Hmm, really makes you think

this is what happens when people who have no idea how economics work(or are dumb enough to not care) influence wage laws

>>737039977
A link to the story would be nice.

>>737039977
What do sandwich artists have to do with this?

>>737039977
>doesn't link to story

top reporting.

>>737039977
You know it's very credible because they put "very credible" in the headline.

I like how the Washington Post is shit until it says something that you like.

>>737040474
>sandwich artist
LIBERAL DETECTED

>more right-wing propaganda

Eat shit

>>737040622
washington post is considerably left leaning tho

>>737039977
>very credible is in quotes
>Bad news for dems, not people?
>according to a source

Does anyone even know what "trying" means anymore?

>>737039977
Makes me think you're a faggot

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>He called the work "very credible"
>The study [...] has not yet been peer reviewed.

Alright. Ignoring that, what did increasing the minimum wage do?

>employment overall did not change
>employers replaced low-paying jobs with high-paying jobs
>Vigdor said that restaurateurs in Seattle -- along with other employers -- responded to the minimum wage by hiring more skilled and experienced workers

Oh the humanity.

>>737040598
If you put the article aside(not credible source) it is still right in this particular case Raising minimum is fucking Washington

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>>737040622
the washington post. right wing propaganda. AHAHAHAHAHA

>>737040733
>lowpaying top highpaying
well no shit the wage got increased, wait until Cost of living matches it, kek

>>737040803
Not like I live here and know that it isn't.

Now tell me about how legal weed is fucking us up too... That's generally what's next.

>>737040685
liberals voted that shit and campaigned for it, that is what the article is saying

>>737039977

So basically, some businesses won't be able to afford a $15 minimum wage.

How is this any different from the people who literally have to decide which bill they're going to skip this month just to feed themselves because they don't make enough money to survive on the basics.

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Seems pretty boring study actually, headline doesn't match the contents.

Also - lets not pretend there is no possible middle ground between $15 and fed min wage.

>>737040919
My rent was going up 20% a year like clockwork BEFORE the minimum wage went up, dumbshit.

Wages have been stagnant for twenty fuckin years, they need to catch back up WITH the cost of living.

Buying a house used to take 3 years salary, you fucking moron.

>>737039977
Seattle's unemployment rate is 3.1% far below the national average. I think they'll survive just fine

The real story here is how the Koch billionaires of the world are managing to convince the people hoping for their crumbs that raising their wage will hurt them

sad lmao

>>737040958
>kills small business
Ok, washington's doing great bud.
Also, weed is for the unemployed and poor, so who fucking cares

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>>737041187

>>737041100
You seem to be forgetting that your importance is directly related to your net worth.

Your bills aren't worth the granite countertops in my fourth house.

>>737041143
>was never an argument
>they wanted someone who was not a career politician you twat

>>737041150
it will only get worse from here

>>737041143
>that image
>implying Hillary had at least come to rustbelts and gave them their support

>>737041100
They still won't, because now instead of making $9/hour they'll make $0 because they've lost their job.

You can't compel a business to pay a worker more than they receive in revenue and expect it to last.

Lol.
Can anyone from the USA tell me if you really have a minimum wage or not?

>>737041254
>unemployed detected

>>737041273

>has 4 houses
>shitposts on /b

Seems legit

>>737041218
I'm sitting here in Washington right now... Small businesses have been dying forever.

And having worked in them, it isn't because labor costs are too high, it's because nobody can afford to go shop at a small business.

Getting paid 7.50 an hour is why Amazon is doing so well. You want small businesses to do well? You need to put money into the community that would contribute to it so that they can afford to, you fucking blockhead.

>>737041424
That's what this entire thread is about, shitbrains.

>>737041450
I personally know a millionaire that shitposts here

>>737041187
>The real story here is how the Koch billionaires of the world are managing to convince the people hoping for their crumbs that raising their wage will hurt them
"but listen... if we pay you more, you will become poor. Vote Trump btw he's safe christmass and make america great again kthnxbai"

bingo

>>737041424
Yes and according to a colleague of mine everywhere in the world has this law, the numbers just depends.

>>737041531

His name is John and he's alpha as fuck.

>>737041385
Well fucking duh, things have been going downhill since fucking Reagan.

Things only get worse because people are making money off of it. Once we destroy the incentive to destroy humanity, things can start getting better.

>>737041450
>doesnt get narrative devices
Lurk more

>>737041493
Actual business owner here...... you are retarded

>>737040832
>>737040673
Democrat =/= left.

>>737041187
Koch's became billionaires by offering groceries at a 3% markup.

You, on the other hand, have done nothing and contributed nothing to anyone. They deserve every fucking dollar they earn and you deserve to be poor.

>>737041150

Pretty much this. Conservatards thinking if we just lick the rich people's boots hard enough they'll give us some scraps to live off of. Maybe some more tax breaks? Still no more money to the plebs? What if we vote in more people to pass legislation you wrote yourself? Still not helping...hmm...

everything will raise to match it...if a company has to increase the rate it pays employees then theres no question they pass that cost to the consumer...the only thing this will lead to is inflation the dollar will be worth less and in a few years people will bitch no one can live off 15 an hour

i mean look at the bitch fit millionaire pizza daddy threw over having to offer healthcare to his people...the companies wont foot this bill

>>737041690
most democrats are left wing, so whats your point
>inb4 NOT ALL

>>737041637
>incentive to destroy humanity
C R Y B B Y DETECTED

>>737041254

Is this even satire at this point? They're practically doing that those dumb fucking hicks.

>>737041706
Some of us aren't begging for scraps - rather than complain that some people are doing well we just went out and started our own businesses.

Meanwhile dumbfucks like yourself are trying to use government compulsion to subsidize your NEET lifestyle.

Spoilers: you'll always be a poor loser. No amount of government assistance can save you.

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>>737041693

Trickle-down has failed, miserably, totally, completely.

It turns out (duh!) that corporations didn’t use the central bank’s free money and low taxes for financiers to increase wages; they used it to fund stock buy-backs that enriched corporate managers and major shareholders.

>>737041883

Congrats. There was no element of luck in your life. You pulled yourself up by your bootstraps didn't you you little boy. I'm sure your shitty little business will always be there. Hell why can't we all just start our own business. That's super realistic.

Dumb cunt...

>>737041883
>this
Shit like this makes business ownership really hard
and then you bitch about BIG BUSINESS ruling the world,you guys are enablers

>>737041920
No shit trickle down failed. Trickle down economics isn't a real policy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZPDpk8NA-g

Congratulations: you don't understand the basic economics.

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>>737041882

I'm inclined to agree. There is some pathetic, sad worshiping of rich people going on here. Look at the way people worship Trump, a man who inherits hundreds of millions of $, without which he would be nothing.

I think some people just want to be ruled over by their perceived betters. These are the same right-wingers who usually mock & scoff at the thought of a hereditary monarchy btw.

>>737041774
I'm from Spain, the "left-right axis" (I hope this term makes sense in english) in the USA is tilt to the right compared to Europe. Your "left" is more right that some of our "right".

>>737042013
but you can, you jackass. Just because it's hard doesn't mean you can't do it. Quit being such a victim

>>737042013
Of course there wasn't luck in my life. I identified an opportunity for arbitrage and I took advantage.

Sorry you're not smart enough to participate in the free market without the government holding your hand.

