Is there anyone honestly afraid that hell exists?

>>737771882
I know it exists. We're already here.

>>737771882
Nah. I'm gonna be punished cause God made me a fuck up? Nah I'm good.

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>>737771927
This.

>>737771882
if in hell i'm still human i will develop tolerance for suffering mental and psychical.
either way heaven is place where you are constantly happy so this mean you can't be unhappy, this leads to no_free_will.exe.
Question is be redpilled in hell for cost of not even eternal suffering or blue pilled in heaven. without free will

>>737771882
which version of hell?

>>737771882
We're already in hell. Being alive is our punishment for being shitty people.

>>737771979
Haha

>>737771882
No because this isn't a cartoon and my parents didn't care enough to brainwashing me into believing it.

Some say we reveiw our lives in the next life. If thats true, i couldnt think of a worse hell

>>737771882
I think I was in hell for 500 years but they let me out to preach the word of the devil

although I could just be crazy

>ITT 2 much edge 4 me

>>737771882
No because hell is subjective

>>737771882
Once you learn to love hell, you will realize that you are in heaven.

>>737771882
Isnt that hell (greco-roman/germanic) is pagan invention in christianity? Like judaism does not have that cocept?

>>737773041
Man, watching yourself jerk off. Yep that's hell.

The worst hell is the one where you are reborn on this planet over and over again. Couldn't think of anything worse I think.

>>737771882
fuck no death is nothing and is nowhere

Why would it?

>>737773677
jews either dont believe in hell or its basically a reform school

>>737772706
Jewish verison

>>737774214
which is what?

>>737771882
Not me. The way I see it, if you sin (break God's laws) you'd be treated as royalty in hell, seeing as Satan is opposed to God. Why would Satan burn you and cram pitchforks up your ass for eternity when you are clearly on his side?

>>737771882
Nah man, Hell exists to scare people into doing good so they aren't punish for eternity. This really just shows that religious people do not believe that Humans are capable of doing good deeds on their own.

>>737774185
Jews believe in Sheol, or Gehenna which was derived from Valley of Hinnom where Molech worship practiced.

Hell exists. Read up on some negative NDE. Greatest trick of Devil--kaiser solche knew it. Universe is kata/ana in 4th dimenson, Kata is home 7 heavens, Ana is the "basement" separated from the Tetragrammaton. Yet because these 4th dimensons are kata/ana literally just "next to us" 90 degrees in 4th dimensional plane.

Lucifer is the Satan/Shaitan, they great Adversary and go on not believing in him. Just know he believes in you and wants you to exercise your freewill and have all the worldly knowledge you would like, and focus on Babel towers and not humility and humanity and knowing a deity gave his avatar so you could be reconciled to him, since the tetragrammaton was separated from humans by a factor of inifinity,

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>>737774612
>kaiser solche
>solche

>>737771882
The world we live in is Hell.

>>737774265
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13563-sheol
Not the anon you replied to, but I think this is it. Basically a pit which puts you at the furthest possible distance from god and heaven.

>>737773946
Indeed

>>737773997
Humans have a very powerful energy that passes on after you die, some would call a soul. The universe wastes nothing

>>737771882
>afraid
no, but rather hopeful.

>>737771882
i know someone who who got a voicemail from the devil

>>737775069
How did he know for sure

Hell is real. And most of you are going there.

>>737774493
Because the devil likes to provoque suffering, he make it look like hell isnt that bad so he can convince people into harming others, and then he harms the harmers when they die

>>737775146
Because she threaten to keep the kids if she didn't get the child support

>>737774973
>wastes nothing
the fuck is that supposed to mean
>humans have very powerful energy
HAH fuck no, your cells die, degrade, rott, and then decompose into the same shit that made us in the first fucking place.

but lets get back to your point, what energy exactly is it being converted into?
is it light (photons)?
is it heat?
kinetic?
electrical?
there's so many different types, pls do tell..

>>737771927
edgy

There were times...

>>737775146
i listened to it, he literally sold his soul to the devil and immediately after received a voicemail from a restricted number

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>>737775277

>christians say that if you break the 10 commandments, you go straight to hell
>christans say that no matter how many of the commandments youve broken, if you ask god for forgiveness then you go to heaven
If all you gotta go is ask forgiveness, then why the fuck are people sent to hell?

>murder 1000 infants
>sorry god
>free pass into eternal paradise no harm no foul

>>737771882
Whether or not it exists doesn't matter. Be a non shit human being. Fear shouldn't lead to morality. Morality should just be a thing.

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>>737771882
It is very real.

>>737775303
Ur a cocky little fuck arent ya?
I havent died so i dont know. Nobody does.
Maybe that "energy" passes on to another dimension

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>>737775588

>>737775408
Shouldve put it on youtube

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>>737775588
.

>>737775555
Agreed.

If god knows everything that transpires in our lives, before they even happen, then why would god send us to hell? Did I choose to come to Earth if I had a soul? For what reason? The answer to this question can only be interpreted by us humans in our flawed human ways, which means the question can never be answered until we bite the dust. So what do we do in the mean time? Survive, I suppose.

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>>737775449
1. Either God forgives ALL sin or no sin.
2. God decided to forgive all sin.
3. You simply need to trust the gospel.
4. The gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of God in the flesh (Jesus Christ)
5. If you simply believe it (trust it) you're now saved.

6. There is a parable in the Bible that deals with your "problem".

Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? - Matt 25:15

Parable of the workers.
Some worked 12h
Some worked 1h
Both got paid the same.
The people that worked 12h were mad.
Yet they had no reason to be.
Wake up, O dead one.

this is hell

carbon is 6 electrons, 6 protons, 6 neutrons.

we are the beasts.

the sun is basically satan

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>>737771882
I'm fairly sure intelligent life persists postmortem, but it's probably something you'd not like; a shame for those who are mentally ill or not self aware. It's a melting pot of nonsensical chaos where all sentience in the universe has a chance of slipping through and--if I'm not just tripping balls--we all are just a roulette away no matter what.

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>>737775588
..

been pretty close to dead a couple times and still never met jesus, so i have no reason to believe in heaven or hell

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>>737775588
Salvation.

>>737773041
You can review your life anytime you want though

>>737771882
hell can be real, we'd create it for ourselves, others are born into it, by their ancestors

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>>737775588
Arise O sleeper
Harken unto the LORD your God.
Jesus.

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>>737775588
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. - Rev 12:9

>>737776043
uh go on? que?

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>>737775588
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I believe hell is an end of your conciousness and existance or the realization of what it truly is followed by a less desirable path we cannot understand now, probably not the shit Dante dreamed up. I believe to say this life is hell shows not only a lack of imagination but a true disconnection from the idea that we live in the greatest age of humanity; not perfect, but the best thus far. Paul said, paraphrasing, that some of us would just sleep and never wake again after death. I think that hell is truly the most terrifying but thats me.

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>>737775588
They mock you in plain sight.

>>737775971

>he might not save you
>believe in him and he'll save you

So which is it?

