Is it possible to get a military grade ballistic vest legally?

http://www.ar500armor.com/

>>736276484
with a permit, yea

>>736276538

>>736276484
>military grade
why do people think that is a stamp of quality?

>>736276484
infowars.com

>>736276484
It is

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>>736276484
>Milliary grade
That just means it's the bare minimum quality that the lowest bidder could provide. Also try regular ol' eBay.

>>736276705
it only costs more.. not always better

>>736276544
I don't need a permit in my state.

>>736276484
So, lowest cost for DoJ level IIIa standards?

Only useful once. What would be the point? Gonna buy 10 of them?

>>736276705
this. military shit is low quality garbage. the contracts go to the lowest bidder.

>>736277388
its rating is guaranteed for 1 shot
it is still effective after that

>>736277388
How many times do you plan on getting shot at?

Make yer own lazy faggot.

What do you intend to shoot up?

>>736277511
Where could I get a high quality ballistic vest?

Why? Are you working on a new cosplay outfit?

>>736277670
You're right. When he gets in a shoot out with the police, it would just be wasted money if he bought more than one.

>>736277741
just put together a pad of 250 layers of gorilla tape and cut into the proper shape.

>>736277918
Jesus christ you can buy Kevlar for reasonable price.

>>736278152
gorilla tape is cheaper.

>>736278247
Yes - you really want to risk your life using the cheaper alternative.

>>736276544
If you live in non fun allowed states, here in GA I own a couple sets of armors The newest one being the PlateMinus with IIIA soft armor panels. It is the lightest armor I own right now.

>>736277670
5 times

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>>736278415
These are my low vis plate carriers, PlateMinus has the soft armor the Blackhawk and LBT has AR500 plates in them

>>736278799
This shit is great for long range protection, but close in combat this is worthless.

>>736277743
I made some dumbass bet at a party where whoever drinks the least amount of whiskey has to get shot 5 times. I threw up at shot 10 and now I have to find a high quality ballistic vest

>>736279078
With what caliber? I am assuming point blank?

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>>736279078
Get shot with what? Rifle or pistol? I've personally tested some AR500 plates, it held up against .308 and no round ever went through the best it can do it push a plug out which is survivable.

Even stopped a .50BMG round, second round ripped through it.

>>736279078
I hope you spend a shit load on a vest, only to get shot in the foot... Fucking idiot...

>>736278415
>>736278799
But what do you use them for?

>>736279078
Man your friends are awesome.

No way one of them is walking away with a manslaughter charge.

>>736276484
Depends on which country you live in

>>736279455
>>736279455

Not going to assume that you don't know what you're talking about here, but for others reading this thread who aren't aware; You don't bear armor with a larger round. You beat it with a hotter round.

The same goes for kevlar soft body armor. You could get a .50 cal hand gun and some soft armors can stop it. Meanwhile you could get a relatively normal rifle round and it would go straight through it like it was butter.

When defeating armor it's not the size of the round that matters, it's the speed of the bullet. Harder core bullets can help, but even a steel core or green tip won't penetrate hardened plate without the speed it needs.

So yeah, the trick to armor isn't size - it's speed. Find hotter ammunition and suddenly those normal FMJs become armor piercing.

>>736276740
not really, it isn't even the best quality/price. for ballistic vests, get a steel plate core, not that kevlar stuff, if you want to take on more than handguns

>>736279455
pistol

>>736277279
>DoJ

Get DEA. Distance from edge is 1" instead of 3" and can take more than 1 shot. Get a type 2 vest with type 3/4 plates or spend $6000 on dragon scales.

>>736279808
E=mv^2 so yeah, speed is much more important than mass. but what is even more important is bullet geometry. hp vs fmj etc.

>>736279808
>Find hotter ammunition
Elaborate? Like High velocity ammo? Is that a thing? Or do I just play too many video games

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>>736279491
Just for personal protection, keep one in the car with my rifle. They are low vis so I can wear them under my coat.

>>736279808
Oh I know you'd be dead if you get with with .50BMG the kinetic energy would cause massive internal damage

The armor are made for smaller calibers and if you have the money double up on plate and soft armor will greatly increase your chance of surviving. I've shot the plate with XM193 ammo out of 16" barrel at 75 yard, didn't go through at all. Only one made it through hit near where the 7.62x54r hit before. It's metal fatigue not much you can do.

