If a straight woman decides to come out as a transgender, and

Candidate for a straightjacket

>>737066100
she, like all the other transgender snowflakes, is mentally ill.

>>737066359
Narrowminded biggot detected.

>>737066100
It is clear evidence of the decline of rational thought.

>>737066100
Said former woman is now a man who is attracted to men. So homosexual

>>737066669
Please don't call me that. I hurt so easily...idiot

BTW it's bigot

>>737066922
You're literally wrong. And your humor is subjective as fuck. Not based.

>>737066758
How? You must address psychiatry and sexuality before claiming that transgenders need to be institutionalized on the basis of their sexuality.

>>737067025
And we all know how subjective fuck is.

>>737066100
no, she becomes a mutilated monster

>>737066100
homosexual but no gay guy would fuck him either way unless they had a fetish

you should call trans people the gender they want, they have enough to suffer already, but the truth is nobody wants to fuck them unless they have a fetish

He would be a transgender man. It is offensive to say that their apparent sex is their "true" gender because it's how they look/sound. To answer the question, he would be a homosexual or bisexual male. Pansexuality has been explained to me as a sexual attraction based on soul and personality. I am a fairly open, respectful, and informed person, and I still haven't grasped the difference between bisexuality and pansexuality.

>>737067044
pretty sure the whole concept of switching a gender is based on either their personal sexual fetish, or it comes from a desire for the opportunity to be put on a pedestal and/or be treated as a victim, and the resulting gratification of being treated as the victim and the emotional reinforcement gained from the justification for switching their gender in the first place.
these people are sociopaths.

>>737067476
I bet trans college students are getting laid more than you

>>737067582
Because they are a fetish. Lust only. Then regrettable after.

>>737067492
Want to date on Skype?

>>737067525
This doesn't make sense. You claim that trans people are unfit to be a part of society and should be locked away, then offer weak assumptions about their motives as the primary reinforcement of your point.

>>737067952
No thank you, but I'm happy to continue speaking here. What did you want to talk about?

>>737067582
not at all
im gay, 5 min on grindr and anyone can get laid

>>737067582
they are a fotm kinda thing. a phase. once they get older and their body fucking sucks, they will have huge regrets and nobody will touch them.

>>737067961
>You claim that trans people are unfit to be a part of society and should be locked away

when did i make any of these claims?

>>737066100
Then it's a circus freak that should only breed with other circus freaks

Homosexual.

And for what its worth, Pansexual and Bisexual are the same thing. Its when you are attracted to people regardless of their gender. Some people prefer the "Pan" version over the "Bi" version because, grammatically, its more in line with the current understand that gender is a spectrum. Its just like the difference between Gay and Homosexual.

>>737067525
>is based on either their personal sexual fetish, or it comes from a desire for the opportunity to be put on a pedestal and/or be treated as a victim
>using hard words makes my opinion sound like it came from someone that knows what he's talking about

you have no clue retard
omg you are actually retarded, you are hating on the wrong people
its ok to not like feminists, some of them deserve it, but being a tranny is literally a fucking curse and nobody likes having dysphoria
sex is a big thing because nothing is more related to gender than fucking, there are people with shemale fetishes and its called AGP and its different from trannies

literally autistic

>>737068119
It is important for young people struggling with sexuality to have adequate information and support. It's entirely possible that older trans people regret transitioning, but that seems like information that is currently available through the trans community. It's not fair to make assumptions about how trans people's self-worth works, or that it works the same for all of them. To my understanding, part of being trans is that sex acts that go against their gender identity feel as dysphoric and repulsive as homosexual acts would feel to a heterosexual.

>>737067492
Ones post-modernist bullshit with a bit of sluttiness and elitism, the other just means you have homo- and heterosexual tendencies. "Pansexuals" are bisexual attention whores who can't/won't maintain a stable romantic relationship, self-label themselves before ranting about labels, and want patted on the back for doing what a lot of people already do without telling friends, coworkers, etc

>>737068458
>gender is a spectrum
Color is a spectrum. Whatever retarded shit someone makes up in their mind from one day to the other isn't, it's just attention whoring

>>737066669
Lol gtfo.