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>>737775588
All of you keep saying "I believe" "My opinion is" etc. Garbage.
Nobody cares about your beliefs.
Only the TRUTH matters.

>>737771882
Not even a little.

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>>737776947
He will save you, if you believe the gospel.
What's the problem? What don't you get?

>>737771927
truth

>>737774535
>people thousands upon thousands of years ago recognized how utterly moronic, selfish, psychopathic, disgusting, and hurtfull humanity is
wow, i think the majority of western so called "leaders" need to take a little trip back in time to recognize these facts.
just look at how fucking stupid they are, inviting millions upon millions of strangers into their homes, people who spent the better part of the last decade slaughtering their own peers who share their own religeous and cultural life views.

just imagine what the fuck they'll do to people who don't even speak the same language as them. as if their mobster run familias aren't going to follow them into their new countries.

>>737777171
You just said
>1. Either God forgives ALL sin or no sin.

Then, you said
>5. If you simply believe it (trust it) you're now saved.

Which is it?

>>737775655
and now there are other dimensions?
holy hell kid, bring yourself back to reality.

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>>737775588
Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

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>>737776779
Why do Christ-fags always full-caps "god" as "GOD?" I even see it in advertising for churches when I expect them to, at least, be somewhat literate. Pronouns warrant a single capital letter and, forgive my austismo, but I can only imagine it as if the text is typed to come off as if the are literally yelling out "GAWWWWDuh!". It isn't endearing or cute. It makes me want to cringe so hard, my face might just implode.

>>737777481
Prove it.

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>>737777426
God cannot interfere with your free will.
So God already paid for all the sins of the world.
But if you never trust that He paid for them, you're rejecting His payment for your sins and you're going to have to spend eternity trying to appease an infinitely just God. Which is why hell is eternal.

Do you get it now?

There are IF conditions. He cannot just pay for all your sins and that's it. You need to accept the free gift.

>>737775069
I got a letter from the devil three days after extensively researching people who sold their soul

Hell is real

>>737777439
Dude what are you doing on this thread?

>>737777366
>just imagine what the fuck they'll do to people who don't even speak the same language as them

oh wait you don't have to imagine, just turn on the news, they're always doing something damaging to their new refuge..

>>737777708
Reminder that God "paying" for sins that God came up with is nonsensical, and that's before even getting into how grotesque substitutional atonement is.

>>737777881
i'm currently trying to figure out just wtf this retard is talking about

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>>737777568
"is" was also capital letters.
I don't write God, GOD.
God, the only true God is written as "God" and that's it. Damn you're pathetic. You get all this info, the only thing you care about is how I wrote something. So pathetic.

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>>737778108
So when a judge judges you to go to prison the judge is nonsensical because crime is something society came up with?

You're a fucking moron.

"hurr durr don't pay for you crimes!" idiots on here, I bet you're a nice, fat atheist too.

>>737775449
It's more than asking forgiveness, it is modeling your life after Christ and what he taught. If you are doing it right, you are asking forgiveness constantly until you change the components of your life entirely. This change should see you doing less "bad" and thereby asking for forgiveness less or more likely for "less severe" things. Simple formula, be the best person you know how to be and push yourself each day to be a bit better. No one is perfect; we all think shit thoughts and do shit things

>>737778167
You capitalize the word god as God when it is used as a proper noun. It is lowercase otherwise.

Example:
"In the Bible, God gave the Ten Commandments to Moses"
"The god of the Bible gave the Ten Commandments to Moses"

>>737771882
It's more believable than a magic nothing that exploded for no reason creating all that exists and life appearing out of nowhere to turn into us after an infinite number if mathematically impossible accidents.

>>737778167
It wasn't just about you, It's virtually everywhere. As I said, even in advertising. I just got Vietnam flashbacks of normies. Don't get buttfrustrated.

>>737777708
>God cannot interfere with your free will.
I thought God had the power to do anything he pleases? He is literally the "all powerful God" after all.

>Do you get it now?

No, because you say one thing, then another, now you're saying God is incapable of doing something even though he's God

You said if I asks for forgiveness, god may or may not forgive me. Then, you say god will forgive me if I ask for forgiveness...

Which. Is. It?

>>737778136
>being this triggered over someone else's opinions on the afterlife
reeeee

>>737777825
Lets see it

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>>737778311
No.

You do not need to model your life after Jesus Christ to be saved. That's called works salvation and will send you to hell.

The reason God came down and died for all our sins and lived a perfect life is BECAUSE we can't follow the law.

>>737778308
No, but it would be nonsensical if the judge went to prison in your place or sent his son there instead.

>>737774612
what the fuck lol

a deity gave his avatar..

dude translate some of this shit

>>737771882
I think I'm more afraid of the idea of nonexistence than Hell. I know that's really stupid and I'm sure there are plenty people here who are comfortable with the idea of nothing, but I personally love feeling and perceiving, even if it sucks.

>>737778425
Long gone in the trash where it belongs, I didn't bring it into my home

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>>737778415
I have never said "If you ask for forgiveness God may or may not forgive you" that's retarded. I just started posted on here. This is my first post:

>>737775588

If you believe the gospel, you're saved. There is no maybe or might. It's 100% certainty.

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>>737778353
True.
Now days the more scientists learn about our universe, the more theyre inclined to the idea of a grand architect. Even the egghead atheist ones think so

God brought me down to Hades one time, it's beautiful like the rest of creation. There is where evil can lurk. I would go again if I had the reason to go, and no, I'm not afraid.

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>>737778440
No it would not. Someone has to pay for crime. It's either you or someone in your stead who is willing to do it for you.

You need to use your God given brain and think.

>>737778432
Actually blind faith without rejection of your sins also gets you to hell to for even the demons claim he is lord.
You're supposed to accept jesus gift of salvation and try your best to live your life after his model. Yes you will fail because you are human but you are supposed to give your best.

>>737778421
idk why you're so upset.

or is being "triggered" the newfag way of saying you can't explain your ridiculous and stupid beliefs?

reee all you like faggot.

>>737778691
>It's either you or someone in your stead who is willing to do it for you.
That's just it, it has to be you. No one else can take your punishment for you, and the idea that someone can is obscene. You cannot go to prison in place of a convicted felon.
>You need to use your God given brain and think.
I see no reason to believe that my brain came from a god.

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>>737778693
No. No. No.
Quoting James 2 out of context and all the other verses you works salvationist use to deny the free gift of Jesus Christ is pathetic. Grow up and get saved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmjJ-8beg1c&index=7&list=PLpJlHeSCXalhRUM2yWpxVilCOwf0ZIM8k

>>737778842
Nigga its in plain text and your obviously a troll. You cant say i love god then just go and rape and murder.

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>>737778835
"No one else can take your punishment for you"

Then when you stand before God, you can say that and we'll see what happens. Idiot denies the word of God for his own retardation. Good job man. You'll burn in hell because you can't think logically. Lol.

"I see no reason to believe that my brain came from a god."

That's because you don't know anything.

A Creator God is a logical necessity based on the contingent nature of the physical universe.