>>737042083
than*
Sorry I'm high and tired.

>>737041920
don't forget dividends

The company i used to work for was bought up from bankruptcy by a billionaire

Then they ran it for a while and took out massive loans (like half the net worth of the company) and literally used it to pay out a dividend.. most of which went to that billionaire.

They said loans are so cheap why not? And tax wise it works out well for the billionaire. Truly insane

This is really the kind of thing local government should honestly take care of, I grew up in an area that saw a boom during my childhood and became super-expensive by the time I was high school age.

There was no option to, you know, get a job after high school, get an apartment, and just live... you either had parents take care of you, or you moved away.

The "moving away" part wasn't ever an option I really saw, for all I knew everywhere was like this, but I did all kinds of crazy illegal shit to make the money I needed to live, because i literally needed it to live.

And it worked great for me, I was a kid, barely had any conscience, I made tons of money all entirely at the expense of others, while contributing nothing.

At the very least, if areas become so expensive that people working entry-level jobs can't afford to live anywhere, they should have programs for shipping you off to somewhere cheaper

>>737042115
>>737042150

Being this fucking stupid. Mmmm divine right mmmm just world fallacy. Braindead conservatard FAGGOTS.

>>737042058

Uncle Tom Sowell is rolled out again to tell us in simple terms how wrong we are, yaaay.

What an absurd thing to say, that the theory doesn't exist. It was the basis for ALL of the Reagan-era tax cuts, no he didn't call it "TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS" and it is still the exact same thing.

But please send me more links of videos of various uncle tom right-wingers being interviewed by other right-wingers being paid by the Waltons and Kochs to tell us how low wages are actually good for us and we are being too uppity about this all.

>>737041143
That picture 100% sums up how I feel about retard Trump supporters. Fuck I hate those retards but liberals are even worse.

Jesus this species is a bunch of sheep and wildebeest. Mindless worthless herd animals to the slaughter.

>>737042083
we are talking in terms of american politics,sorry if there was any confusion bro

>>737041849
>>posts a valid point

Crybby fag lol I has no argument anymore cuz u used logic and facts durr

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.0400414cef3d

>>737042206
So you'd rather your company go bankrupt? You realize you're complaining that a billionaire saved your fucking job, right?

You dumb motherfucker. Taking out loans to pay dividends is common, especially since your market cap will take a much larger hit if you fail to pay it - this is why Procter & Gamble is such a valued company, they always pay a dividend every year.

>>737042350
Rural people shouldn't vote.

>>737042351
I think this is true for both the politicians (and their policies) and the voters.

>>737042293
enjoy poverty, I currently make 300 k a year and have no debt

>>737040685
American journalism is completely responsible for some of the mess we're in right now. How unabashedly biased most of the outfits are is astonishing. Left vs. Right, pro-Trump vs anti-Trump, it's pathetic. Whatever will get website clicks and hopefully sell some papers will be taken advantage of. Fake news is a buzzword, but there's some truth to it. Professional journalism seems to be directly morphing into simple, awful online ads.

>>737042474
People with IQ under 150 shouldn't vote.

Only scientists should have the right to vote.

>>737042474
Our world would be much more left-wing.

>>737041637
>>doesnt get narrative devices
>Lurk more

> it's not bullshit, it's a narrative device

>>737042414
Valid point? I was confused, it really did look like BUTTHURT to me

>>737041143
I live in cowfuck hicksville and not a single person has ever said anything to this effect. This is a shitty strawman picture.

>>737041414
implying small businesses that can't afford to pay minimum wage are going to matter in hiring 3-4 employees.

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>>737042424

A job is nothing to be grateful for, anonkun, it is the exchange of labor for money. An ostensibly equal exchange if you believe free marketeers on why we don't need unions and collective bargaining.

Are you grateful to the Wal-Mart cashier for selling you Twinkies and Ho-Ho's? Or is it just a free exchange of goods for money?

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Consider this graph.
It's a bit outdated though, it's very much the same but Japan is a bit higher, google it.

>>737042563
this too
>>737042564

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>>737042668

>I have never seen
>therefore nobody has

Good logic, you sound worldly and well-educated. Perhaps next you can tell us how Antarctica doesn't exist because you've never been there?

>>737042559
Lucky you, now you're gonna somehow relate that 100% luck of yours to some self-deluded sense of "skill" and "value" right? Instead of being thankful about your luck you will somehow relate it to your "competence" when genius Chinese slave farmers breathing in pesticides all day could have found the cure cancer.

People are feces for the most part. Prideful arrogant shit.

>>737042744
dont like it? You can leave, I am having a good time

>>737042803
Jesus christ you are fucking 16

>>737041289
>>was never an argument
>>they wanted someone who was not a career politician you twat

>run on being an unqualified billionaire that's going to purposefully fuck up everything you can get your hands on
>win

These fucking people.

>>737042803
It's good to see eloquent people in this site.
I don't agree so much on your misanthropy.

>>737042950
>unqualified
35,american born
Am I missing something?

>>737042715
Your two points aren't mutually exclusive. I can be grateful to a cashier for facilitating the free exchange of goods.

And we don't need unions. Or collective bargaining. Competition for goods drives down prices and competition for employment drives down wages - both of these are good for the consumer.

>>737041187
That is bullshit. Tons of homeless people all over the state, lots of skilled trade businesses are constantly short handed.
The traffic gets worse every year and the state is talking about making major roads into toll roads to help fund all thier bullshit.

>>737040832
Seriously. I laughed, I lost.

>>737042839
I'm spanish, we are not much better.
>dont like it? You can leave, I am having a good time
By the way, what type of argument is this? This reminds me of Trump.

>>737042803
Luck? What the fuck are you talking about, "luck?"

You're conflating luck and intelligence. I was smart enough to identify possible opportunities for profit and exploited them. There's no luck about it, it's time + skill + intelligence. Nobody handed me success, I took it myself.

>>737042949
Nope. Just lots of life experience. Rich people like to delude themselves a lot but contribute much less to the species than the average chinese farmer or slave factory worker. Especially if they work in finance. No contribution whatsoever. Useless waste of human flesh.

>>737043016
It is learned over many years.

>>737042744
>>737042839
>Socialism (socialist policies) doesn't work!!!11!!!

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>>737042839
I'm having a good time too, you insufferable twat, but I don't want to see the millions of broken, sick and unemployables forced into and dying in the street.

It's our fucking responsibility to take care of each other.

If you want to live in an African style hell hole, why don't you move your fat ass over there and live like kangs, and leave us to our picket fences and decency towards our fellow man.

>>737042803
tru dat, it's amazing what money does to a person and their ego, as if they are somehow better than everyone else.

>>737042803
Also, there is much skill and struggle in being an entrepreneur, it is all in one's mindset. Your negativity and narrow world view will forever make you bitter and unhappy

>>737042293
Kek you're so mad.

>>737042744
There's low income inequality in Sudan. Maybe you should try living in that utopia.

>>737043170
why change a country to your world view if there are people who like it the way it is

>>737042424
lmao you know nothing about stocks at all

taking out a loan to pay a dividend is ridicously stupid for everyone except for that billionaire who got his money at a lower tax rate

Bankruptcy court kept them from going out of business. Taking out billions in loans (to over build) is what sent them to bankrupcy the first time. They will go back the second time because of the loans to pay out this dividend

Like 85% of the employees make minnimum wage btw. Truly a shit company

>>737043301
I didn't become profitable until my second year (which was fast for startups). Second year's profits were $7000. Third $120k, and last year I broke the 7 figure mark.

