Try going Vegan for 30 days

>>736239484
Vegetarian here. Close to vegan but I doubt I could do it. It ain't easy being cheese-less.

>>736239484
fuck off fagget kys
yea im the edgiest guy around

>>736239734
They got lotsa fake cheese that takes just like the real thing. Gotta look harder though. Stuff at the big-stores all tastes like melted plastic and felt markers

>>736239484
I'd rather go shoot Bambi in the face then eat him, you do you though. Faggot.

>>736239484
No.
Because then it means I'll actually have to talk to people to tell them I'm a vegan.

>>736239734
Try avocado as a replacement for cheese

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>>736239799

Sounds like it tastes horrible and is expensive...ill pass

>>736240176
You know nothing about it look into it and give it a go

>>736239484
Give me $400USD to restock my pantry with vegan foods and I'll do it.

I ain't paying for it out of my pocket.

>>736239484
We didn't spend those millions of years evolving so I can gaze like a dumb sheep. I choose to exercise my status as an apex predator and dine on tasty, tasty animals.

They'd eat me in a heartbeat if they could.

>>736239484
I did, then I got sick. I went to the doctor, told him what was up, he did some tests and apparently my nutrition uptake is so low that being vegan would actually kill me in the long run.

>>736239484
I dont eat a lot of meat because I know it's unhealthy but I wont cut it out of my diet. Im a human not a farm animal

>>736240169
Apes have a greater digestive system to break down cellulose, you retard. No matter how many vegetables you eat, you will still be a skeleton.

>>736240328
plant based diet

>>736240292
I do, ive seen it, no animal products whatsoever? Specialty foods? The means shelling out MORE money for shittier tasting food.

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>>736239734
This. Fake cheese is even shittier than fake meat, which is already pretty fucking bad.

Waste of time, if we can't continue to eat meat we won't be able to sustain the planet anyways.

Not only do I enjoy eating meat, I enjoy knowing that the animal that has been killed was treated poorly.

I avoid cruelty free/free-range/whatever else kind of vegan bullshit people try to mark up to sell at inflated prices.

>>736239867
>fake cheese
kys yourself
I'm from Gouda, I'd rather die than eat shitty imitation cheese

>>736240043
Honestly, I think killing and eating meat is OK; that's not the problem. The problem is animals being all fucked up in factories to produce meat. If the fucker has a "normal" life in the wilderness and is too stupid to escape some drunk hick with a rifle, he deserves to die.

>>736240851
Poorly treated animals taste worse though.

>>736239484
Unlikely. I enjoy my diet and I'm going through a bulk phase. Its hard enough to find the protein I need to keep up with the juice and my digestive system is already pitching a fit, I don't need to add points of beans into the equation.

>>736240931
Cruelty is a subtle flavor only true carnivores can appreciate.

>>736240892
How about free range organic farms?
Most farm animals have been changed to the point that they couldn't survive in the wild anyway.
Also a cows concept of heaven is a place with plenty of grass, where they can hang out with their best cow friend, free from predators.
Which is what a free range farm is.

Yea just eat rice and beans like a poor person, it is not complicated or difficult or shocking.

>>736241062
Then how can you taste it?
Carnivore isn't a label you put on, it's a specific way for a body to work.
Are you claiming to be a sentient carnivore, who not only learned english, but also figured out the internet?

>>736240931
this. especially chicken.
they inject chicken with shitloads of water so they can charge more for the same chicken
freerange chicken is the way to go

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>>736239484

>>736241076
Free range is a joke. Instead of cages, they're chained up. There is no real difference, other than how they're bound.

>>736240892
That is probably the most surprising response to hunting I've ever gotten out of anyone claiming to be vegan. Usually get nothing but hate for hunting and even fishing. It's kinda refreshing.

Personally I'm planning to cut out as much store bought as I can in favor of meat I hunted or caught and produce I grow myself.

>>736241224

prechichly

>>736239867
I love when vegans pretend like their substitute foods taste good.

Not trolling; I truly believe veganism is a mental illness. Don't get me wrong, I applaud the commitment to doing something which you think is going to make a difference to the planet.

But there is a fundamental flaw. Humans aren't designed to be vegan. Your body does not want you to be vegan. If you are not listening to your body then you are dissociating from a part of yourself. Just as much as any fat McDonalds diabeetus whale, alcoholic or drug addict.

The planet doesn't need people denying their own nature and their physiological needs, it needs people who can be true to themselves. Because if you can't be true to yourself you're no use to anyone else.

