Everybody hates Trump.

I love trump now more than ever. I love to hear the press cry. Those pussies can dish it out but they can't take it, poor babies.

>>737478264

agrees. he's disgusting. but even more disgusting are trumpkins and drumpfies.

>>737478398
you're kidding right? It's trump that can't stop whining and being butthurt. Honestly, it's fucking pathetic for the president to get into a twitter fight with some talking heads on TV.

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>>737478812
did you defeat Donald Trump yet, son?

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>>737478264
>Everyone with an IQ over 40 and an income under $250,000 hates trump.

fixed

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>>737478398

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>>737479032
lel, no

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>>737478264
Gallup polls say otherwise.

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>>737479032
>IQ over 40
Literally being able to read what you wrote requires that IQ
>Income under 250,000
So rich people can't like other rich and more successful people?
Look, if you try to bait us do a better job tbqh

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>>737479130
>wealthy voters
lel, learn to read

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>>737479365
wasn't baiting. was speaking the truth.

>>737478264
The electoral college seemed to like him :)

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>>737478812
Have you watched cnn or "comedy" central once over the course of the last 6 months?

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King Cuck

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>>737480240
;_;

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>>737480240

How about Faux News, you conservashit?

>>737480572
Yes, they are all fake news.

>>737479365
Rich people can like other rich and more successful people. Trump is almost neither of those two things. He's always been VERY insecure about people finding out about his net worth (one organization that hosted a Q & A with Trump years ago disclosed that Trump only forbade one topic from the conference: any and all questions relating to his actual wealth or gross revenues) and would probably be out on the streets if it weren't for his accountants and lawyers exploiting every bankruptcy loophole in the books. As for his successes, all he has at this point is his brand, and even that hasn't been enough to prevent some catastrophic losses on his investments (Trump University, Trump Steaks, Trump Magazine, Trump wine, Trump casinos).

>>737478264
How do you figure? He won the popular vote by a wide margin.

>>737479994
535 random-ass dudes who more or less vote in line with the states they represent, under a system where conservative states with heavily rural, under-educated populations have a disproportionate amount of voting power relative to the rest of the country.

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>>737479994
the feeling is not mutual

>>737481166

>I mean he would have if the election hadn't been rigged! It just wasn't rigged enough to make him lose!

>>737480769

interesting

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>>737480572
Laughed harder than I should have...

Nah he's cool.

>>737479365

Who is the guy in the MAGA cap and who is the statue supposed to be?

No I don't keep up with this shit, pic is glorious though.

>>737481949
Hillary Clinton also lost the support of 10 Electoral College Voters. More Faithless Delegates than any candidate in the past 100 years.

>>737482297
*he's cuck

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>>737482455
>Hillary Clinton also lost the support of 10 Electoral College Voters.
trump bought them

>>737478398
your country is going down the shitter and the only thing you care about is how the media is crying

americans are fucking pathetic

>>737479698
64% of americans earn more than 50k
the majority of those chose to vote for trump
i'm not sure what you're not understanding

>>737482722

The media isn't crying at all, for the record. They're doing what they do, which is investigating stories and allegations.

The media is just dandy, it's this administration that running for cover.

>>737482390
milo

>>737478264
Eveyone - Im so tired of another corrupt politically correct politician.

Well known business mogul gets elected president.

Everyone - i hate how politically incorrect this non politician is...

By everyone...I mainly refer to the looney left. Retarded...

All I see is a president. The man who holds the most powerful office in our nation, tweeting like mad. The man makes piss poor executive decisions, panders to white middle clsss concervitards, who is disrespected by us allies on a near constant basis. Honestly I'd have Paul Ryan before trump at this point.

>>737483422

Ahhh, had forgotten about that guy, thx anon. Now just the statue left.

>>737483299
>people actually believe this
wow, is ignorance bliss?

>>737483589
sargon?

>>737483299
yeah i know, i didn't want to get into that argument with the retard though

>>737478264
It shoulda been literally any other republican candidate

>>737483895

No, I got that.

>>737480240
Obviously you have

Well, it's a depressing state of affairs. We have a President in hiding. Others would come out and have a burger at McDonald's, press the flesh, take pics with people. Not this one. He's somewhere, tweeting, tweeting, tweeting, Either a bunker under the White House or a golf course. But he doesn't dare face the a) press or the b) public. There's nothing but misery there for him.

It's seriously fucked up and the GOP should be pressuring him to go.

>>737482688
I miss when leftists weren't the conspiratards

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>>737483867

Much obliged anon

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>>737482455
and the DNC stole the votes from Bernie Sanders

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I don't hate him. His stupidity is just too damn entertaining. The liberals are crying every day about him. The conservatives are tripping over themselves from constant damage control. This is why I wanted him to win. It is like it is going to be Christmas for me everyday for the next 4 to 8 years.

>mfw he says something or someone talks about him

>>737483867
most likely: Sargon of Akkad

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Trump is going to butcher Canada and that's a good thing!

DEATH TO CANADA

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>>737484357
I miss when right wingers weren't the retards.
...oh wait that was never

>>737481519
>complete failure
>won

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>>737485240
>won
thanks putin

>>737484904
Boi ur discussion is so high level I am gonna have to say you are certainly without a doubt a nigger

>>737484904
this post is someone's grandmother who wandered onto /b/ from facebook

>>737485316
>he believes this with zero evidence

>>737485316
Putin is quite literally correct.

Look up some political theory fuckhead.

>>737480037
would be more accurate to put the media on here

No. If you're foolish enough to think everyone hates him you need to get out of your echo chamber and meet more people. There are a lot of us cheering him on and hoping he picks a far different path than the US has been on for the last 8 years.

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>>737478264
>>737479032
>>737479789
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>>737485316
haha keep it up comrade, your memes of drumpf's face photoshopped onto silly things will surely defeat our enemies

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>>737485436
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/politics/jeh-johnson-congress-hearing/index.html

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>>737485678
>keep it up comrade

>>737481267
but thats not at all how it works.
sorry that hillary or her voters didn't read the rules before trying win an election

>>737485783
(that is the joke)

>>737481267
So you're mad because it worked as intended?

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>>737485783
>russia narrative
it's like you guys enjoy losing. trust us, theres seven and a half more years to come. you'll get enough

>>737485711
yes, and what is the evidence and what is he being charged with?

>>737482455
And the hilarious part about that was they were trying their hardest to get Trump delegates to defect. The game was always for the Electoral College and everyone who mattered knew that. It's not our fault that all she knows how to do is lose and bitch about it.

>>737485783
russian hacker here. not going to lie, it's fucking hilarious to watch the Trump administration crash and burn. but in all seriousness, we can't let him get his hands on the nuclear codes

I think that if you're white you've got to accept the fact that when you become a minority there is likelyl to be a violent purging attempt made against you. This is already happening in places like South Africa.

And if you're not white, you've got to accept that black and brown people don't always know how to run a decent society. That's why you flee to the white man's countries.

So it's time to accept the fact that it's best for everyone when the white man is in charge. White people, start humping and don't let yourselves become a minority. Non whites, please try to appreciate what you've got. You know it would be a lot worse living exclusively under your own kind.

>>737485436
Okay, I despise Trump and his entire fucking party with a passion and I have some doubts about exactly how extensively Russia's involvement runs in the Trump administration BUT:

1) Literally every week some high-level member of Team Trump gets discovered covering up some shady meeting they had with Russian officials or lets something slip indicating the administration's unusual level of closeness with Moscow.