And I did it all without the government. Shocking, isn't it?

>>737043223
Couldn't agree more with the first part.
About the second one: funny that you say this because I've known wise people that have opposite conclusions.

>>737043279
You think it is way worse than it ever will be,focus on you and your kin, others are irrelevant

>>737043301
I own my own business but I'm not self-deluded enough to call it skill when it was 100% luck. I only hate rich people who do that, which they always do.

Life is a bitter experience. You will learn one day how retarded this world is but Ill give you a hint about how to succeed: people are petty. It's not what you know, it's who you know.

>>737041731
How the fuck is this an argument? You think all goods and services rely on minimum wage workers? So fast food wages go up.

>>737043553
>You think it is way worse than it ever will be,focus on you and your kin, others are irrelevant

I want a good family in a good country. Not a good family in the middle of an infinite asshole.

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>>737043481
>this
You a real nigga, stay golden

>>737039977
you didn't even read the article did you?

>>737043421
Of course it's a shit company - it went bankrupt. Good companies don't go bankrupt, they exist for decades so shitbrained liberals can complain about them.

Btw, Apple has also taken out loans to pay dividends (though that was primarily because the tax of reappropriation is way too fucking high).

>>737040919
>the wage got increased, wait until Cost of living matches it
So thirty years ago? Great argument tardo

>>737043481
congrats on being one of the lucky small% to survive with your business, if you failed like most people you'd be complaining on the opposite argument because you'd be working a minimum wage job right now.

>>737043557
Networking is a skill my dude, it is not 100% luck, you are not Forrest Gump

>>737043339
You don't understand.
>>737043390
Because these people (like everyone) have been teached what to believe.
Ones ideology is principally determined by their family.

>>737043656
>utopia
Nigga we not in Disneyland

>>737043223
>Western dogs are no better than honoroubre Chinese farmer growing crops for glorious people's republic.

Shill detected

>>737043742
You think this was my first business? I've failed once before. So I identified a new opportunity for arbitrage and I took advantage.

I haven't been paid minimum wage since I was 17.

>>737043792
it's worked so far hasnt it

>>737043790
No it's not. It's petty shit. I wanted to be a scientist not a fucking bullshit artist. But this species PENALIZES you for not wanting to be a petty self-absorbed little piece of jewish moneyhoarding shit.

If I could go back I'd change my species to something that actually values the scientific pursuit of knowledge.

>>737043925
Fuck off retard. Rich people always have their fucking head up their ass. I value a chinese slave worker's labor over their "labor" moving money between the 1%.

>>737043792
Wealth inequality isn't the problem. Poverty is the problem. And raising the minimum wage won't help with poverty because most of the people living in poverty don't even have jobs.

Your policies will increase poverty.

>>737043944
Worked for who?
Look at the inequality index of the USA, it's worked for a few, very powerful people.

>>737040733
""""""peer reviewed""""""
If only you knew how bad it was anon.

>>737040128
>no idea how economics work
Corruption is how it works.

The fact that they teach morons that there is no alternative to inflation immediately flying up behind income is disgusting. But the fact that we can't protect ourselves from such practices is even worse.

>>737044022
The 1% isn't a static group, kiddo. People drop in and out of it all the time. In fact, 50% of the people currently in the 1% won't be there within the next five years.

Your whole political philosophy is meme tier.

>>737044148
>50% of the people currently in the 1%
lmao just making up statistics this crazy

>>737040622
You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real...

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>>737044148

Keep worshiping them, lad and make sure you say a prayer for the job creators when you go to bed at night.

>>737044258
http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/07/news/economy/top-1/index.html

Liberal source for ya there kiddo.

>As for holding onto this status for at least 10 years? Only a miniscule 1.1% of Americans are this fortunate.

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>>737040622
If info doesnt serve your agenda it is simply false huh?
Or did a terrible idea yield terrible results even though it was a liberal utopian dream come true?
But how could something that was leftist approved fail? Oh yea bc leftist strategies have never made a society flourish, it turns out everyone is not equal and it requires hard work to achieve great things....
Thats why conservative nations became shining examples of funtional societies with unparalleled opportunities for their citizens

>>737044026
"wealth inequality isn't the problem" I kind of agree, it's not really a cause but a symptom (as you can see in that graph, the straight line implies direct correlation, inequality is a great indicator of a "non desirable country to live in").
I also agree that rising the minimum wage alone wont help. The USA needs o lot more left-wing reforms.

>>737044327
Bitch please, I am a job creator. Though I only create three jobs (+ contractors, which nobody counts for some reason).

I pray to myself.

>>737042744
>japan
one race
>united states
multicultural

there's your problem

>>737043930
You could be working minimum wage tomorrow, I know someone who was making 250k a year in a government contract job and lost his job, house within a 2 year span of bad luck. Your just a moron who thinks his shit don't stink because you caught a break or two.

>>737044416
So wait for when people stops buying.

>>737044415
Because those have worked so fabulously, right? Since LBJ's creation of the great society, all of the problems he intended to fix have gotten MUCH worse.

>>737044148
Fuck off dude, nothing but semantics. Let's call it the .01% then.

When I say the 1% I don't mean doctors who *technically* qualify as the top 1% but work 18 hours a day saving lives. I mean the parasitic pieces of shit who pollute the planet and contribute nothing to the species while eating the most.

Why do you always get these fucking asinine responses when you talk about wealth inequality?

Guess what buddy, you will NEVER be in that little jew club. Never.

>>737044465
If that's your conclusion or your hypothesis after looking at this graph... it's really poor

Here's a better write up about it; http://www.seattletimes.com/business/uw-study-finds-seattles-minimum-wage-is-costing-jobs/

>>737044612
Hahahaha, wipe my cum off your face bro.

I facefucked your argument and now you're trying to move the goal line.

I love how much it bothers you guys that I'm more successful than you.

>>737040733
Clearly spoken by someone who never managed finances for a small business

>>737044474
I really couldn't. The world is a chaotic place, but I have enough money to not work and still pay my way for like 8 years. And I could definitely find another opportunity for arbitrage within 8 years.

>>737044727
I'm sorry I'm from the USA. Did he implement any significant left-wing policies?

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>>737044923

If you can't run a business that complies with the law, pack up your shit and fuck off to do something else. Simple, really.

>>737044813
Another self-absorbed rich piece of shit with his head up his ass.

Why doesn't this species just die?

If I ever won the lottery I would personally fund sterilizing 95% of the planet.

>>737041414
This
If you dont understand that then you must be one of the people who "deserves" top dollar for your unskilled eneducated labor

>>737040622
/thread

>>737045124
I love how your economic prospects for achieving wealth include "winning the lottery."

Truly pathetic.

>>737044954
Yeah that's what he thought too, but life happens, shit happens, you aren't immune, something humbling will be coming your way and then you'll realize how wrong and dumb you really are.

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Making 13$ an hour as a Supervisor in QC at Texas Pride Trailers. Working 60+ hours a week with all overtime approved. Life is good.

>>737045235
I've failed before. I'll fail again. But my safety net is extremely large and if my business lasts 3-4 more years I could literally retire in my early 30s.