>>736241202
Yeah and freerange chicken breasts are expensive, tiny as fuck, and dry as dirt meat. You forgot to specify that you fucking mongoloid

>>736240414
>>736240169
gorillas eat meat, too

>>736239484
Veganism is a functionally incomplete diet. You are NOT getting the full set of nutrients that you require.

Not without eating enriched food or taking multi-vitamins.

Just google "B12 deficiency". you'll get "pernicious anemia" and vegan shit. One is a medical condition, the other is a mental condition.

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>>736241192
If there can be 50+ genders on the internet, then yes, I am a sentient carnivore who speaks English and uses the internet.

I don't see how this is such a hard concept to grasp.

>>736241276
Huh is that how it works where you live?
Free range where I live, entails actual fields, where the cows can move about and graze.
Sounds like you need to tighten up some laws in your country.

>>736239484
But why? It is very unhealthy. Humans wouldn't have evolved with a higher brain capacity if it wasn't for meat. Unless you have digestive issues with all animal biproducts, you are doing something that makes no sense.

>>736241406
Oh so make believe, good to know. Then I can dismiss your opinion.

>>736241062
Sedate animals bodies don't have the kind of physique or build that wild animals have. The cheap meat you eat is cheap for a reason; it's shit. If you're going to act like you're proud of your tastes, don't be retarded and act like the most generic shit is the cream of the crop.

>>736241360
Me
>>736241391
Not me, but someone else thinks it's a mental illness

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>>736241543
And I can dismiss yours, as well.

>>736241564
And don't act like gamey, tough meat is the cream, either.

>>736239484
I've done it for longer than that. I always go back. I quit dairy for the estrogenic affects only to learn that soy has worse. When I gained some weight I got a personal trainer who had me eating more meat in a meal than I would in a week otherwise and I can actually see my abs now.

>>736241790
Go right ahead, I'll eat meat that actually tastes good, with no antibiotics and as little cruelty I can get.

>>736241564
Yeah, 'cos in the wild, cows run around all the time, not like the domesticated ones who live in fields and just stand around all day eating.

The cow must be the pinnacle of vegan evolution. Is this what vegans aspire to?

>>736241564
I'd like to counterpoint with veal and foie gras.

Not exactly. The flavor of meat has more to do with diet than activity level. Activity affects texture and marbling, yes, but you don't want an animal that has engaged in serious work for most of it's life because it will be tough and dense. What you really want is a balance. I'm part of a co-op where I essentially buy half a cow a year and know the exact conditions and diet it was raised on.

Dietarily, though, protein is protein. Yes, there are other vitamins and minerals that factory farmed foods lack, but I can (and, due to my lifestyle, do) supplement those as necessary.

>>736240892
this

>>736239484
The OP said "try going vegan for 30 days". Not "i am vegan and therefore better than you". Yall should chill out and try something new for once, granted maybe not a whole month but maybe a week. Also get off 4chan, this, like red meat causes cancer of the brain and ass at an alarming rate.

>>736242010
Are you disregarding the guilt trip in the op picture?
It basically implies that if you don't you're a horrible person that hates the planet.

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no thanks

>>736242010
Going vegan for a week or a month isn't "trying something new" its a radical dietary shift. I ate at a vegan restaurant owned by a friend last night and had a kale burger and a really nice garlic roasted cauliflower side. It was a cool change of pace. I'd also already met my protein reqs for the day and had my yogurt so I can shit regularly.

>>736242010
OK, I'll offer OP a similar challenge. Try ignoring the urge to pee for 30 days. Or, try ignoring any emotion you might have.

This is veganism, it's not listening to your physiology.

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>>736241360
I believe vegans and vegetarians statistically lead longer lives than the average. If you know what deficiencies are common when you don't eat meat, it's very easy to compensate for that.

Also vitamin b12 is a badass molecule

>>736240169
Gorilla's eat meat my dude. It's okay that you're retarded, it's probably the lack of protein in red meats. It's really good for the brain. Vegetables taste good though, you've got that

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I'd rather not be nutritionally deficient

Seems like OP has left, or was just shit stirring. OP, If you are for real, I'd like you to reply to this.
>>736241360
>>736241360

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Here's how this will pan out, veganfags.

>campaign to convert everyone slowly succeeds
>more and more land used for vegetables, grain, and soy
>fewer and fewer animals being bred for animal products
>eventually nobody in the world eats meat or uses any animal product
>yay, the vegan dream is a success
>pigs, cows, chickens and sheep are all extinct

Do you imagine cattle are going to be roaming around happily getting pats on the back from humans? Literally, if nobody makes money from breeding these animals, they will be extinct in a hundred years.