2) Meddling in other countries' affairs is not a new thing with Russia. Ask literally every European government east of France: the Czech Republic uncovered a massive Russian propaganda/media espionage ring as recently as a few years ago. Putin comes from a faction of Russian politics that still feels a deep sense of humiliation over the crumbling of the Soviet Union and he actively works to re-instate Moscow's sphere of influence in eastern Europe. So it's not like there isn't a precedent for the recent reports of Russian meddling in US affairs.

>>737486438
>we can't let him get his hands on the nuclear codes
you lost the election. that was your chance.

>>737478264
Quality Shitposting.

I hope you post it 10 million more times these next 8 years.

>>737483778

>washpo posting record profits quarter or quarter
>so-called "failing" MSM outlets universally growing
>Rachel Maddow has higher ratings than sean hannity

You backed a losing horse and you're going to have to pay for it i'm afraid. If you had elected a more moderate conservtive this wouldn't have happened. Instead, you elected a conman, and now the jig is up.

>>737483506
Piss poor, yeah...cracking down on illegal immigration, backing out of fiscally devastating global contracts, being tougher on the entry of refugees from nations with no vetting procedures, ending a health care system that doubled insurance premiums for most working Americans.

Youre views are off base brutha...

>>737486506
1) this is not true and the fact you think it is says more about the state of our left wing propaganda outlets and your susceptibility to them that anything else
2) so then how hard did Russia shill for, or against, Obama? Don't know the answer? Probably because the media hasn't been shoving it down your throat. Which just plays back into my first point.

>>737485799
>>737486066

That is literally exactly how it works and why so many people are pissed off. The system isn't even erring on the side of rationality since its failsafes got Bush 2.0 and Trump elected. And yes, the Electoral College system worked "as intended" in the sense that the disproportionate voting power allotted to the aforementioned fuckwad states got Trump elected, but it's okay to be mad at systemic injustices and demand they be corrected, especially since the majority of the country disagrees with the outcome.

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>>737486577
not sure where you came from, but you have to go back

>>737486948
It was intended to give the lower population states a slight edge. It worked. Otherwise you could campaign in a few population centers and never worry about the vast majority of the country. And your theory is off on one very important fact. The game was for the Electoral College, and not the popular vote. If it had been for the popular vote Trump would have campaigned differently. You're just butthurt because your bitch lost.

>>737486506
i dont like trump (nor did i like any other candidates)
i wouldnt trust russia for shit
but im not going to believe conspiracy theories without hard evidence. for real if anyone could show me real evidence of any of that then i would change my opinion.
trump administration is lol dum, yes, but every left leaning news organization and tv show and celebrity and even IRL people are figuratively shitting the bed. its embarassing.

>>737483207

The only income bracket that Trump won at all was the 50k-99k income bracket, in which he had a 2% lead over clinton. He lost all other income demos.

He was elected primarily by old, white, uneducated former-middle class people, who happen to be the largest block of voters in the country, and reliably vote for the republican candidate regardless of almost any exigent circumstances.

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>>737481267
Red states have disproportionate votes? You know illegal aliens count towards the population for the electoral college. This isn't some voter fraud conspiracy, the amount of representatives is bases on residents of a state as determines by the census, not citizens. There are about 15 electoral votes nationwide that are based solely on non citizen residents, and where do you think those are?

>>737486696
>the media getting good ratings means the media is right
no mate. you completely misunderstood the point i was making
my point was that ignorant people like you believe this
i'll bet you're not actually old enough to remember when the media even had some semblance of fairness
you actually made my point

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>>737478264

Butthurt detected

>>737484492

>It's funny because when society collapses I'll escape perfectly unharmed!

Keep thinking that lol

>>737485602

He has a 34% approval rating. If you thinking the American people at large support him you are completely delusional. You need to get out of your flyover state and out of your jiffy lube job and get off facebook and perhaps you'll see that.

>>737481118
>literally no evidence or source for any claims

But the left isn't really concerned with those are they? Just chalk every point up to "anonymous sources" and retract if you get called out

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>>737478264
CTR or lone wolf #ResistanceFIghter, OPs like this are just embarrassing either way. Do you think keeping this up for 8 years is going to do anything but grow his support?

>>737486696
Keen for Trump to get impeached so that Pence can start some government mandated shock therapy for you leftist faggots. You keep forgetting the Republican party owns the entire US government at the moment.

>>737481421
You are correct. Give it a couple months, states are already refusing to turn over their voter information. Obama literally wouldn't have won reelection without his illegal votes, I can't imagine there were less this time around.

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>>737478264
It's pretty obvious that Drump is a closeted homosexual. Like the signs are all there.

>>737487436
Keep going w/ the hurr durr people in flyover states are idiots. I've traveled all over the world and don't work at Jiffy Lube or do Facebook. There are a lot of very smart people who don't agree with you. You see 34% approval rating and think it's because everyone thinks like you. A lot of people are unhappy with him because he's not going far enough fast enough.

>>737487282

You think breitbart and FREEDOM EAGLE (DOT) FACEBOOK have some semblance of fairness? You think I care? The point of that people generally follow news which is biased in favor of things with which they agree. More people are favoring non-conservative sources. The writing on the wall is pretty clear. All politics has pendulum swings. The impulse against hillary and the democrats after 8 years of Obama helped to get Trump elected. Unfortunately, he's disgusting people so frequently that the he's giving a massive impulse to the pendulum swing in the other direction. You've done so much more damage to your own cause than you'll ever know.

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>>737486948
>they're still mad about chads in Florida
holy shit did i really find a Gore voter?
your whole argument is based on the fact that people in "lesser" states shouldn't be able to exert the power they're allowed because left wingers should be able to dilute their influence because they don't think they're smart enough to vote
please continue this thinking

>>737486891
>not true
>Sessions openly lies about not having met with Russian diplomats, Flynn fired over potentially compromising ties to Russia, Tillerson was former CEO of energy giant with substantial business interests in Russia

Pick one.

>don't know the answer
Russia has been hardline anti-American and anti-EU in its rhetoric since at least 2007, the difference being that Russia used its considerable foreign policy resources to counter the US and its allies directly (i.e. the establishment of an "alternative EU" vis-a-vis a customs union with former Soviet satellites and saber-rattling in the face of nuclear defense systems in Turkey) and by proxy (i.e. funneling arms to Syria through Iranian shipping companies).

>>737487770

Very smart people can be fooled into acting against their own interests.

>>737487770
see
>>737481949

>>737488050
Again, for the guy who seems to think he's the smartest man in the room you don't seem to understand the rules. The popular vote did not matter. Trump played a better game and beat the opposition at ever stage. He beat every one of the Republican candidates and he beat Hillary like a drum at the end.

>>737478264
I kinda like him.

>>737487771
>more people are favoring non-conservative sources
the people believe what the media tell them
yes the writing on the wall is clear. it says: people who don't think believe what the majority of the media tell them.
like you
>You've done so much more damage to your own cause than you'll ever know.
and i remember people telling me in 2010 that the tea party was the dying breath of old white males
yawn

>>737487147
I'm not saying anyone should "believe in conspiracy theories", I'm saying that it is not entirely unreasonable to suspect that Russia may be involved in US politics at a previously unprecedented level. And I also think that even if Trump did not intentionally collude with Russian officials, he isn't smart enough to know whether anything he discloses to those officials would constitute an act of treason. Kind of like George Bluth, come to think of it.

>>737482722
It was going down the shitter under Obongo, now its just going down slower.

>>737478398
You don't like trump. You like seeing liberals cry. There's a difference.

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>>737488216
you were babbling about how popular trump is. The fact is, he's not very popular. Hillary got millions more votes and lots of potential Hillary voters stayed home because they (foolishly) thought Hillary had it locked up.

>>737478398
>Those pussies can dish it out but they can't take it, poor babies.

that describes Trump to a T.