Also keep in mind if you are wearing armor and you get hit once, you are not going to stand up and say "Is that all you got?" I'd hit the deck and count my lucky star and get the FUCK out of there.

>>736280421
different caliber usually means different speed. look up the kinetic energy of a round, that's what matters

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>>736280147
Pistols... get AR500 with some kind of coating for the front so you don't get spalling under your chin.

>>736280515
>Just for personal protection
Are you a bounty hunter? Don't see the need for it unless your job requires you to put yourself in harms way regularly.

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>>736280421
Hotter ammo usually means more powder which increase the velocity of the projectile - like XM193 ammo it has same projectile as 55gr but XM193 travel at 3165 +/- 40 FPS while regular 5.56 ammo runs about 3050 FPS with 55gr ammo

>>736280793
>need
there's that word

>>736280981
So you wear it for fashion?

If only people who "needed" body armor got it, then the body armor companies would be out of business.

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>>736280793
I thought this is America, we can do what ever the fuck we want.

>>736281047
I'm not the guy that owns it, but why exactly do you care what people do with their money?

Best body armor is tnt, no one shoots at someone covered in tnt

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>>736281047
> fashion
How retarded are you? He said he wear it under his coat

>>736281134
>>736281108
>>736281068
Not judging or arguing. Just trying to wrap my head around why someone would want one. OP made his case. I understand that now.

Maybe from a collectors standpoint, or again someone with a dangerous job, or if you lived in a war torn country or plan on getting in a shootout.

There are cheaper ways to impress your friends. I'd just feel silly buying one, and never having the opportunity arise to even worry about having it on.

>>736278333
Kevlar, will not stop you from dying you literal idiot.

>>736281202
So he wears it to keep warm? Is the dude getting shot at or not? Or just an Expensive safety blanket?

>>736280902

This. 5.56 M193 from an 18" barrel, and likely some 16" barrels, will provide enough velocity to penetrate AR500 at close range.

>>736281375
I think a lot of people who buy it want it for an unlikely shit hit the fan scenario. It's also good for possible home invasion if you have time to put it on.

>>736281519
he's just a retard autismotron

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go to thinkgeek, get a bulletproof clipboard for $45.

>>736280421
>>736280421

It's a think. The sweet spot is usually around 3,000 feet per second. If you can get to 3,200 feet per second you'll be piercing AR500 armor plates in a vest (depending on thickness, of course).

You can increase the velocity by either packing more powder in the round or by extending the barrel of your rifle. Generally the longer the barrel the more time those gases have to work on pushing that round. So if you were shooting an already "hot" round out of a 24 inch barrel that fucker is going to be screaming through that plate.

>>736281375

Why wouldn't you want body armor? If you ever need it, at least you will have it. Just like I don't 'need' SBRs and suppressors, but I enjoy having them and would definitely use them for home defense. It takes forever to get your form 1s approved by the ATF, but it is worth the wait in my opinion.

>>736281932
>Why wouldn't you want body armor?
Seems kind of hot. I live in Florida so I tend to travel light regardless. Or felt my life to be in enough danger to spend the money on something like that.

I don't really find needless spending on any level all that important. I prefer my car to run well than look good. It's all status symbols and frivolity.

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>>736282560
GA is hot too not as hot as FL. But it's one of those "Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it"

>>736282816
>>736282816

Plates or no plates?

>>736277670
in movies guys get shot 50+ times

>>736279491
getting shot duh

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>>736282904
I have both now, use to plate only. Now I am really debating on switching to soft armor. I need to test these soft armor out first before I throw down more money on them.

>>736282560
be like 50 cent and wear a bulletproof vest instead of a shirt

>>736283068
what am i looking at here

I'm trying to understand the "permit" or "not legal in my state"

It's ARMOR...what are going to do to kill someone?, throw it??..

Jesus duck

>>736283562
right?