>>736240892

oh fucking please, you got a problem with "animals being all fucked up in factories" but you're just fine using a smartphone and a computer

drunk hick with a rifle, yea you're not a bigot at all

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>>736242384
like holy shit what the fuck

>>736240090
Avacado's great.

>>736242384
This doesn't answer my point about being in touch with your body. Every mental illness involves compensations; for a vegan these are supplements to help them maintain the illusion in their own minds that they are doing the right thing.

I have to go gluten free and that fucking sucks as it is. A lot of it tastes really flavorless I can't imagine the hellish existence that is being a vegan.

>>736242694
Avocado is great. Its not fucking cheese, though.

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>>736240169
>gorillas
>vegan

Oh god, this must be bait.

but what are we going to do about animals eating other animals? or animals eating insects? insects are alive too, just like plan....

>>736241280
vegan here

i have no problem with people who eat meat if they kill it themselves. what pisses me off is men who eat meat killed for them and claim it makes them manly. like go fuck yourself real men hunt for their food, it's feminine as fuck to eat meat someone has killed and skinned for you

my biggest hate is the people in the article below. i personally don't mind seeing hanging animals because at least people have to think about where it came from. people who eat sausages and don't know it's made from pig shouldn't be allowed to eat meat

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566242/The-market-butcher-forced-stop-displaying-meat-game-townies-object.html

>>736242384
any diet that requires supplementation is a dumb diet

>>736242711
I think understanding exactly what your diet entails and knowing how to make sure that you're getting everything you need is a lot more in-touch than just eating everything under the sun and hoping you get the right amounts of what you need.

>>736239484
badwiki.com has some good info on it.

>>736242849
Not vegan, but I had cheese made out of cashews that was pretty heckin good

>>736241352
it very rarely does, there are a couple that taste great confirmed by many of my meat eating m8s. vegan butter and linda mccartney sausages are the gold standard, everything else is pointless

the thing is with substitutes is they're like nicotine patches. you use them when you crave meat, and after that stops, you learn a completely new set of tastes and dishes. extremely easy once you're 2 months in

>>736242192
Its awesome that you tried that out and enjoyed but I dont believe if youre already eating fiber rich diet with plenty of fruits and vegetables that cutting meat out for a week is all that radical. Its a legitimate concern if you have a typical western diet of sausage for breakfast, a burger for lunch and steak for dinner but if youre already eating a healthy well rounded diet like anyone should be, eating micronutrient rich wholes foods exculsively for a week wont do anything bad to you.
If its macronutrient ratios that concern you try basing your diet on core foods like lentils or add hempseed to your meals. If youre getting 80g per day of protein nothing bad will happen regardless of how much mass you have.

>>736239484
Tried it, downed 3 chicken legends the moment it ended

>>736241360
it's the opinion of countless medical bodies and experts that it provides full nutrition when properly planned for

>>736243037
You have no idea how hierarchy worked in feudal ages or how the economy works in the modern world if you think it's feminine to eat meat that was prepared for you. Number 1, it's manly to eat meat because it's high in nutrients and so eating a little is really eating a lot. It's manly to eat a lot because it shows how much you must be doing to keep that food from showing in fat. Vegans sit on their ass all day. Try getting a working class job and being vegan. You'll starve you faggot

>>736239484
Why? It's not any better for the planet.

>>736243106
>eating everything under the sun and hoping you get the right amounts of what you need.

Which is exactly not what I'm saying. Our physiologies have a bizarrely accurate way of guiding us to eat properly if we listen to them. Have you ever considered why some people stay a constant weight? Are they thinking about every mouthful and every calorie? Of course not. But like everyone else, if they eat the equivalent of two slices of bread a day too much, they will put on 14lbs in a year. But they don't, because their body knows, and guides food intake.

>>736243061
doesn't require it, is just easier to get it that way

like you can get ripped without protein supplements but it makes it far easier when taking them. that doesn't invalidate the bulking diet

>>736243061
Supplementation doesn't have to be in the form of pills. I don't think most vegetarians *never* eat meat. I knew a whole group of people who ran a vegan restaurant who would semi-occasionally get together and have a cook out with wild game meat.

>>736243515
Which is entirely beside the point and exactly not what I'm saying. You haven't replied to my point at all. I'm not talking about nutritional value. You are either wilfully twisting my meaning or plain stupid.

Why don't I just start sucking cock for a month.

Both will leave me sick and with a bad taste in my mouth.

>>736243916
>I don't think most vegetarians *never* eat meat.
That's pretty much the definition of vegetarian. If you supplement your diet with occasional meat, you're not a vegetarian - you're just a healthy guy who doesn't eat meat that often...