>>737488020
They can, but one of the problems in the world is people have different values. People on the right in the US generally want to be left alone to make their own lives. People on the left want a big nanny state that take redistributes wealth and tries to give people equality of results instead of opportunity. That doesn't work because eventually you run out of other people's money. The left has a huge problem with assuming anyone who disagrees with them is stupid or evil. Most of us just start at a different point and have different goals.

>>737487890
so you named two. fucking two.
you said "every week".
he's been in office for about 160+ weeks.
your claim is bullshit.

your second answer is laughable. it doesn't even address my question.

try harder

>>737488453
Nope. I wasn't saying how popular he was. I was pointing out that not everyone hates him. There are a lot of people on the right who don't like him, but are willing to give him a chance. The left has a pathological hatred of him and everything he does or says.

>>737488453
>tfw to smart to win

>>737479030
pretty much. We've got him shitting on his allies, running attack ads against GOP members. He keeps rambling about fucking TV personalities on his Twitter. He's under investigation for obstruction ( which he admitted to on TV ). Three major members of his campaign team are being investigated for collusion with Russia ( and hopefully Treason ), including his Son in Law.

I mean look, it ain't great. He won the election somehow, which was a major setback. But things are going ok for now.

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>>737482910
>cucked in the furniture store

>>737481356
Even a retarded clock is right twice a day

>>737488715
Enjoy your fake news. You can investigate anyone for anything. As the guy from CNN said it's going to be a big fat nothing burger.

>>737488715
if this is what defeating your enemies looks like then please keep defeating him
i'm ok with the state of the US like this

>>737488550

Do you just copy/paste your polticial ideas off of your local conservative drive time radio show or do you just rephrase it like a high school paper?

>>737488715
You do realize you're setting yourself up for even more dissapointment. Especially when the Russia investigation comes to nothing, the travel ban gets strengthened and more spics get deported back to Mexico.

>>737488550

>People on the right just want to be good people and people on the left want uncle same to fuck my wife

THIS is the real problem with American politics

>>737487820
No, I'm saying that voting in a democracy or even a democratic republic should work like this: 1 person: 1 vote. Under the current system, a resident of Wyoming has nearly 3 times the voting power as myself, a resident of Illinois. Why should the people of Wyoming have that much more influence over political affairs simply by where they live? If the majority of people in this country believe, for example, that gay marriage should be legal across all 50 states, why should some asshats from the midwest get to stand in the way of the majority? Why do they need to be coddled? My whole argument isn't based on some sense of superiority just because of my political beliefs, it's based on some pretty simple math. If anything, the influence of the left is diluted by the current system.

>>737487312
>I'll escape perfectly unharmed!
I'm with anon you're replying to on this; we don't fucking care anymore.
We know the ship takes us down with it, we still want it to go down.

>>737479032
What's your point snowflake? Trump said he was the best at making deals - Looks to me like it worked out for everyone involved.

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>>737484492
>>737487312
its a good lesson for democracy, and has pointed out some real fucking flaws in our system.

Sadly, I really need health insurance, so I might go bankrupt as a result. But in general, I think it is ok for America.

>>737487460
grow his support where? He already has the retard, christian, and rural gun muh amerika vote. You think he is going to be getting MORE of the people who voted for hillary lol? Nah - he just needs to lose about 100k voters throughout WI / MI / OH / PA. And basically, once they get a big tax break for the rich through... those votes are gone. Once they cut expanded medicaid to those voters - he is fucked.

I agree the "whining" is annoying - I mean who cares when he tweets some insulting shit - its like.. we get it, he's a fucking idiot. It doesn't need to be the news every day.

>>737488872
>s the guy from CNN said it's going to be a big fat nothing burger.
lol, 1 guy from CNN said it's a big nothing burger. Well.. it must be true then.

>>737489195
Russia won't come to nothing. They will definitely get Flynn/Manafort/Page. Will they get Trump? probably not. But it is sort of like Benghazi - there wasn't a story there, but you run it for 3 years and call Hil a murderer and make up fake stories.. well, people start to believe it.

In this case, there is a bit more meat on the bones. Trump also stated ON TV he fired Comey because he was continuing with the Russia investigation. If that isn't obstruction I don't know what is.

Hey as long as we have us some real Trump supporters here. Can someone explain to me why the first thing Trump did, when he won the RNCC, was to change the GOP platform to PREVENT sending military aid to Ukraine?

I mean, he is so stupid he didn't know that Russia had already invaded Ukraine... but yet he has strong opinions on the US supporting the Ukraine?

I've yet to hear a real answer for why he did that.

>>737484904
And what pronouns do we use for your gender?

>>737489431

Conservatives don't give two tuppenny shits about democracy my man. Anything that leads to good outcomes for them is good (including outright fascism). Anything that doesn't is bad.

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>>737478264
That traitor and lying assclown needs to go now.

>>737488550
>people on the right think that corporations have their best interests at heart. Just leave us alone, and let the local coal mine poison my water.

ok. honestly, this is why states should get to determine this shit. You dumb fucking yokels want to let corporate america fuck you up the ass, you should be able to.

>>737486948
...so why didn't this biased system stop the Nigger from winning, when that was like the coming of the apocalypse to the right? Is the system only fucked up when you lose?

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>>737489608
As a German myself its scary how they would suck Hitlers little limp cock big time sloppy and ballsdeep.

>>737489431
>If the majority of people in this country believe, for example, that gay marriage should be legal across all 50 states, why should some asshats from the midwest get to stand in the way of the majority?
oh i get it. you don't understand/value federalism at all
it's not meant to be equal, person for person. it's meant to even out population distribution and sizes of land.
you do not get undue influence for having a large population in a small piece of land and vice versa.
the fact that democrats are only whining about it post GWB and DJT wins seems a little suspect. no?
i heard nothing after Obama won both times

>>737487820
To be fair this is what the founding fathers thought and is the primary reason we have the electoral college in the first place.

>>737488596
Actually named three, but my understanding is that Trump is popular among low-education voters. I could have named others: Kushner's contemplating the necessity of a behind-the-scenes communication channel with Moscow, for example. Or Carter Page repeatedly denying any wrongdoing before finally admitting that he MAY have acted as a liaison between Trump's campaign team and Russian officials.

Like, why are all these people being so shady about their shit? We already knew Flynn was compromised, but since then Trump's admin has become LESS transparent in the face of investigation.

>>737487187
>He was elected primarily by old, white, uneducated former-middle class people, who happen to be the largest block of voters in the country, and reliably vote for the republican candidate

So how does this line of logic, that old white people can overwhelm any candidate in any election they please, unfairly, account for Obama winning not once, but twice?

>>737490015

You heard nothing after Obama won both times because he also won the popular vote, you fucking mongoloid. The only presidents in the last hundred years to lose a popular vote, and still win because of the patently anti-democratic electoral college, were both republicans.

>>737490162
>the founding fathers though people in "lesser" states weren't smart enough to vote for themselves
did you even pass a history class..ever?
see my post here >>737490015

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dFdtnzYt69s

>>737489431
>why should some asshats from the midwest get to stand in the way of the majority?
Again, if it's slanted to work as you say, HOW DID OBAMA WIN TWICE?

>>737478264
I love trump! Hes restoring energy jobs and providing opportunities to small businesses just like he said he would!

>>737489584
Now heres a question for you, what the fuck do we gain in this international clusterfucker conflict with Russia and why are you leftists so damn keen to start the fucking cold war all over again?

