Jesus is our lord and savior. Prove me wrong.

if i get trips i'll stop listening to black metal and become a hardcore chruch going christian

>>736557021

You aren't even trying anymore.

>>736557021
burden of proof, go look it up

sage

You're wrong because your homosexuality fucking slutty piece of christian shit

>>736557300
My proof is that Jesus is real and is the son of god.

>>736557300
Burden of proof -> Empirical philosophy utilizes inductive reasoning as its basis -> Likewise an inductive argument can be made for intelligent design

>>736557021
well, lord and savior are pretty vague terms that could mean almost anything.

is jesus a lord, meaning some kind of important man? yeah of course.

is jesus a savior, meaning someone that saves something? sure, i guess.

doesn't really mean anything.

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"Jesus was a trick on niggers!" - flannery o'connor

>>736557021
It's the truth.

Christ's light reaches even the deepest cesspool, that being /b/.

Even you degenerate hedonists can be saved. Only took an omnipotent entities sacrifice and power to save /b/... but he did it.

>>736557433
so the proof for jesus being our lord and savior is that he is real and the son of god?
thats like saying, there is a goblin fucking your ass right now and my proof is that he is super-natural.

Got anything better?

>>736557532
It means that he is the being to ever exist.

>>736557784
people saw him die on the cross for our sins

>>736557709
Fine, I'll just ask for redemption before I die, and poof, heaven for me.
I get to do whatever the fuck I want with my life till then, so get bent.

>>736557973
You do not know when you will die, therefore you must live your life the way christ told us too.

>>736557973
Yep, that's my plan.

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The burden of proof lies on the one who makes the claim. to suggest otherwise is to admit you've got fuck all in terms of evidence
*tips fedora, dusts off trenchcoat*

>>736557884
i dont believe that either.

I would agree that people claim that someone saw him die on a cross, but based on that i wouldnt even believe the dude existed.

I dont think anyone is this stupid, you must be trolling.

To be fair, there IS historical evidence of Christ. Any historian will laugh at you if you say that Christ never existed. The argument that people should be having is if the New Testament's stories line up historically, which is heavily debated with evidence on both sides of the argument.

>>736558365
There is zero evidence for the Bible being historical and lots of evidence that it's not.

For instance the Jesus story says that there was a census. No such census took place around that time.

Lots more too

>>736557021
How can he a savior when the first thing he did in this world was to obliterate his virgin mother's? That shit must have hurt more than any cross.

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Yahweh, Jesus and Allah are myths. The Tanakh, The Bibles and The Quran are fiction. The Abrahamic Religions are cancers to mankind. It is truly mind blowing that people still believe in these dangerous Bronze age superstitions.

>>736557973
>>736558143

God is not fooled, if you genuinely feel sorry for what you did, you can be saved. But you will HAVE to be filled with TONS of regret and sorrow for your previous life for him to understand that your repentance is genuine.

If you think you're going to fool him, think again, not saying it isn't possible to be saved that late, but it's hard to come to a father that you've neglected your entire life when people are living holy and you continue to stew in the debauchery, you will begin to resent holy people and by extension, God. Your heart will be hardened to the word, making redemption much more difficult.

You will be happier if you start now, it's possible to repent late, but it will be more difficult.

Hitler is, because he decided to do the right thing and did nothing wrong.

>>736558617
How do you know that a census never took place? Were you there?

>>736558799
So I'll be sent straight to hell if I truly don't feel sorry? what a shit person this god of yours is.

>>736559027
>Were you there
>Burden of proof
This is the same shit argument you people use with
>Well, prove he is NOT real!!

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>>736558365
There isn't any empirical evidence for the existence of Jesus "The Christ". All sources such as Josephus etc. that Apologists use to try and hang their fairy tale on are now considered academic embarrassments when used to solidify the historicity of the Zombie Jew.