>>736283562
you need government approval to get shot

>>736276484
you need a rook main

>>736283562
Some states doesn't allow civilians to own armors, I think CA and NY are first two states comes to mind. Rest of the state have rules like "can't wear armor while committing crime"

>>736283068
It's a FNX in hot Texas sun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdTsFB1ejo8

>>736281375
I just need mine for robbing banks dude.

I never understood why the fuck you need a permit for nonlethal defensive tools like pepper spray, tasers, and other things. Feels like liberals are just trying their hardest to render the general populace as defenceless as possible.

>>736283716
>It's a FNX in hot Texas sun
whoah wtf

>>736284034
i fucking hate that its moving towards being like bongistan where its illegal to defend yourself and you pretty much have to lay down and die

>>736283716
fucking NY and cali.

It's ARMOR,

It's like,

ME:hey I don't want a gun for defense how about some ARMOR?

NY and CALI: no, you have no need for it, it's DANGEROUS.

Me:ok, Wal-Mart it is for an AR15

NY and CALI: right idea wrong implementation, AR15 looks intimidating....we banned it.

ME: Glock hand gun?

Ny and CALI: much safer than ARMOR, you children can play with a goo k. In fact, Its a RIGHT, unlike ARMOR.

Jesus fuck, and they wonder why trump.won.

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>>736283994
You gonna need some serious firepower now, thanks to the duo from North Hollywood robbery/shooting police are armed with much better firearms to stop armored bad guys.

>>736284166
Typo play with glock

>>736284245
44 minutes of target practice
all hell's breakin loose
*guitar solo*

>>736284245
oh man i read up on that story whenever im bored, that shit is so insane

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>>736284166
> gook

During the LA riot in 1992 they had roof Korean protecting the shopping center

>>736284365
>roof Korean
>roof korean is best korean

>>736284357
I can not find the footage of pistol bullet bounce off some of the guy. I remember seeing that live as it happened.

>>736281375
You don't need seat belts, they're a waste of material. You don't need a car. You don't need air conditioning it's bad for the environment.
>>736284120
Britbongs will find some way to defense this by saying AMERIFATS LOLOLOLOL while presenting no valid argument. You'll see, that, or some yurop is going to be like "why would you ever need to defend yourself what kind of shithole do u live in crime NEVER EVER happens in good areas xdxd" little fun fact here, you're more likely to get murdered than die in a car accident, yet you wear seat belts. You never argue "OOH WHAT KIND OF AREA DO U LIVE IN THAT HAS SHITTY DRIVERS" Because that would be stupid, SHITTY drivers are everywhere, yes in some areas they're more common, but they're everywhere. "JUST DON'T DRIVE AFTER 6:00 PM LOL" Accidents happen before 6. The wording changes, but the idea behind every anti gun or anti self defense argument remains the same and has been rebutted.
>>736284365
Perfect example of why guns are necessary if you don't like being completely helpless in a situation like that. Police did jack shit during that.

>>736284357
i saw it on a tv show a few times damn it was badass

>>736284441
>pistol bullet bounce off some of the guy
holy fuck

>>736284986
It is when he was reloading the AK drum mag and the round hit his head and snap his head back a little then he finish reload and turn towards where he was shot from and just spray the AK

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>>736281047
To be fair, Kevlar is sexy....

>>736285147
wtf??
so they were wearing helmets too?
i couldnt tell, I thought it was just on their bodies.
thats fucking insane

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>>736285390
Ballistic masks

>>736283716
>>736283716

CA had some issues with these guys once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E4_wDQFky0

>>736284548
I don't wear seat belts, but they're standard regulation for cars these days.

I do need a car, because my job isn't at the local gas station.

I don't need AC but it makes my nuts feel good.

When people like you act like this, I think of my friend from high school who wore a trench coat because he thought it made him look cool.

If you just want this for no reason other than to have it, you live in a fantasy world.

>>736285528
Nice job a dressing my argument. You sure showed me and define tell didn't prove my point at all

>>736284365
Did you just watch LA 92 also?

Shit was in tents

>>736285459
I've always wondered:
Ok, you have a bullet proof mask. How does that effect your neck/spine? Taking a shot to the face has gotta hit you with some serious whiplash.

>>736285690
Do you ever wear it? When do you feel the desire to put it on?