Because the physical universe is contingent, it is not eternal. (Eternity means stability and immutability of essence, the impossibility of origin, cessation, or change, but matter/energy is in its essence a compendium of forces and potentialities; it is relativity itself, totally caught up in living, changing, and dying, ergo matter and energy are not eternal) Every physical (natural) entity is contingent and therefore has a cause, and because causal chains cannot be of infinite length, because that would be an effect without a cause, if you were able to follow the causal chain back to the very beginning where the very first physical entity was effected into being, it's cause HAD to be supernatural, since the “natural” was not yet in existence, something cannot come from nothing, something cannot “be” before it “is,” and nothing can create itself (not even God).

>>737778817
im not the same anon youre replying to, dumbass.
>REEEEEEEE
thats how you sound

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>>737778983
So Jesus didn't pay for the sins of rape and murder?

Idiot.

>>737774535
>Nah man, Hell exists to scare people into placing their cash in the collection plate each Sunday.

FTFY

>>737778592
>I have never said "If you ask for forgiveness God may or may not forgive you"

>>737775971
>1. Either God forgives ALL sin or no sin.

Thats literally what you said.

>I just started posted on here. This is my first post:
Nice try, but youre not fooling anyone. Next time at least try to make your posts look different from one another.

>If you believe the gospel, you're saved. There is no maybe or might. It's 100% certainty.
But
>1. Either God forgives ALL sin or no sin.

>>737771882
>Book that says hell is a thing also says eating shellfish is a crime, wearing clothing made of 2+ materials, earth is 6,000 years old, etc.
So no. But if you want to believe in it go right ahead

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>>737778835
Cont.

Others have said that we cannot talk about the origins of the universe since time itself did not exist before the universe began to expand at the Big Bang, so we just cannot know. However, since time is viewed as the progression of sequential relationships between two or more contiguous events, if there was indeed a point when there was no such thing as time, but assuming the universe did exist in some previous form, be it as a singularity, a quantum vacuum, or whatever, then because there was no time, then there would be no progression from the universe’s previous condition from “A” where there was no time to, “B” where there is time. Hence, if there was a point when there was no time, then there never would be time unless some supernatural (outside of nature) force created it.

Contingent beings are insufficient to account for the existence of contingent beings in the ultimate sense. If you add up chocolates, you get chocolates after all and not sheep. Therefore if you add up contingent entities, you are still left with contingent entities, and not an eternal one: there must exist a necessary, non-contingent, supernatural being whose non-existence is an impossibility, and from which the existence of all contingent, physical beings are derived (Hebrews 11:3)

>>737779051
He did but to say jesus forgive me for raping and murdering, then continuing to rape and murder to your hearts content doesnt work. You arent actually accepting jesus and rejecting sin.

>>737779051
>"hurr durr I'm just gonna arrange this line of numbers and match them with the corresponding letters so it'll fit my narrative"

Kill yourself.

>>737779132
>1. Either God forgives ALL sin or no sin.

What the fuck does 2. say you idiot? I confirmed God paid for ALL sins, fuck is wrong with you.

>>737779003
>Then when you stand before God, you can say that and we'll see what happens.
If a god exists, it could do whatever it wanted to me, but does might make right?
>A Creator God is a logical necessity based on the contingent nature of the physical universe.
False.
>Because the physical universe is contingent, it is not eternal. (Eternity means stability and immutability of essence, the impossibility of origin, cessation, or change, but matter/energy is in its essence a compendium of forces and potentialities; it is relativity itself, totally caught up in living, changing, and dying, ergo matter and energy are not eternal) Every physical (natural) entity is contingent and therefore has a cause, and because causal chains cannot be of infinite length, because that would be an effect without a cause, if you were able to follow the causal chain back to the very beginning where the very first physical entity was effected into being, it's cause HAD to be supernatural, since the “natural” was not yet in existence, something cannot come from nothing, something cannot “be” before it “is,” and nothing can create itself (not even God).
tl;dr This is the cosmological argument, which has been shown to be unsound numerous times. You assume that the beginning of the cosmos is an effect without justification.

>>737779219
"Positive or negative integer" look it up you fucking idiot.

>>737771882
existence is hell

>>737779180
So David who got another man's woman pregnant and then murdered the man to cover the pregnancy up is now burning in hell? You're an idiot.

>>737771882

If you don't think hell exists you weren't paying attention during the first half of the 20th century.

Hell is a possibility.

>>737779040
so you just decided to jump in and let the world know about your autism?
bcos you're about as effective at insulting someone as any other 12 year old shitbird who parrots whatever insult of the month that gets spammed around the internet..

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>>737779269
You're too stupid to argue with. That's honestly the truth, you don't know enough science or philosophy to continue this "debate" with.

>You assume that the beginning of the cosmos is an effect without justification.

lulz.

>>737779234
AGAIN...

>God will either forgive you, or not forgive you if you ask for forgiveness
>God will forgive you if you ask for forgiveness

What's wrong with you?

>>737779280
>"Now I'm just gonna make up phrases cuz muh bullshit has been exposed"

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>>737779504
I hope God has mercy on your stupidity.

1. Either God forgives ALL sin or no sin.
2. God decided to forgive all sin.
3. You simply need to trust the gospel.
4. The gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of God in the flesh (Jesus Christ)
5. If you simply believe it (trust it) you're now saved.

That's a nice fat copy and paste I just did, what the fuck does n2 say?

Reading comprehension level: Tarded.

>>737779358
David was born before jesus, idiot rules were different

>>737779454
>You're too stupid to argue with. That's honestly the truth, you don't know enough science or philosophy to continue this "debate" with.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
>lulz.
Yep.

So many edgy kids going to hell for muh science It's sad really. I learned my lesson, it's nothing to fuck with

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>>737779637
LOL, God does not change you idiot. Whatever, be a lost fucking goat for all I care. You got the truth. You cannot work your way into heaven. Jesus paid for all sins.

>>737779669
I'm being serious, educate yourself in these matters. To say what you said is nice and fine on the internet level, but on a scholarly level you're the odd man out.

>>737779636
>I hope God has mercy on your stupidity.
Same, because its blatantly obvious that you don't know the difference between UNCERTAINTY and CERTAINTY

>1. Either God forgives ALL sin or no sin.
UNCERTAINTY

>5. If you simply believe it (trust it) you're now saved.
CERTAINTY

WHICH IS IT?

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I went to Hades, God took me there when I was 10. At the place in Hades where I was there was a bright red cavern that we could adventure about in. God fought a dragon for hours until he had destroyed it. I remember its red glowing eyes of magic and Satanic possession. I would go back there if there was a reason for me to go again. Its absolutely beautiful like the rest of creation.

>>737779795
>I'm being serious, educate yourself in these matters.
I have.
> To say what you said is nice and fine on the internet level, but on a scholarly level you're the odd man out.
Nope. You will not find your claim to be anywhere near a universal consensus in either the scientific or philosophical fields. You betray your own ignorance if you believe otherwise.