>>736244119
As long as you don't swallow anon. Semen ain't vegan.

>>736243845
This is absolutely true. I get hungry after working hard. If I sit on my ass a whole weekend, I generally do live that weekend vegan. Fruit smoothie my nigger. Bet if I didn't work I'd accidentally fall into a mostly vegetarian diet

>>736239484
Stop being such a white knight, you fags couldn't be any more wrong about protecting the planet.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/earth/going-vegan-isnt-actually-th/

>>736243624
>feudal ages
everyone else was referring to the dawn of man when we were still evolving, not once society had begun
>vegans sit on their ass all day
okay yeah sure buddy nice one, plenty of elite athletes are vegan and there are numerous vegans working physically intensive jobs

>>736244487
>this athlete that focuses completely on diet and exercise for a living can do it!
Are you deliberately retarded?

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>>736239484

Good luck

>>736244402

most of these folks lay off bad food and they think that they are healthier because they are not eating meat

well it's not the meat, it's the sugar

sugar is the worst thing you can consume, if you don't drink sodas, or any beverage with sugars added, you're doing it right

lay off the candy, the sweets etc, but stop giving meat a bad rap

>>736244487
Dawn of man still had a hierarchy and I doubt the leader would be doing the dangerous work of hunting. Besides, even if they did, even if we pretend gorilla's don't eat meat, all of your bullshit vegan arguments are am appeal to nature, a huge logical fallacy. Eat meat and the protein will help with your brain you fucking retard

>>736244380
So you're saying vegans are all lazy, and their body is telling them they don't need need protein or vitamins.

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>>736241360
animal meat is supplemented with B12, the vitamin that comes from soil.

Therefore your diet, supplemented with b12, is a shitty diet.

True omnivores and carnivores do not get atherosclerosis from consuming animal LDL cholesterol, we do.

Anatomically speaking, we are designed in a similar fashion to herbivorous creatures. Check the science, look more into it. It's a mental illness to eat animal corpses and pretend to have no remorse for your body or the animal killed, that's why children are indoctrinated into to this act from a young age.

>>736244402

After reading that article I can say with certainty that you didn't.

>>736239484
I been a vegan for 8 years

>>736245038
Not lazy necessarily. Is an accountant who puts in 80 hours a week lazy? No, does he need to eat as much as the construction worker putting in similar hours? Probably not even close.

Ive done it. Can say its not worth it. I got used to it, but was weak, and when i went back to meat it wrecked me

>>736245070

comparing teeth as a method to attribute dietary function when you disregard the fact that one of those species can process and cook food and the rest cannot

>>736241391
>>736242502
see >>736245070

>>736241538
>humans did something in the past that benefited us, so we are justified in doing it now

going anywhere based on that logic would mean that I can justify rape and murder today, because humans benefited from it in the long run

>>736244669
you don't have to focus on your food and exercise to be a healthy vegan

you just have to keep a track on what you're eating throughout each day. if you don't suffer from a low iq it shouldn't occupy you for more than a couple of minutes every day

meat eaters have to be careful in what they eat
so they don't become fat, vegans have to be careful that they don't under eat. both require a similar level of planning and thought
>>736244954
i don't make the appeal to nature posts because they're retarted. there are plenty of things that are natural which you shouldn't do. i think there are far better reasons why you shouldn't eat meat

>>736245070
Oh look, it's a vegan of the religious flavor. Do your other vegan buddy op a favor, cease with the aggressive rhetoric and let him/her convince whoever they can with their milder rhetoric.

>>736245070
Check out the mouth of a pig. Nigger, you're summarizing an entire field of science into one info graph and you think that's smart?

>>736245070
[citation needed]

>>736245319
>dodges the entire chart and only mentions the teeth

The fact that we even HAVE to cook and process meat should be a sign that we aren't eating the right food for our bodies.

Carnivores and omnivores do NOT have to cook and process meat to consume it and be fine in the long run.

>>736245319
are you fucking retarded?

>>736245202
No, you never observed me reading it.

>>736245522
If you're against cooking food, any food plant or animal, you're against what enabled us to get to this point.
The discovery of fire and of cooking is what gave us the caloric amounts needed to grow a brain of our size.

>>736245652

you thinking this article is proving your point tells me you didn't.

>>736245785
I know it proves my point, it's benefit to the environment is negligible and would barely feed people on top of it.

>>736245070
/b/ wanted me to tell you to go fuck yourself, faggot.