Technically all of Christ's teachings are what Western Civilization is founded upon, considering the one unifying factor of Western Civilization is that it is Christian.

His teachings of upholding the truth, individual fulfillment through virtue, and giving back to the community through selfless acts are what most of the Western World regards as the guiding principles of how to live. So you have nearly 2000 years of this influence building up all of European Achievement. By following his teachings, you are not only considering his words to be taken as commands like you would a Lord, but you also are regarding his words as something worth keeping, which means it can save you when you face a problem.

In this regard, all of those who do live in Western Civilization actually consider Jesus to be the Lord and Savior because your entire moral grounds are founded by his teachings.

So yes, he is. It doesn't even matter if he was a real person because people listened to his words anyway.

>>736558617

You're both right and wrong. The evidence of the NT being accurate rests that Christ was both baptized and crucified, and this is backed up through other historical documents, such as Tacitcus's records. With that being said, there are issues with the NT that clash with other historical documents, so it can really go either way.

This issue isn't black-and-white like a lot of people think.

>>736559027
Because we have records from back then.

These records tell us when censuses did take place. There wasn't one at that time.

Fucking hell, it's not that hard to figure out.

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Repent already /b/, accept zeus as you true. one and only god.

>>736559449
What if the record was lost?

>>736559380
Just because there was a preacher named Jesus - or yeshua rather - who pissed the Romans off and was crucified doesn't mean that's evidence that the nt is historically accurate.

Star trek said that aliens visited Roswell. Roswell really exists therefore star trek is real!

>>736559199

>academic embarrassments

Since when, and by who? Be specific. "Zombie Jew" really doesn't do well for your point.

>>736559609
Now you are grasping at straws. Even if the record was lost, we know King hered wasn't in charge then either. There also was no newborn slaughter because many people would have written about it. But no, all those other records got lost too, right?

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>>736559799

You really need to reread my post.

>>736560045
They did not record the killing of the newborns because they didn't want people to know of it

>>736560201
Other people aside from them would have recorded it. The only account of it is the Bible which isn't a case for arguing it's historically accurate

>>736560074
I did read it, I'm just saying that what you are considering evidence isn't all that strong. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that someone named Jesus was baptized around that time so that is evidence for the nt.

I don't agree that that constitutes evidence.

>>736557021
Amen

>>736560464
They killed everyone with records

>>736559815
We who have done our research know Yeshua Ben Yosef a.k.a. Jesus "The Chist" is a myth. Here are some helpful links to the truth:
www.jesusneverexisted.com/
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
http://godisimaginary.com/index.htm
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_history.htm
http://www.nazarethmyth.info/naz1article.html
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_historical_existence_of_Jesus_Christ
www.inquisitr.com/1504964/jesus-never-existed/
http://www.theskepticalreview.com/tsrmag/4mara95.html
http://www.alternet.org/belief/5-reasons-suspect-jesus-never-existed
https://whynogod.wordpress.com/
https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/adam-and-eve-the-ultimate-standoff-between-science-and-faith-and-a-contest/
http://www.churchofreality.org/wisdom/is_jesus_fiction/
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nigel-barber/if-jesus-never-existed-re_b_5883198.html
http://www.thegreatestlieevertold.co.uk/Home.html
http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/01/5_reasons_to_suspect_that_jesus_never_existed/
http://jdstone.org/cr/files/nohistoricalevidenceofjesus.html
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_27.htm
http://infidels.org/library/modern/quentin_smith/atheism.html
http://www.nairaland.com/121066/predominantly-atheist-countries-lowest-crime
http://www.alternet.org/story/154774/the_top_10_reasons_i_don't_believe_in_god
http://www.kyroot.com/?p=8#realworld
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_Exodus
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_literalism
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_God%27s_existence
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scientific_errors_in_the_Bible
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html

>>736560943
Except the writers of the Bible, right?

You have to be trolling.