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>>737490323
>the system is fair when i win
t. democrat party

my point is that if democrats were seriously worried about it, they could have changed the system when they had power. but it's just a talking point when they lose
hmmmm

>>737490015
Oh, I get it. You think that just because ideas are old or once made sense they are still useful. Even though the whole concept of the Electoral College originated in the Virginia Plan and was designed to benefit the rich, white, land-owning farmers who were part of the Constitutional Convention by giving them a disproportionate share of political power despite living in less densely-populated areas so they could maintain their political influence far from where any actual law-making took place.

And why exactly didn't we get pissed when Obama won both times? Hmmm, let's think real hard about why his victories were different...

Oh yeah, he actually WON THE POPULAR VOTE BOTH TIMES in addition to the E.C. His victory represented the will of the majority, the way a modern democracy should work.

Like, are you trying to be this ignorant of history?

>>737489701
You're wrong. You see your opponent as evil and stupid instead of someone with a different point of view who disagrees with you. Someone who starts at a different point and has different values can disagree with you and not be either evil or stupid, but I hope you never figure that out. Underestimating your opponents is a huge mistake!

>>737490619
It's been restarted for some time, the intelligence agencies and the defense department (still conservative strongholds) all know it.

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>>737490213

I never said they overwhelm any candidate in any election, but they are an ultra-reliable virtually unchangeable voting block that accounts for a consistent 30-40% of the electorate in presidential elections and they nearly always choose the republican candidate.

The total number of votes cast in Obamas first election was higher than that of any election since 1968 as new voters turned out in historic numbers to elect the first black president. Decent voter satisfaction with Obama, as well as low voter turn-out for republicans secured his re-election.

If you require any further help understanding basic concepts of political science feel free to ask again. And as always you can utilize google to find more resources on this topic.

>>737490927
Okay why do you openly support it? What is there to gain out of military intervention in Ukraine and Syria?

>>737490787
>changed the system when they had power

Except REPUBLICANS HAD MAJORITY CONTROL OF THE HOUSE throughout Obama's presidency. If anything, they could have passed election reform but knew they stood to lose from it. So rather than do the honorable thing and then maybe adapt their message to appeal to more voters, they doubled down on their bigotry and got Trump.

>>737490893
The problem with your theory is the US was never intended to be a democracy. It is a democratic republic. There are a lot of checks and balances, and some of them are intended to keep prevent a tyranny of the majority.

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>>737490179
i'm sorry, not two, but three. three out of 160+ weeks? wow, still bullshit.
>my understanding is that Trump is popular among low-education voters
and where did you get this understanding?
go ahead. name others. investigate them too. lets see how it pans out.
and of course people lawyer up when they're under investigation. what if i investigated you? would you not?

duelling banjos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEhwIqmmEJY

>>737491151
Your idea would have them trying to appeal to voters who would never vote for them and would lose their base. It would be a great thing from your point of view, but suicide for them politically. You're not going to get rid of the electoral college in the near future.

how come its okay to use 9gag tier memes when its only about hate towards trump

>>737490619
That is a great question. But remember this was the GOP platform he changed... NOT some liberal left wing bullshit.

Why did a man who cannot find Crimea on a map - use his new political capital to give Russia a gift - and block military aid to ukraine?

It is just such a weird thing. And it was the FIRST thing he did!

Look no one wants a war with Russia - but there are some big issues at play.

See, the US and Ukraine had some pretty big fucking oil deals going on, and the Putin goes and invades that area, and basically seizes that drilling area.

So the US says - nuh uh fucker, and cancels the big EXXON / Russia artctic drilling project. So there is some real fucking money and strategic nation shit on the line.

Tied into this is the Syrian issue. And even fracking in the US. Obama's allowing us to keep fracking like fucking crazy has nearly crippled the russian economy.

I like how russian shills spread this whole "hillary will start WWIII" in syria shit. it was incredibly effective -but you'll notice Trump still bombed the shit out of al assad. Wasn't he going to stop doing that stuff? get us out of those wars? Oh wait... he lied again?!!!?!

>>737490926
You misunderstand me. My business works with offshoots of the GOP - I have near daily discussions with a range of people, from east coast elite republicans to , as I put it, dumb fucking yokels. I know the difference, and sadly, it isn't about point of view - it is about a willingness to ignore what is going on around you. It is about media brainwashing, religions brainwashing, and just good old fashioned stupidity.

Most of the people I run into who voted for Trump in the GOP primaries are either stupid, or political opportunists.

>>737491122
I don't support spreading "American capitalism" around the globe, which was half of the cold war and which is still happening, albeit less. But I also don't support Putin trying to build an empire when he has already demonstrated that he is willing to do so by force, as in the Ukraine. So I oppose Russia because I would rather do it now, low intensity, than to wait until he has gotten big enough that he can attack us and our allies openly.

>>737490997
>The total number of votes cast in Obamas first election was higher than that of any election since 1968 as new voters turned out in historic numbers to elect the first black president
>low voter turn-out for republicans secured his re-election
So how does shit voter turnout on the left side for this election make it unfair then?
>basic concepts of political science
This country has had this electoral system since its founding, it doesn't get more basic than that. Bitching about it will not change it.
Trump didn't win this one, the democrats lost it, and fucking hard. The system worked exactly the same as it always has.

>>737491361
this

>>737491179
Yes, but the checks and balances aren't working and the system is resulting in anti-republic rule of the minority.

>>737479081
Oh did you make that all by yourself? How original.

>>737491446
>The system worked exactly the same as it always has.

I would not be surprised to find out that Russia physically manipulated the vote. It isn't that hard to do - people "lose" boxes of ballets all the time. Stuffing ballot boxes has happened in every election ever.

>>737491559
Chill out, comrade.

>>737490619
It's funny because Trump is the one recklessly bombing Syria. Probably only a matter of time before some key Russian strategic position is hit.

Also, Russia has been keen to start WW3 since Putin took power. Putin's Russia is one of the most imperialistic projects since... idk, Imperial Russia? Clinton talked tough on Russia in general but she's a much more rational person than Trump and would probably go for the diplomatic option in a potentially hostile situation more readily than Trump (keep in mind that her husband brokered three major international peace agreements during his time in office).

As for what we have to gain from Syria, ask your guy in the White House. I hear he likes to brag about a good airstrike over dessert.

>>737491534
You're just mad because they did work. Trump played a better game and won what mattered. Hillary was arrogant and assumed she had it in the bag. She should have paid attention to what happened in the primaries.

>>737491151
again, your first sentence is bullshit. Democrats had the house and the senate and the presidency from 2008-2010. how many times did you hear calls for changing the electoral college system? 0
>So rather than do the honorable thing and then maybe adapt their message to appeal to more voters, they doubled down on their bigotry and got Trump.
honorable thing? you're funny.
so rather than do things that would put them at a disadvantage they appealed to voters to give them what they wanted and would turn them out tot he polling booth? shocker

>>737490787

Your partisanship and dishonesty is obvious but for the benefit of observers I'll point it out -

The system is fair when the democratic result (popular vote) and the republic vote (electoral college) coincide with one another. When they don't, that is a failed election. Every time the democratic result has failed in the last century, it has benefited a conservative republican. Presidential Elections in the US as of 2016, have a 7% failure rate.

Democrats did not "Change the system when they had power" because it would require a constitutional amendment, one which will never come about so long as conservatives understand that their only real ability to have relevance politically is to use antiquated, anti-democratic provisions of the law to disenfranchise their fellow countrymen.

The reason this is so dishonest is because if it were the other way around, or even just simply fair (one man, one vote), the fly-over conservatives would be howling bloody murder about how they are being trampled by the big-city college boys, when really they would just be losing a fair game politically. They don't want to do this because social conservationism and fiscal conservatism lost out in the marketplace of ideas and continues to do so.

>>737491673
they aren't communists anymore. didn you know russia is a democracy?