Granted not with the lifestyle that I'd like, but I could nonetheless.

>>737045212
People like you don't need to reproduce. What an embarrassment to the species.

Scientists will look back on this era and wonder how these infants piloting adult bodies didn't make themselves extinct much sooner.

>>737040733
Honestly curious.. does having something peer reviewed make it true?

>>737043862
>things aren't perfect
>no point in trying
>might as well designated shitting street

A good country is a fight that never ends.

>>737045452
I'm the reason this society works. I pay more in taxes than NEETs like you suck from the government in gibs.

Now thank me.

>>737045541
It does in order to be claimed as factual yes.

If you can repeat the result it becomes fact.

>>737045541
Doesn't make it true, simply makes it more credible.

>>737045755
>I'm the reason society works

Bruh you're on /b/ I doubt you do much for society at large.

We all pay taxes boy.

>>737045755
You don't do shit for the species. You are a worthless tapeworm on the human belly, just like the 1%.

>>737046010
If the 1% didn't exist, where would investment come from?

You? You don't invest in anything but chicken tendies.

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This specifically goes out to all the people who think raising the minimum wage will increase the price of living. The cost of living has been steadily increasing for America at a constant rate, and there is no signs that the cost of living will ever decrease. This is because productivity in America is increasing, and with an increase in productivity comes an increase in item complexity. America's economy is consumer-based, and it stands to reason that more complex items cost more than less complex items. For example look at transportation, entertainment, and housing. Items created back in 1830 are significantly inferior compare two items created in 2017. On top of that items in the 1830s have been discontinued, so you are unable to purchase them even if you wanted to. And if by some means you were to find a way to get them, it would be beyond your power to then sell said items because of safety regulations such as lead paint, so we are forced to buy more expensive houses more expensive cars more expensive phones and more expensive standards of living.

Next I will discuss pay. One should be paid to their skill level and value of their task. As such an eye doctor should be paid more than a busboy I believe we all agree with this. And those who work harder should be paid more than their competitive counterparts that do not work as hard. At this point you should ask yourself if you agree with that statement. If you do agree with that statement, then this next statement you may also agree with. An America that works harder should be paid more, and Americans who work harder should also be paid more. Do you agree? America along with its citizens, and people who live inside the borders of the country have increased in productivity through the years, and yet in 1973 pay began to stop matching their productivity. Innocence Americans were being paid less to work twice as hard.

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>>737046157
um... maybe smaller investments spread across more people? like, you know, the stock market?

>>737046157
>If the 1% didn't exist, where would investment come from?

From the people who could actually afford to live with dignity if the wealth parasites didn't exist.

You contribute nothing. You only eat and delude yourself into thinking you produce value. A single day in the life of a chinese farm worker gives more to the species than your entire life of moving money around between rich shitstains' bank accounts.

Kill yourself.

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>>737046267
America standards of living and productivity has increased to such a point that the Common Man of today is living as royalty of the 1600s, and the cost is to match. Americans productivity is high and their pay should match. This is only natural, but a common counter argument an increase of our pay will increase everything else causing inflation. To those I say that an increase in Pay will not cause inflation. An increase in the amount of money circulating through our economy will cause inflation. Once more I have a question for you. If your pay was to be cut in half but that decrease the cost of your living? Would you be willing to cut in half the pay of everyone who lives in your state it regardless of their job or status in the hopes that it would lower the cost of the standard of living?

My argument stands as followed.

An increase to the minimum wage in America will have a minimal negative effect on the cost of everyday items, and it will have an enormous positive effect on the millions of receiving more pay.

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>>737046274
Dumb people don't invest their money. This is why lottery winners (morons) almost always end up poor.

This is also why half of Americans don't own a single stock. The average American would rather buy a $30k car than own equity in a company.

>>737046332
>the wealth parasites man

Fuckin lazy shit. Work hard and maybe you can actually make money like they do.

>>737043053
this is the reason.

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>>737043279
Fuck everyone who isn't me. You can all die tomorrow and I wouldn't give a shit.

>>737043089

do you have any idea why seattle has a ton of homeless people? or are you just vomiting words out of your ass?

i live in seattle. homeless people flock here from all over the country because we have resources for them that others dont have. our "homelessness" problem comes from places like where you live (i'm guessing) where you treat humans that aren't you as subhuman.

traffic is getting worse because business is booming. especially tech. we're the new silicon valley, and you're just petty and pissy.

we have toll roads because pseudo rich are idiots and vote down state income tax every year. it has nothing to do with our min wage

i have negatives for all these things too but i think i've made my point

tldr we're doing great over here. kisses from seattle

>>737046345
I don't think my life is very luxurious, especially growing up. Shitty minor conveniences like laptops are readily traded for an actual place of dignity to live in, not the ghetto.

>>737046545
This is what I'm talking about. You are a fucking retard with an ego.

I work less now that I own my own business than I ever did when I actually earned a living. And i make triple now. But I'm not like you because I don't eat my own shit and call it gourmet.

The day laborer working in 100 degree heat tiling a roof does a lot more hard work than you ever have in your life. But he will never make money.

Again, kill yourself.

>>737043598
look at the bigger picture? now you can sit on your ass...no diploma, no college and make 15 an hour doing jack shit but getting high and jerking off at some teenagers job...you think the dude busting his balls at a factory is going to stay at his job when he could just say fuck it and make 40 or so dollars less a week and not be responsible for shit?

everyones wages will go up because of this

not just fast food workers

>>737046545
>Work hard and maybe you can actually make money like they do.
>>737042527

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>>737046579
> the republican platform, gentlemen

>>737046645
>homeless flock to Seattle

Sounds like a great city these days.

>>737046645
Last time I was in Seattle was when I was 9.

A homeless man asked me for a cigarette outside the lobby of the hotel I was staying at. It was very confusing for my nine year old brain to process.

>>737043553
see but you and your kin are part of the problem..so this isn't helping anything...
>just doesn't get it

>>737046753
Republicans donate more money to charity than Democrats.

Next?

>>737044923
"I did some book keeping for my uncle. That means I understand wages setting better than leading economists".

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>>737046720
>kill yourself because someone else isn't making money

As if I'm supposed to care about some shitlord working in the heat? He chose his career.

>>737046931
He thinks you're me. He's been spamming me to kill myself for like ten replies now.

He's a NEET with a raging hardon for communist China for some reason.

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>>737046738
>if I take him literally I can link my graph and act like I showed him what for

>>737046720
So hows it work man? How do you open up your own business? I can see it if you have like some skills Ive a friend started a contracting business he rehabs homes for those people that buy them to flip them...but other then that like where and how do you even start

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>>737046861

Most "charity" conservatives give is in the form of tithes to their church. The vast majority of that money goes to salaries and building expenses -- for people and buildings that provide the giver with services. A tiny, miniscule fraction goes to the poor and needy.

Whereas most liberals are much more likely to donate to secular organizations with a much higher percentage of that money going to the people who need it.

>>737047059
Productivity has skyrocketed since the creation of computers. It's also made labor easier. The idea that just because you're more productive than a worker was 50 years ago doesn't mean you should make more because it's also easier to be more productive now.

It's like a farm worker driving one of those automated picker things (you can see that shit on youtube, really cool stuff). He's many times more productive, but it's also a much easier job now.