I get use out of my toys. Do you?

>>736284365
>>736284365

I did this with a couple family members at a gun shop some family friends owned in Santa Ana. We weren't sure if she was going to hit the fan in other areas, and Santa Ana isn't exactly filled with high rollers. We weren't going to let any of those fucks get anywhere near the gun store, either. We had tons of coolers on the roof and had an nice BBQ.

>>736285863
I don't even own a vest moron, just because you're okay with getting gangraped by tyrone and his buddies, doesn't mean everyone else has to be. Once again, you did nothing against my argument.

>>736285528
wait you dont wear seat belts? why? i never will understand this argument, you are not better than inertia, seatbelts are one of the biggest modern lifesavers of the current generation.

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>>736285769
I am sure the whiplash would cause injury but it's better than having a hole in your head. Also they were on PCP so they felt very little pain.

>>736285905
so you LARPed? sounds fun

>>736285690
>a dressing
>define

Jesus Christ sober up before trying to make a point. Or at the very least proof read.

>>736285459
ohhhh

>>736286036
that's not true at all. they did take a drug, but not PCP.
>Before entering, they took the barbiturate phenobarbital, prescribed to Mătăsăreanu as an anticonvulsant, to calm their nerves.[21]

>>736286009
They chafe my neck.

Body armor is a great idea in any home defense situation. Personally I have an IBA with plates under my bed that I can throw on very quickly. An old surplus IBA is ideal because it goes on with two panels in the front instead of over the head, faster implementation. Remember all of your walls in your home are concealment, not hard cover, most pistol rounds will sail right on through most of your home. Unless you have sandbags placed in your wallboard.

While you might look like an autist it is a nice thing to have at certain ranges/for shooting and sometimes a requirement for certain training courses encase you get shot on accident.

ar500 armor you dont need a permit or licence to own any body Armor as far as i know, in the united states, lvl 4 can take 7 shots froma 7.62x39

>>736286005
Yes... a simple vest is going to prevent a gangrape... you're losing cohesion here

>>736286114
er, are you under 5'3? there is no seatbelt design that goes over your neck, it shouldnt, that's retarded, that would cause an instant dislocation in the event of an accident. normal seatbelts go around your waist and transverse your torso from your right hip to your left shoulder (in drivers seat)

>>736285520
>2 injured cops seek help in doctors office
>its a dentist
lol

>>736276484
What's so special about it that would make it restricted? All the materials used inside it can be bought easily I would assume so it's not like someone couldn't just make their own.

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>Slay a fucking dragon
>Craft a Dragon Scale shield
Deflect attacks like a real man

>>736286192
I drive a Hyundai

>>736286009
ikr?
peeves me so damn much
"ugh they're uncomfortable"
get fuckt

>>736286058
Still not adressing my argument. Basically what you're saying is, since you feel unsafe because I want to defend myself, tough luck for me. Okay, let's turn this around.
>>736285528
You want seat belts in your car? Tough luck, install them yourself.
Your job is far from your house? Tough luck, get up earlier
See?
>>736286186
Of course I'm referring to gun ownership. But since it seems you can't pit two and two together, and my point still stands 100 percent and you haven't done anything to disprove it, I'll put it in simple words you can understand.
YOU NO LIKE GUN, BUT ME WANT TO PROTECT SELF. NOT EVERYONE BALLESS FAG
>>736286192
Of course he's a little liberal manlet. He's scared of a regular guy being able to defend himself.

>>736285905
are you asian?

>>736286113
>to calm their nerves
so thats why they were moving like sloths kek

>>736286438
oh
then you must be under 5 foot

>>736276484
In the United States it is completely legal, as long as you are not a felon, and do not use it in the commission of a crime. I own the concealable set from ar500.

>>736286469
Man you're mad.

Mommy not make your tendies right tonight?

Why are you talking about cars and their safety features? Are those luxury items and their varying usefulness really comparable to armor that will collect dust in your trunk?

>>736286785
Not.
An.
Argument.