> I hear he likes to brag about a good airstrike over dessert.

hahah I was about to correct your spelling of "desert" when I remembered that whole chocolate cake / launching air strike thing.

holy fuck - you know this reminds me of 9-11.. when like. truth got stranger than fiction.

>>737491653
Russia no more manipulated the vote than we did the vote in Israel and England under Obama. They are playing the same game they've always played. The same game we play with the rest of the world.

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>>737478264
>Everybody hates Trump except rich people and in-breds

fixed

>>737491246
I'm not talking about people lawyering up, I'm talking about people flat-out LYING to investigators and then coming out like "okay, yeah, maybe I had a little teeny bit of communication with a known saboteur of the Western democratic order..."

>>737491446

You seem to be rather deeply confused about the nature of communication. I might suggest continuing to google educational resources as I am not sure I am currently able to assist you in understanding.

I am sorry to have failed you.

Good luck

>>737484553
>>737484622
>>737484675
I see what you did there

>>737478264
winnnnniiiiing!

dwi faggotatas

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>>737491559
I did make it all by myself. Thank you for noticing.

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>>737478398
Best fucking president. EVER.

I like Trump. What gives?

>>737482722
it's actually doing better now, shithead

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>>737492104
You're an idiot.

>>737491719
I think she received shitty strategy counciling. She was basically told " do nothing, just don't fuck it up. Don't give them anything to criticize you for"..

when clearly she needed to be out defining what she stood for, and how she was going to fix obama care. That the Unions in the midwest were voting against her was unthinkable, but that is pretty much what happened.

I'm not sure arrogance is the correct word.

>>737491833
Well, I'm gonna call that a false equivalency, since I'm perfectly OK with us manipulating other countries, but NOT ok when they do it to us. See that is what war looks like. Our job is to stop that shit from happening. Or at least that is our intel's job.

I know that we support political opponents in Russia. But the thing is, if you know Trump is supported by Putin, and they worked to get him elected.. well, doesn't that feel just a bit different to you? I mean, are you ok with that?

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>>737478264
I love trump because everyone hates him.

I voted trump because I wanted to see if we could elect him.

I wanted to see what would happen. Now i'm just along for the ride.

Reply to this or your mom won't get any sleep tonight

>>737492188
you know what... one thing I agree on. Bill clinton was a rapist. That is hard for me to admit - Bill was the first president I ever voted for, and I though the lewinsky scandal was the biggest piece of shit in the world ( i feel it even contributed to 9-11 happening... when Bill struck at al queda with missles... everyone including the press said he was doing it to distract americans )

But I digress - yeah I'm pretty sure Bill raped that one chick Juanita Broaddrick. I used to think it was just republican bullshit - but not anymore.

That is something the left refuses to deal with.

>>737491434
Except Ukraine is practically Russia's back yard and we've already got a military buffer in eastern Europe and Japan. The notion that support low intensity conflict in Ukraine and Syria is for our security is total bullshit. If you pursue this line of thinking then you'll only accept America as "secure" when the U.S. Flag is flying over the Kremlin.

>>737491410
Personally I don't see the need to fight Russia over some oil baron's investment in Ukraine or over Syrian barbarians killing each other as Syrian barbarians are bound to.

>>737492286
2edgy5me

>>737492201
It was in the news fairly regularly that she was ignoring advice from Bill. He is the one with the political touch. She ignored him (and others) at her peril and lost

I don't think Putin worked to get Trump elected. I think Putin fucked w/ Hillary and caused dissent in the US. Putin got what he wanted when Hillary lost and the Democrats are losing their minds over Trump.

>>737492342
she won't cuz I'm gonna be deep in her clamsauce

>>737491360
I'm not disagreeing with you: Republicans calculated that doubling down on the conservative message of tougher immigration policy (despite record numbers of deportations under Obama), making bullshit voter fraud claims about minorities (despite overwhelming evidence that voter fraud does not occur in large enough instances to make any significant impact on any election), and blaming LGBT people for the moral decay of society (despite most people not giving a shit) would resonate harder with their traditional base in disproportionately powerful states. It came back to bite them in the ass with Trump since anyone who disagreed with his bullshit could be accused of not being conservative enough, and now more centrist Republicans who would be willing to compromise to pass legislation can't speak out against Trump's policies.

>>737479032
>obama sanctions Russia over Ukraine

This was the wrong move. Yes Russia was involved. Yes they used unmarked troops to secure Crimea. Yes they supplied Russian sympathizers with guns and training. Yes, they took Crimea.

So what?

>>737492188
That doesn't seem fair.

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>>737492201
>I'm not sure arrogance is the correct word
Honestly, it's absolutely on point. Had she not forcefully cockblocked Sanders, and the election had come down to a FAR left vs Far right one, the outcome may have been different. Voter turnout on the left would have at least been much better.

>>737478264
>pre election: zero political threads on /b/
>post election: 24/7 humfpty drumfpty bashing

Really makes you think

>>737479081
> Anon is an art college dropout

>>737491759
>a failed election is an election i don't win
t. democrat party

>The system is fair when the democratic result (popular vote) and the republic vote (electoral college) coincide with one another.
no. not even close. take a civics class.

>Democrats did not "Change the system when they had power" because it would require a constitutional amendment, one which will never come about so long as conservatives understand that their only real ability to have relevance politically is to use antiquated, anti-democratic provisions of the law to disenfranchise their fellow countrymen.
this is another "we need to dillute the voters of people we disagree with argument"
no one is buying it. sorry "the electoral college" wasn't a talking point while they were in power. color me shocked

you talk about flyover conservatives, but that wasn't even a thing when the the electoral college was created.
your argument falls flat on it's face.

>>737491900
and how do you know they're lying?

>>737492484
The Republican party has become a wing of the Democrats in a lot of ways. They need to grow a spine and stand for what their voters are calling for. If they don't they're going to lose big in the future.

>>737492484
This is an ongoing problem for republicans - it is nearly impossible to get elected as a moderate in GOP primaries. It has been happening for like 10 years, increasingly with the heavy gerrymandering.

>>737492419
>>737492419
>you'll only accept America as "secure" when the U.S. Flag is flying over the Kremlin.

yes, same with China. this is how the world works.

>>737492419
>Personally I don't see the need to fight Russia over some oil baron

oil and fresh water are two of the most valuable resources out there - this isn't about oil Barrons. This is about national strategic and economic resources. This is about the future of countries, the ability to fuel tanks, the ability to keep an economy running. Don't ever underestimate how important oil is.

>>737491741
Two years. Two years, with only one of them being an actual election year early on in the Obama presidency, to change a longstanding political institution backed by a significant faction of the legislative body. Okay.

Again, if the will of the majority is honored by the political sphere, as it was during the Obama presidency, then the EC issue is understandably less of a priority on the policy agenda. But why is it that EVERY time this happens, it privileges a conservative idiot rather than the Democratic candidate supported by the majority?

>>737492535
Trump isn't even far right. The far right has been afraid that he's a New York Liberal from the very start.

>>737492535
lol bernie fag, not a lot of people want tax hikes, dumbass. He had a swarm of adolescents who could barely vote and people with college debt

>>737492931
He's certainly "far-right" in the eyes of the left.

>>737492778
>yes, same with China. this is how the world works.

Always the justification to go to war for the benefit of some scheming cockweasel who wants to get rich off the plunder. I don't buy it.

>>737492500
Ukraine is a US ally. Russia invaded them, and seized the Crimea. Russia ( and guess who Paul Manafort!!! ) propped up a pro-russian government in the Ukraine. Paul Manafort ran the an election in the US and got Trump elected here, while at the same time Russian intelligence hacked his opposition's email, releasing crippling information at strategic times ( day after DNCC ). They spread anti-hillary propaganda, used botnets to create and spread that propaganda, just like they did in Ukraine election.

