/b/'s thoughts on veganism?

>>737185906
Doesnt bother me, aslong as it isnt hurting ayone who gives a fuck?

>>737185906
99% of people here dont know what it means

>>737186019
Anon you are supposed to Call OP auf faggot.

>>737185906
Vegans are normally weak ,lanky streaks of piss who think they soooo good for not eating cheese

>>737185906
More cheese for me and a quicker death for vegans, 10/10.

>>737185906
i think it's a pointless existence. Our bodies weren't designed for exclusively plant based diets. If they were, our teeth would be much different than they are. More molars, no canines, and much thicker enamel.

>>737186604
I wonder why cats don't have molars, well atleast like 2 in the back because my cat struggles to eat her food because canine teeth are made for ripping and shredding not chewing

>>737185906
Good. I'm a vegan. I have some issues with the community but mostly they're pretty cool too.

>>737185906
I have nothing to say about the matter.

>>737186356
You're confusing strength with obesity. Vegans are much less likely to be obese, but are generally equally strong. A fair few strength world records have been set by Patrik Baboumian - a vegan.

>>737186604
Our bodies weren't designed at all, and appeals to nature are just hippie bullshit.

Dont mind it. I just hate the vegans who act all pretentious and are total assholes just cause they dont eat meat

>>737187430
Not saying they don't exist. They do, and I've had the displeasure of meeting a couple, but how do you feel about the opposite? I've known many more pretentious meat eaters retelling 10-year-old maddox jokes.
They'll probably even show up itt

>>737187551
If opposite, you mean people who eat meat and despise vegans?
Well same thing, I think they're total asshats for that.

>>737187678
fair enough you seem like a pretty cool guy

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Look at this delicious bacon cheeseburger I had the other day.


Spoiler: it's vegan

>>737187964
Yeah, doesnt matter what your preference in food.
It doesnt mean you're superior than anyone else just because you eat this and not that or whatever.
Thanks! Same goes to you anon!

>>737188018
burger looks dry, cheese looks like painted cardboard, patty looks like a giant prune with oil

>>737188180
>0 to jel in 0.4 seconds
wew

>>737188018
Yea.... It looks unappetizingly vegan.....

>>737185906
it's alright, I wish some vegans would be a little less preachy though

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>>737185906
it´s the right thing to do taking all pros and cons into consideration. and i mean fuck your opinion, doesn´t matter. objectively veganism is the best for you, for the animals and the environment. nobody could even ague about that.

>>737189422
agreed. It is obviously the right thing to do.

>>737185906
Still cruel to animals. Eg cows kept permanently pregnant for your milk, baby cows then sold for veal at 2 weeks. Go vegan.

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>>737185906

>>737187390
"Hippie bullshit"
I'm sorry the fine refinement process of human evolution isn't enough to be considered a design in the works for you.

>>737185906
I love vegans. They taste good and nobody investigates them vanishing when you harvest them as meat because so many people find them annoying. You eat food's food? You are food. Vegan diets make the flesh of vegans taste awesome.

>>737191186
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature
not an argument.

>>737189422
Right, because human industry cares about the cattle.
If it wasn't for us using them for meat and milk, we would replace the pasture with fields for plants instead.

The concept of veganism itself is fine, if somewhat weird considering our bodies are adapted to eat a mixed diet.

Vegans, on the other hand, tend to be annoying as fuck. I've never met a vegan who hasn't ended up becoming a preachy, loud-mouthed jerk after four months of being a vegan. Must be the vitamin B12 deficiency kicking them, but still.

>>737191367
It's not an appeal to nature. It's a fact that evolution has shaped us to be omnivorous. Now we can in fact subsist on nothing but a very wide variety of plants, but this is only a realistic option for people living in first world countries. In poorer regions of the planet (read everywhere else) people don't have this environmentally friendly choice. So, instead of trying to subsist on the one crop they can afford, they supplement it with the most logical choice, meat. ... And delicious bone marrow of that meat. If you want to be a vegan for environmental reasons, fantastic. But the rest of the world doesn't really notice the benefits even if 100% of 1st world countries went vegan.

>>737191674
>"it's not an appeal to nature"
>"evolution has shaped us to be omnivorous"

:)

It's an appeal to nature. Our biggest breakthroughs in every facet of society, in health and medicine and morality, all came from ignoring what's "natural" and trying to improve regardless.

>>737188018
>Look at this delicious bacon cheeseburger
>bacon
lies
>cheese
lies
>burger
lies

>>737191868
>"We need oxygen to breathe"
>Appeal to nature!! Invalid!!

>>737191868
Yeah, just like AIDS becoming a thing to get rid of the gays. Y'know, for the betterment of mankind and all that.

>>737191868
It's not an appeal to nature if the discussion is about whether or not it's natural you moron.
>Is veganism normal and healthy?
>No, here is proof that it isn't normal. Our bodies are designed to eat meat because meat is an expected part of our diet.
>Logical fallacy! The fact that it's not normal is irrelevant to whether or not it's normal!

