What are the politics of /b? https://8values.github.io/

>>735733777
right wing populism.

btw kys

>>735735335
Really? Let's see the results.
And is left-wing populism too terribly different? We both hate libs except you keep getting cucked by capitalists like Trump

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>>735733777

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NOICE

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>>735735533
What a great joke, like communism

>>735735811
What kind of toothless inbred are you to get a 77% for traditional?

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Fucking leftards

>>735735806
Nice. Finally someone who isn't totally cucked by capitalists

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>>735736311
One who loves his people and does not dream of his family getting raped by dune coons.

>>735736664
>92.3% anti-liberty
>93.1% "traditional values"

Why are you on the internet? Grab your nattie lite and fuck your sister

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>>735735806
my nigga

>>735736920
Your "people" are 100% cucked by capitalists like Trump. You get such a hard on when they take your quality of life away.


Seriously, and I mean this, kys.

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>>735736954
Hey comrade! Finally broke away from the fucking capitalists libs and fashes huh?

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>>735733777
Anti-state
Pro-regulation (or workplace democracy)
Pro-gun
Anti-nationalism
Fuck religion and tradition, change and science are the only thing that has ever influence progress.

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>>735733777

OP cuck

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>>735737433
Fuckin' A man.

I'm cool with siding with you Anarcho-Commies to finally fuck over the capitalists who have been cucking the working class for far too long.

Beat the shit out of some capitalist cucks for me.

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>>735737108

K

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kek

>>735737446

centrism, the best ideology to be ruled by, but the one that never wins.

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>>735737433
>>735737708
you fucks picked the wrong board

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don't have separated

>>735737446
The working class right wing populists are LITERALLY cucks.

You mofo's get fucking hard when Trump comes out to cut his own taxes in order to make you pay more.

You literally masturbate to Trump taking your money away.

You are cucked by capitalism, kys.

>>735737955
Oh shit guise.
Spooky snek. Full retreat!!1

>>735733777

>equality and market are opposites durr hurr
>I know all about it, I worked at Starbucks for two weeks and my manager was an asshole

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>>735737808
Yet another person on /b who isn't a satisfied financial fuckdoll by the capitalists. Welcome aboard comrade.

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These questions suck, specifically they paint "Progress vs Tradition" in a really shitty light and the questions for them are way too black and white with shit like "Would you rather have improvements in your life, or have the same thing" That being said I agree with everything with "Progress vs Tradition" (Which as a side note I also hate how they're presenting it like you can't have progress while also maintaining traditions and culture), which I'd view as much closer to 50/50 imo

Oh also I'd identify as more of a Libertarian than a Neo-Lib

>>735738056

If I'm cucked by Trump when I'm "centrist", I cannot even imagine how cucked ppl are above me both by delusional extreme socialism and traditionalist.

>>735738141
>Calls people cucks
>Elects capitalists who take their money
>Gets hard on when they cut their tax rate to raise yours

Kys.

>>735738317
Capitalist cuck.

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damn... I'm just a mainstream fuck

>>735738497
Tell me this commie, if capitalism is so bad why is it the main economic system of the world, with the vast majority of communist/socialist systems failing.

>>735738546
The Communist Manifesto is roughly 40 pages. It explains how to stop getting cucked by capitalism.

If anything is a redpill, it is definitely the one.

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>>735738739

and it tell you how to be cucked by the supreme leaders. Face it, this big innovations in the 20-21 century is due to capitalism

>>735738619
This is a bit of a nuanced conversation for /b, but I'll indulge.

Capitalist markets, when in the majority, push back against socialism/communism. Communism, when the majority, is very stable.

Lets take eggs. If communism demands they be sold for $1.40 a carton to feed the people, but a capitalist market will buy it for $5, the people will go without eggs, as they will be sold on the black market.

Also there is a difference between Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc.

I don't attribute the success of the US to capitalism, rather to the culture and tenacity of the people of America. Let's take credit. Capitalists want us to give it all to them. Let's not.