>>737047123
>I know cause I read it online

>>737046931
No he didn't retard. Nobody at lower income brackets chooses their career. Most careers are hereditary like the guilds of old.

I wish people like you were sterilized.

>>737047118
I started by going door to door and mowing lawns. Eventually i opened a website, bought a pickup truck and did it that way. It's not difficult and the pieces of shit saying it's "hard work" are really self-absorbed ego losers with no redeeming qualities.

You will do much less work working for yourself than someone else, and earn about triple.

I do not recommend flipping houses without serious experience. It is a very difficult and competitive business but quite profitable if you are an expert at everything remodeling.

>>737046483
and yet those that have a bit of extra money do rather frequently own stock. and there would be more of that if the 1% were spread around a bit.

i understand your argument btw. and i suspect it has _some_ merit. a single investor with alot to lose who can afford to fund a risky potential landfall has real value, but i hardly think it is an airtight argument for having a 1%

>>737047123
Source?

Also, this assumes that churches don't provide significant benefits to the community. I'm not religious, but I can still clearly see the benefits to living in a community with a healthy church.

>>737047254
Yes. I know.

>>737047275

Yes, turns out many facts are online :)

It is still true though, unfortunately for you. It is just a myth, really.

>>737046720
that there is the disconnect. Compared to others of the modern-day you may not have been living a glamorous life. Let's go back a few centuries and suddenly the common folk are jealous of you. You have clean water, you have the house not made of sticks thatcher, you have the ability to go to a school. You are a noble.

>>737046787

best city in the world friend. if you're not a shit head

>>737047400
Trust me they would not be jealous of wasting their lives from 0-21 living in nigger apartments eating cockroach cereal. I sincerely honestly doubt a medieval peasant would envy most of my early life.

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>>737047345
>most careers are hereditary
>like the guilds of old

Oh lordy. You can't be fuckin serious.

>>737047345
sweet bro

>>737047367

Sure, but lets not pretend its a truly charitable organisation, whatever the merits of a church and its alleged benefits to the community.

http://philanthropy.com/article/America-s-Geographic-Giving/133591/

>>737046861
>Republicans donate more money to charity than Democrats.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html
> When liberals see the data on giving, they tend to protest that conservatives look good only because they shower dollars on churches — that a fair amount of that money isn’t helping the poor, but simply constructing lavish spires.
> It’s true that religion is the essential reason conservatives give more, and religious liberals are as generous as religious conservatives. Among the stingiest of the stingy are secular conservatives.
> According to Google’s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do.

Donating a bunch so you have a nicer place to network with your religious buddies isn't really donating.

That said, rich republicans and democrats tend to give a lot. That such generosity is a foundation of social signalling among western rich is a wonderful sign of our culture's capacity for doing good.

I still prefer taxing and ensuring a safety net. If the republicans would get their head out of their ass on social issues, I'd never vote democrat again.

>>737039977
Yes.
The world is for the rich, and we should all work hard to make sure we keep the world like that. What would the world be coming to if some rich people lost money! That'd be HORRIBLE!

>>737047524
Try applying to a government job or a skilled trade and see how far you go without relatives on the inside.

Are you literally 12? Take it from someone with experience.

>>737047578
It's very simple man. Just go door to door, offer the service, if they say no. Move on. It will take about 100 houses to get a single yes but when you get one yes you increase your chance of repeat business.

Put business cards everywhere and I highly recommend Yelp ads. Yelp ads doubled our business the very first month but it is expensive.

>>737047254
are you saying just being productive and efficient at your job shouldn't be the reason why you should be paid more

You sir are Redgrin Grumble of money

>>737047123
>vaccines cause autism

Is that how you caught it?

>>737047359
I'm not arguing that there *should* be a 1% - I'm arguing that there will *always* be a 1%. You and I don't get to choose how wealth is distributed - that's immoral and would require theft on our part.

The idea that we can take from responsible people who make good financial choices so we can subsidize irresponsible people who make bad choices isn't a moral decision - it's incredibly immoral. There's a basic principle in economics - if you tax something you get less of it, if you subsidize something you get more of it. If we subsidize poor behavior that's all we'll have.

>>737046345
Yeeaa but lets be real. 15 fucking bucks is ridiculous. But with stats coming out showing an increase in unemployment rates I imagine we all prefer that we at least had some income over nothing.

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>>737040622
>be business owner
>have to pay $15/hr minimum to my shitty, unskilled highschoolers
>fire half of them and cut the hours of the other half
>only keep staff I absolutely need
>install order machines instead
>save myself a fortune with 0 downtime robots that never need breaks, show up late, steal or get my customers orders wrong

>>737047780
>that's immoral and would require theft on our part.

You mean like they do now?

>The idea that we can take from responsible people who make good financial choices

Being born rich is a good financial choice? What a fucking asshat you are.

Again kill yourself.

>>737039977
Not if you're a liberal. If you're a liberal, you just keep screaming talking points because the media hasn't given you anything else parrot.

>>737047589
>Donating a bunch so you have a nicer place to network with your religious buddies isn't really donating.

Yeah it is. I only donate (modestly) to my regional community.

>>737047879
Fuck off faggot I own a business and we pay $15/hour minimum. We're only going up not down. Its totally doable if you aren't a greedy shit.

>>737047709
>Try applying to a government job or a skilled trade and see how far you go without relatives on the inside.

> teach myself to program
> apply for shit web job
> continue learning and apply for better job
> continue learning and get job through networking in local LUG
> continue learning and get promoted to management when old guy moves on
> hate it, but learning to manage these shits, will move on to management job next

You don't know what you're talking about.

>>737039977
Shit shoop nigger.

>>737047896
Wasn't born rich as we've established. First business failed, second business succeeded.

Besides, inflation ensures that people born rich won't stay rich without wise investment choices.

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>>737047709
That's why my father was an electrician, my mother was a quality control specialist, and I work in pharmaceutical. It's cause careers are hereditary.

Inb4 low income

They can get a job just as easily as everyone else. This idea you have that you need to have a family member in a career field to be in it is so retarded it's like a blow to the head.

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>>737047879

So you're suggesting your business was so inefficient that you employed 75% more staff than you needed and refused to improve productivity? sounds like you're a fucking idiot, m80.

>>737044727
Japanese culture has a strong hierarchy

American culture was destroyed around 100 years ago.
Pretty fucking obvious that japan would fall apart if they brought in 30 million arabs, 30 million africans and 30 million indians.

>>737047519
my friend you are able to live past the age of 20, drink clean water, where clothes that do not break just going outside, educate yourself, you do not have to deal with mumps, measles, or polio, and have access to one of the greatest tools in human existence. The internet, if a man from the past does not envy your life he is insane, or the Buddha

>>737048146
>the American culture is destroyed

America ever had a culture they could call their own outside of hedonism kek

Inb4 eurocuck.
Nah I just calls it like I sees it. Fuckin love this country.

>>737042563
People who think IQ = intelligence shouldn't be allowed to breathe.

>>737046720

Objective view of this argument..you just proved their point. The system is corrupt if it allows you to take advantage of your workers to the point of profiting madly (not that you in particular are). There needs to be a curb stop so that the top 2% of the positions in the company stop taking ALL the wealth from the businees instead of compensating the workers for the overall continued success of the company in its operation. Just because you own a company, doesnt mean you should be able to suck it dry when there are people whose lives are just as valid as yours are on the line in the numbers of hundreds, or thousands or many thousands..everyone should be humble and appreciate each others contributions that make society what it is overall. Nobody is asking for wage equality, just for the entire entity of a business to feel its success as it succeeds.