>>737188018
lol how fucking weak do you have to be so switch to vegan and then order vegan food that looks and tastes like meat food...

you are fucking pathetic and are doing this just to look better in the eyes of someone else, not for you. and that in itself makes you weak

>>737186604
We have some teeth for meat you nigger bitch

Nutrition student (that allmost is a registered dietitian) and food/health passionist here.

I think that in terms of health, veganism isnt that great. Most of the benefits are from eating more fruits and vegetables, which you could obviously also do when you arent a vegan. Also, eating a healthy vegan diet is HARD. There barely are ant vegans who actually know what they are doing, and the problem is, you do need to know what you are doing when you are a vegan. Our bodies are designed as omnivores. It is possible to eat healthy as a vegan (including b12 supplementation), but you cant just randomly start being a vegan without carefulyl controlling all your food intake.

Enviroment wise its quite effective. There is no denying that livestock has a huge impact on the environment. Eating less meat = good for the planet (this is assuming that environmental change is a true thing, which is a scientific debate etm)

And there there is the emotions argument. Thinking its not cool to kill animals. I honestly think this is kinda weak. If you think about it..., you literally are limiting your own life because your emotional connection to unknown random animals are overwhelming you. I wouldnt be too proud of that.

Then the last argument, the hype. Being a vegan is somewhat of a hype among lefties now. Not sure what to think of it.

>>737192029
Thing is, you can demonstrate that oxygen is needed to live. You cannot demonstrate that for me.

You are left with simply an appeal to nature, like the post above. Try again.

>>737192171
"healthy" and "natural" are completely different things. Arguing that veganism isn't healthy because it's "not natural" is an appeal to nature, and of no value in such a discussion.

Actual studies into the health of vegan diets have found positive results.

>>737192420
>"nutrition sudent"
>doesn't actual cite any studies or data, just his gut feeling

seems legit.

Vegan diets are fine, better in may ways, worse in a few:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1627S.full

>>737192420
>which is a scientific debate etm
9/10
You made me believe you were intelligent and knew what you were talking about up till then.

>>737192692
nobody cares you little shit

>>737192823
kek

>>737192692
lol who the fuck cares? so you live longer or what? who the hell would want to live past 80-85 anyway? everybody in the western world can reach that age nowadays and nobody sane wants to be an old sack of shit that cant to shit anymore

i'll eat my meat and if i die happy at 80-85 my life was perfect. you do whatever you fucking do

>>737192692
>>"nutrition sudent"
>>doesn't actual cite any studies or data, just his gut feeling
Thats exactly that dietitians are for. A translation between the science and the average person. An average person has absolutely no need to read hundreds of scientific studies. Neither is it a wise idea because who would probably lack the ability to interpret the study.

>>737192977
emo as fuck. Go slit your wrists, I'm gonna carry on being a strong, healthy vegan.

>>737187068
Cats naturally have a carnivorous we just feed them shit bc were shit

>>737192692
See, >>737192977 is exactly why linking studies is a bad idea. The guy interprets the study as if vegans live longer due to eating a vegan diet. But the reality is that the study you linked has absolutely no way of telling that the longer lifes are actually due to eating a vegan diet.

correlation =/= causation

>>737193140
have fun with your salads and noodles, idiot

veganism is the religion of nutrition... with meat eaters being atheists

they do their shit and can do their shit without converting orhters to join their club "because it is soooo good"

see how meat eaters dont care what you do but every vegan faggot tells the meat eaters that what they do is shit?

thats right. thats whats wrong with you.

>>737193186
You misread that study so badly it's embarrassing. Give it another shot.

>>737193186
>better not cite any studies and sources because someone might interpret it the wrong way

IDIOT!!!

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>>737185906
It's a bit too tryhard for me. Like, you shouldn't waste your life fixating that hard on food, or anything. Vegetarianism is cool, tho. But honestly, I don't care what other people eat. I did trigger a vegan once though quite by accident by talking too loudly about how we like our steaks.

>>737193427
Thats far from idiotic. There is no way on earth that someone who isnt educated in research methodology can properly read a study. Studies were never meant to be read by the general public. It only creates confusion.
>>737193409
How did i misread it? The study has no ellaboration on the mechanical side. It is merely an obserational study. An observational study is always a case of not truely knowing the causation.

*meat eater voice* "I don't trust 'science' or 'data' or 'facts' when they feel wrong to me."

>>737194123
Well for a start, you seem to not even realise that it's a metaanalysis.

Give it another shot. You're struggling.

>>737185906
More meats for me

I like it.
But not for me!

>>737185906
it's just a fucked up trend with some seeking attention fags that can't live more than an hour without reminding you "oh...and i'm vegan".

>>737194885
>never mind is two words
>nevermind is a nirvana album

>>737194997
>leather clothes
kek

>>737194273
Why do you randomly assume i dont see its a meta analysis? The fact that it is takes nothing away from when ive said. It still is a meta analysis made up entirely out of observational data. My point remains the exact same whether this a meta/review or not.

>>737195088
You literally referred to it as an observational study. Now it's "obviously I see it's a metaanalysis." You're a mess lol.