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>>737779795
HURR DURR THE WORD DICK IN HEBREW MEANS GOD IS A SHIT EATING CUNT HURR HURR HURR LOOK:

D - GOD EATS SHIT
I -
C -
K -

HAHAHAHAHAHAH I'M RIGHT BECAUSE I FOUND TWO WORDS FROM TWO DIFFERENT LANGUAGES, BUT THE OLDER WORD MEANS SOMETHING BAD SO THE NEW ONE MEANS SOMETHING BAD TOO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa

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>>737779921
I was making a point about God's nature.
The original shit comment I responded to said:

>christians say that if you break the 10 commandments, you go straight to hell
>christans say that no matter how many of the commandments youve broken, if you ask god for forgiveness then you go to heaven
If all you gotta go is ask forgiveness, then why the fuck are people sent to hell?

>murder 1000 infants
>sorry god
>free pass into eternal paradise no harm no foul

I wrote 1. to establish that there are no half-measures with God. It's all or nothing.

Wtf is so hard to understand, lmao...

>>737779795
Your half truths are cancerous and there is a special cirlcle of hell for people like you

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>>737780068
I've been sharing proof, pictures, for almost every single comment on here. Wtf do you have? You want to deny all that proof? Do it. It's not me that's going to burn forever, it's you. My job is to warn your dumb ass.

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>>737780198
Everything I've posted I have been truthful about.

>>737780222
Ur a real hero pal

>>737780072
You cant even explain your religion. You don't even know how it works.

>there are no half-measures with God. It's all or nothing.
>no half-measures
>It's all or nothing.

>1. Either God forgives ALL sin or no sin

WHICH IS IT?

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>>737780366
I am nobody, I'm a filthy, disgusting sinner, but I am saved.

Jesus is the only one.

(yes I know you were sarcastic but don't for a second think I think highly of myself. You don't go to God and think you're some amazing human being, you go because you know you're nothing but filth and deserve hell.)

>>737780471
Not him but if anyone wants a legit explaination of christianity to the fullest i am willing to give.

>>737780222
>Wasted trips
>Wasted oxygen
>Wasted life

Blow your brains out. Your religion means nothing.

>>737780471
>1. Either God forgives ALL sin or no sin

WHICH IS IT?

I have to first say, that you're one of the dumbest people I have ever encountered, either online or offline or you're the best of trolls.

Last time I answer because fuck you.

1. Either God forgives ALL sin or no sin

2. God decided to forgive all sin.

>2. God decided to forgive all sin.
>2. God decided to forgive all sin.
>2. God decided to forgive all sin.

2 answers 1. and makes it a certainty. You dumb fuck.

>>737780222
>proof
The sad thing is that some people actually do believe that numerology, Bible codes, etc. constitutes proof.

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>>737771882
So many holy and unholy fags.
>Dint know I was on reddit?

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>>737771882

>>737780684
Haha, by themselves they are nothing. Spend a couple years doing research like I've been doing.

Look at all the images I posted and tell me what you said. And if you do, no skin off my back. I'm not selling you shit. I'm telling you the truth, nobody pays me to be here.

>>737780684
You're right, they don't. Although if you go searching for the devil and find him, would you believe in God then?

>>737780854
Thanks for sharing

>>737780854
i like this

>>737780543
Then slit your throat and be with your God.

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>>737771882
I believe it exists. I aint afraid of it tho because im headed to heaven.

>>737780677
>you're one of the dumbest people I have ever encountered
Says the guy who cant even give a straight answer

>there are no half-measures with God. It's all or nothing.
>no half-measures
>It's all or nothing.

>1. Either God forgives ALL sin or no sin
>5. If you simply believe it (trust it) you're now saved.

>he may, or may not save you. its a toss up
>its certain he will save you

WHICH IS IT?

>Last time I answer because fuck you.
Last time because you make zero sense about the horseshit you believe in because the whole thing is bullshit.

>1. Either God forgives ALL sin or no sin

>2. God decided to forgive all sin.

WHICH IS IT?

>there are no half-measures with God. It's all or nothing.
>no half-measures
>It's all or nothing.

>>737780883
>Haha, by themselves they are nothing.
A lot of nothing adds up to still be nothing.
>Look at all the images I posted and tell me what you said
Okay: "The sad thing is that some people actually do believe that numerology, Bible codes, etc. constitutes proof."
>And if you do, no skin off my back.
I'm not convinced of that. Religious people and conspiracy theorists alike crave validation.
>>737780892
>Although if you go searching for the devil and find him, would you believe in God then?
Since a "devil" could exist without a god, no. That said, I've never encountered devils either.

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>>737771882
i but they have tacos there

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>>737781268
When you stand before God on the day of judgement, we'll see how this conversation goes. I'll be there for sure.

You people got enough info, so many goats on /b/. More than usual.

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>>737781295
“Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. - Matt 25:41

lucifer will be the biggest victim of hell lol

No, it is illogical to be punished for eternity because you were a bad person for a minute fraction of your consciousness.

>>737781394
>When you stand before God on the day of judgement, we'll see how this conversation goes.
Okay.

If that's meant to frighten me, it doesn't. You might as well tell me I better be nice or Santa won't give me presents this year.

>>737781559
/thread

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>>737781559
No it's not.
God is infinite, so are all His attributes. His sense of justice, His love, etc.

So if you sin, you're breaking an eternal law, and you now must appease an eternal lawgiver.
You can't.
So Jesus Christ died for all your sins on the cross, was buried and rose the third day. Having paid your eternal debt. Jesus is God, so God accepted His own eternal payment.

>>737781559
>he thinks bad souls will ever change
what you think this is a motherfucking game?

>>737781645
Kek.
>>737781714
/thread

>>737781714
>claiming to know anything about god
fuckoff heathen.

>>737781645
>implying you can't beg for forgiveness

>>737781559
Umm i could bet there are some animals in jail that have been evil for most of their life

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>>737781714
>So if you sin, you're breaking an eternal law, and you now must appease an eternal lawgiver.
>You can't.
So God set up an impossible system. He made humans such that they would inevitably be punished for all eternity, thus making him maliciously evil.
>So Jesus Christ died for all your sins on the cross, was buried and rose the third day. Having paid your eternal debt. Jesus is God, so God accepted His own eternal payment.
Nonsensical and abhorrent.

>>737775449
It's not enough to ask for forgiveness, you have to actively atone for your sins. If you killed 100 infants, then your only way to be forgiven would be to turn yourself in and be judged under the law.

>>737781973
>Be Adam and Eve.
>Have free will, just like lucifer and all the other angels.
>God creates them perfect.
>They are happy, have no sin oh and they inherited literally the entire earth.
>Lucifer uses his free will to disobey God because he does not want to serve humans.
>Tricks Eve into sinning.

Couple thousand years later on 4chan:
God is ervil! he dun lauv me!!!! he cruel!!

The fucking idiots of 2017. It's like each year I come on here you get dumber and dumber.