>>737068247
>>737067044
>>737067525
I stated that psychiatry and sexuality must be addressed before proposing institutionalization. You replied that they are sociopaths, and did not deny my claim that you were taking an unjustly hardline stance. To be fair, I think I lumped you in with the "straightjacket candidate" poster. My b.

>>737069298
>there are no manly women or girly men
spectrum is a meme anon but that is what they mean
everything besides people can be less or more X gender is made up, they are using the spectrum shit to base their bullshit wich literally falls nowhere in the spectrum

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>>737068870
fair call with my over generalisations.
however, the waning self worth with age comes from the same place that everyone experiences as they get older (no longer young and attractive; they will blame being transgender), and it also comes from the loss of being a unique snowflake that came from a time when it was new and popular (like a trend) which was the whole reason i believe they transitioned in the first place. or something.
at least in my opinion.

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Trannies are degenerate

>>737070156
Not really. Do you think medical professionals and surgeons would be in on it if it wasn't socially acceptable or moral?

Nice meme

>>737067492
In other words, it's made up shit that changes based on the person's fantasy(delusion)

Snowflakes are special because they can't grasp "just because you say it or believe it, doesn't make it true".

So if they call themselves "pansexual" and they define it a certain way then to then that's the"truth"

>>737066669
Lmao

>>737070239
socially acceptable? sure, if you pressure people enough to go along with it.
morally acceptable? tell me, what is the purpose of altering one's body to APPEAR like the opposite gender, if not to feed their desires to fit in which stems from their incapability to accept themselves for who/what they are, and in turn force others to accept who they'd rather be?

the general consensus here seems to be that the idea of switching gender is a problem in the mind, and not a solution.

>>737069814
Not all trans people think of themselves as snowflakes. They just want to lead a happy, fulfilled life. Something they cant do with what they go through if its left untreated.

>>737070156
LGBT are degenerates

its all because of straight women, there are plenty male degenerates

>>737070654
nobody who is a snowflake thinks they are a snowflake. they sure as fuck act like it though.
of course, there are always exceptions, but i stand by my hypothesis that people who switch gender are doing it for self gratification in the eyes of others because it is 'trendy', and currently seen as an acceptable choice for their sexual kinks or desire to be someone else (to fit in).

>>737066100
aint cis-male, otherwise i think technically he would then be homosexual

>>737070956
to add to this, i am suggesting that it takes a very specific type of person to undergo a gender change. this type of person could also be, in my opinion, essentially an attention seeker (im sure theres a medical term for it).
note: the aforementioned label of sociopath was the wrong one.

>>737069814
Okay, I see what you're saying. Aging brings existential crises, and people will blame their regret and panic and unhappiness on decisions they've made and things that have happened to them. However, I would imagine that by the time people are old their liberal trendiness has gone away. It doesn't take long in the working world to figure out that you're an average joe or jane. My main concern with this is that people don't take the concept of gender identity seriously. The rift caused by harsh reactions to the "coming out" of America's trans community is very harmful. Mainstream people are out there talking down to trans people in general as if they are mentally ill degenerates incapable of rational thought or moral behavior. If everyone had more existential shame, I think that the world would be a better place because we would hesitate to criticize people on a superficial basis.

>>737066100
I don't fucking know, man. Who can keep track of this bullshit? You ask 'em, and every month they'd give you a different answer.

I'm getting too old for this shit.

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Y'all summerfags need jesus, ripping your dicks out and injecting your labias with testosterone, absolute degeneracy. It's only legal and socially acceptable because the jews like watching our civilization burn

>>737071391
I would hope that they look out for this in medical/psychological meetings with people considering reassignment. However, the medical field doesn't have a great record with this. For years, doctors would cut the phalluses off of babies who were born intersex simply and explicitly for the purpose of fitting them into the gender dichotomy. It's the saddest fucking thing.

>>737071439
i believe some of the talk that they are mentally ill is correct, when taken seriously. there are always bigots who take it too far though with their hate and intolerance.
transgender people, before and after, are still regular people. but also like regular people, they can be crazy. it's easy to label them as crazy because the whole idea of altering one's self physically on such a level that is clearly coming from more than just a feeling of being in the wrong body/wrong gender, IS crazy.