>>737194758
>>737194771
>>737194803
>>737194885
>>737194894
>>737194909
>>737194950
>>737194966
>>737194980
>>737194997
>>737195052

Holy shit those are bad
Personnally, I coudn't care less as long as they don't shove it down people's throat. Especially when providing false information.

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>>737195212
Its a real thing.

veganartbook.com

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>>737195211
>>737195251

>>737185906
Good for environment, never going to be one

It's 2017, the evidence have been around for over 40 years. Veganism is the better ethical choice. It's the better environmental choice. It's the better health choice.
It's just better in all ways. Look at our bodies, they're made for fruits and greens. We get sick by eating dead corpses, and drinking other creatures breast milk.

I think everyone should watch "The Secret Reason we Eat Meat" by Dr. Melanie Joy, to better understand the psychology behind Carnism. Peoples dissonance is amazing when it comes to protecting food. And the discimination is amazing as well, that they get pissed off for people eating dogs or horses, but they will gladly pay for someone to grind up baby chickens, or bashing piglets against concrete floors.
They would gladly pay those peoples salary.

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>>737191868
>being this retarded

>>737186228
what? not eating or using animal products?

>>737195436
How many of these things are there??

veganism is a cow, duh.

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>>737194980
Obv all of those are bullshit but this one got me.
>Vegans don't suffer from superiority complex

I kekd heartily

>>737195352
sick of both, don't care about either and just want to enjoy my food

>>737185906
if they're gonna be vegan, they better be going whole hog

none of this using plastic products shit, that's made from animals too

>>737195181
What i meant is that a meta-analysis consisting entirely out of observational studies is basicly the same in term of proving causation as a single observation study is. It proves absolutely nothing. It is, in essence, just an observational study.

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>>737194980
>Suffers from an extremely heavy superiority complex
>not vegans

>>737192609
>>737192171
>>737191868
>>737191674
>>737191367
>>737191186
>>737187390
>>737186604

I enjoyed this argument

>>737186019
this. More meat for me anyway

>>737195580
bitch didn't answer the question.
This now bugs me.

>>737195639
the answer is in the upper right

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>>737186356
Yeah, except Patrik Baboumian, who is a world champion strongman, is a long time vegan.

>>737195699
"a"?

>>737186356
Where have you been hiding? Ever heard of the ProteinShift? Or that tons of athletes are going vegan? Or that 34 medals were won by vegans in a bodybuilding contest? Or that the only US weightlifter to make the olympics was a vegan?
Or that the biggest mammals on earth, are herbivores? Or that all proteins we need can be found in plants?
Get updated. Educate yourself.

>>737195658
But that's on every comic.
And if the answer was Yes, they'd have to explain why they can drink semen but not milk.

>>737186356
I find it amusing that you refer to eating condensed breast milk manly.

Fucking amusing, thinks breast feeding at your age is 'strong'. Specially since you contributed to rape, cradle snatching and abuse. But mentioning these things will only boost your dissonance and piss you off. So there's that. So manly..

>>737195880
are hinamori amu and cloud strife married

>>737195830
Or why if they protest wool, they are actually hurting sheep, because it can become vastly overgrown and harm the animal.

And cows can become uncomfortable and even in pain without regular milking.

Every fucking one of these comics is "Strawman : the artbook"

>>737195830
When you give someone a blowjob, it's often consensual. When you rape a cow, steal and kill her baby, and drink her breast milk, it's often not consensual. There's the difference. Think a little, I'm sure you're not 'that' naive.

>>737195996
did you just assume sperm's consent?

>>737195950
Are you thick?
The sheep are BRED into producing more than they need, the same with cows. About 12 times more than they need to feed their baby. Who we kill anyway, before we steal and drink her breast milk.

I wonder how the FUCK all these creatures lived up til about 10 000 years ago when we started agri culture. I wonder HOW they survived all the millions of years.

Geez. Educate yourself a bit.

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>>737192345
Thats exactly what he said you dumb cunt

>>737195950
Or the need to cull deer populations because the meer existence of humans interrupts their ecosystem, and not doing so could vastly unbalance whats left, cause massive booms in population and lead to a widespread of disease and famine among their population, thus killing off far more than we ever would.

And if you have to kill the animal, its just a fucking insult not to at least make use of it, so the death wasn't in vain.

>>737196048
kek

>>737196071
Lol, you don't understand much about selective breeding do you?

Yes, we made them that way, but guess what, they are hear now. Unless you advocate the complete slaughter of our current domesticated livestock, or allowing them to slowly died in pain and torture until things naturalize?

If so, wow, you are fucked up.

>>737196172
here*

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>>737192345
Yes.. Sure we do..
Our canines are there to pierce the skin of fruit and veggies. Our biggest teeth are there for grinding and chewing nuts and fruits. We can move our jaw sideways. A carnivore can not.
Educate yourself a bit. Stop falling for stupid propaganda.

>>737196242
>french fries
aren't the good ones battered?
>pasta
isn't that eggs?
>popcorn
can you eat popcorn without butter?