>>735738988
Didn't even read page one and is regurgitating trash...
Hint, Marxists are anti-state too.

>>735738988
I disagree. The American People are responsible, not the economic system. Besides, most of our progress has been mandated by the state.

-ARPANET (the internet at infancy): state ordered
-Satellite/GPS tech: state ordered
-Computers (for the most part): state ordered
-Moon landing: state ordered

Cellphones, the internet, and the technological revolution was built on tech the US Govt commissioned. This wasn't due to capitalism, but due to the hard work of the people!

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>>735733777

>>735739850
Hello there Mr. Sanders.

>>735739914
How is getting cucked by the capitalists working out for you?

>>735740030
Dont know what your talking about, i dont live in america

>>735740519
Capitalists run most of the world currently, so not sure where you are where you can escape economic cuckoldry.

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These results still surprise me.

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>>735733777

>>735740774
It means you don't support getting bent over by conservative/neolib capitalists.

Feel free to read the Communist Manifesto. Fairly short.

Welcome aboard comrade.

>>735739551

Agree, the state (better said the military) is a major R&D hub. But let's put it this way, would Elon Musk exist in a comunist society? (or any new company based on strong R&D or innovation). I doubt it. Why would you work 24/7 all day long to try to make your startup or idea into a multibillion company if you won't see a penny?

I don't get me wrong. I'm in favour of socialism in certain extend like in europe, but marxist is too idealistic and has flaws.

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Closest Match: Social Libertarianism

Exactly where I thought I was. Fuck Trump.

>>735740842
Another working class cuck who gets a hard on by handing over his hard earned money to a rich capitalist.

>>735740629
I mostly agree with the Right-wing independent greeks, dont know if you know about greece's state

>>735740881
Elon enjoys the benefits of research he didn't have to do. He hasn't contributed in any significant way, with the exception of capitalizing on the work Americans have already put in.


You see, a govt can take risks on science that don't have to be profit driven. They look at the 20 year picture. A company is naturally risk adverse in the long run. They need to meet the quarterly report. NDG has a good speech on this.


Truthfully, any type of socialist movement is a world better than the shit we have today.

>>735741317
Yeah, somewhat. I know black bloc has a presence there. I hope all is well.

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>>735740890
Welcome aboard comrade!

>>735741637
Nah, a good chunk of me is very capitalist. I just also think some corporations are evil af after working for ATT for a few years. Making money is great but some of my companies need to be put in their place when they reach the point of being so powerful that they can do whatever they want ( simply because they've squashed any form of natural competition).

I also believe everyone should be given a fair chance at receiving a proper education but after that, you're on your own.

>>735741961
AT&T has turned a lot of conservatives into Left-Wing Populists over the years. They really embody the type of evil us socialists talk about.

>>735741397
Thank you, things are pretty bad,
In my opinion anarchists (atleast in greece) are autists who go destroying peoples stuff (stores, cars, etc), and most of the time the stuff they destroy is from people who are just trying to make a living

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Rate please.

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Seems about right.. thought it'd be heavier into libertarian. Maybe I lost points because I believe in some enviromental regulation

>>735742245
Wow, seems like no one is really looking out for the working class.

Anarchists seem angry at a broken system but have no realistic endgame or even game plan.

How did Greece get to this point?

>>735742367
Calm down Stalin.

JK welcome aboard comrade.

Seriously, has all this leftist populism been hidden in the shadows? Why is 4chan known only for white supremacist cucks to capitalists?

>>735742415
78% on that axis is very fucking libertarian. That's fairly extreme, honestly. The enviro stuff is for the "Progress" axis.

>>735742659
Ey up lad. I'm Irish. I was always thinking about socialism and communism in Ireland and I found the thoughts thrilling, little do you care about it though, for that I'm certain. I'm not surprised I am a socialist, but revolutionary part I can't really understand, could you explain?