To allow Donald Trump to remain as president is a crime. He is a traitor, and he , Manafort, Page, Flynn should be convicted of treason and strung up.

I understand that won't happen, but that piece of shit should not remain as president.

>>737492750
Their voters wanted Trump - overwhelmingly so.

>>737478398
Everyone who matters hates trump.

>>737493012
>You must have supported Sanders if you're making this argument
I'm saying there was very little incentive on the left to show up & vote Hilldawg, especially being blind to any chance of Trump winning. Gibs would have brought them out in droves regardless of Trump's perceived chances.

>>737493077
>>737492931
The left sees him as a dictator wanna be. Many of the policies he ran on were pretty leftist.. Trade protectionism! Health care for everyone!

We just knew he was full of shit.

>>737493213
when bashing on Hillary please remember she is a better, more important, and more powerful person than you will ever be.

Who was President when Crimea was taken? Dumb fuck.

>>737493141
A lot of people wanted Trump, but a lot of them weren't Republicans. He got a lot of the Reagan style Democrats also. I know a lot of Republicans who wouldn't vote for him because they considered him a liberal, or only voted for him because of his (smart) Supreme Court promise.

Trump was a protest vote for a lot of people who didn't like the direction we were being forced. People who were lied to when they were told they could keep their insurance, their doctor, and would save $2500/year on their insurance. People who have "health insurance" they can't afford to use because of Obamacare.

>>737493388
Hillary will never be "better" than anyone I know. She's more powerful, and far more corrupt, but she will never be better. Power does not make one good.

>>737492923
but it's not that they didn't change it, they didn't even mention it. it wasn't even a talking point. no one cared...until they lost
and this was AFTER they lost to Bush the same way
why is it a talking point now??
hmmmm
if the electoral college gives victory to a democrat, will democrats talk about it then?
hmmmm
admit it. it's bullshit.

>privileges a conservative idiot
toplel. are you upset?
playing by the rules is not privilege.
you knew the rules when you decided to play the game.

>>737492778
>oil and fresh water are two of the most valuable resources out there

(1) Oil, a dying industry. Renewables are coming. In many ways, are here already. Oil above 100 a barrel again? we'd need (1) oil embargo on one of the biggest suppliers to reduce supply; (2) massive demand for oil, like in a major war; and (3) invading a major oil producer to further reduce supply.

Iran, US ARMY, Iraq - the Bush wars were for oil revenues.

(2) Freshwater, that's CANADA.

>>737492722
Because they keep changing their stories, numbnuts.

Sessions:
>no one that I'm aware of, including myself, had any Russian contacts
Recuses himself from investigation literally hours later because he himself had two meetings with Russian diplomats while acting as a campaign surrogate.

Page:
>nope, never talked to the Russians no sir nosirreebob
"Okay, maybe I acted as a go-between between the campaign and Russian officials."

Tump:
>Flynn is a good guy, no problems there that I've heard of
Fires Flynn just weeks into the job because of investigation, we later find out that both Yates and Obama warned Trump about Flynn.

>>737478264

the russian shit is confirmed bogus by CNN interior staff. this russian connection, russian love story, it isn't real. its raw meat.

>>737493667
>Being in a room with hundreds of diplomats is a meeting

>>737493578
I don't know about all Democrats, but I would certainly take issue with it provided the Republican candidate wasn't an insane racist tyrant who brought out the absolute worst in American politics. But the trend is for conservative candidates to win through the EC, and the country is demonstrably growing more, not less, liberal, as evidenced by the sheer volume of pro-Clinton voters under 35 in the most recent election, so the situation is moot.

>>737493406
>People who were lied to when they were told they could keep their insurance, their doctor, and would save $2500/year on their insurance. People who have "health insurance" they can't afford to use because of Obamacare.

I agree with much of what you are saying. The left, and hillary in particular NEVER dealt with this problem. It was lie. Straight up. I think they knew it up front too.

They refused to take ownership for the fact that the ACA was NOT working the last two years, and worse - I don't think they had any plan to deal with it.

What blows my mind ( still ) is that the pro-union ( reagan democrat average joe guy ) voted for Trump. I get it in retrospect - they seem to have believed that he would get them jobs, and help them out.

>>737493615
>(1) Oil, a dying industry.

Fossil fuels are so fucking important you cannot believe it. Renewables won't power energy stations, won't move fleets of trucks, won't make plastics, won't keep tractors running. and CHEAP! oil is insanely cheap for what it does for us. Yes renewables ( well sort of.. renewable-ish ) are coming down the pipe. We are working to use solar / wind / etc. But nothing provides cheap fuel like oil. The world economy runs on oil - you think that shit is going to change tomorrow? There is a reason we are fucking creating small earthquakes to release hidden fossil fuels in the US. poisoning drinking water ( and fuckiing with crops ).

It is impossible for us to completely stop using petroleum, so when the prices begin to skyrocket again - you will see just how important of a strategic asset it is.

>>737493896
Nice try with the sarcasm, except Sessions recused HIMSELF. If he felt that anything he had to say wouldn't compromise the administration, why wouldn't he stay on?

>>737489608
i think conservatives just have a different solution strategy to existing on a planet with finite resources.

liberals think everybody should get a relatively equal share meaning the least deserving get more, and the more deserving get less. nobody's special because everybody is special. do too good and get punished for it.

conservatives, on the other hand, value only the already-successful and perceive poor people in two ways, do-nothings who should be done away with, or if the person's getting educated, theyre a potential threat to conservative peers and should also be done away with.

tldr: liberals = anti-greed
conservatives = anti-poor

>>737493667
don't forget manafort lol. HE is the one who coordinated all this shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=923SiDdLSic

>Are you saying that Donald Trump has no financial relationships with Russian Oligarchs?

>eh uhm uah yes that uh.. that is our position

>>737478479
No, sorry.. Pelosi and the other crippled Democrats and MSM look like complete retards in comparison.. it's a lovely sight watching the left and croanies melt down to turd water....progress!!!

>>737494197
>do too good and get punished for it.

I disagree with this. It is when you grow past a certain point, your responsibilities grow exponentially.

The rich poor gap in this country is getting out of control. That is bad for economy, bad for the country.

>>737492286
>I love trump because everyone hates him.
>I voted trump because I wanted to see if we could elect him.
>I wanted to see what would happen. Now i'm just along for the ride.

That would make you kind of dumb with seriously shitty values.

>>737494341
Manafort is the easy target and honestly not really a relevant political player post-election. I'm just pointing out that Trump is already president and new things keep coming up. Either Trump is being manipulated by Russia OR (and in my opinion the more likely scenario) he is too stupid and ego-driven to maneuver his way through an investigation for which there is yet very little hard evidence. Neither are indicators of the sort of persona necessary to run the most powerful nation on the fucking planet.

>>737494484
i'd like to think you're right. i know im painting with very broad strokes in that last post, but I've known a decent number of conservative business owners and politicians who seem threatened by the idea of poor people getting educated, becoming business owners, and potentially being on common ground with them.

but these are just people ive met in my part of the country, and greed is greed, and i could be wrong. i hope im wrong.

>>737494612
I'll take "Trump Voters" for $1000, Trebek.

>>737494612
you make it sound like your condemnation has any meaning at all.

>>737494914
>you make it sound like your condemnation has any meaning at all.

Your condemnation has no meaning.

>>737494106
Give it a rest faggot, so he greets a russian diplomat in a crowded room full of old white guys and forgets about it, where is the crime?

Oh right it's totally normal to forget insignificant details over time, I bet you couldn't put the faces and countries and titles of every person you met in passing (let alone remember their names) going back 5 months without some kind of deep memory implant, not to mention you wouldn't meet 5% of the people Jeff does in any decent span of time.