I think it's fine as long as you're doing it properly and not killing yourself. It's the self righteous ones who try to make it into a religion that bother me. Humans are omnivores and we're supposed to eat meat. As long as you understand that and don't get on my case for being a "murderer" We're fine.

>>737196172
So it's not fucked up to shove your hand up its arse, to loosen its vagina up a bit, so you can enter the sperm cannon efficiently, and forcefully impregnate the cow? Then steal her baby after she's been pregnant for 9 months? And kill it? And take her breast milk?

Did you know cows form bonds just like human mothers, very quickly, and very strong? I don't think you do.

And what do you do to help the cows then, since you advocate for their well being? I sure HOPE that you don't pay for any products coming of them, otherwise that comment you just wrote made you the biggest of hypocrites.

>>737196172 (you)
But its less about logic for Vegans, more about virtue signalling.

The stamp their feet at how evil it all is, yet don't consider the wider repercussions if the wider population actually adopted their beliefs wholesale. Its all a bunch of virtue signalling.

>>737196338
>Did you know cows form bonds just like human mothers, very quickly, and very strong?
apparently you need to stop abstaining from using animal product based adhesives so the supposed bond can actually stick

>>737196071
>Who we kill anyway,
This is bullshit. baby cows are sold to other farms

>>737196298
What? Battered french fries? That sounds disgusting. Nope!
Pasta is not eggs, no, it's just wheat and water. Unless you want egg-pasta, but that's a specific kind.
Popcorn can easily be eaten without butter, besides, butter seasoning in movie theaters are just oil with flavours. No butter in there!

Well, there's no reasoning with /b/ as usual. Bunch of inbred cellar-dwellers. You should go read some studies. Watch "What the Health", "Cowspiracy", "Earthlings", and read "How not to Die". It's a good start. Then you can tackle "The Chinese Study". Listen in on Dr. Neal Barnard, and if you dare, John McDougall (but he's a bit extreme at calling people out). Listen to Dr. Melanie Joy. Then you can come back and try to argue. Because at the moment, you're all just ignorant and uneducated.

Good luck !

>>737194758
>perfect explains why humans eat meat
>fails biology test

This is why people hate common core

>>737185906
Veganism is a fucking meme.
You're not saving the planet.
You're not saving animals either.
You're falling for the marketing bullshit playing on your good conscience

Humans are omnivores.
Humans wouldn't be humans if they didn't eat meat.
It actually made us develop cognitive abilities.

Organism is all fine and dandy until parents force it on their kids.
Or sometimes, pet owners force it on their dog/cat and kills them in the process.

Eat what you want, but don't make it your whole personality.
Stop trying to meme others into doing so.

Also, in case you didn't know, about 90% of people who start their vegan diet end up going back to meat.

A "meat craving", happens for a Fucking reason.

Also, if you want to kill yourself, cleaning the gene pool from your idiocy, be my guest.

>>737196338
Doctors shove their fingers and even cameras up butthole all the time to check the health of their patients. Sperm injectors allow for assuring pregnancy, and once again allow for selective breeding more easily.

Many calfs are allowed to stay with their parents especially when they are milk cows.

The are both good and bad practices when dealing with livestock. And it seems like you have painted a dark picture of only the bad practices, and applied it to all of it.

You call me the hypocrite, but instead of answering the question of how your adoption of you own beliefs would/wouldn't harm our current livestock population, you tried to sidestep it and attack my character.

Sounds like a little part of you may have realized you are the hypocrite, instead.

>>737195212
>many of these comics ask that meat eaters respect the choice of not eating meat and demonize meat eaters in these comics
>then in another comic it states that vegans wont respect the choice of someone else eating meat and then demonizes them again
>then when you look closely the clothes they are wearing ex. the leather on the edgy guy with the gun, is made of animal products yet noone complains
>another one shows a child failing a biology test when they state that humans are a species of omnivores, which isnt wrong
>abuses gory pictures of dead animals to create an emotional appeal, disrespecting said dead animal

>>737194771
Vegans hate jews

Good to know

>>737196338
you dodged the question kek

>>737196485
>What? Battered french fries? That sounds disgusting.
hell no, beer battered fries are amazing
but there's no eggs involved

what's a movie theater?

>>737185906
I have no problem with veganism. Not my choice, but sure. Go ahead. I'm fairly conscious about meat. I make sure it's all biological and I don't eat huge chunks every day. It's obnoxious vegans that are insufferable though.

>>737196387
>the wider repercussions if the wider population actually adopted their beliefs
Which are?

>>737194803
When did he say he wanted to fuck his bacon?

>>737185906
Indifferent.

>>737185906
I always approve of people on a hunger strike

>>737196689
You're thinking about small farms? You do realize the big industries make up around 99% of the meat everyone buys, right? Don't try to trick yourself.

A lot of farmers are giving away their cows to a sanctuaries, and there are TONS of rehab-centers for animals. Cows are needed for grassy fields, but they do no good standing around in a cage. The supply for food for the beef industry is what is causing the deforestation of the rain forests. 16-17 pounds of greens goes into 1 pound of beef. Do the math.

