren't looking for love, or a soulmate. They're looking for a time waster and a bed filler. No matter who you are, you must go into a marriage truly ready to spend all your days embracing the one you marry, regardless of flaws and shortcomings. Perhaps you don't feel marriage is your thing, or maybe you got married too fast and now the whole idea of it is tainted, or maybe your parents had such a tumultuous relationship you're completely put off. But the thing that matters most is your love and desire to have a happy life with the person you chose, and the will to put effort to make that work. Some might not agree with me, but if a married couple wants the marriage to work all they have to do is put effort into that want.

Tl;dr love people, stop being selfish, and put effort into living and living with others

>>737936066

tits or gtfo.

>>737930717
you made my day anon, ty.

>>737927804
not having wood for that long is symptomatic of something else, something unrelated to the she-devil sucking your will to live. Go see a doc about it, esp if you're on any long-term maintenance meds - seemingly innocuous shit can fug up Junior's ability to get up (eg, daily doses of Flonase)

>>737936066

"Perhaps you could never find love..."

Every organization has a leader. That leader can take an authoritative, delegative, or participative approach, but make no mistake, they are the leader. I respect my wife more than every other human being on earth. I value her every opinion, I take time to consider her input, and I try to incorporate any compromises. I would never lord over my wife.

But I am the leader. She knows it and, more importantly, I know it and act accordingly. I'm not confused about my gender or my place in the universe; neither is she.

Why does that disturb you so? Wouldn't you feel better knowing you have a MAN in your life than some fairy who gets pushed around by the wind?

>>737935484
Sounds like you're just a bad father. I understand her taking over housework if she's at home but child care is for both of you. Your kids won't have a good relationship with you if this keeps up.

>>737930717
I'm glad I'm not the only one who lives lile this. Except mine doesn't work. The feels...

>>737929227
Did you not read a single post in this thread?

>>737936794
I's be creepin on da come up. When yo ass is visiting dad president of Mars or some stupid shieet. I be emancipating dem ass cheeks and pardoning dat ass. 2 terms later you have my little niggas sucking dem titties, "talking about gibsmedat!"

>>737936794
Seems like you don't understand what partnership is.

Both people have their own strengths and weaknesses and feed off of each other. There's no requirement for a leader there

>>737938606

Suppose one of my strengths is making the right decision under pressure, and one of your weaknesses is the inability to do that. Suppose my strength is being frugal with money, and your weakness is spending it on perms.

What part of that scenario speaks to the absence of a need for leadership?

We are partners, but I retain executive authority. You're confusing leadership for ownership, likely due to poor examples of leadership in your past.

I've been married for 40 years, my wife is the second girl I slept with, I'm the first and only guy she's slept with. We got married at 18, just finished highschool.
We both had great careers, we had dogs instead of kids until our 40s when we had one kid.
My wife has gained weight, yes, but we've been married 40 years, I've gained weight as well.
Neither one of us has ever cheated, our sex life was always pretty good (now we're old people so it's a bit lacking, but we still get it on once in a while)
Just make sure you pay attention to what each other needs, and I really mean pay attention, communicate.
You're wife's acting different? There is a reason, don't just assume she'll tell you. Maybe you're doing something that bothers her, but she figures it's not a big deal, but it's festering in that mind of hers, ask her questions,talk to her.
A lot of younger men figure, okay I'll marry her, she'll be happy, and things will just be the same for the rest of our lives, no upkeep nessisary.
Your wife isn't a fog, she isn't going to just be happy to see you all the time, end of story.
She's still living life day to day with internal struggles, she's still growing and trying to find herself, especially in a new marriage.
Things won't be the same for the rest of your lives and you'll have to adjust, same as her.

She is never in the mood for sex? Romance her,and don't just try it one night and if it doesn't work, give up. Show her you really want her, that you're still attracted to her, not just living the day to day with her until you die or get divorced.

>>737939358
>Neither one of us has ever cheated
HAHA that's what you think.

>>737928678
8 years isn't enough time. A good amount of time this starts happening is around 10-15 years. Women get too comfortable and don't bother anymore.

>>737938606

Try to envision a darling little man, asking his wife to sit down and talk about when they might have time for sex. Really let that feeling sink in.

That's what the entire relationship is like when you're "equal". An adult woman saying "I just want a partner" is parallel to a high school girl saying "I just wish I could find a nice guy." No. No you don't. You wish you could find someone worthy of your submission, but you'll settle for some "partnership" in the mean time.