>>736245948
*its

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>>736245446
Religion is indoctrination from a young age, it's actually hilarious that you think veganism is anywhere near a religion seeing as:

children are shown various mountains of propaganda provided by the meat and dairy industry

for example:
cows on pastures, happy cows

never shown what happens to animals, that's behind doors, all the children see is the final product


show a child what makes their animal product meal and they will very likely be disgusted and want to avoid it, just like if you were to put a baby in a cage with a baby chick and a banana, it would not eat the baby chick and play with the banana

Beliefs are what keep carnism strong, the industry brainwashes people and the facts and science are under the rug.

After atheism, is veganism. Logic and rationality can't be ignored forever.

>>736245955
/b/ isn't a place for the easily triggered, I'd suggest you go back to your meat-eater safe space, because this is where your beliefs are challenged.

Welcome to /b/, cuck.

>>736245948
>>736244402

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/544dc5a1e4b07e8995e3effa/t/54e4d7f6e4b0c247344f070f/1424283652224/Cowspiracy-Infographic.png?format=1500w

>>736245522

cooking food is a normal for humans, you can act all high and mighty while sitting on the foundation built for you by humans who didn't have all your comforts

cooking is a cornerstone of human evolution and for you to somehow shit on it because you think it's not necessary for survival now while you drink your factory processed water and sit in your air conditioned room with a computer/smartphone so you can communicate without walking more than a few feet, it's pretty fucking ridiculous

people wouldn't have survived the thousands of winters without cooking and drying meats

>>736245409
Um, actually I would. I eat about 5000 calories a day and am only given an hour or so to do it. I have in fact missed a meal before and it feels like hell. I understand not everybody has my schedule, but not everyone has yours. Don't tell me what I have time to do. This is something people close to me can see like my vegetarian girlfriend that cooks a nice porterhouse for me every friday, but not something you should throw judgements around about because you're some regressive leftard.

Inb4; wow 5000 calories a day you must be a fat meat eater like all the others
6'2 180 pounds. Technically, I'm close to overweight, yes

>>736239484
No. There's no valid reason not to enjoy the food chain.

>>736239484
No

Maybe you try eating only meat you kill yourself for a month..

>>736246100

>your beliefs are challenged
>beliefs

it's not a fucking religion, humans would not be here today if they didn't eat meat

>>736246005
What I'm getting from this is factory farms are bad and I agree.
Organic free range at the standards they use in Denmark is where it is at.
I've got family who has a free range cattle farm and I can assure you, those cows are happy.

>>736245070
>be me
>have one stomach
>tries to eat fucking grass
>can't digest it for shit

Just because your mum was a cow doesn't mean you can eat grass.

>>736246157
>cooking food is normal for humans
This is true, anthropologists would agree that humans cooked carbs shortly before they cooked animals. In times of desperation and survival, humans had to do fucked up things to live, we are not in those times anymore.

>you can act all high and mighty while sitting on the foundation built for you by humans who didn't have all your comforts

And YOU continue to act all high and mighty while eating the corpse butchered and processed for you by humans AND animals who didn't have all your comforts, and in fact, humans that develop PTSD from slaughtering and torturing animals 9 to 5.


If you live in a 1st world country, you are NOT in a survival situation. You go to the store, buy food, and cook it/warm it up at home.

>>736246384
I don't know a single person who eats grass, nice meme though.

I eat carbs, fruits, vegetables, and soy proteins. This is a very similar diet to the adventist vegetarians and they are the longest living group on earth right now.

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>>736239484
Over 3 billion years of evolution made me an omnivore, I've got canines and everything, I'm tearing that meat every fucking chance I get.

Vegans are weak, pasty and get ill all the time, apart from that they eat food that looks, tastes and smells like meat, what does that tell you?
That you are supposed to eat it moron!

>>736246321
Technically without Christianity the west wouldnt exist

>>736246179
why do you need to consume 5000 calories every day? i'm curious, what's your profession?

very skeptical that you could eat 5000 calories every day. what did you eat yesterday?

>>736246429

yea I buy my food, but i also hunt and fish and I have a garden

>And YOU continue to act all high and mighty while eating the corpse butchered and processed for you by humans AND animals who didn't have all your comforts

and it's fucking delicious, and this will always be the order of things

>>736246573
I know a shitload of preppy bitches who put grass in smoothies and swear by it

>>736243896
bullshit, B12 is an essential nutrient and it is ONLY animal origin
>>736243916
there's a huge chasm between vegetarians and fucking vegans

>>736246602
see >>736245070


>generalizing all the vegan subdiets into one diet

I'm on a whole foods plant based diet and I watch all of my meat eating family get ill while they think the same way you do. I live a very healthy life and so does the president of cardiology (america) Kim A Williams, who is also a plant based dieter.