>>737071941
that's pretty fucked up.

>>737070956
ill agree with you in part. Like theres a big influx of people who have decided to do the whole trans thing, but there are legit people out there behind all that. I'm not talking about the people who want to be called "they" and shit, just like honest, good people, trying to make best of a shitty situation theyve been dealt. And aside from all these trendy tag alongs, its nobody's business what those people need to do to function. There ar ereal trans people who are able to live a more normal life than someone with, like, anxiety for example.

Just because theres a few loud assholes making it into some glorified bullshit doesnt mean thats the whole population of trans people.

But trans people cant call them out because they think that it will be turned around to invalid the real cases of haing gender dysphoria.

Nothing that anyone says will change the fact that 99% of births end up in either a male or a female infant, abnormalities with reproductive organs are just that, abnormalities. The natural order of things has not changed, nor will it for any confused human emotions.

Having a sex change doesn't alter the fact that you are a girl/guy that has chosen to undergo such alterations, though those alterations do not suddenly change who you really are, which is what you were born as. You can believe that you are something different, but you cannot deny the scientific fact that you were born as either a MALE or a FEMALE. That is the way you were meant to be, any mental inclination to reject that is ABNORMAL, though it may seem natural to you, it is not the natural way of things.

>>737071391
Someone who is really trans and wants to transition is typically not in it for attention and they want to be as discrete as possible.

>>737071941
Yeah thats a big shitty part of being born intersex. Like they need to let the kid grow up and let them figure out which is the dominant gender in that person.

>>737072304
that would be respectable. there's no real need to announce it to the world. although keeping it secret is hard to do with the ridiculous amount of social media and people who can't handle not telling everybody everything.

>>737071953
I agree that there should be a mental health aspect to this discussion, both for the betterment of the trans community and the communities outside of it. I'm still not getting the argument that people get reassignment surgery because it's trendy. Currently, I think people who undergo that surgery do it because they can't be happy any other way. It's more than just a feeling a to them. Isn't sexuality (or lack thereof) a central part of all our identities?
To the crazy, sjw, trendy side of things, I am very skeptical of the fifty gender spectrum and how teenagers are deciding which end of it they want to be on every week by throwing darts at it. Transgender people seem to be pretty up front and clear about their gender identity, so this spectrum stuff is another issue to me.

>>737066525
Underrated post.

>>737072681
Yeah like honestly, theres a really big shitty pressure on us to be visible. No. Fuck that. Why cant it be normal to not want to tell everyone about it? Like the only person who needs to know is myself and partner. Like you cant not tell the person you love that you used to have a dick.

>>737066100

"He" becomes transgendered. It's understood that "he" is gay. You don't have to qualify it.

>>737066669
Triggered cucks are best cucks

>>737067492

Bisexual means they'll fuck someone of either sex.

Pansexual means they're sexually indiscriminate, i.e. sluts.

>>737072982
im sure it's a lot more complex than just wanting to tell someone something about yourself; it could have a massive effect. i don't really know how anyone could handle the situation of telling or not telling if it arises.

>>737072182
No one is asking you to remain sexually attracted to post-op trans men or become attracted to post-op trans women. You did not prove that sex is the same as gender. It seems that you are frustrated with the existence of trans people. If I were you, I would study the legitimacy of reassignment surgery and advocate for the study of gender dsyphoria in multiple scientific fields.

>>737066100
the black and white answer:

it's based on the gender that person assumes.

if they believe they are female, and they are attracted to females, then they are a lesbian... same goes the other way.

however... when you get into transgender/transitioning, studies show that gender fluidity is more common in this group than any other, as well as a dislike in labels on sexuality and sexual attraction.

protip:
>>737066758
>>737067474
>>737068320
>>737066525

this type of thought was rampant in 1980's... that homosexuals were mentally ill or possessed by the devil and could be retaught to be "normal". these people can go fuck themselves.

She is still a woman.
The legal definition of gender is biology.
You can say what you want,
but she is legally female.

>>737073980
also:

>>737066758
>>737067474
>>737068320
>>737066525

these same people are most likely attracted to traps, but won't admit it publicly.

fucking cowards.