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>>735733777
Not sure how I feel about this

>>735742846
Tae fuck? Get out cuck

>>735742763
I am Dale Gribble irl

>>735742529
Sorry, id like to continue this conversation but its 4:00AM here,

>>735742831
It simply means you support a powerful state.

Also, sorry for the DUP over there. That sucks m8

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>>735733777
There are Libertarians and then there are ignorant people. Master race Libertarian Capitalist reporting in you fucking plebs.

>>735742846
Wow, a well thought out nuanced individual. Rare.

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=80.5&d=79.8&g=75.4&s=90.1

Sounds about right.

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>>735742966
Devil take the loyalist traitors and unionist scum who seek our country nothing but destruction! Up the INLA!

>>735742146
There was a lot of bullshit being pulled at that company but the moment that made me say "fuck this" was then the T-Mobile deal fell through and upgrade fees shot up within a week.

Processing an upgrade literally was scanning two bar codes (serial and sim) and hitting continue a few times until you checked out.

There was nothing about that process that justified $36 being added on to your bill.

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Looks about right.

>>735742846
It seems like you aren't sure how you feel about anything

>>735743056
>Supports individual liberty
>Gets a boner when his politician cucks him financially and takes all of his hard earned money
>Convinced by the rich that tax cuts for the rich are a good idea

Truthfully tragic.

>everything is almost equal within 2-4%
>best match is liberal
FUCK

>>735743103
>>735743260

Lolwut

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>>735743260
>>735743056
>>735742415

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Did this a couple days ago

>>735743280
>thinks that libertarians believe we should be taxing people based on income at all

You've already failed. Google fair tax and lurk moar

>>735743248
A dear friend of mine just went on strike due to AT&T taking away a lot of benefits, even though their profits are through the roof. He isn't sure he will be able to provide for his family.

America has enough food for 2bil people and 6 houses for every homeless person. Yet this shit happens. Time for the red to creep in.

>>735743311
Liberals are fucking centrists who can't make up their goddamn minds. Either you support capitalism or you don't.

>>735743279
Well most of the time I was sure of my answer but there were some questions that weren't specified like the ones involving diffrent factors

>>735743470
Oh, the streets will get paved, and the infrastructure maintained with a wish upon a star.

Worse than the fucking anarchists.

>>735743204
Lord Buckethead ftw

>>735743470
The fair tax means people who make most of their money on capital gains pay nothing. Most of their money will not be spent on goods or services, it will be horded. This would result in a massive tax burden transference to the working class.

TL;DR: Capitalism Cuckoldry

Well, here ya go

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not sure if i'm undecided or I just don't care...

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>>735743903
Forgot the fuckin pic

>>735743204
>>735743684
I don't really follow Irish politics...so I'm terribly confused.

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>>735733777
Hoxhaist

>>735743662
Once again, you are talking out of your ass and you know nothing about any actual libertarian policy. Instating a consumption tax would not only make tax code millions of times easier, it would put more money into the economy instead of tax payer dollars being funneled into frivilous government contracts that don't end up working out in favor of the taxpayers..
Seriously, just read the first fucking piece of information out there before you decide to add your opinion.

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I'm a socialist

>>735743204
erin go bragh!

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>>735743956
Lord Buckethead was a joke candidate. Just google it and laugh at his platform. Don't forget to laugh at the amount of votes he received too.

>>735744009
So the wealthy capitalists who don't spend their money on goods or services and just horde it get a massive tax break. I don't think this is the right way forward.

Libertarianism is great. FairTax is a massive tax cut for the wealthy, and we should do better.

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>>735744031
>>735744246

>>735743280
>politician cucks him

Do you realise what you just said you fucking sperg

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get the choppers ready boy, we need to exterminate some filthy commies

>>735744463
Seriously, if you gleefully hand your money over to a rich capitalist and cheer as he gives himself a tax break you are a fucking cuck.