>>737047842
It sounds if you agree with all the points, but then just stopped agreeing at the end and said "Oh yeah all of that sounds right buuuuuuut I don't like it."

>>737042803
this comment is so sad

i actually feel for the guy.

>>737040619
thats what the company makes them call themselves, you fucking primitive. its like 'associate'

>>737047896
Most people who own fast food franchises are not born rich, they are just reaching for the first real rung one the later up. But please, keep parroting talking points by 1% millionaires like Sanders and Warren; build a world where they're in charge and you still live like a wage slave because they only represent a step back in terms of economic advancement.

>>737047984
Yeah it takes you 10 years to do what someone with family on the inside could have done in 1. Then some Indian will take your job for 63 cents an hour.

Congratulations you really proved me wrong!

Seriously dude, you are deluded if you think the owner's son isn't gonna get that promotion before you. Start your own programming firm if you really plan on making it, otherwise kiss your years goodbye.

>>737048028
This is what I hate about rich people. They always deny being rich while driving their $40k Audis texting on their $800 iphones drinking their $12 coffee.

How much money did your parents make growing up? If it's over 25k each, guess what that's rich.

>>737048046
>father was an electrician.

That's called rich.

>>737048217
It's ironic you say that because:
-I don't care about living long, it doesn't enrich me.
-Clean water is great so I'll give you that one
-I haven't had new clothes in 6 years
-I have 50k in student loans and didnt learn a thing
-If I get sick Im screwed and my business fails because I have no health care.

>>737045332
Cost of living must be next to nothing in America. 13/hr in Australia won't even pay your rent.

>>737048296
IQ
ˌī ˈkyo͞o
noun
short for intelligence quotient.
"I make good grades and have a high IQ"

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>>737048280
>americans never had a culture

>>737048296
IQ is a number used to showcase your ability to learn but in most cases that in a sense is intelligence. But being book smart doesn't showcase good self awareness social understanding or an understanding in general.

>>737048481
My mother worked part time as a telephone operator for Qwest (doesn't exist anymore) and my father pulled green chain. Combined it was something like $25-30k I think, I'd have to ask.

I drive a $12k F150 I bought used with 80k miles. I don't drink coffee (gives me crazy shits, no thanks).

>>737048476
Wow are you fuckin serious?

If you own a franchise you are rich. Period. I hate rich people who delude themselves into thinking they aren't rich. Fuck off with that shit.

I'm 27 almost and wasted my entire life working shit tier meaningless job getting into unpayable debt while wasteful rich idiots who *arent rich* are driving mercedes and complaining on the internet on their iphones how poor they are.

What is this fucking planet? When will it explode? Please give us extinction whoever is out there.

>>737048481
>electrician = rich

Really? Coulda fooled me. I lived lower middle class at best. Nothin against my family.

>>737048576
>a style of architecture and decoration is culture

You're doin great.

>>737042206
Substitute strong-arm criminal takeover for bankruptcy salvage and the rest is the plot of Fargo season 3, which illustrates this scam well.

>>737047519
you need some perspective mate

>>737046720
You refuted literally nothing he said, went into ad hominem and anecdotes that were meaningless, and wasted everyone's time.
Congratulations, you are exactly why people cant/wont discuss politics in public

>>737048675
Guy named Juan owns a Jack in the Box in my city. He started as an employee, worked his way up to manager and decided to leverage the skills he learned into a long term investment.

Kinda sad when immigrants understand the American dream better than NEET white Americans.

>>737048717
Yeah just because they're wasteful it doesn't mean they weren't rich.

I wish I could get into the electricians union. I applied for like 6 years and kept getting rejected. No family on the inside. Only people who had "experience" ever got in, or people with family. This species is an embarrassment.

I wanted to be a scientist, not some bullshit artist business owner. That's why I'm bitter. Money is nice and I no longer care about the species like i used to. Im not young enough anymore.

>>737048481
>Seriously dude, you are deluded if you think the owner's son isn't gonna get that promotion before you. Start your own programming firm if you really plan on making it, otherwise kiss your years goodbye.

> wrong
> moves goalposts over horizon

Sure guy. But I'm not in a position to do that yet. Because it takes a network of contacts I don't have. And I enjoy what I do, mostly.

But yeah, if you want to be free, you have to run a business. Anything less is slavery.

Getting moving classes is a multigenerational affair.

Yeah. My folks worked shit jobs so I could have the free time needed to teach myself a skill when I was a kid.

My kids are going to be lawyers and doctors, assuming they don't get into some degeneracy like drugs or whatever.

Maybe their kids are born into enough wealth to not have to work up to it.

Then they'll be the same spoiled shits as the rest, fall into degeneracy and their kids will grow up in a trailer park.

> it's the circle of liiiiiiiife

>>737048387
He was making a point of what hard workers deserve. That an increase in minimum wage isn't mostly negative. I agree but it's something that should be gradual or you just end up fuck over peoples jobs and lively hood.

>>737048675
jesus christ you're depressed af

>>737048481
Ignoring all your other drivel...to your second point, what you are describing is the middle to upper-middle class. No they are not rich, they just have more than you. To be truly rich in American society, one must have enough wealth that it continues to the next generation. If you do not have this form of perpetual wealth, then you are not even part of the top 10%.

>>737048483
Two things. One, your dollars are worth about 1/3 less than ours. Two, the US has a wide range in cost of living. In some places the current minimum wage is enough, in others it isn't.

This is why raising the minimum wage is at the federal level is retarded. The only people you see advocating for it have always lived in the high cost areas and don't realize that the rest of the country is different.

>>737048841
>i don't know what culture is

>>737043058
>And we don't need unions. Or collective bargaining
The USA is truly cucked by its elites.

>>737048988
If you can't get in without family in you just suck more than all their other applicants. I got in to my local just fine on my own.

>>737048988
>your family was wasteful

You're being childish now.

>i needed experience to get into a union

You don't say?

>I wanted to be a scientist
>not a business owner

I wanted to be an astronaut. Life happens.

>I'm not young enough to peruse my dreams

Get over yourself m8. Cause that sounds like an excuse. I'm done with you.

>>737048981
I was an immigrant too though

>>737049033
Yeah man Im kind of ready to exit this planet when I hit 35 or so or whenever my dogs die. I still need to take care of them but I am really unfulfilled.

I wanted to study bio-nanotechnology. Instead I mow lawns.

>>737049134
I long for it

>>737049076
Middle class is rich in 5 years with the right investments. Wastefulness doesn't change their status of being wealthy.

Just because they choose to buy coffee and other useless shit on a daily basis it doesn't mean they aren't rich.

>>737049286
6 years, 3 different states, nothing.

The line in NYC to join the electrician's union was about a half mile long.

>>737047960
>liar detected

>>737048456
>Sandwich artists detected

>>737049255
>>737049255
Unions increase the price of goods in every field they operate in which is bad for the consumer.

Every job (which is admittedly only three) I've had I've been able to negotiate pay increases without consulting my coworkers because I was worth the money. Only people with no skills working in an unskilled job require collective bargaining.

>>737049255
And socialist are truly cucked by Union bosses who pull in salaries of $250,000+ for "fighting for the little guy".