Yes, you're the hypocrite, since I'm sure you're still funding the things, while trying to call me out. Which is just pathetic.

>>737194885
>hey, want to suck on this popsicle?
>doesn't have a stick, I'll hold it for you
>never mind why my fly is open

>>737196206
we're not herbivores, we're not carnivores, we're fucking omnivores

>>737194894
I too care about both

Get me a petition I'll totally sign for all meat to be free range grass fed

>>737196862
>Cows are needed for grassy fields
what????

>>737194909
What kinda madman eats the shell and gets grossed out by pussy?

Dis nigga gay?

>>737196892
That's the biggest joke I've heard. No, we're more similar to frugivores (gorillas, big apes and such). An omnivore is a dog, or a bear. We're nowhere close to them, neither on the inside or the outside. Educate yourself.

>>737196794
1) Current livestock suffering in pain because of overproduction.
2) Since the mere presence of humans unbalances the ecosystem, not culling certain species could lead to large booms in population, which would lead to widespread famine and disease among those populations and others.

Including: Deer, Wild horse, Feral Hogs (and all species they destroy the habitat of), Feral Cats (and all species they destroy the habitat of).

You want to say humans caused all this? That is true. But to cause the problem, then just walk away from it would lead to even bigger problems. We now have to manage the effects we have caused.

And part of that involves killing certain animals. And if we kill the animals, we may as well eat them, so its less wasteful.

>>737196627
Your shirty studies have for the most part been debunked by people who actually know what they are talking about.

>Chinese study
>Cowspiracy

Go to the Wikipedia article, section "controversy", as is explained, there are claims of correlation between either "meat causes cancer" and "cow milk causes bone disease".

These are based on supposed statistic correlations, where they try to show that stats from various things coincide.

There has been no real proof brought forward.
You don't have scientific proof whatsoever, what you do have is monkeys looking at charts and finding a correlation.

Spoiler alert, you can correlate random things pretty easily.
Correlation is not proof, far from it.

Now go ask a doctor if he eats meat, and what he thinks of meat.
Or fuck off back to tumblr

>>737194950
Yea, this makes making my captain crunch in the morning a real pain in the ass

>>737196962
Maintaining the environment, and its biodiversity, cows and other mammalian creatures are important. Like eating the grass on fields, as to allow bees and butterflies to do their jobs. Also for spreading their shit while doing so. You should read up on biodiversity, and the eco system! Educate yourself

>>737196862
Actually, soy bean farms, that make all that shitty tofu vegans eat causes the deforestation of the rainforest, numbnuts.

>>737194966
Look we either invented the spear to hunt meat or humans. Either make all guns legal so I can kill my fellow man or shut up about bacon being a bad idea

>>737197000
Educate yourself. Humans eat meat. They eat meat all over the world. There has never been a civilization that has ever existed that doesn't eat animal based protein. We are not apes.

>>737197065
grazing animals are the worst things for grassy fields, they will devastate an area
it doesn't matter if they're domesticated or wild, this is a problem africa has had to deal with for thousands of years and part of the reason it's so shit there

get a real education

>>737194980
Hitler didn't torture the jews in a classical sense.

Wanna go that route the usa tortured millions of jap citizens in the 40s

>>737197016
Of course there's controversy, the meat industry doesn't want to be called out. There's so MUCH money into covering up all the shit that comes with it. Please do tell me what I should read that supports your arguments (and make sure you check the sponsors, that's the biggest important thing when you cite sources!)

HAHA, I love that you told me to ask a doctor, as if they would know anything. You don't even know the difference between the knowledge of a doctor and a nutritionist, that just proves your low-level IQ. A doctor is educated in handing out medicine to combat the symptoms, not the cause. Idiot. Educate yourself.

>>737194997
This one is full of contradiction

>>737197000
>>737197065

Nice trips. Though the repeated usage of
>Educate yourself.

suggests that you have begun to lose you footing, now that you are being challenged, and have resulted to trolling tactics. I believe you are trying to channel a tumblrina at this point.

>>737197163
The reason Africa has a problem is that some areas of it are the driest on the fucking planet. Most places that grow abundant amounts of grass have no problem providing for livestock.

>>737195052
Never said animals were evil, said they were tasty.

That's why they deserve to die

>>737191368
whats your point? the fucking cows are farting our climate to pieces. repacing pasture for other plants would be a good thing.

>>737197148
Apparantly you've not been following the news. Check on the latest findings in neanderthals. Educate yourself.
>>737197074
Over 80% of the soy produce goes into livestock. Get a grip man, don't assume things. Educate yourself.
>>737197163
Apparantly you don't know much about how it works. I suggest you reading up a bit about it before making these claims. Educate yourself.

>>737197261
>livestock
not the issue in africa's case

>The reason Africa has a problem is that some areas of it are the driest on the fucking planet
GEEE IF ONLY THEY HAD SOME PLANT LIFE TO HOLD IN THE FUCKING MOISTURE

>>737195914
no steak tastes bad, u mofo liars

>>737195488
>calls out appeal to nature
>"You're a retard"
wew

>>737197308
>Apparantly you don't know much about how it works.
apparently you don't know ANY about how it works
i suggest remedial education

>>737195817
Humans are omnivores and as such, no argument will ever be good enough to not eat meat. It's only your choice, so stop being a cunt.