>>737771882
It most likely doesn't. Think about it for a sec. 14 billion years of evolution. All known creatures reside on Earth. Earth has been around for 4.3 billion years. 200,000 of those years have been the evolution of modern day humans. Throughout this short time period, the last 6000 or so of these years have contains humans trying to understand religion. Why would religion be so prominent now?

Is there really a God? Why didn't God make himself prominent to other creatures on Earth? What makes humans so special? We all came from the same source, so why would we be entitled to have our own God and morale and what not? Why would it take so long for us to know about a God?

I couldn't articulate my point well, but hopefully you understand what I'm getting at.

>>737782081
fuck off catholic.

>>737781714
>God is infinite, so are all His attributes. His sense of justice, His love, etc.
If thats the case, then how come he allows a serial killer to kidnap, rape, then disembowel children? All the evil in the world is the work of Satan, remember? If God is all powerful and all loving, why does he let it happen? Is Satan more powerful than God? Evidently he is because God doesnt stop it. And dont come with that "free will/works in mysterious ways" crap because thats a cop-out.

the real question is, why is god killing african children at shockingly high rates.

>tfw he's some sort of racist pedophile with jungle fever

>>737771927
Careful with that fidget spinner :^)

>>737782217
Free will.

>And dont come with that "free will/works in mysterious ways" crap because thats a cop-out.

It's not a cop-out, it's the actual answer, you fucking imbecile.

>>737782248
i mean
why the fuck else does he have so many children up there with him

meanwhile anyone who's on this gay earth for more than a decade instantly goes to hell simply because of how fucked this life is

>>737781760
Bad souls had to have changed to become bad or do you think some people are born inherently evil.

>>737781714
If Jesus died for our sins then he needs to keep being sacrificed because we sure as hell keep sinning.

>>737782177
>God creates them perfect.
Evidently not.
>Tricks Eve into sinning.
Did God not know what would happen?
>God is ervil! he dun lauv me!!!! he cruel!!
There's plenty of evidence in the Bible for said god to be evil and cruel, yes. Murder, genocide, etc.

Always hilarious that the religiotards in these threads only ever contemplate one god. They cannot wrap their little minds around the fact that thousands of gods have been created, all of which come with the same evidence as their favourite god: z-e-r-o.

>>737782208
Fuck off protestant

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>>737782371
Let me describe you.

You:

>Does not believe in God.
>Claims God has done evil things.
>Supposes objective morality.
>You need God for objective morality.
>If you reject objective morality.
>You can't say God is evil.

Kek, fucking idiots on here. Whoa.

>>737782194
He concentrated on us because it was part of his plan. Maybe the real truth about god is too complicated for us to understand.

>>737782370
it literally says so a thousand times in countless versions of bibles from different regions around the world.

also it's pretty fucking obvious people have to learn to be decent.

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>>737782485
Look at all my posts exposing the catholic whore.

>>737782294
>god doesnt help an innocent, pure child from being raped and mutilated
>but he did help me find my car keys

Free will is a cop-out, works in mysterious ways is a cop out.

>God is more powerful than Satan
>Satan has free reign on earth, does what he pleases, God can't stop, won't stop him

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>>737774612

whatever kike

>>737771882
this is hell

>>737782370
No. Because Jesus is God. God is infinite, so Jesus paid for all sins for eternity. All sins are paid for. If you sacrifice an eternal being, it's gonna cover mankinds finite sins. No matter how many. Use your brain.

>>737782689
so... praise satan?

>>737782217
Yeah people are suffering and terrible things happen but your precious little ass is doing safe and well isnt it?
Be grateful

>>737782597
>Maybe the real truth about god is too complicated for us to understand

> the real truth

That it does not exist? That's not hard to understand at all.

>>737782512
>Does not believe in God.
>Claims God has done evil things.
Correct.
>Supposes objective morality.
Incorrect.
>You need God for objective morality.
You wouldn't have objective morality even with a god.
>If you reject objective morality.
>You can't say God is evil.
Incorrect. I can say God is evil by my subjective morality, and anyone who agrees with my basis will be forced to agree with me.

Got anything new or are you just going to cycle through all the dead old talking points?

>>737775197
ill see u there nigga

>>737782855
Lol. The internet genius at work. "Correct. "Incorrect" to some fucktard you actually might sound legit. Get on the scholarly level and you'll get laughed at for what you said.

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>>737782800
Why are people being punished for sinning if Jesus died for our sins?

>Use your brain

Ironic tbh lad

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Here's an idea.

Don't be a dick to other people.

Great way to stay out of hell.

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>>737782855
>Supposes objective morality.
Incorrect.

So morality is subjective?

Are you retarded? By saying morality is not objective you have no measuring stick to say God has done evil. Lmao.

>>737771927

This. Humanity's suffering will end when the world is destroyed and the farce called humanity ceases to exist. Then we'll return to our Maker.

>>737783064
You're not punished in this life. You have not been punished for your sins. But if you deny God's payment on your behalf, you will have to pay the bill yourself.

This shit isn't hard, use your brain.

>>737783153

Or not. Didn't get dubs of truth. Life is beautiful. Let's just treat each other better.

>>737782978
>Get on the scholarly level and you'll get laughed at for what you said.
Nope.
>>737783105
>So morality is subjective?
Yep.
>Are you retarded?
Nope.
>By saying morality is not objective you have no measuring stick to say God has done evil
I have my measuring stick.

Basing your morality on a god is no less subjective than basing it on something else.

>>737771882
Nope. I deserve whatever's coming to me in the afterlife/rebirth if there is anything.

I'll share my autism/tinfoil with you fags
>bored at work, pulling a third shift, shitposting as usual
>want to hear a Prince song
>youtube jews blocked ALL of them on copyright grounds
>some guy posts the video in reverse out of protest
>watch it because why not
>wtf, hear and see things, realize its telling a story too - but backwards
>watch another Prince video in reverse, mind blown
>watch yet another, mind blown again
>all videos are complete, in the sense that both reverse and normal play tell an entire story, both relating to one another
>start to wonder how its even possible for a man to write something so complex, beautiful in an evil sort of way yet completely unnoticed by most people
>start to think Prince legit sold his soul
>curious how one sells their soul, what is the bargain, why is everything backwards etc (yes, i know im retarded)
>start researching alister crowley, satanic bible
>it says everything should be written both backwards and forwards, being appreciated as a complete piece of art
>from that to reverse speech
>weird feeling comes over the house
>feelings of being watched
>start hearing shit in different rooms, voices, whistling
>still researching, still genuinely curious what selling your soul entails, what you have to do etc
This took place over about a week. I got freaked out and stopped looking into it. Three days later I got a letter from some obscure church I've never heard of, filled with stories of people being enormously wealthy after following what they letter asked. Included was a a 'prayer mat'. It wanted me to kneel on it alone and ask for whatever I wanted. It insisted I mail it back. Odd thing about the letter is it didn't ask for a donation anywhere. I tossed it out, never brought it in my house. Now I can spot in all over the place in media. It's 10000% real and in your face, you just can't see it

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>>737783326
Are you the same guy I said was too stupid to "debate" because if you're not, you're now also in that category. Read a book? It's so difficult to be educated beyond that of you average internet atheist, you cannot talk to them. Impossible, like right now. I'd have to become your professor for a good 5 weeks before we could ever entertain any sort of debate.