>>737494914
"Act only in accordance with that maxim through which you can at the same time will that it become a universal law." - Kant

So if we extend the logic to your edge-lord "watch the world burn" mentality, you'd be fine with me applying my own random super shitty values of straight-up murdering your ass with a rusty spoon for the lulz?

>>737494612
seems that being dumb with shitty values is working for us. how are all those e-petitions, NYT articles and peaceful protests working?

as much as i think they're faggots, antifa seems to at least remotely on track for whats to come. fuck eloquence. fuck courts. fuck feelings. whoever shits hardest wins.

>>737495067
then why whine about us at all?

>>737495354
lol if you can kill me faster than im already killing myself then job well done. i'd be dead and youd still be stuck in the mess that me and other people have made.

>>737495258
So the AG of the country, knowing full-well the severity of the allegations against the administration of which he is a member, with access to aides and secretaries and records of his meetings, public appearances, and contacts, VOLUNTEERS (under oath) that neither he nor anyone he knew of had any contacts with officials from a foreign power with a known record of election meddling and anti-American rhetoric? And we're supposed to trust his judgement? How long are you going to keep making excuses for the sheer blinding STUPIDITY of the current administration? Like, I honestly don't even think there's anywhere near enough evidence to prove Trump committed treason; it's pretty clear Trump is just NOT clear-headed and rational enough to manage his way out of this.

>>737495366
Be very careful opening up that box. Things will come out of it that you can't stop and you won't get it closed again. At some point people are going to get tired of the violent protests and they'll stop them. How many people do you want to see die?

>>737478479
Your pain makes me happy

>>737479032
Liberals are the v47% who don't pay taxes.

It wouldn't be that bad of an idea for The Russian Federation to take the USA under its wing. Western models of democracy has proven themselves to be inefficient, wrought with endless debates and pandering to special interest groups. Russia's democracy has proven that with a clear lead that isnt afraid to make hard decisions, and a unified support base, a world of growth awaits.

can you imagine a trans-continental super-nation? can you imagine what we could do with that kind of power?

>>737488715
Hey buddy the collusion meme is dead.

You are 0-4 in special elections
You lost the Paris Accord
You're about to lose Obamacare.
We got our travel ban back
We got Kate's law.
And more to come.

>>737489608
Conservatives do what's practical

>>737496095
however many need to. i really don't care.

youre right tho. antifa is already starting to give up which is sad. it wouldve been fun to see them try and go all guerrilla and start blowing shit up or doing drivebys.

im not really political, i just like watching people lose their shit.

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>>737496027
You need to move on from Russia, everyone except the Twitter idiots still think has conspiracy has legs.

>>737496372
So you want a Russian style democracy? A country run by a high ranking KGB official for his own good? Russia is just doing the Party thing w/ a democracy coating at this point. It's still for the benefit of the very small number of people in power and their cronies. If you disagree with them you end up dead from polonium.

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>>737482455
CHECKED AND REKT

>>737494738

>>737494811
oh I agree with the second part, I was just defending the liberal part : )

I think that conservatives believe that the poor could do well if they wanted. Now substitute the word "black" "mexican" "indian" instead of poor, and I agree more with your assertions. most conservatives I know really believe in the american dream of vertical mobility. Inside they might agree that the poor shoiuldn't be educated, but I don't know any ( aside from insane christianfags / mormons / nazis ) who think the poor shouldn't be educated.

VERY few conservatives truly embrace the view the that it is ok to crush and destroy others - they mostly hide that from themselves. Frankly I admire the ones who understand that capitalism is ugly and unfair, but say "fuck it". At least they are honest about who they are.

>>737495258
then why did he recuse himself?

>>737496397

>You are 0-4 in special elections
yep

>You lost the Paris Accord
yep

>You're about to lose Obamacare.
nope

>We got our travel ban back
nope. you got an insanely limited version that serves no fucking purpose whatsoever. it's a political victory , but a small one. I'd be worried about it, but the dumb-fuck-in-chief has us talking about Mika for some reason


>>737496705
>You need to move on from Russia
nope. for 32 major reasons

1) I think it has legs, and every day Trump refuses to act against russia it gains more steam ( sorry, mixing metaphors here )

2) Even if it was 100% complete bullshit, Trump is now looking at obstruction charges

3) It delegitimizes Trump as president. Even if 100% false, it lets me say "not my president". And that is beyond value to the left.

>>737487312
Thinking "world leaders" have any say in the real shit. Grow up kid

Hello ShareBlue

>>737496617
You really don't want to see that. Once it goes violence things will go bad really quickly. There are a lot of us who carry guns every day. We won't start a fight, but there's a good chance we'll end it if the fight comes to us.

>>737481750
He actually payed more taxes than any Democrat

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>>737496830
>A country run by a high ranking CIA official for his own good?

haha, sorry had to.

edit: captcha is out of fucking control

>>737496830
not everyone can have everything.

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>>737478264

Pulling out of the Paris agreement was already more than I could have hoped.

Now there is talk is repeal no replace. That's even better

>>737496988

You're nuts if you think Bush was anywhere near the level of Putin. Putin is a criminal in charge of a former super power. Bush had his problems, but I never heard of him killing political opponents.

Obamacare dies next week

>>737496964
sources please

>>737496956
are you kidding?!!! we would LOVE YOU FUCKERS to start using guns. OH god PLEASE. The NRA has been walking this tightrope between anti-police/support the police.. and I need that to come crashing down.

You fags need to shoot a few more people - god I get wet at the thought of you open carry faggots acting tough

>>737497112
yeah it was joke, but I mean, cmon... it is a bit funny that the head of the US' spy agency became president. Any other country we'd be like "OMG SO CURRPUT", but here we are like "OH HE JUST GOOD GOVT SERVANT!"

>>737478264
I don't. And this Russia conspiracy is getting embarrassing and killing the Democratic party. Election deniers are way worse than birthers ever were.

>>737497112
I admire Putin

I love Trump. Cleaning up the niggers mess isn't easy work tbqh.

>>737478264
Since when OP?

>>737496568
>Conservatives do what's practical
>Conservative vote goes to a guy who wants to: launch the most expensive, invasive mass-deportation policy ever seen; spend tens of billions of taxpayer dollars and government resources on a wall that maybe but probably not some other country will pay for; begin re-criminalizing marijuana despite the destabilizing effect the War on Drugs has had on inner cities and across the US-Mexico border; carpet bomb Syria despite the blowback effects similar military campaigns have had in the past; etc.

Pick one.

>>737497193
The military is 80% Republican. We would destroy you.

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>>737479365
>us
Spotted the friendless unemployed man-child starved for acceptance who lost at life

>>737478264
>Everybody hates Trump.

Keep repeating it, maybe it will come true.

>>737495366
>seems that being dumb with shitty values is working for us. how are all those e-petitions, NYT articles and peaceful protests working?
>as much as i think they're faggots, antifa seems to at least remotely on track for whats to come. fuck eloquence. fuck courts. fuck feelings. whoever shits hardest wins.

What is being won though?

>>737496956
id love to see what you can do. call me an edgelord if that helps you feel better. its not like i give a fuck about my family or go outside. i just like to see new ways for things to get worse.

>>737497252
That is practical

>>737497252
Recriminalizing marijuana? What dumb shit are you reading on the Jewbook boy?

>>737485711
>cnn
kek

>>737497193

We're only going to guns if the violence comes to us. My guns are to protect myself and my loved ones. I know the left wants to push this to violence, but I don't think some of you have any idea of how violent it will get and how fast it will go. It is absolutely stupid to try to start a violent civil war.