>>737197237
>>737197308
Damn, I think you are right.

Also, even if the 80% soy thing were true. If you ate soy as a vegan, you'd still be contributiing to the market and deforestation. Once again making you just a virtue-signalling hypocrite.

>>737192420
Dude yes. How do you upvote this?

>>737195476
I'd eat any fucking meat as long as it's not useful

My cat catches bugs and mice
Dog catches burglars
I've eaten horse, pretty good
Hell, cook up all animals besides dogs and cats

Show me a pig that does something besides shit and fuck all day and I'll rethink cooking them

>>737197237
Thanks! The repeated use of it is because I truly wish for people to actually educate themselves. This thread just goes to show that there are so many assumptions, and comments without facts that backs them.
I've not nearly lost my footing, you guys are actually strengthening it by making these clueless comments. If you think it's a trolling tactic, it's because you finally get told of by someone who knows their shit, and you don't agree with it. But you can't disagree with facts.

I know it's challenging when someone throws your beliefs around, but you've got to understand that Carnism is all about inducing a 'mist' of confusion in the consumers. We've been taught that its' okay to discriminate, and that it's okay to eat unhealthy foods. Think about it, the most unhealthy food on the planet is the one that gets commercialized like fuck.

That just goes to show how well invested they are.

>>737185906
cows are vegans and they taste good, so i think i like vegans.

>>737197308
We're not neanderthals though. Neanderthals are extinct. We may share some portion of DNA but that doesn't alter what we are. So tell me about any Homo Sapien culture that has existed without eating animal based protein. Take your time. I'm waiting.

>>737197315
Plants don't grow without rain. So unless you're planning on terraforming Africa, there's really not much you can do but work with what you've got.

>>737197509
> Think about it, the most unhealthy food on the planet is the one that gets commercialized like fuck.
yeah corn and soy are fucking everywhere, christ

>>737195646
Glad we are in agreement on being misogynistic

>>737197426
But you're not a cat, or a dog... What??

Would you do the killing yourself though?
For real, would you hunt down a scared pig, and slit its throat, drain it of its blood, cut open its dead corpse, and cook it as to not get sick?
Or would you rather, pick that apple, and bite into it?

>>737197569
Fucking this.

Corn is so crazy they literally need to smuggle it into food, drinks, and car fuel that doesn't need it.

>>737197643
>>737197660
>>737197677
The question isn't where you get your protein, it's where you get your B vitamins.

>>737197426
https://youtu.be/hTrAPGj8xxI?t=33
pigs can be bros
but yeah for the most part I agree.
humans are the apex predators. we're the keepers of this world. some life is more valuable than others because simple physics.
more energy requirements = more power
It's why we walk on grass.

>>737197682
You know we have hunters, right?
That's a thing. And they aren't the squeemish sort. And guess what: 80% of all the funding for all U.S. conservation comes from hunters. They do more for the planet than your ass ever has.

So suck it.

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>>737197677
>100 Kcal of Broccoli is like half kilo of it
>100 Kcal of Beef is less than 100gr

>>737197751
The same way meat eater does. Through supplements.
If you're thinking about B12 that is.
It's found in soil. B12 is gut bacteria.

We used to get this by drinking water from the woods, or eat dirty foods, and we didn't use to power-wash our veggies or wash our hands after taking a shit. Because we make our own B12, but it's made after the absorption from our intestines.

It's injected in meat, as to provide the consumer with the nutrients they need. You can also find B12 in soy milk, oat drinks, coconut drinks, etc etc. I'd rather take a pill of B12, than filter it through someone elses body.

>>737197555
i refuse to believe that that you're so far out of the loop that you don't understand the conditions of why rain "comes out of" clouds

were you homeschooled?
educate yourself

>>737197801
Wow neat, good one, you get that from David AvocAdo Wolf? Go back to facebook you fucking faggot.

>>737197801
>posts an image
>basically a thumbnail
Looks like vegans can't even post properly. Probably can't scroll down the full picture to post it due to lack of energy from malnutrition.

>>737197840
there's no tears there, it's the eyeball melting, the cow is half cooked, look at the color

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>>737197831
>And guess what: 80% of all the funding for all U.S. conservation comes from hunters.
This.

>mfw trump gave the first 1/4 of his salary to national parks
>mfw vegans hate trump
>mfw vegans give none of their salary to national parks

>>737197000
There are thousands of videos of apes and chimps eating other chimps and apes

By your logic if I can kill you I can eat you. Meet me in thunderdome

>>737197930
Yah, there's this thing in nature called levels of energy.

Part of the reason we get more energy from animals higher up the food chain is because they east massive amounts of lower things and store it.

The amount of plant matter you would have to eat to get the same energy as a piece of steak would make you vomit.