>>737782831
What would we do if there was proof of god and we did understand huh?
And what if he still didnt communicate with us? What would we do with ourselves? We wouldnt be sinning thats for sure. Lifes a test. Tod flanders could tell u that

>>737771882
I have died and come back from death.

There is no heaven, there is no hell.

Only a timeless void of blackness, the same place you came from before birth.

ask for a story, i will tell you one.

>>737779003
so this is why roman reigns wont hold the title any more

>>737775303


It is called the "Law of Thermodynamics" and states that energy can not be created or destroyed. All forms of energy are transferred. Your consciousness/memories/thinking are all a form of energy. Are you 12 years old? If so you should be learning about some of this stuff within the next 8-12 years or so.

>>737783537
>Are you the same guy I said was too stupid to "debate"
Yep.
>Read a book?
I've read many, as well as listened to talks and debates.
>I'd have to become your professor for a good 5 weeks before we could ever entertain any sort of debate.
The reverse is closer to the truth. Your arguments are old, stale, and were torn apart long before either of us were born.

>>737783725
are you really this fucking retarded?

>>737775303
>what energy exactly is it being converted into?
notice the word
>CONVERTED
you stupid cock mongerer.

>>737783745
>Are you the same guy I said was too stupid to "debate"
Yep.

Well that explains it. Your stupidity infected a completely different topic all together. If i were you I would actually start thinking wtf I'm doing wrong if I can identify you simply from your ignorance.

>>737783153
Yes. Some good charachters on this thread

>>737783725
>Your consciousness/memories/thinking are all a form of energy.
Chemical and electrical, which get recycled into the environment along with the rest of you.

Honestly I'd just wish everyone died at once including myself.

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>>737783725
>quote second law of thermodynamics like you know what you're talking about
>consciousness memories and thinking are all forms of energy

you're going to try to use physics to prove this shit and then demonstrate that you don't even know what energy is?

ffs im *trying* to be a christian and aint read the bible in years;

but none of you so-called christians gave anything of your own knowledge.

>>i dont remember where but somewhere it says or implies
"fear him who can destroy both body and mind"
>>something like that
im not saying he's evil. nor am i saying he's 'good'
he's holy and you know, someone Perfect can do whatever he wants.
with this being said, he chooses to let murder rape and genocide happen because he can.

about going to hell:
there are 3 versions i have proposed:
one: eternal torment that shall never cease
two: temporary; as you can learn to part from opposing and eventually go to heaven
three: utter destruction of your existence


this creates a lack of understanding;
God created satan and everything we humans understand. IF this is so; how long.....have God waited to create humans if he knew this would happen?

also other 'christians' we're all FUCKED. including me. this religion CANNOT be done through a computer, we actively cannot just 'go to heaven'; it goes through this scenario too, the bible.

>>737783871
>If i were you
Fortunately for me, you are not.
>I can identify you simply from your ignorance.
It isn't ignorance that gives me away.

>>737783968
>he thought he was some sort of smart ass because he re iterated what the person he was replying to had said
what's with all the retards trying to save face on an anonymouse image board this summer?

>>737783609
Ok how long were u dead for?

>>737783606
>What would we do if there was proof of god

Which god?

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>>737784106
My thought process:

"This fucking guy is so ignorant of the shit I'm talking about, he reminds me of the other guy that didn't get a simple fucking statement."

Asked if you were the same guy.

"Yep." - You.

But sure. It's not your ignorance and stupidity. It must have been something else.

You got the truth, do what you want with it. You have no excuse before God. I don't need to convince you of how fucking wrong you are. It's your job to study and learn wtf life is about.

>>737784445
>But sure. It's not your ignorance and stupidity. It must have been something else.
Correct, it's my writing style and ability to very easily counter your trivial challenges.
>You got the truth
I did indeed. The truth is that there is no good reason to believe that a god exists.
>It's your job to study and learn wtf life is about.
That's a study that never ends, but I've done quite a bit more studying than you it seems.

>>737784718
Correct, it's my writing style and ability to very easily counter your trivial challenges.

kek. I explain why. He claims something else. Truth hurts buddy. I promise you, it's literally just your stupidity. I didn't analyze how you write and that other statement is too cringe to even type out.

When you're burning in hell, don't say I didn't warn you. Right now, I am your best fucking friend and you're literally too stupid to even care.

>>737783534
And in case you think I'm legit crazy or making it up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn4SunKSi00

Raspberry Beret is a memorial to price.

It starts out with a picture, him, his band etc much like you'd see at a living wake. Tells his story, happy, riding with his woman - on a cloud, literally. Drum beat towards the end, he's been 'called'. Girl looks at him longingly, almost sad. She knows where he's going. Camera pans to the floor (where he went). The book closes as the vortex sucks him down and the screen begins to spin. You can hear he plainly saying 'Help me, please, help'.

>>737784898
>I promise you, it's literally just your stupidity.
Unfortunately, your promises mean nothing to me.
>When you're burning in hell, don't say I didn't warn you
Okay, but I will say that you didn't give any good reason to believe that a god exists.
>Right now, I am your best fucking friend and you're literally too stupid to even care.
The way our conversation has been going suggests otherwise.

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>>737785202
>Unfortunately, your promises mean nothing to me.
Truth is exclusive. I didn't think my promise meant much to you, it's just a saying kiddo. I know what I thought and it wasn't what you said, it was what I said.

>The way our conversation has been going suggests otherwise.
Your best friend, if you've ever had one, slaps your face when you're being a fucking retard. It's funny because I am angry at you people, not because I dislike you, quite the opposite. I care a lot for you and I don't even know your fucking name. So this is the frustration.

You probably will go with the "You're frustrated because my answers are shutting you down Christian boy" or something funny like that. And that would frustrate me, not because you're right, but because you're wrong and you do not see what I see.

I shall take my leave now, you can do what you want with the information given to you. And yes you've been given plenty of information, more than you need to know there's a God. Your ability to use logic alone is proof of God. The fact that you exist, a personal being, is proof of God.

>>737785122
Look at all my posts and you'll find what you seek after. Start with:

>>737775588

>>737772643
lmao 11/10 you sound so cringe

>>737785698
> I know what I thought
Sure.
>it wasn't what you said, it was what I said.
If that's is indeed the case, then you are deluded.
>Your best friend, if you've ever had one, slaps your face when you're being a fucking retard.
He then goes on to actually demonstrate how you are being retarded, which you have failed to do. All you've done is brought out moldy old arguments and then declared me ignorant when I point out they are flawed.
>You're frustrated because my answers are shutting you down Christian boy
Which is true.
>because you're wrong and you do not see what I see.
Then show me.
>I shall take my leave now
You are of course free to leave at any time. It only tells me that my assessment is likely correct.
>And yes you've been given plenty of information
Not really.
>more than you need to know there's a God
Definitely not.
>Your ability to use logic alone is proof of God
Prove it.
>The fact that you exist, a personal being, is proof of God.
Prove it.