>>737074092
He's a man after all of that though

>>737068672
haha you know whats funny? this post was auto filtered out, and im pretty sure its because youre a faggot.
but no, really, there are people who see switching gender as a way to gain sympathy by taking on an underdog role and spotlighting themselves.

>>737074092
but you can't legally define sexual attraction, which is the other part of OP's question.

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>>737066525
>>737072913
we love you /pol/

>>737071791
This

>>737066100
if he's a dude now who likes dudes then they are a homo! hope this helps

>>737072705
There is male and female. Some are born male, while really being female. And some are born female while really being male. No more, no less.

/thread

>>737074183
>this post was auto filtered out, and im pretty sure its because youre a faggot.

yes. a website determined a users sexuality, and filtered the post.

take off the tinfoil hat.

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>>737074120
mah nigga

>>737074183
>there are people who see switching gender as a way to gain sympathy by taking on an underdog role and spotlighting themselves
yeah and you can tell miles away
that doesnt mean they are a majority of any kind

>and im pretty sure its because youre a faggot
what does that have to do with it being filtered out tho
im gay, I dont like trans people becuase ftm are dumb and mtf are unsufferable
I dont geniuenly believe that 100% but trans people are icky

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>>737074456
yer unsuff'rable

>>737066100
just a fucking weirdo whos strait

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Rate my trans gf

10 months on hormones

>>737074584
fuck me, insufferable
what can I say, im retarded

>>737073980
as the poster of >>737066525: with time comes understanding, so sure, eventually swapping genders will be seen as acceptable, but not really in it's current form of mutilation.
if people could just reassign themselves on a molecular level, i think it would be fine. it would be great, even. but the fact of the matter is: people physically alter their body as best as they can so they can APPEAR to be the other gender, not so they ARE the other gender. that being said, a cheap knock off that looks like product A while really being product B is still product B, and that is just not acceptable from my personal point of view if i was going to switch... regardless of the type of person and all the other shit about personality.

>>737074733
do 10 months on weight watchers and post again.

>>737074701
Anon, guys who like guys are homosexual. Are you saying that liking traps isn't gay?

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>>737066100
>and transitions with testosterone to become a man

your question hinges on this. but you cannot change your chromosomes. she will always be a she.

>>737074456
i was just calling you a faggot because this is 4chan, not because of your sexuality : /
i really dont care who you fuck.

>>737074914
dont apologize faggot
eh, I cringed a little

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>>737066100

No it's the guy that fucks her that is gay.

>>737066100
They're just dumbass words for this dumb human monkey species. People get their fuck on how they want.

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>>737074791
She's not fat..

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>>737074784
>people physically alter their body as best as they can so they can APPEAR to be the other gender, not so they ARE the other gender.

incorrect. that's transvestite, not transgender. trans go thru the surgery to become the gender they believe they should be.

and stop using the term mutilation. that's incorrect in this situation.

>>737074733
so it's technically a trap then or they had sex reassignment?

>>737074914
mai nigger.

>>737075235
Woah, dog. Why do you have to go around throwing the N bomb around? We didn't do nothing to provoke this. We are on your side!

>>737066100
to give you a legit answer:

sexuality is independent from gender.
who you are attracted to has no bearing on what gender you are.

its just that terms we as a society have come up with to discuss attraction are anchored to the initial gender of the person.

if the person decides to change genders, they then adopt all the aspects of the gender including the default sexual attractions.
so yes they'd be a transgender homosexual.

to give you my answer:

go to a fucking psychiatrist you fucked up headcase

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>>737066100
>a straight woman
>does he
>Or is he

>>737075186
does she know you're posting these?

>>737075191
but they don't really become the gender, it's just sexual reassignment because there are no reproduction abilities with the reassignment.

mutilation would technically be correct if the person's opinion is that this surgery should never occur, just because a doctor does it does not mean people cannot call it mutilation.

When you deprive the thigh of both skin and tissue to make a fake penis, that is technically mutilation of the thigh.

>>737075627
It's surgery. It's fucking different. Just because something makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean it isn't legitimate. And are you seriously making the tired argument that reproduction abilities are the single defining factor of gender identity?