>>737198040
lol this is shittier propaganda than CTR shills

>>737198060
>FASCISM
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>>737197961
Would you like to look at the annual rainfall of Africa? I mean it's not hard to see the reason that the Sahara desert doesn't have plants. It's because it doesn't rain there. You can't just put plants there and say "Hey it's fixed!" So maybe you might want to educate yourself you fucking idiot.

>>737196206
i have much bigger fangs then the guy in the pic
also cooking is part of the natural human eating processs

>>737198166
They're vegans, breh.
Education not required. Just emotionalism.

>>737197954
Vitamin E comes from soybeans, thus deforestation.
Vitamin D supplements are derived from fish, thus animal product.
Gelatin is derived from beef protein, and is commonly used in many supplements.

>>737197682
I am a hunter, I do those things

I snapped a deers neck last season. Didn't have to but I wanted to win a bet

>>737198218
You are correct about that ! Cooking actually is the reason behind our brain growth (that and us wandering out to new climates). We can get get about 20 times more out of starchy foods when we cook them! And there's this thing in our saliva which is made to break down starches. So starchy food is super important to us. We're actually starchivores the experts say.
There's this guy called John McDougall, he's talking a lot about starches, and he's also mentioning the importance of it in past civilisation growth. Very interesting!

>>737185906
My neighbors became vegan years ago and that's fine. But then they adopted two kids and the kids were having issues because of the lack of protein in their diet.
They had to go on all kinds of vitamins too.

It's fine as a personal choice but don't fuck somebody else up.
Don't make kids live like that unless your sure you can provide everything they need!

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Reminder

Vegans taste good.

>>737185906
better than being a christian, muslim or statist.

>>737198304
>>737198273
>>737198220
>>737198259
>>737198084
>>737198109
How Vegans think the world sees them.

>>737198343
How vegans are actually seen by the world.

>>737198172
>>737198198
>>737198220
>>737198259
>>737198273
>>737198304

So the vegan has gone from being unchallenged, to repetitive trolling/denialism ("Educate Yourself"), and has finally progressed to spamming.

The board equivalent of "lalalalala, I can't hear you!"

>>737198455
All three of those groups of people have more sex than you.

>>737197954
Well a meat eater doesn't need to get it through supplements. You get it from eating animals. As a human being living strictly off of food in a survival situation you can do it on an omnivorous diet, as we have done for thousands of years. A vegan diet would just kill you. The only way a Vegan diet can work is in modern society is with supplementation.

That's all fine and good and a choice people can make freely. But saying it's the natural diet for a human is just completely false.

>>737198276
Vitamin E comes from ; Almonds, seeds, chards, mustard greens, spinach, turnip, kale, hazlenuts, avocado, brococli, etc etc.

Vitamin D comes from the sun, but you can also find it in animal products through fortification. But that's also used in stuff like orange juice, and plant milks.
You get most Vitamin D from the sun, the best way would be to run naked in the summer with your arms lifted up, since the best uptake comes through your armpits. But we don't do that anymore, and we like wearing clothes.
Mushrooms however, exposed to light, takes up Vitamin D !

How the hell did you even mention gelatin? That's usually boiled pig corpse. If you're thinking about pills, then you're an idiot if you buy supplements with a gelatin casing, when there are others with no animal byproducts.

>>737198537
His father and mother wanted grandchildren to spoil and take to the park and buy ice cream for, one day.

This is what they got.

>>737198580
This

Do a vegan paleo diet. Get back to me from icu

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>>737198495
Newfag or next level?

>>737198611
>Almonds, seeds, chards, mustard greens, spinach, turnip, kale, hazlenuts, avocado, brococli, etc etc.
In incredibly small amounts. Micrograms, or less.

>Mushrooms however, exposed to light, takes up Vitamin D !
Ditto.

>>737198611
>Get most vitamin d from the sun

So fucking wrong. This would result in skin cancer unless you were the niggerest of people

>>737198495
I am the "Educate yourself" person, don't bunk me up with the spammer of pictures. However, I do appreciate them, because they're correct. If you think they look fucked up, it's probably because you havn't thought about it before.
But don't confuse us with eachother.

And the reason I say "educate yourself" is because I truly wish for people to do so, to get a sense of awareness. Because all I see here is ignorance.
>>737198580
I think you should read up on how the B12 works. Since animals are no longer in the wild, eating shitty food and drinking dirty water, they don't get B12 either. Over 90% of the worlds supplement of B12 goes into livestock, because they're fed soy and other products. So you either take the supplement yourself, or you get it filtered through someone elses body.

>>737198720
You know you only need about 15 minutes of sun exposure on your skin to make enough vitamin D for a day right?

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>that feel whilst fourteen-eighty-eightethicalveganaryanmasterrace t-b-h

>>737197954
I love the argument of things like "Ape can eat just veggies!"

>Apes spend all fucking day eating for the most part. They eat large volumes of food.
>We let other animals eat the food, then eat the animals, saves a fuck-ton of time.

B-but we can make supplements now!

>Bitch, animals are the supplements.
>If we all went to raw plant matter, there wouldn't be enough to feed everyone AND the animals.
>Animals also act as an energy storage device that lasts longer than plants, since the edible portions of plants have a more limited growth/shelf life.

