>>736557433 so the proof for jesus being our lord and savior is that he is real and the son of god? thats like saying, there is a goblin fucking your ass right now and my proof is that he is super-natural.
To be fair, there IS historical evidence of Christ. Any historian will laugh at you if you say that Christ never existed. The argument that people should be having is if the New Testament's stories line up historically, which is heavily debated with evidence on both sides of the argument.
Yahweh, Jesus and Allah are myths. The Tanakh, The Bibles and The Quran are fiction. The Abrahamic Religions are cancers to mankind. It is truly mind blowing that people still believe in these dangerous Bronze age superstitions.
God is not fooled, if you genuinely feel sorry for what you did, you can be saved. But you will HAVE to be filled with TONS of regret and sorrow for your previous life for him to understand that your repentance is genuine.
If you think you're going to fool him, think again, not saying it isn't possible to be saved that late, but it's hard to come to a father that you've neglected your entire life when people are living holy and you continue to stew in the debauchery, you will begin to resent holy people and by extension, God. Your heart will be hardened to the word, making redemption much more difficult.
You will be happier if you start now, it's possible to repent late, but it will be more difficult.
>>736558365 There isn't any empirical evidence for the existence of Jesus "The Christ". All sources such as Josephus etc. that Apologists use to try and hang their fairy tale on are now considered academic embarrassments when used to solidify the historicity of the Zombie Jew.
Technically all of Christ's teachings are what Western Civilization is founded upon, considering the one unifying factor of Western Civilization is that it is Christian.
His teachings of upholding the truth, individual fulfillment through virtue, and giving back to the community through selfless acts are what most of the Western World regards as the guiding principles of how to live. So you have nearly 2000 years of this influence building up all of European Achievement. By following his teachings, you are not only considering his words to be taken as commands like you would a Lord, but you also are regarding his words as something worth keeping, which means it can save you when you face a problem.
In this regard, all of those who do live in Western Civilization actually consider Jesus to be the Lord and Savior because your entire moral grounds are founded by his teachings.
So yes, he is. It doesn't even matter if he was a real person because people listened to his words anyway.
You're both right and wrong. The evidence of the NT being accurate rests that Christ was both baptized and crucified, and this is backed up through other historical documents, such as Tacitcus's records. With that being said, there are issues with the NT that clash with other historical documents, so it can really go either way.
This issue isn't black-and-white like a lot of people think.
>>736559609 Now you are grasping at straws. Even if the record was lost, we know King hered wasn't in charge then either. There also was no newborn slaughter because many people would have written about it. But no, all those other records got lost too, right?
>>736560074 I did read it, I'm just saying that what you are considering evidence isn't all that strong. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that someone named Jesus was baptized around that time so that is evidence for the nt.
>>736559815 We who have done our research know Yeshua Ben Yosef a.k.a. Jesus "The Chist" is a myth. Here are some helpful links to the truth: www.jesusneverexisted.com/ http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm http://godisimaginary.com/index.htm http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_history.htm http://www.nazarethmyth.info/naz1article.html http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_historical_existence_of_Jesus_Christ www.inquisitr.com/1504964/jesus-never-existed/ http://www.theskepticalreview.com/tsrmag/4mara95.html http://www.alternet.org/belief/5-reasons-suspect-jesus-never-existed https://whynogod.wordpress.com/ https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/adam-and-eve-the-ultimate-standoff-between-science-and-faith-and-a-contest/ http://www.churchofreality.org/wisdom/is_jesus_fiction/ http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nigel-barber/if-jesus-never-existed-re_b_5883198.html http://www.thegreatestlieevertold.co.uk/Home.html http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html http://www.salon.com/2014/09/01/5_reasons_to_suspect_that_jesus_never_existed/ http://jdstone.org/cr/files/nohistoricalevidenceofjesus.html http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_27.htm http://infidels.org/library/modern/quentin_smith/atheism.html http://www.nairaland.com/121066/predominantly-atheist-countries-lowest-crime http://www.alternet.org/story/154774/the_top_10_reasons_i_don't_believe_in_god http://www.kyroot.com/?p=8#realworld http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_Exodus http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_literalism http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_God%27s_existence http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scientific_errors_in_the_Bible http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
What would you say if I asked you to give up your weekend? What if I told you, and you believed, that by giving up said weekend you would save every single person from death? I'm guessing you'd be pretty okay with giving up your weekend for that.
>Be Jesus, son of God, also God >Be omniscient and omnipotent >Having created man (imperfectly, but whatever), designs method to save man >Must have a pure sacrifice to appease himself to make up for mankind's sins >Takes on mortal form >Lives to become a martyr >Goes to the cross on a Friday >Being omniscient (see bullet 2), knows that he will resurrect himself on Sunday
Jesus was willing to give up his weekend to save the entirety of the human race from hell.
>>736559263 no its not just because Western Civilization is based upon reason not Christianity because we don't use the same laws the bible uses like any man working on sunday will be killed or if she is not a virgin on the wedding night stone her to death and other examples, not only that creationism is not taught in public schools since the late 1800, plus there is no proof that god created the world
>>736559199 >Zombie Jew I think you mean Lich Jew. You see, after Zombies are reanimated, they retain their bodies i. e. they have the wounds that killed them, but they lose their personalities and higher-level thinking. Liches retain both their mortal bodies and intellects.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither willing, nor able? Then why call him God?
>>736557021 >Jesus is our lord and savior. Prove it. >Prove me wrong. You can;t prove yourself right. You have made a claim so the burden of proof is on you. Also, if you need to convince other ppl, you clearly aren't so sure yourself...? Faith is tricky, isn't it?
I'm not making an argument, I'm just stating what both sides of the debate think. Some people think that the New Testament is historically viable, while others don't. Both have their evidence and merit, it's not a question that can be answered with a simple "yes" or "no".
>>736562813 Better question. What if we are all just immortal souls that choose to be here because we know it is temporary and we live forever? Then all your questions are just questions, because we can choose to be whatever we want. Why choose to be poor? I dont know, why always play video games set in medieval esque times with magic and shit. Cause from an outside perspective, we think we got it all figured out.
like when sports fans what football and say how to call better plays and shit.
>>736562813 I think that is the strongest proof for the existence of Jesus. (We are assuming the existence of God, and trying to determine who is the correct one). If one assumes there is a God, he must be an evil God. God creates evil and thusly must take responsibility for it. Being responsible for evil makes him wicked. To atone for his wickedness, he sacrifices the Son of God, who being one with God, is an apt substitution for God Himself.
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