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Is this what 4chan as come to? Guys, we have done monumental things. The world talks about us. Fuck these mentaly retarded plebbit fags. They knew the truth was here

>>737075780
You guys do realize that if the conservatives dropped the trans stuff they'd be un-fucking-STOPPABLE

>>737075627
>but they don't really become the gender, it's just sexual reassignment because there are no reproduction abilities with the reassignment.

thank you, you are correct there.

>mutilation would technically be correct if the person's opinion is that this surgery should never occur, just because a doctor does it does not mean people cannot call it mutilation.

nope.

mutilation - an injury that causes disfigurement or that deprives you of a limb or other important body part.

if a dude is transitioning to chick, the cock is not an important body part.

>>737075592
No, why?

>>737075591
Who the fuck is Iron Felix?

>>737075770

noice.

>>737075770
Cut a sausage in half after it is taken off the grill, is it now a hotdog, or is it still a sausage?

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>>737066100
All transgendered "people" are latent homosexuals with a HUGE amount of guilt and shame...this is the REAL reason that they transition into the opposite sex, so that their homosexuality is to be seen as heterosexuality.

And they are ALL Catholics.

>>737075627
>>737076103
you guys are getting confused between the biological gender and social gender construct.

biological gender cant be changed.

surgery is merely bringing external appearences in line with the patient's percieved social gender.


and no, im not for this, but as part of my education I was forcefed PC shit.

I personally believe that a good backbone of society is the basic family unit, as nature intended.
therefore, people who identify as different genders should go to camps to learn their proper gender identity. as a generation raised by liberals, we lack good male role models. some of that is to blame for the rampant homosexuality/trans epidemic. they need re-education, not approval imo.

of course i cant ever say the above. EVER. irl.

>>737076264
it's a half of a sausage, and nowhere near a hotdog since it's a different process and different meats.

are you retarded?

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I answer c, she is a hectic

>>737075780
>Is this what 4chan as come to?
It's always been gay, OP has always been a fag, for years man.
>Guys, we have done monumental things.
Trolled and doxozzled some nigs fir lulz, bout it.
>The world talks about us.
FOX, CNN & Reddit are the world all of a sudden.
>Fuck these mentaly retarded plebbit fags. They knew the truth was here
That traps aren't gay? That getting head from a woman is straight? We already know the truth.

>>737066100
She is a woman that has made physical her mental illness instead if treating it.

>>737076425
>of course i cant ever say the above. EVER. irl.

why not? if it's what you believe, you should shout it from the roof tops.

you a fucking pussy?

>>737076460
If a man is born a man, he can not be modified into a woman. Do you see what I'm saying? Sausages are sausages but hotdogs aren't sausages.

Don't forget it.

>>737076621
What a dark, rude opinion.

Let me guess, you don't like black people, huh?

>>737075191
>incorrect. that's transvestite, not transgender. trans go thru the surgery to become the gender they believe they should be.

and yet that pretty perfectly fits the description of:
>people physically alter their body as best as they can so they can APPEAR to be the other gender, not so they ARE the other gender.

>>737076676
>If a man is born a man, he can not be modified into a woman.

there are plenty of men walking this earth that were "modified" to be women.

you.... you need to stop.

>>737076623
why should I have to say it in real life? a trap have me a blowjob and I came two times. not like family or coworkers will ever know that. It was a girl so it's cool. socially of course.

>>737076623
no.
because im gonna be a doctor in 7 months.
gotta be PC all the time or else i'll be out of a job.

my opinions are mine and mine alone.
im wise enough to recognize the changes in society, and instead of rebelling against it, i'm positioning myself to take advantage of it.

but its alright. the world will swing back to a more conservative outlook in time.

>>737076825
those are both of my quotes explaining how changing looks is not the same as changing sexual identity.

wtf is wrong with you?

>>737077001
Can you provide surgery for my niece?
She should have..
Been A Son

Heres a better question:
If a bundle of sticks is called a faggot, then what is a single stick called?

>>737066100
Dated a girl that transitioned, she, well he if I'm being "proper", liked strictly men, hated anything feminine, and considered himself 100% gay. Take that for what you will.

>>737077001
>because im gonna be a doctor in 7 months.

sure sure.