Instead we choose to give the plants to the animals then eat the animals. Sure we could cut out the middle man, and just grind and boil down all those plants into a little pill, but we'd basically have to get rid of the cows, chickens, and goats entirely. Because they would serve no purpose in the system.

And unless they are part of the system, they are a drain on our total resources as a whole. Integration is require for their survival.

>>737198720
You should read up on how the activation of Vitamin D works , from our second skin layer, and how the melanin content in darker skin reduces the vitamin D uptake from the sun.

For this reason, african american and dark skinned people in northern regions often suffer from Vitamin D loss, because they're made for a sunnier environment. Us having lighter skin means we're better at absorbing it from the sun.
Educate yourself!

>>737189422
So we get to kill all animals for farming space?
GREAT JOB

>>737198939
>>737198677
What veganism actually does for the world.
>DEATH
>E
>A
>T
>H

WHY I HATE VEGANISM BUT LOVE ANIMAL RIGHTS (EPIC SLAM POETRY)

>>737198816
I don't disagree there. But I also don't eat factory farmed meat. I eat what I hunt and waste nothing or I buy grass fed beef from humane farms. I try to eat foods that come as they do naturally. I think that's really the best diet we could stick to.

>>737185906
as long as they let me enjoy my steak in peace i don't mind them eating my foods food

>>737198968
>THE SUN DOESNT GIVE YOU CANCER GAIZ
>ITS ALL NATURAL
>LIKE ARSENIC AND OSMIUM TETROXIDE AND CHROMIUM TETROXIDE AND URANIUM HEXAFLUORIDE
>LOOK AT ME IMA FUCKIN VEGAN

Your parents expected you to make something of yourself.

If God hadn't meant us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of food.

>>737198677
meta-fag

if you are asking about the poster, rather than responding to who they were posting about.

I like to just point out the general habits on the chans. People tend to stop when someone notices a pattern in their behavior. No one likes to be predictable.

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i prefer to fuck my cattle

>>737185906
Bullshit and you know it

>>737199121
You can go outside for a walk for half an hour and not die you fucking basement dwelling neckbeard.

>>737195699
So unless you run into that single guy youre fine?

>>737199131
You're really retarded you know that...

>>737199126
/thread

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>>737194980
Mfw vegans hate a vegetarian

>>737199201
>You can go outside for a walk for half an hour and not die you fucking basement dwelling neckbeard.
That DOESN'T mean you won't get cancer.

>>737199126
religion in 2017.
Also, he didn't. They're made out of the same things you and your parents are. Are your parents food? Because there are people eating humans, you know. So don't come saying "But we're humans, we don't eat eachother". Stupid argument.

>>737199121
I don't even know what to say to this stupidity.
The sun doesn't give you cancer, but if you heat yourself up too much or long enough, then you'll start develop carcinogens in your body. This is made by heating up muscles tissue and the like. Which is why burnt meat is more dangerous to eat then something that's just seared. This is also why WHO classed processed meat as a Class 1 carcinogen back in 2015, because of all the shit in it, and how many times it's been heated.
You feeling insulted by this just goes to show that I am a walking reminder of your shitty choices, and you funding the abuse of innocents.

>>737185906
I've been vegan for 12 years now. I keep to myself, people know about slaughterhouses and shit. Eating animal products is something people need to accept will always happen, the thing I try to get people to accept is that animal products don't need to make up 100% of their diet. Cut meat out once or twice a week and when you can buy from a local butcher rather than a supermarket and if you can, buy organic meat. It makes a huge difference, especially when animals are filled with chemicals so they grow faster so the meat is more available and cheaper. Better for you, the environment, your local economy/farmers and animals in the long run

>>737199126
According to Christians' own holy book, God DIDN'T want humans to eat animals, but they were too tainted and imperfect (probably because God's a failure of he was unable to make them in such a way that they'd do as he said) to abide that natural law he laid out for them. Eve gets corrupted by Satan, corrupts Adam, then God enters autistic mode and forever fucks over all humans for the mistake of two, eventually telling them that they can eat whatever the fuck they want like the fuck ups that they are that he created them to be because he's sadistic or imperfect himself.

>>737199241
perhaps...but this is /b/ afterall. It's kin of standard here.

However, perhaps you could be more specific? Do you just dislike the behavior, preferring not to be analyzed? Maybe you feel its kind of like arm-chair psychology? Or mayhaps you feel that I misread the pattern?

>>737185906
I can't even vegan to explain my disgust.

>>737195699
>Patrik Baboumian
Except my friend at a gym in the middle of fucking Brookyln deadlifts more than him.
SLDL no straps or belt he does 815 lbs. And he doesn't even compete, he just gets swole because that's what he chooses to do with his free time.

>>737199420
Sadly, many are broke, and can only afford shit.

A lot of people eat fast food not by choice, but because they can eat for under $5 in less than 10 minutes, so they can get back to work.

>>737199436
>Christians are supposed to be vegan
LOL