>>736557021
unfalsifiable

>>736557021
satan killed jesus, satan is obviously more stronk

>>736557021
uuh, but Jesus aint Muhammad...

Satan is our Lord and Savior, don't even try and prove me wrong cause you cant.

>>736561038
They were protected by jesus

>>736560990
Shenanigans.
You could probably waste time trying to debunk the Buddha as well, but that doesn't mean he didn't exist.

Ever ask questions and get nowhere? Ever thought you could create something better? Ever realize just how crazy those people sound?

>>736557021
Prove me right faggot

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I 1up you

>>736561670
Well i... fuck you man

No replies are glorious, GLORIOUS SATAN BLESS ME WITH YOUR BABY DEMONS

>>736557021

What would you say if I asked you to give up your weekend? What if I told you, and you believed, that by giving up said weekend you would save every single person from death? I'm guessing you'd be pretty okay with giving up your weekend for that.

>Be Jesus, son of God, also God
>Be omniscient and omnipotent
>Having created man (imperfectly, but whatever), designs method to save man
>Must have a pure sacrifice to appease himself to make up for mankind's sins
>Takes on mortal form
>Lives to become a martyr
>Goes to the cross on a Friday
>Being omniscient (see bullet 2), knows that he will resurrect himself on Sunday

Jesus was willing to give up his weekend to save the entirety of the human race from hell.

>>736557474
so some scientist saying that even after billions of years, humanity existing is still a mathematical impossibility isn't enough? or just wrong?

>>736558184
faith is our schtick
evidence is yours.

>>736559263
no its not just because Western Civilization is based upon reason not Christianity because we don't use the same laws the bible uses like any man working on sunday will be killed or if she is not a virgin on the wedding night stone her to death and other examples, not only that creationism is not taught in public schools since the late 1800, plus there is no proof that god created the world

Prove yourself right.

>>736560990
Notice alot of those are just anti God rhetoric.

>>736559199
>Zombie Jew
I think you mean Lich Jew.
You see, after Zombies are reanimated, they retain their bodies i. e. they have the wounds that killed them, but they lose their personalities and higher-level thinking.
Liches retain both their mortal bodies and intellects.

>>736557021

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither willing, nor able? Then why call him God?

>>736557021
>Jesus is our lord and savior.
Prove it.
>Prove me wrong.
You can;t prove yourself right. You have made a claim so the burden of proof is on you.
Also, if you need to convince other ppl, you clearly aren't so sure yourself...?
Faith is tricky, isn't it?

Jesus does not spell lord or saviour.
That and he was a Jew, he was in the magician business for the money and making all those desert monkeys think he was a prophecy.

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>>736560683

I'm not making an argument, I'm just stating what both sides of the debate think. Some people think that the New Testament is historically viable, while others don't. Both have their evidence and merit, it's not a question that can be answered with a simple "yes" or "no".

>>736560990

>jesusneverexisted.com
>historically viable

Come on now.

>>736562813
Evil is meant to test our faith in him.

>>736562813
Better question.
What if we are all just immortal souls that choose to be here because we know it is temporary and we live forever?
Then all your questions are just questions, because we can choose to be whatever we want.
Why choose to be poor?
I dont know, why always play video games set in medieval esque times with magic and shit.
Cause from an outside perspective, we think we got it all figured out.

like when sports fans what football and say how to call better plays and shit.

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>>736562813
why doesnt God just kill the devil if the devil is bad?
Seems like an odd question to ask a parent to murder their child.
Even if he's an asshole.
Not a parent, sooooo

>>736562813
I think that is the strongest proof for the existence of Jesus. (We are assuming the existence of God, and trying to determine who is the correct one).
If one assumes there is a God, he must be an evil God. God creates evil and thusly must take responsibility for it. Being responsible for evil makes him wicked. To atone for his wickedness, he sacrifices the Son of God, who being one with God, is an apt substitution for God Himself.

>>736557021
why? i prayed twice the other day, and received both of my wishes.