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>>737786114
Just for you. Not to prove I am right, but because I care. But this is it and I am off for today.

1. God has revealed Himself as being in supramundane universal control, and as an immaterial, unchanging, and thinking being.
2. The laws of logic (including the law of noncontradiction) are universally established, immaterial, unchanging and necessarily thought-related.
3. In order to establish laws with the properties in #2 the properties in #1 are required.
4. In it's entirety, our mundane universe is controlled by universally established laws, exclusively material, constantly changing and unthinking, all properties that directly violate the requirements of #3.
5. Therefore, in order to establish the laws of logic, something supramundane is required.
6. Other than God, there is nothing with the properties in #1.
7. Therefore, the laws of logic could not possibly be established without God and yet they are universally established.
8. God exists.

Undeniable fact, and to suggest logic is just a human convention on the atheist's part would be to refuse science, logic, reason and mental sanity.
>Even if you do not subscribe to the idea that God did reveal Himself, it does not change a single thing on this list and still holds true.

Study logic. It is absolute proof.

Google string: The Laws of Logic are not Human Conventions - Defense of faith

"Raised catholic", so yeah, all that shit. 38. I occasionally think of heaven/hell, all that. Then the hard reality of life kicks my ass out of that delusional thinking. This is it folks.

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>>737786402
This is what the catholic church is.

>>737780072
is that supposed to be adimiral akhbar? cuz it looks like an upside down starbucks bitch to me

>>737786355
Premise #3 is not justified. Indeed, Premise #2 has issues as well.
>Undeniable fact
It is actually very deniable, and has been rationally denied.
>Study logic. It is absolute proof.
I have, and it is not.
>Google string
Try googling "counter-apologetics" sometime. All of these things have responses.

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Rahhh
Ruhrah ruhrah

>>737785122
Another:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9c106XPrk

When Doves Cry, the story of how Prince sold his soul. Starts out with him alone, in a bath tub with his guitar. Note the white cloth he's wearing. Now he's dreaming of being in a famous band, having amazing keyboard skills (it was the 80's afterall). 2:57 he decides to do whatever it takes for this to happen (sell his soul). The dove symbolizes God, leaving. 3:03, eyes without a face, the devil. The dove rives in what looks like pain as it flips between good and evil. He's decided to make the deal. 3:13-3:16, play it over and over, listen very closely to what he says. Now read what's written on the left and right of the pillars, as in what he's leaving. Drives to the lake, mourning the loss of his girl, he's going to have to leave her for this life he's chosen. 4:20 - his family disowns him and kicks him out when he tells them. 4:28 he's mourning the loss of his family for what he's done. 4:43 he sells his soul and seals the deal. 4:52 - a wish he made comes true (remember, this is reverse and has to be seen that way, as if forward). 4:59-5:05 - God leaves his life as he let's Satan take over. God being the dove flying away, Satan being the face in the upper right in the fog, speaking to him. 5:10, he's accepting Satan, presumably being told how to write songs or outright given the lyrics, melodies. Programmed to receive as it were, Hotel California by The Eagles speaks of this if you're interested in listening to it with a different perspective as to what he's talking about. 5:24, he's back where he started, having sold his soul. Notice, no more white cloth since he's no longer 'of the cloth'. Ending with doves fluttering away from him as the doors close on his damned soul.

>>737785992
I found what I was seeking. Just sharing my story.

>>737771882
I'm not afraid that hell exists. I'm afraid that hell doesn't exist. If it didn't, then there would be no punishment for people like me - or people worse than me. There would be no final justice waiting to punish evil. And hell may not exist, but evil does.

Imagine that - that you can lie, cheat, steal, spite and rape your way through your entire life, die a happy man, and suffer no consequences.

That's worse than Hell.

>>737771882
No, I'm a good boy.

>>737771882
Hell is a state of mind and that's all

>>737771882
It doesn't, majority of people that have experienced death that have been brought back to life just say it's nothing.

like a dreamless nap, you have no idea it happening, it's nothing, you and your consciousness do not exist.

>>737788363
Thats not dead. I mean DEAD - not coming back.

>>737771882
Im not afraid cause I know Im not going there. I just worry that I aint the best me I can be, and by the time I go to heaven its gonna show.

>>737771882
Read near death experiences. The bad ones. And they are mind fucking scary

>>737787227
Another:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZxdXOAK_TI

Purple Rain. A ballad to Satan. It's "the devil wore purple". Over and over and over as his fans are put into a trance.

>>737771882
This guy, >>737771927, is right. We're already in the right location. It's just not Hell, yet...

You see, Christians believe that Jesus will return and gather all of his followers, living and dead, and take them to a New Earth. Anyone not willing to go with Jesus will be left behind. There is only ONE soul that is NOT invited, and that is The Adversary. No, he gets put in charge of this earth, and what he's gonna do to the people who passed up the offer he can't get is going to be Hell on Earth.

So for all those people saying "God is unfair to put me in Hell", well you're wrong. God isn't going to put anyone in hell. You dumb motherfuckers are going to choose it, just to spite God.

Good luck with that.

>>737771882
Im so afraid of death that id prefer there would be a hell than non existence. Ik if I were in actual hell i'd change my mind but the thought of nothingness after death freaks me out.

>>737789396
Why would there be nothing after death?

>>737789396

When you sleep and don't dream, does that freak you out?

>>737788655
Remember, effort counts. As long as you tryin', you ain't dyin'

>>737789274

>never asked to be born much less born into sophie's choice

it's god's hell. let him burn in it.

>>737779174
Good stuff

>>737789543
No. I understand that when I die I won't be afraid becausr I am dead. Its an irrational fear i suppose

>>737789527
Who knows what happens after death? Nothing is certain. It could be reincarnation, the afterlife, complete absense of thought/nothingness, or something we can't even comprehend.

>>737790046
Probably wake up from the simulation, maybe in another simulation, and they'll be like congrats your earth life is behind you now, and i am supposed to be surprised

>>737789814
"Its gods hell, Let him burn in it"
Thats a good one. Straight from the mouth of one of gods angry children

>>737789814
It's not gonna be some fire and brimstone cave from a painting, it's gonna be this world, as you know it now, without any goodness, or kindness, or live in it. None.

And all you have to do to escape that fate is ask. But you don't like the person you have to ask, so you'll stay right where you are, on the sinking ship, rather than ask for escape.

It's your choice. If you choose not to make it, you've still made a choice.

>I didn't choose to be born
No, but you chose to keep living with every breath, every meal, and every time you looked both ways crossing the street.

Literally every one of these suggestions are true because of the infinite amount of dimensions. Haha my brain hurts.

My very fist memory I can recall is me waking up in my room (I was 1 or 2 because my father was alive and I could walk) and thinking the exact words " where am I?"

>>737772643
yes because humans can adopt to all levels of physical or mental torture..we all have limits and these limits only lower when the two are combined

How loud can you think?