>>736286438
i still dont understand, can you take a picture of yourself in the drivers seat or something? i know that's ridiculous, but if a seatbelt goes over your neck, that would make it more dangerous than not having a seatbelt, in any crash over 25 MPH that's instant neck dislocation

>>736286924
not him but it is, he is arguing that seatbelts are are more useful contraption for saving your life than body armor, due to their frequency of usage. a seatbelt will come into play much more often in an everyday citizen's life than body armor will.

>>736276484
I don't think you need any kind of license to buy from Crye or Mayflower or ar500 at least.

>>736286785
>if anyone responds ill just call them mad

>>736286993
but he clearly argued that more people die from murder than car accidents, making body armor more useful

>>736286939
Dude its 4 in the morning.

>>736280515
haha that picture fanneh

>>736286993
Can you read? Just because you don't get shot EVERY DAY doesn't mean one day someone won't try your life. You don't have accidents every day, but, you still learning seat belts.

>>736281202
i love when guns and boobies

>>736286499
>>736286499

No I'm not Asian. I'm whiter than Casper. Santa Ana is in Orange County but a bunch of Mexicans live there and everyone in the State was getting uppity.


>>736286037
>>736286037

With several high powered rifles. Does that count as LARPing?

>>736276705
Because they think it means mil spec, which would be worth the price if it was in anyway possible to test trauma plates without ruining them. But it isn't.

>>736276484
it would be cool as shit if we could make vests like this standard apparrel for normies. it is like a sure sign of mental illness to walk around with this thing on.

>>736287127
Alright fgt, same poster, you win because I'm tired af. Goodnight.
>>736287322
There are thinner ones you can wear under clothing.

>>736287127
can you logically deduce? his argument is that seatbelts come into play much more often for the average citizen than body armor. magnitudes more often in fact. The average person in america, during the course of their lifetime, is involved in 3-4 road accidents. the average person in america, during the course of their lifetime, has a chance of involvement in a shooting of "The odds of being murdered using a firearm in the US in a given year are about 30,000 to 1. If you aren't engaged in some sort of criminal enterprise, and don't live in a violent domestic situation, your odds are much, much lower, around 150,000 to one"

it's common sense to wear a seatbelt, but it is not common sense to wear body armor, as it is not common in america to be shot, even with what europeans say

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About $250 for basic 4 plates ar500 armor and the vest. If you want all that extra shit then obviously the price goes up

>>736286924
You never understood my point to begin with. You think I dislike guns or that people want to protect themselves.

All I have ever been talking about is practicality and usefulness. Sure, you can protect yourself like you're going into a battlefield, but that's not practical for everyday.

I use my car every day. I don't get shot at often. So weighing the value of my dollar, I would choose something I might get use out of. I'm not here to tell anyone how top spend their money. But I would think most people would see it as a silly expenditure, when you have no use for it, and the chances of using it are slim to none.

You can argue better safe than sorry, but that's not a good argument, because I could choose to live in a decontaminated padded bubble to be safe, but that isn't much of a life, now is it?

Get the sand out of your vagina. this is /b/. Not everything is an argument

>>736287184
if you didnt shoot anyone, yes you're LARPing. clearly the situation was overblown by you and people associated with you

>>736287415
but if u cant see it - its no fun. i wanna look like fitty cent.

>>736287322
I wear concealable body armor all the time for Craigslist deals.

>>736287074
that's an argument that holds no weight in factual evidence though, but im sure you're well aware of that with your ostracizing tone heh

>>736287429
You do know ballistic armor doesnt JUST protect you from bullets, right?

>>736287508
kek that is a good idea mayne. ppl from the internet cray

>>736287100
and? my car is less than 100 feet from my room, i could easily go in there and take a picture of me sitting in there with the seatbelt fastened. im really curious because if what you say is true, they are looking at a lawsuit in the immediate future when some manlet crashes

>>736287127
You could also get bit by a shark in the ocean. Should we just stop doing that or can I make the choice to get in because I'm not a pussy worrying about "what if"

>>736287477
this is fairly similar to the argument presented here
>>736287429

>>736287557
extrapolate please. im not even trolling, im genuinely interested.

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Did somebody said BULLETPROOF ????

>>736287593
Then you take a picture of you and your car.

How the hell do you expect to get the scale of my stature from a selfie anyway?