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fuck commies

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>>735733777
Seems legit

>>735744654
You literally have no fucking clue do you.

>>735744686
Choke on that capitalism cock my friend.

>>735743848
Hording money based in inflationary currency. Good to see that the commies are economically literate as always...

>>735744842
Enjoy shopping at empty supermarkets for toilet paper in your shithole utopia.

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>>735744686
Just a hair away from Fascism

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>>735743470
>>735743848
>>735743662

>Believes in so-called "fair tax"
>Tells other anon to lurk moar

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>>735745078
Fascism is a form of collectivism, its not right wing just because its nationalistic.

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Take this dad.

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>>735733777

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We full SJW now

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>>735745630
Fuck yeah comrade. No more getting cucked by capitalists.

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>>735745682
What's goin' on Bernie

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>>735733777
>https://8values.github.io/

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>>735733777
Fuck, I didn't realise I was a snowflake...

>>735745915
I'm brave enough to say it,
MODERATE EXTREMEISM

>>735745951
Oh, would you rather cum your pants and cheer when you happily hand your hard earned cash to a rich capitalist and cry tears of joy as he gives himself tax cuts?

Fuck that capitalist cuckold shit. Welcome comrade.

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I dont even

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I don't understand this shit website , I voted Clinton

>>735746112
Move to Venezuela. Enjoy the fruits of collectivism.

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Rate

>>735746526
Hillary and Donald's platforms were nearly identical economically. They decided to make it a big show about emails and russia to confuse the proletariat of the real issues.

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>>735746499
you have the same politics as an ancient Egyptian , that's fucked

>>735746532
If Venezuela was capitalist, and it failed, you wouldn't blame capitalism. You'd probably blame the cleptocratic despots running the operation.

>>735746499
So...Uh welcome comrade?

>>735746691
What's up Marco Fucking Rubio

>>735746532
The Venezuela crisis was caused by economic mismanagement. Your comment betrays a profound ignorance of current events. How can you justify participating in this thread if you can't understand what's going on in the world?

>>735746691
Rate: It means you like centre-right politicians like Hillary and Trump.

>>735746944
If it was capitalist it wouldn't have failed. Venezuala is extremely rich in resources (both human and natural).

Also the worst kleptocracies are socialist ones.

>>735747215
>If it was capitalist it wouldn't have failed
bull fucking shit

>>735747189
You are an idiot. Collectivizing anything of value is not mismanagement. Its communism. The leaders were Marxist. The ideas were Marxist. The redistribution was Marxist.

>>735747085
Kek

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>>735733777
Liberal

Long live the free world

>>735747354
>The leaders were Marxist
Again, bull fucking shit. Read the Communist Manifesto, it's a short read.

They were despotic who raped their people for their own personal gain. The same way wealthy capitalists rape working class citizens to make more money.

>>735747197
Voted for trump

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sup

>>735747289
It was thriving prior to oil socialist policies being pushed to the front by a neocommie. Its funny whenever extreme forms of collectivism gets applied to a resource based economy everything goes to shit quickly.

>>735747354
Venezuela is not communist because a communist society is, by definition, stateless. Again, your ignorance is extremely apparent. Please stop before you embarrass yourself even more.

>>735746691
7/10

>>735747551
Lit

>>735747289
How many times does collectivism have to fail as an economic policy before people like you will accept it?

>>735747524
So you are saying that Hugo Chavez was a "wealthy capitalist"... The things you read on /b/

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>accepting gay marriage is scientific progress
wew lad

what a joke

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>>735747442
Comrade! Good to see you.

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>>735747354
>Begins retort with an insult
>Uses a word he does not understand the meaning of, in this case "Marxist" three times

wew

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commies.

>>735746526
your 8values reflects your vote! you support a corrupt oligarch bureaucrat!

>>735742659
4chan in general has always been more radical left. It's just the rise of /pol/ and the constant shitposting that makes it seem otherwise. We get our kicks by pretending to be retarded, OF COURSE people would think we're all conservative red-hats.