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>>736245070
name one vegetable that has B12

>>736246798
The b12 they put in fortified breakfast cereal comes from bacteria

>>736239484
It's stupid to think plants aren't living things too, or don't have souls, or don't also feel and react to pain. We're assholes no matter what we consume, we must end life to continue our own existence like every other creature.

>>736246782
Vegetable smoothies do have a grassy taste to them, if that's what you mean. I know a dude who ate nothing but those for a couple of months and lost a decent amount of weight from 270 lbs, he's pretty chiseled now.

I think people who fail to properly diet on the attempt of vegan dieting are laughably stupid. Those preppy bitches you're talking about are probably "vegan" for the image, absolute doormat cunts.

>>736246821

your family isn't unhealthy because they eat meat

they are unhealthy because they eat too much and don't exercise, and they probably have a extra level of stress from having to know you

>>736246869
name one animal meat that has b12 in nature

To skip forward, neither of them do.

Soil has b12, and we supplement it into our foods, because nobody is going to eat soil.

>>736247118

my favorite one is salmon, very healthy meat overall

I really have trouble to decide which side ITT is the most retarded.

>>736246722
You caught me on a wierd weekend. I didnt eat yesterday. Or the day before. Today all Ive had so far was a large pizza from pizza but, 12 wings, and some beer.
Profession is I run my own garage, mechanic and cut custom glass for antique cars. After that, whatever gets offered, like yesterday I didn't eat because I was busy moving stone from a friends house to mine and building a wall next to my driveway

>>736247069
They eat animal products, which exclusively contain LDL cholesterol, along with various amounts saturated fats this clogs the arteries to their

pancreas
brain
and heart.

And while they tell me their delusions that diabetes/heart disease/alzheimers runs in the family, I tell them that the food they consume runs in the family. Scientific facts are really cold and the traditional foods will have to be tweaked, but I won't be paying for pills like them.

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>>736247259

one side defends meat eating because the other side makes false claims related to health and diet

>>736239484
i hate the idea but
if i get dubs

Try to stop being a shitposter for 30 days.

>>736247279
mechanic is a hands on job for sure, but does it really necessitate 5000 calories a day? more than your usual 2500 definitely, but double? that seems unlikely to me, 5000 calories is a lot anon

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Who's ready to play trigger the Vegans!

>>736247311

you really have an LDL cholesterol boogeyman don't you

you believe whatever you want to at any given time i suppose but there are perfectly healthy people who eat meat in the world, it's all about controlling calories and exercise

if you want a real boogey man that causes severe health problems, it's sugars

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>>736247253
What you get from salmon can be beneficial, but comes with a detriment that isn't worth the nutritional value

this is 1 oz of salmon

I can replicate the nutrient benefits very easily in plant foods, without the LDL.

We don't even talk about the sat fat and possible toxins. That's just an unfortunate bonus when dealing with fish.

>>736247561
Is this a trigger made for vegan ants?

>>736247487

different people have different metabolic rates, and there are people who benefit from different diets based on their blood/genetics

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>>736239484
good job, m8. protip: have a lot of good recipes at hand, and it'll be a cake walk... vegan cake walk...

>>736247487
I know it's a lot. My record was just under 10000, done completely by eating whoppers from burger King. 6 in the afternoon, and 6 before bed. That was a long week though. Anyway, a you'd be surprised what your average mechanic is eating. I work a lot faster than your average mechanic though because it's my own garage, I don't get paid hourly.

>>736247623
>>736244889
>sugar fearmongering

Go away mark hyman, you're paid off by the meat and dairy industry to fearmonger sugar to attempt to sustain the breaths of a slowly dying duo of industries.

Might I mention the anti-sugar retard says that butter is a health food? Are you sure you want to be on the side of lies?

>>736247867
Vegan cakes are shit.

>>736239484
>Try going Vegan for 30 days
Try sucking my dick for thirty days.
though to be honest, you'll probably end up liking it, since you can get more protein from it than your grass.

>>736247412

No, both sides claim shit they have no idea about and throw around inadequateabsolutes, naive generalisations, and personal insults.
This is one step below "my dad could beat up your dad".

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>>736247676

>toxins

dude fuck off, people in my family live to be 80 who smoke and drink their whole lives

I'm not going to quit eating salmon because of some bullshit quackery you believe in, I'll be fine, that might not work for you but you will have to try to adjust

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>>736247709
I don't know. But there's woman who are more manly than these fags too

>>736247118
>just torpedoed his own argument
you're fucking dumb yeah?