>>736287679

you know that high speed projectiles (like a shitty FN-90) can penetrate also type IV vests on a 1000ft range, don't you?

wikipedia is your friend, albeit a gay one

>>736287756
i dont care about your stature. i care about it relative to the seatbelt, because if what you claim is true, that it "chafes your neck", that's a huge legal issue for hyundai down the road.

but judging from your defensiveness, you probably are a manlet.

id take a picture but no one wants to see my 6'1 frame in a '08 volkswagen jetta

>>736287632
Not.
An.
Argument.

>>736276484
Build a bunker. Much more protection.

>>736286320
Mah nigger

>>736287743
Yes, those "Vest" Peasants did

>>736287846
i dont see how that answers my question. other anon said it doesnt JUST protect from bullets, but you bring up bullets.

>>736287679
Pretty much any kind of blunt force or sharp weapons going for your mid body
>>736287629
It's not illegal to get in the ocean, if you're scared, you have the choice to not swim. You also have the choice to live in an insulated padded bubble, the key here is CHOICE, if you don't like it, doesn't mean I don't. Maybe I like the idea of being safe at only the cost of having some extra weight under my clothes. Maybe I like the Idea of being able to kill someone if they're trying to kill me and not just sit there and not lay down and die like some faggot. Ballistic armor may not be entirely practical, but sure as hell guns are. You saw the chungchings defending their shop right?

>>736287920
simply saying "not an argument" doesnt make it true.

maybe you should reread the bottom linked post, it seems you didnt fully understand the argument presented there

>>736287885
Ok. Just hold on. I'll have a picture for you soon.

>>736287973
>Pretty much any kind of blunt force or sharp weapons going for your mid body
oh gotcha, appreciate it, although not super applicable to me

>>736287988
appreciate it anon, i legitimately am not trying to belittle your or anything, just find it insane that a seatbelt in a modern car goes over one's neck.

>>736287978
>simply saying "not an argument" doesnt make it true.
You don't say

>>736288033
It's kind of sad because the areas where people need these things the most are always the areas where they're banned.

>>736288110
good argument. please respond when you have something substantial to post

>>736288062
>appreciate it
Dammit dude.
Are you really going to make me feel bad for lying to you for the past hour?

Literally the only truth I've posted in this thread has been that it was 4 in the morning. Doesn't really matter if you think I'm a manlet, but in truth I like how the seat belt hugs me. The pressure and constraint is comforting.

I'm going to bed. Sorry no picture

>>736288307
you feel bad...? about lying to a stranger on the internet...? i dont give a fuck man, i wouldnt feel bad about it.

so you've lied about the seatbelt chafing your neck, which i anticipated, because that doesnt make any fucking sense.

> Doesn't really matter if you think I'm a manlet
you are a manlet. no one tall posts this kind of shit, or even thinks about posting this kind of shit, we dont feel a need to defend ourselves like you manlets.

have a good night

>>736279078
god damn you guys are hardcore

get a piece of lexan with a gauge that can hold up to the caliber used

try mcmastercarr or industralmetals

>>736287444
I thought you needed to be a PMC or an athrouty figure to buy stuff like this. Didn't know it can be sold to the public

>>736288924
authority*

>>736276484
Yes. If you are not military, it costs more. If you are not paramilitary, it costs even more. Etc. Etc. It costs the most to private citizens, also putting you on a list. Not because the vest makes you dangerous, but the list is more like a "He bought this, he must be planning shome shit" list.

>>736289091
Would they come to your house and question you if you bought 5 vests? I dont know anything about the US

>>736287479
>>736287479

Yeah, because a city being burned down in a massive riot just a short drive away isn't anything to worry about. Especially when there were riots breaking out all over CA and other parts of the country. Totally over blown to think we should defend a fucking gun store from possible looters and rioters.

Fucking idiot ...

>>736289209
dude I sell vests on Ebay and no one has ever questioned me no one gives a fuck

>>736276484
In the USA, yes

I am curious. OP says he needs a ballistics vests? Why? Do you do some testing with ballistics and want it for extra safety?

>>736279078
So the guy who drinks the least puts his life on the line. Your group of peers seem like a pretty toxic environment to be in.

>>736286320
What he said