>>737497326
Anti fa are cowards, they are easily beat up.

>>737496705
I'll move on from Russia when:

a) A reliable government/law enforcement source concludes its investigation and announces that Russia did not meddle in the election to Trump's advantage AND that the Trump administration definitively did not collude with Moscow either prior to or post- election.

b) The current administration stops acting like it has something to hide.

>>737497334
Me? I'm not into calling people names. I'll be peaceful until someone forces me not to be. Then we'll find out if decades of training is worth anything.

>>737497454
Can't disprove something that didn't happen

>>737497326
i just enjoy watching people chap one anothers asses until it all melts down and people have it out in the streets. i've been hoping to see the michigan militia get involved but no luck yet. maybe just fucking up coffee shops, liberal college campuses, and other places that millenials coagulate.

>>737497454
Comey already gave you that, as did trapper and coats

>>737497368
His own AG LITERALLY advocated for a return to harsher sentences for marijuana users.

>>737497252
real conservatives didn't want Trump. But they didn't have much choice. Trump seriously fucked up the GOP, it was pretty awesome to watch. Would have been funnier if it didn't end with thim as president though .

>>737497293
>>737497395

spare me your deep state wanna be shit, you fucking welfare queen. The left doesn't want to "push this to violence" that is you open carry cunts. We need a few more of you try hards to show up with guns. Please do it ok? Because the government will come down on you so fucking hard. They will take your fucking guns, they will lock you militia trash up ( like they always do ) , and the military will fucking crush you. You think "you" are the military, but that isn't how it goes down - they'll bring in niggers and spics from california who will just love putting some alabama good ole boys into body bags.

When

>>737497368
are you saying that isn't true? Sessions has said he is going to.

>>737497585
FAKE NEWS FAK... oh

I am center-left but it's getting hard to read the literal stream of bullshit coming from far left radicals

>muh piss tapes
>muh russia collusion
>muh russia obstruction

>>737497435
>Anti fa are cowards, they are easily beat up.

Good Christ, I'm in middle school again.

>>737497585
sounds good to me. druggies are an even bigger drain on society than niggers and mexicans combined.

>>737497454
Please don't move on. It's making you fuckers look loony and making 2020 an easier win.

>>737497361
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

>>737497454
The first part of a) really doesn't matter. So what if Russia meddled? It's what they do. I don't see where they had any real effect other than maybe hacking Hillary's server with 4 or 5 other countries. Anything that happened there was her own fault, and if she wasn't a Clinton she would go down for hundreds of felonies.

As for b) you're never going to accept that they have nothing to hide. You see what you want to see. This means you are never moving on from Russia. Trump is living in your head rent free.

>>737497550
I know I'm looking forward to it.

>>737497624
no you aren't. if you are center left, and think the russia stuff is all made up, you are fucking idiot.

Trump LITERALLY SAID he fired comey for continuing the investigation. he said it on TV. How do you think obstruction is fake? fucking lol.

>>737497480
if you're replying to me and in this thread, its only a matter of time before you crack and start throwing molitovs in the name of karl marx

>>737497585
Good, legalizing weed is a mistake.

>>737497722
because it makes you mad for me to think its fake

>>737497743
we need ID's back.

anyway, I'm out. fuck all you trump fags, cant' wait until your fat aunt gets the dabeetes and loses her feet because she can't afford health care. OR when you finally knock some toothless chick up, lose your job, and have to give birth in the ER like some illegal spic.

>>737497820
thats how I can tell you are a liar, and not "center left" fucking shill lol

>>737497587
How are we pushing this to violence? It's the left getting violent when people on the right try to demonstrate. The difference so far has been people have stood up to them. In Berkley it was the left throwing bottles and explosives.

>>737497587
There GOP is beating the shit out of you. The dnc is in s civil war and the GOP will gain more senate seats in 2018.

I may hate trump, but nothing tops my enduring hate for hillary rodham clinton and each senior DNC member in power for the 2016 election season.

I'm glad he won. I'm glad the media got clowned.

I'm glad both shady right wing news outlets peddling bad news, and mouthpieces for the democratic agenda in the media blatantly outed themselves. I'm glad the break in trust with the government that started with Watergate has reached a terminal breaking point, and I'm just generally preferring the current state of affairs.

I agree with nothing trump does, but I want the democrats to fucking perish, because they're the main thing standing between the right wing and a proper left wing response. If their death is accellerated, the rise of a proper left wing party becomes more likely. I love u bernie but I think it's time for the bad cop to ur good cop honey.

>>737497585
I know you're 18 and just getting into this but let me clue you in. Nothing is going to happen. Weed is the last goddamn thing on Trumps mind.

Just smoke your fucking bowls and chill out. For the love of God promise me you don't say stupid shit like that in public because people will make fun of you cheech.

>>737497834
I have healthcare, I always have had it. My parents have Tricare for life

>>737497673
I honestly don't think there's a whole lot to the Russian thing, I think most liberals think the administration is acting shady as all fuck about it and watching them crash and burn on their own hubris is some great karmic justice.

Like, all Trump had to do was listen to Yates and Obama about Flynn. Could have just said "You know, he was someone we were considering for a position in the new admin given his experience but we've decided to go with someone else." But no. In true Trump fashion, rather than swallow his pride, Trump doubled down on Flynn's qualifications and that made the subsequent investigation and firing that much worse for the president's public image.

>oh woe is me no one has ever been more attacked than me for things that could have easily been avoided

Fucking snowflake.

>>737497587
1. It was never decriminalized at a federal level. How do you recriminalize something?

2. If he was going to do it, it would already happened.

You mother fuckers and your weed.

>>737497834
already working on the cancer and diabetes. dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

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>>737497252
>most expensive, invasive mass-deportation policy ever seen
If that's what you call having ICE agents start doing their actual job again, then sure.

>spend tens of billions of taxpayer dollars and government resources on a wall that maybe but probably not some other country will pay for
Most estimates place the cost of the wall at around 12-15 billion, less than we already spend on gibs for immigrants themselves, not to mention all the other dumb shit we waste money on. Plus, I'd be willing to spend three times that for something that will cause that much left wing butthurt.

>begin re-criminalizing marijuana
First I've heard of it, but it should be re-criminalized, fuck stoners.
>destabilizing effect the War on Drugs has had on inner cities and across the US-Mexico border
Shitskins killing each other over retarded gang shit, who cares? If they're Mexican just deport them, if they're black shoot them or incarcerate them, no big deal. Drug dealers are sub-human scum.

>carpet bomb Syria despite the blowback effects similar military campaigns have had in the past
He has literally not said one word about carpet-bombing Syria or anywhere else since 2015.

>etc
In other words, you've reached the end of what you know about his policies. Try getting your news from somewhere besides Stephen Colbert's Twitter feed.

>>737497864
not a liar, just like seeing you mad

>>737498033
Yes. Exactly that. Keep doing that. It will be a regan sized blowout.

>>737497820
>because it makes you mad for me to think its fake

Shit values.

>>737497672
Yeah, because housing them in federally-funded private prisons costs taxpayers billions each year.

Ah, the Modern American Conservative: proudly protecting the individual from the tyranny of big government by locking him up for smoking weed, all on the taxpayer's dime.

>>737497587
Not a welfare queen, and not in the militia. I'm just a guy who works for a living. The military isn't going to "crush" us because we're not doing anything illegal. But we do have the training and guns if a bunch of criminals decide to attack us.

>>737497894
I'm 26 and I don't think much is going to change, I'm just pointing out the disconnect/hypocrisy between what conservatism is supposed to value vs. what Trump's own administration says. I know you sheeple certainly won't hold your leaders' feet to the fire.