>>736247561
These workers are very susceptible to PTSD and often leave these jobs with trauma. It's not a joke for them, and it's not a joke for the animals.

If anything, this might trigger a retired animal concentration camp worker.

>>736241391
well just eat enriched foods then you fucking retard. Most cereals, soy products and dairy free milks have it in them.

>>736239484
No.
I like meat.

>>736247868

twelve Whoppers don't equal 10000 cal, not even close - you might be confusing cals and joules, buddy

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>>736248052
>If anything, this might trigger a retired animal concentration camp worker.

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holy fuck check my image

>>736239484
No, I don't want to. Devouring animal carcasses gives me joy and strength. I also love imagining self-righteous bastards squirm. And yes, sadly I'm stuck with imagining for now, as common as you are online, I've yet to meet one of you IRL to make squirm. Guess you're not that popular.

>>736248140
>my diet is fine I just require modern chemistry for it to be so since it's not the way humans evolved to ingest b12
kysf

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>>736248052
And when I left my job my hands were crippled. Go fuck yourself vegan fag, and get a job

>>736248026
Now that's a response that shows you've just learned why the B12 argument doesn't work against a plant based diet.

If both diets require B12 supplementation in the modern day, and animal products are responsible for our top killer (heart disease) and a cascade of other health problems...

a plant based diet is an obvious choice.

Now do you choose comfort in the short term, and possible disease in the long term? or...?

>>736248052
>vegans compare jews to animals
I always knew that vegans were nazis.

>>736248052
>This whole post

Please be bait, otherwise, fuck right off back to tumblr.

>>736248276
b12 is not a "comfort" vitamin. You need it for proper nutrition. You can get it from animal sources, as humans evolved to do, or you can cheat and use supplements.

Just admit your diet is weak and requires a little unnatural assistance.

>>736248217
No, 12 whoppers equals 7k. I lie though, because I was also drinking that whole day. Didn't mean to lie, more a mistake, so yeah. Of course when I tell you I can drink 30 beers in a day you won't believe that either. Whatever, go make you're lifestyle into legislation for the rest of us just like Hitler did.
Ps, Hitler was vegan too ahaha

>>736239484
>>736239484
Try eating shit and suck my dick for 30 days

>>736245365
>strawman
it continues to benefit us now

>>736248218
>>736248278
Vegans don't use euphemisms, there's an animal holocaust going on. You can believe otherwise but just like atheism crushed religion on the internet, veganism will do the same.

OP can't be a vegan, he sucks way too many meaty cocks

>>736248389
B12 does not occur naturally in animal products, it is SUPPLEMENTED.

I did not say it was a comfort vitamin, do you have a comprehension problem?

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>>736248525
not when a symptom of B12 deficiency is weakness and tiredness

>>736239484
Try being a breatharian for 30 days

>>736248389

not him but,I will argue in favor of unnatural assistance while also arguing in favor of eating meat

I don't believe in nature, humans are no longer a natural species, being the only species that can change the environment instead of adapting to it naturally makes us no longer a part of the evolutionary chain

next step, genetic processing and customized breeding

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>>736248525
>there's an animal holocaust going on.
>holocaust

>>736248504
Not at all, the brain growth benefit ceased long ago, and LDL/saturated fat from meat are leading to the diseases that kill off thousands and thousands yearly.

Any nutritional benefit from meat can be replicated without ANY cons in a plant based food.

>>736248525
>there's an animal holocaust
The holocaust was a hoax though. Jews were dying of typhus. I dont see any animals dying of typhus

>>736248525
There's a holocaust that goes on every time you bake bread or disinfect your kitchen counter.

>>736241352
'just like the real thing'

Yea sure whatever you say faggot

>>736239484

I did.

It turned out that not only was it very unhealthy, but it was also morally wrong, so I'm back to being a non-vegan for now.

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>>736248574
>MFW when this shit-for-brains thinks we supplement clams
no, that's just not true. B12 is formed by many different animals and does not require supplementation. Do you even into biosynthesis bro?

>>736246821
>so does the president of cardiology (america) Kim A Williams
So?
If it's so healthy, then why do we never hear that vegan centenarians are on the rise, in fact, I've never even heard of one.

Three members of my family have made it to 100, not a veggie or vegan amongst them, good genes maybe, but denying my point out of hand doesn't make you right my friend.
3 billion years of evolution made you able to digest meat, if you were not supposed to eat it then you could not digest it.
Can you eat grass? No, nature took that away from us a long time ago, meat is still on the menu for humans though.