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>>735743056

>>735747950
Google Marxism. Its not just his manifesto. He was a sociologist in addition to being aneconomist prior to his most famous work. His body of work is the intellectual underpinnings of the modern left/communism/socialism.

Chavez was a socialist, and a rather extreme one at that, he was pretty damn close to crossing into full communism.

>>735748004
Literally kill yourself

>>735747537
Nice job cumming your pants while you hand a rich capitalist your hard earned money, then cheering as he gives himself taxcuts.

He royally cucked the working class who voted for him by taking their money and giving himself a tax cut.

You got cucked by capitalism.

Though you couldn't do anything anyway, Hillary would have done the same damn thing.

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>>735743574
>Either you support capitalism

...or you're correct.

FTFY

>>735747661
You misread the comment. I was drawing an analogy.

>>735747852
That's actually on the libertarian/authortarian axis.

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Cool beans

>>735748289
I just enjoy watching faggots get upset when he says mean things. Other than that idgaf what happens

>>735748052
Is she any different than Trump? They are both rich capitalists cucking working americans into filling their pockets.

>>735748086
I wish you were right.

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>>735733777
Inb4 capitalist cuck, it's not like communists have ever made a significant contribution to humanity.

>>735748413
we were talking about Venezuela.

The manifesto is a fairy tail that hasn't happened yet.

>>735748245
He was a tyrant. A kleptocrat. Is that the best you got? Gotta love working your life away just to see your wages shrink year-to-year.

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>>735748667

>>735748585
Liberals are the only one's who give a fuck. Us commies/socialist comrades don't see any difference between Trump and Clinton.

>>735747661
Chavez was a fucking Kulak.

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fug

>>735748741
Not with that attitude it wont!

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>>735748772
>my sides !

>>735748743
Actually they are growing every year. even adjusted for the inflationary policies. Skilled labor has its advantages.

Yeah, he was both of those. He was also a communist/socialist. Those qualities tend to go hand in hand.

>>735748613
not really. hillary is a globalist who takes money from the tycoons, trump is a populist (nationalist) who takes money from himself. ones self funded and for the people, ones corrupt and for the corporations to further their leftist agenda

>>735748890
He was born to working class parents. Not to rich peasant farmers.

>>735738317
Got almost same results, also associate more w/ libertarianism

>>735748585
>You faggots
Please realize not all leftists are liberals. Liberals suck big capitalist cock that they lube with their tears.

>>735743280
I for one I love that my hard earned money goes to the bastard children of whores, retards, and people too stupid too function because they were educated by our lazy unionized teachers. Fuck lawyers, doctors, fiances people and programmers, everyone deserves free shit even if they play little to no role in creating it.

>>735749049
And amazingly, after he died, his family members were revealed to be worth millions. I wonder how that happened...

>>735745951
>snowflake
You're thinking of the liberals, bud.

>>735746532
Libertarian socialism is opposed to Chavist dictatorships. Read more.

>>735749020
Trump is a fucking rich capitalist. His actions help all rich capitalists make money, not just him. He cucked right wing populists to fill his pockets with working class money.

Hillary, simply, is an employee of the banks.

It's the same goddamn thing.

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I like to think I am a conservative libertarian

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>>735733777
Not quite. Shit test is shit

>>735746526
Clinton is pretty much what the Republicans used to be, except she's also sold to the corporations.

>>735749150
By the usual leadership theft that is common in all socialist/communist countries

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=22.0&d=6.4&g=21.5&s=35.0

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>>735749020
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate?id=n00023864

>Total Raised: $333,127,164
>Candidate self-financing: $66,141,713
>Self funded and for the people
>Self funded

>>735749126
Fucking capitalist cuck. By and large, you subsidize capitalist tax cuts more than you do anything else. The rest of that shit makes up a minute fraction of the cost.

>>735738041
any sauce on all these tests?