>>737783153
Dunno about you mate, but me mum made me, and i say ello to the wingy old cunt every month.

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>>737771882
I'm pretty sure that Christians don't, given all the lying, cheating, swindling and murder those motherfuckers do. Even their preachers are as crooked as a dog's hind leg.

Pic related: Lying Christian cunt, daughter of lying crooked Christian preacher. Neither afraid of hell.

>>737792014
You angry atheists are pathetic

>>737771882
I'm disappointed hell doesn't exist. There are people in this world than deserve far worse than we can do to them.

>>737790187

Take another drag, and stare at that matrix poster.

>>737792286
Or its some comfort for truly righteous people who never got any justice in this life

>>737772643
It's not being "blue pilled" in Heaven. It's moreso that you won't feel all the emotions up there like anger and lust and shit. It's like if you're a smoker on Earth, you won't be in Heaven because you just won't have the urge to smoke, it won't appeal to you. It's not like you will forget that cigarettes ever existed, you just won't care.

>>737771882
Why be afraid of Hell if you know you're going to Heaven? Praying for everyone in this thread and exiting before I have to see any negative comments.

>>737771882
I used to be, but then I noticed how the concept of hell was just a way to artificially manipulate human perception of risk, thus swaying your beliefs.
Also, I figure I'm rolling the dice anyway, what with all the other possible afterlives out there.
Come to think of it, there could be other much worse versions of Hell that actually do exist, but the religion that tells you about it hasn't been revealed/invented yet.

>>737775219
>Provoque
"Provoke".
I like how you didn't know how to spell it, so you just decided to spell it as fancy as possible.

>>737793235
What type of hell could possibly be worse?

>>737771882
I used to be.
Then I started thinking that if Christianity was real, then the God is a manipulative control freak at best, and a sadistic asshole at worst. And there's no proof (regardless of religion) that the creator isn't such a being. So frankly, we end up wherever we end up.
As far as my own belief preference, I simply worship nothing, and I liken religion unto my own criticism of the "schrodinger's cat" paradox, which is to say, our cognition might be "our world", but we all live in "the world", and nothing we choose to believe changes how things really are. Aerodynamics didn't pop into existence because airplanes were invented, and god didn't pop into existence because he was invented. Unlike aerodynamics, though, there's no evidence for a deus omnipotens.

>>737793514
Well, in the bible, it's described as a literal lake of fire where you simply burn forever, but that seems too one-size-fits-all for any truly horrific torment.
Think of a personalized Hell, one where each new sensation is literally the worst agony, both mental, physical, psychological, and spiritual, ever. And each new sensation always tops the next.
Compared to that, burning doesn't seem all that bad.

>>737793891
>next
*last

>>737771882
Hell is a state of mind.

An eternity doing anything is hell, so if heaven exists it's no better than downstairs, at least you're not spending eternity with all the faggots from church

>>737775197
see you soon, anon :-)

>>737775555
Holy Checked.

>>737795351
Ur pretty narrow minded

Hell is a human creation just like heaven and so is God, Santa, and the Easter bunny. Nothing against religious folks but to believe in God, especially the Christian God, it means that you're making humanity the pinnacle point of the universe...which is a narcissistic way of thinking. And many people put them selves on pedestals when they suggest others will not go to heaven based on what they believe. Pluss heaven and hell idea in not that creative. Heaven is too perfect and timeless. So hell is darkness and pain. Purgatory makes the most sense but still impractical. There is no heaven or hell so don't worry. There is no eternal suffering after death but only eternal nothingness. It will be like before you born, before sperm and egg. The whole objective in life is the choice to procreate and then die well. No point in life to worry about hell or heaven. Worry about living and self awareness. So no I'm not scared of hell. I'm just scared of a hell like state of mind when I die.

Not really, I mean sure some form of punishment if we're truly been cunts in our lives but the idea of eternal torture because I didn't believe in the right thing and jerked off and fucked before I was married? Yeah no.

>>737796554
Hey for all we know humanity is the pinnacle point of the universe

>>737796241
But am I wrong, ps what the fuck happened to all the other boats during the flood?

Cannot wait to find more life out in the universe.
Hopefully there is Microbial life in the waters of Jupiter's Moons.
Possibly even some in the ice on Mars.
We're finally stepping into the universe and shedding our Ignorance and Belief of any 'deity's'
I grew out of my imaginary friend when i was a child, it still confuses me to this day why people still hold onto theirs, but that's just how they were raised and indoctrinated into the slavery that is Religion.
in a few million years when the Sun Expands and scorches the Earth, hopefully we've escaped our dependence on our own planet by then, so we can watch it. It'll be so beautiful.

Our Universe is expanding, Constantly with the energy of the big bang, getting larger like a bubble still being blown.
Eventually it'll reach a critical stage where it'll have probably 2 options. Pop. or Collapse.

I like to think, that the "big bang" was simply the collapse of the last iteration of the Universe. It got too big, collapsed into a tiny spec, then expanded again in a "Big Bang"

THAT is how i rationalize the big bang until we discover more about it.
That's the brilliance of science, WE DON'T KNOW YET.
We don't limit ourselves by solving unknowns with "god did it"
IF the answer to any question is 'god' then that just means you don't know.
It's embarrassing when people claim god did anything, it's just advertising your own lack of knowledge.
If you don't know something. FIND OUT. LEARN. The Truth will set you free.
Never stop at 'god'

There has never been a Miracle. Proven.
There has never been an 'Act of God'. Proven.
There has never been evidence of the 'Supernatural' (despite how much i WANT it to be true) love that show......

I'm not Religious as you all can probably tell.
These are my opinions.
I've never raped or killed.
I've stolen minor things, like a few $ off my parents desk or whatever when i was kid for lollies at the shop, i was such a little asshole :P

Yes, anon. Because I don't want to be stuck with faggots like you for eternity.

>>737785698
>kiddo

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>>737771927
The world is what you make it dude. If you convince yourself the world is hellish, then you have just made your reality a hell. I, for one, have seen spectacular beauty on this planet. As well as a few horrors and some ugliness, but beauty would be nothing without it. It helps us distinguish what is truly beautiful and deserving of admiration. I'm not gay, or high, but if you truly believe the world is hell, then you're only deluding yourself with hate. And before you say I'm deluding myself with a dream world, consider the possibility that everyone could think that way. And if everyone did, the world would truly be harmonious.

But if everyone is to believe the world is hell. Then the world will become hell. The question is which one you would prefer.

>>737774612
My almonds are not activated enough for this.

If the devil is evil, and you are evil... then you and the devil will get along.
If hell is where all evil resides, hell Is where all the dead hookers and drugs are at.
Hell > heaven

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>>737771882
No one asked to be brought into existence. If we were born into the cosmos to experience eternal suffering, which I see no reason to believe there is, then that's pretty shitty. But beyond religion and personal beliefs, all we know is that we are going to live and die. And if we are damned to heaven or hell, it would be wise to control the way we live now, so that we can at least get a glimpse of goodness before we get sent to hell.

Still.

Very skeptical of there being a hell.