So I assume 99% of the "wives" ITT are from some mod of Skyrim?

>>737918978
I'm sorry but if you need to try that hard to please the bitch to even try and bandage the relationship, it isn't worth it. She needs to be putting equal amount of effort into it. Sure you should be taking her out, but if she isn't anything but taking, then she should take a bullet to the head.

Because you don't believe marriage is an eternal covenant that Jesus Christ defended. I married my wife after 9 months of knowing her. It's been 10 years this next may. Divorce was never an option, and we both put our religious beliefs above ourselves. Enjoy your secular world I guess, idk what else you faggots expect.

>>737940008
says more about you than anyone else in this thread, what was your goal here?

seems kind of pointless

>>737939507

I consider myself an equal with my girlfriend of 6+ years and we don't need to sit down and schedule sex, it just happens because we both want to fuck each other.

Sounds like you've bought into this 4chan "cuck" mentality where you think all women need to be fucked like animals and all men need to be alpha males with 10 inch cocks. Being on equal footing with your partner doesn't make you a "cuck" or mean you don't have passion in your relationship, it just means you're mature enough to understand that a relationship is a give and take and that a relationship where one person always has the upper hand isn't a healthy relationship.

>>737940303
I don't have a wife on Skyrim bro. I have a husband.

>>737940582
>over your head it goes

>>737939444
We live in the woods, miles from anyone and my wife can't drive.
I've always dropped her off everywhere, and we didn't get internet until our kid was in his young teen years. I've been retired of 20 years, and have had nothing but time on my hands, I would have noticed. Aside from that, we always do everything together that isn't work.

I've always trusted my wife and visa versa. We've never given each other reason not to.

>>737940669
>and into my knee
>incidentally
>an arrow to the knee is slang for married

>>737940733
The key to a successful marriage is to take a woman prisoner?

>>737940733
>the only way you can keep a girl from cheating is to live in the middle of nowhere and take away her driver's license

>>737940912
Because she can't drive she's a prisoner?
I didn't say she's not allowed to drive.
Legally she's not allowed to drive because she doesn't have a licence, yes.
That's because she can't drive.

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>>737929227
Read the thread, but I'll put it in easy steps for women who read this post.
>don't withhold sex, a good sex life with your husband is a good life for both of you
>your life isn't harder than your husband's life, give him reassurance and be there for him
>Initiate more with random events, he probably takes you out to places while you bitch about it. Take him out.
>stop being a self absorbed cunt
>tell him how much you care about him
>don't fucking get fat because you don't feel the need to try anymore. You can tell how much you give a shit about him by the looks of your own body.
>he should be the #1 you think about, if hes not then just be honest and tell him. A bitch that ignores his husband for that reason just makes it hard to live with them
>be honest, simple as that.

Women often feel the need to make things more complicated than it needs to be. Honesty is the best medicine for any relationship, friends or couples. It's not hard to have a stable relationship, women just need to fucking try to be decent people and be there for their partner like he is for you.

>>737927701
you don't know if your sperm will be used

>>737940912
>>737940941
On top of that, we also don't live in the middle of the woods anymore, we moved into the city to be closer to our son and his wife.

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>>737915994
That's a great average for a long term marriage. I was married for 14 years and by the end it was like once a month, if that.

Fucking the same woman for that long gets boring, even after she let me fuck her asshole. It really got to the point where I preferred jerking off.

>>737941404
Do you and your son put your wives into the same cell?

>>737940733
which is why it's so easy for her to fuck behind your dumbass back.

>>737940912
>>737940941
yes

>>737941517
Can you tell me what leads you to believe my wife is a prisoner?
Aside from the fact that she is a bad driver and can't get a licence?

>>737939358
>putting everything into it and all your effort so you can make her feel like its high school

If she isn't in the mood for sex, there is no bothering. If you need to fully go out of your way to make her feel something, it means she doesn't care to begin with. She needs to put an equal amount into the relationship. If she isn't thinking those things as well, then she is a waste of life.

>>737939480
My mother dated and lived with a man for 10+ years. Their marriage lasted less than 2.


But that's also my mother.....

>>737941543
>>737941517
>>737940941
>>737940912
>>737939444
TIL /b/ is so jaded they think that your wife has to be a prisoner or cheating in order for a marriage to last longer than 10 years