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>>737047960
WELL DOESNT THIS JUST SOLVE THE WHOLE THREAD?
>/THREAD FAGGOTS HERE YOU GO

>>737042682
over 70% of businesses are small businesses, so it does matter

>>737049412
15x8 = 120/day

Each lawn averages $40-$60. You can mow a lot in 8 hours.

Completely doable. Without greed, a lot is possible. You would be surprised.

>>737049329
>I wanted to be an astronaut. Life happens.

Thanks anon I don't know why but this made me feel better. I am sorry I am just so very bitter.

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>>737041150

Its still 3 years salary, assuming you aint doing the lowest of the low jobs, in which case, I don't know why you expect to own a home.

>>737049412
U jelly,bro?

>>737048675
>other people having more makes me have less

>>737043200
The luck anon's talking about is you being born in the first world and being able to take that opportunity (i.e. not forced to slave 14 hours a day for 2 dollars, in a job so unsafe that your life expectancy is severely diminished).

>>737039977
http://www.nber.org/papers/w23532
here's the study itself, for those who want to draw their own conclusions

>>737049679
Yes that is part of it. Even being born in the ghetto is an insane amount of luck compared to the world than being born in rural China. Starting a business is common sense, much easier than working a job. Much, much easier. About 1/3 as difficult as working for someone else. You just have to be persistent.

Sorry to be an ass but I'm drunk and looking back on my life and it pisses me off.

>>737049372
no need to exit anything, you just need to change the way you see things

>>737049679
>>737049679
I suppose, but wouldn't that luck pretty much apply to all of us given that we're all sitting on a computer and shit posting on the internet?

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>>737049372
>6 years, 3 different states, nothing.
Yup. You suck and they don't want you.

>>737042203

It's OK, you're Spanish, you're doing the best you can.

>>737049859
I am very appreciative of my business but I'm almost 30 man and I can't provide for my family what they deserve. They all live in a house in this crappy neighborhood with niggers moving in like a can of sardines. I can't pull them out of hell and I feel like a disappointment to myself.

The other day some nigger broke my mom's back light on her car. Just sick of it.

>>737049905
Sick of that halfmile long line of people too apparently. But then again this was around 2008-2014 right after the economic crash.

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>>737048093
That happens all the time. I'd guess 30% of the retail workforce is just charity, some family member of the owner who is completely useless but she's kept on anyway. I can't wait to see these unskilled entitled tards drown in their own tears once their jobs start becoming automated.

Bunch of fucking snowflakes in here... so sorry I don't want my significant salary to pay for your lazy useless life. Go to school, learn a trade or shut the fuck up and enjoy slinging my burgers. We need bottom feeders to clean my car, cook my food and pump my gas. But no way in hell is that worth more per hour than people with real ambition make while learning their craft. Go get a second job if you want more money.

>>737044022
Free advice from the buddha:

If you truly love science for the sake of science, pursue it with no regard for money. Your desire for money as compensation for your search betrays you. Only truth has value. Any other possession is a path to suffering.

>>737050054
You live in NYC? There's your problem.

You live in one of the most expensive cities in America. Move. Even upstate has much cheaper options. Buffalo real estate is practically free.

>>737049542
>which is bad for the consumer
But it's not bad for the workers. Unless you're a child, a stay-at-home mom or a millionaire, you're going to be both worker and consumer.

>Only people with no skills working in an unskilled job require collective bargaining
Assuming for a second this was true (and I don't think it is), many people will still need to fill in those unskilled jobs. Do they not deserve fair working conditions?

>>737049569
Yes, better getting fucked by a CEO that makes double that, and it's not even slightly accountable.

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>>737044395
>If info doesnt serve your agenda it is simply false huh?
>WaPo isn't fake news
pick one

>>737039977
>the caption

I lost

>>737049869
Absolutely. But there's degrees of luck even in the first world (hoodrat from an abusive, poor family; high-middle class with a perfect family)

>>737042744

This graph is very wrong. Income inequality in the uk is lower than germany. germany has many more million/billionaires

>>737050313
It took me until 26 to save the money to do it. I don't live near NYC anymore. But there goes all my plans for the future just scrounging for a place to barely survive.

Man I Hope when I die I don't come back to this species or this planet.

>>737039977
whenever a news agency writes anything similar to "a study" or "study says", you can safely disregard it. one single study means fuck all. you can't rely on only one.

>>737040128
FPBP got it right on the head, higher "wages"=/= higher real income.

>>737048576
>disneyland

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>>737039977
americans are morons.
https://youtu.be/A9UmdY0E8hU

>>737051102
except thats retarded. Higher wages = higher standard of living.

Standard of living is affected by INFLATION you fucking cucks. Not by average wages.

Otherwise cost of living would have stayed the same all these years, but instead it has gone up while wages remain stagnant.

Stop buying into corporate propaganda. A higher wage will only help most people.

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>>737039977
>Hmm, really makes you think
>only read the title

>>737049712
>http://www.nber.org/papers/w23532
>63 pages
But god is this good shit. Comprehensive, dry, fucking data.

>>737046645
I live in seattle you brainless faggot.
> And I don't want your faggot kisses

>>737047475
No it's not. It is full of self obsessed shit heads that ram thier cars into someone else becase they are checking their twitter feed.
The meth heads steal everything they can, the 20% incline streets are full if shitty traffic , millions are wasted on shitty projects like berth and people rush about without any common courtesy and glare at you if you say hello.

>go fuck yourself

>>737039977
>'very credible'

Well shit, can't argue with that

>>737051333
Sorry but that is incorrect. While it is true that a higher standard of living can come with higher wages it can only come with an increase in production of goods or services provided. If there isn't an increase in production or if it is stagnant or decreases, then all that has happened it one less person can be employed at those wages and the increased cost of goods while some who benefited from the increased wages, an equal or greater amount must be harmed as they no longer have their previous purchasing power. The challenge is having workers know what they're worth. Profits are almost entirely reinvested either through increasing production of the company ie hiring new employees or renovating an office.

People just need to look at the secondary and further results of a particular action. Its the same with governmental spending. things such as infrastructure and healthcare are essentials for a healthy workforce however taxing people to waste money on coal or farm subsidies which do not generate a return is just removing that much more money from you and I to spend on say a new coat. These effects can also be localized but that's a bit into the weeds at this point

>>737052832
Except when they raised minimum wage in the past it was perfectly fine and didn't increase standard of living.

You wanna explain why cost of living has basically tripled in the last 10 years while wages remained the same? What's your explanation? Because it sure as hell isn't minimum wage.

>>737039977
a multi national owned capitalist new paper writes a news about how paying fair wages is bad and people actually suport it

what bad are the companies like wallmart that destroy small american business and that leach off the tax payers

>>737040128
yes please tell me how economics works

wages have risen with the supply of money in higher jobs but the low income jobs which some one will have to do has been stagnate

there are big companies that take tax monies or people in well fair to work for them that the gobment pays them

>>737041150
You realise when wages go up real estate follows?

>>737047123
False:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

>>737047367

He's full of it. See my link above.

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>>737040622
I know a few people already pointed out how fucking stupid you are but I just wanted to add my bit.

Hahahaha...aaahahahaaa you dumb mother fucker.