Why do humans like the taste so much?
It's not just bacon, meat tastes so fucking good!
Nobody brainwashed me into liking it, there's plenty of foods my parents tried to get me to eat, guess what, I don't eat them now either.

Anthropologists believe that the consumption of meat helped make us the smart little apes we are, it increased our brainpans by 40%, so you could be smart enough to be this dumb.

>>736248574

you keep saying that but you're fucking dead wrong buddy, meats and eggs are the most abundant source of b12

>>736248242
Chemistry is why we exist you fuckwit

>>736248772

never been a fan of ribs, too much work involved even in eating

give me a nice ribeye

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>>736248690
The animal holocaust is the one that we can prove and see in reality right now, it has been going on longer, and the amount of sentient creatures who have died in it are FAR greater than the holocaust by nazi germany.


>>736248702
>non sentient bacteria
It's not about living creatures, it's about sentience

>>736248655
pic related

>>736248882
don't play dumb, you know what I meant. We didn't evolve requiring multivitamins, and any diet that requires it is insufficient.

...or are you not playing dumb and this is your genuine stupidity?

>>736248448

Hitler wasn't vegan, he was forced to eat a mostly vegetarian diet because of his digestion problems
I'm neither a vegan nor a vegetarian, but I am someone telling you twelve Whoppers aren't 10000 calories
'hitler made his lifestyle into legislation'? that's how you summarise national socialism?

Try living without lecturing people for 30 days.

>>736249042
oh so you're pretending that you'd have no problem with animal consumption if it weren't practiced on an industrial scale?

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>>736249042

so it would be ok to kill you?

>>736248952
>too much work
The meat just slides right off the bone if it's cooked right.

I'll quit eating meat when every other omnivore/carnivore on planet earth does.

>>736248690
The holocaust didnt happen, but it should have.

>>736249042
>It's not about living creatures, it's about sentience
Why?

>>736249117
677*12= 8,124 calories

>>736248140
tell me, how does one attain B12? You seem to know so much about it, without using your precious google, where is it B12 comes from and where oh where does modern man find it in adequate supply?

>>736239484
Down here all poor people are vegan. They can not afford meat but they pretend they are all conscious about animals and shit.

>>736249068

actually multivitamins are a scam overall

you don't need multivitamins to be healthy

the only supplement people really need is vitamin D3, because most people in the modern world don't get enough sunlight even if they dress light and go outside as much as possible, modern people still do not get enough sun exposure

>>736249042
>especially caused by fire or nuclear war

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>>736249327
...that's kinda my FUCKING POINT

>>736249226
Sentience is what we share with the animals we unnecessarily farm for food, which leads to the double standard of us being okay to do various atrocities to them, while not being okay to the same action done to a human of the same:

intelligence
consciousness
lack of moral compass
size
knowledge
<further traits>

>>736249042
Wtf kind of definition is that? A holocaust is a fully burnt religious offering. From Greek.

Really makes you think, 6 garroilion sacrificed and the Jews get a country

>>736239484
i had a vegan roommate so i went vegan for 2 years. first thing i did when i moved out was eat a half pound burger.

>>736249464
Being alive is what we share with the bacteria we unnecessarily cultivate for food, which leads to the double standard of us being okay to do various atrocities to them, while not being okay to having the same action done to a human.

Arbitrary traits are arbitrary.

>>736242638
Are you soft in the head? Pigs, cows and chickens will breed without our help, and they will become wild animals again, like all animals should be. The amount of land used to feed the billions of farm animals will far exceed the land needed for our survival on a plant based diet.

>>736249160
It's unethical to murder another sentient creature, but there are situations where a necessary evil takes place.

If I had to kill another in a survival situation, it would be unethical, but justified given that sometimes we do fucked up things to survive.

>>736249464

ah empathy, the western minds greatest and worst attribute

it has lead us to great heights, and now it will serve as our killer

Some of you have to inform yourselves instead of spouting the same rhetoric you were fed over and over by industries and institutions that maintain a status quo. It's easy to find this shit out....why animal products contribute to chronic disease, why we are closer to frugivores then we are to omnivores, why heme iron is deleterious vs non-heme iron, the problems involving IGF-1 and animal products...and so much more. You want to quote things like "ooo oooo B12 deficiency!" ?!?!?!? PLEASE just go educate yourself on it. See where it comes from and why there is the threat of deficiency in modern man....its not because we NEED to eat meat to get it lol. You might as well say we aren't supposed to eat meat because it is devoid of fibre and vitamin C lol. It's just getting lame to hear uneducated people take this huge stance on why meat is so important.