>>737048675
these guys don't get it, anon. i worked as a slave for a well known franchise for awhile. over time i got to know the owner. he pocketed $2 million a year owning little else but the rights to use the name on the front of the store. and that's after all expenses, paying everyone, maintenance, keeping the lights on, etc. then when they recently changed the minimum wage in alot of states, he outright refused to up our pay for as long as he could without getting into lawsuits. and this is exactly the person you're describing. these people have millions of dollars and cry a river when someone asks for literal pennies more an hour.

i quit that job because of this, he refused to pay everyone the new legal wage for over 2 months and refused any back pay to make up for it. fuck these scumbags. and you get what you pay for. i go in that store every now and again and see non-stop revolving door random employees that are total fuck ups, hired and fired in a weeks time. if these cheap bastards would offer an extra dollar or two an hour, they would have better people competing for and holding those jobs. they're creating their own problems. and their business will ultimately fail, leaving them wondering how it all went to shit. the answer is simple:

fucking pay up, you cheap cocksuckers or you will get shit tier effort for your shit tier pay.

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>>737040598
A broken clock is right twice a day. And let's be honest the left is controlled by corporations who found the most gullible people on Earth to get behind them. All the while claiming that it's the right that's in the pockets of the corporate world.
The truth is it's both of them it's just the Right has the Integrity to be upfront about it. People on the left are so dumb they don't even have to be upfront about it, their bullshit meter is completely switched off and has been since they knew what politics were. Or just got used to feeling good about themselves whichever came first.
Bunch of emotional thinking fucking retards that are going to be the death of the human race, the Civilized human race anyway.

>>737047879
>muh strawman
>implying machines are not already replacing workers

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>>737042350
>Shill trying to blend in by throwing libs under the us

Nice try with your demoralization tactic.

No one would seriously believe that stupid pic and not be some lefty moron and/or shill. Hillary supported NAFTA and TPP (Until it became unpopular, she would've supported it once she got in office like she's done before). Meanwhile Trump killed TPP and is making moves to renegotiate NAFTA. But never mind that cuz "HURR DURR TRUMP HAZ GOLD STUFF!".

>>737042744
Correlation doesn't imply causation. You could just as easily say those with less problems tend to have colder climates.

>>737040733
>>737040504
>>737040598
>>737040622
>>737039977
>>737041187
also its $13 an hour in seattle san francisco just recently voted for $15 might happen in july
https://www.nber.org/papers/w23532.pdf
>>employment overall did not change
it decreased jobs by 9% and many of those that kept there job are now part time

https://www.nber.org/papers/w23532.pdf

>>737056032
Yeah it's really that simple. Greed not practicality. A $15 minimum wage will greatly improve the economy and put a tiny, tiny dent in the bank accounts of multibillionaires.

I just dont get this species anon. I really dont. It's like a bad dream you cant wake up from.

>>737056347
Trump is a multi billionaire. He doesn't care about day laboreres making $8/hour stupid.

People are BRAINDEAD. I fucking hate this dumbass species. Fuck.

>>737056691
Temporary temper tantrums being thrown by corporations but just like in history, it will even out and people will get full time back.

The same EXACT thing happened when healthcare became mandatory. It evened out eventually.

Just because corps throw temporary temper tantrums doesn't mean it will last. IF they want to stay competitive they will need full time workers again eventually.

>>737056705
not every business owner is a billionaire dumbass
food service typically makes 4.7%
>>737056819
no it has never evened out our economy is a pos and our hc system is more expensive then ever

your a fucking retard and your whole life is only possible bc of corporations.not to mention low wage work are small business too

>>737039977
this shit is so not going to happen. there are fast food joints that pay a bit more than minimum wage.theres also places that serve food that are beter than fast food.. instead of sticking with the same crappy job and crying for more than crappy pay just move on you lazy fucks. those jobs are for highschoolers and desperate people who have no skills and deserve that pay.

>>737042744
The US has the highest amount of disposable income when you factor in currency exchange rates. The US has more purchasing power, lower cost of living (Includes taxes, goods, healthcare, etc.), and higher incomes for the same job (Currency rates accounted for) compared to the UK. We may be more unequal, but we're still better off on average.

And those at the bottom tend to be low IQ blacks. "Social and health" problems exist among blacks, but less so among whites. We're pretty much equal in test scores to Europe in obesity, homicide, etc. until you factor in blacks. Guess who runs black communities by the way? The most leftist members of the Democrats except perhaps the Bernie Sanders types.

>>737045332
I am a building automation technician in Southern California. Work on everything from package units to Hospitals with CUPs. Started at $17, Currently make $30/hr with all overtime and doubletime approved and able to take it when I want it.
Last year I made ~65k net before my last raise from $25-$30.

I am getting more involved with actual programming and system design.

I have been in the industry for almost 3 years, mother was a mech contractor for over 30 years so I have picked up a lot of mechanical knowledge which has made a huge difference. I have an AA in Lib Arts Communications (worthless degree, will get engineering later).

>>737046044
LOL not by the current exchange rate.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/08/12/denmark-does-not-have-a-20-minimum-wage-try-11-70-instead/#6a06b2427814

>>737039977
The fact that there is even a need to debate this is utterly retarded.

Price floors create surpluses. Businesses that have smaller profit margins will need to cut back on employees. Even far-left leaning business owners will tell you that raising the minimum wage will ruin their businesses.

Besides, if the minimum wage was risen to $15/hr, what incentive would there be for people to work important, but low-income jobs, like EMTs? The average EMT makes $14/hr, and they need to go through a ridiculous amount of training and internships. To be qualified, you have to take the National Registry, a test that qualifies you as a clinician. It is the equivalent of the first two years in med school. You need to be able to recognize and diagnose every possible thing that can go wrong. You need to know medications, any possible allergies to medications, how to apply an IV, how to run an EKG and a defibrillator. If that's not enough, you need to be able to lift 100+ pounds for 30 yards. And that's not even the hardest part of being an EMT. You need to be on call, just like a doctor. You need to be from sound asleep to wide awake and able to drive at 70+ mph on city streets in 5 minutes. You need to be completely devoid of emotion. You need to stay calm at all times and never lash out. You need to be able to tell crying mothers as they pound into your chest, screaming remorsefully, that there was no way you could have saved her daughter. And you have to be able to do this every single day without losing your mind.

The very notion that fast food workers deserve the same pay as these people yet are 1/1000 as qualified is ridiculous.
Are EMTs grossly underpaid? Yes. In fact, most EMTs are just volunteers from the fire department. They certainly deserve more than $14/hr, but with current local budgets, that number will not increase any more than $3.

>>737056951
ur basically12 years old

>>737042331
Have fun at your antifa rally

>>737056819
Big Insurance wrote that healthcare bill. Big businesses benefit from regulation, higher taxes, etc. They have the money for lobbyists, tax attorneys, and accountants. Meanwhile smaller companies get crushed and monopolies form. Those businesses "throwing fits" are just doing so to get even more benefits or they're actually the small guys getting crushed. Why do you think Dems get more money donations and get more money from Wall Street?

Rightwing establishment isn't much better. They do similar things. Only trust libertarians like Rand and populists like Trump.

>>737057728
so then fix the budgets

>>737057765
nice ad hom. do you have anarguement that can refute the national bureau of economic researches study?
>implying that the minimum wage ordinance lowered low-wage employees’ earnings by an average of $125 per month in 2016


https://www.nber.org/papers/w23532.pdf