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>>735748656
I've been coming here since 2003. in normal politics threads, it usually seems like 90% of the posters are right-wing, and spouting off ridiculous shit. I mean, this is where the "Hitler did nothing wrong" meme was born.

And yet, every time a political compass thread like this one comes up, the results are pretty much the same. 70-80% are leftists, with a good dose of full-bore communist / socialists. It's a lot easier to joke around about being a conservative, but I think we get a more accurate view from threads like this.

/pol/ is the exception. The old quote about people pretending to be idiots getting infiltrated by actual idiots is pretty much my explanation for that shithole. 4chan joked about killing niggers and heil hitler, so real neonazis started coming here. It only got worse after the rise of the alt-right.

>>735749438
Which is why the ideal communist society is stateless. I'm glad we're on the same page, comrade!

>>735743574
So true. I don't know why people think of Shillary as a leftist. She's a huge supporter of corporations.

>>735749382
>>735749020
If you think that there is any appreciable difference between Clinton and Trump, you've bought into capitalist propaganda.

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>>735733777

>>735744274
Well, of course. He's their Vermin Supreme.

>>735747189
economic mismanagement is socialism. Capitalism requires business actors, consumers, entrepreneurs to act based on economic reality not on pure political/social influence. Whats popular many not be good in the long term. You have to close factories, layoff people, cut costs as time goes on, it has to happen. Venezuela ate all their seed without planting the harvest now they have famine

>>735749582
I'm all for communism at the (small) community level. Self selecting collectives are moral and economically sustainable. When it gets into larger systems it breaks down into immorality and the problems of central planning.

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>wtf is with all the authoritarians?

Do you guys want your life to be run by those kids in high school who slapped you around?

>>735744654
>Implying tory cucks don't want a police state

>>735749797
What's with people thinking they can be Authoritarian as fuck and not eventually get overthrown

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>>735749571
idk whats worse the alt-right justifying the holocaust or the new pseudo-commies justifying their genocides

its fucking pathetic

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Thicc.

>>735749571
As a communist, and a long time 4chan vet, I totally agree. The fucking millenials didn't realize the "pro hitler" shit was satirical and edgy, so the real fucking neonazis came. Jesus fucking christ.

I plan to make more threads like this. Hillbilly capitalist cuckoldry should be made fun of and satirized. It just doesn't stand up.

>>735749797
I was one of the kids in highschool doing the slapping

>>735745219
Actually, fascism was right wing. Nazism was centrist, however. And they were socially similar to Stalinism, which was left wing.

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>>735746944

That, or the fact that oil has bottomed out ... and their economy is pretty much driven by that fact no matter what the politics are.

They would be in deep shit no matter what at this point.

>>735750062
Stalin was a fascist who tarnished the name of communism.

>>735749571
>>735750001
4chan isn't full of poorfags anymore

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this thread makes my job a lot easier

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I'm a fucking cuck.

>>735733777
too lazy too do your dumb edgy quiz saw that it had 70 questions fuck that!

>>735749691
I never said there was one. They're both shit, I'm just pointing out that the Dems are what the Republicans used to be (moderate conservatives and neoliberals). And the Republicans are pretty much ancaps and right wing statists.

>>735749571
I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

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>>735750302
take the quiz anon or die in a concentration camp/gulag

>>735750062
can we agree that Fascism is a hot mess of ideas thrown into a blender and turned into a more extreme form of Jingoism.

>>735750152
You, legitimately, are a cuck. Donald literally cucked you and other right wing working class Americans out of your hard earned money. You fuckers jizzed your pants as he gives himself taxcuts. Sad.

You are a capitalist cum bucket.

>>735749762
>Capitalism requires business actors, consumers, entrepreneurs to act based on economic reality
Hence why we produce so much that goods go to waste and not everyone can afford to eat, in spite of the surplus.

>>735750166
I don't disagree with you. Marxism-leninism isn't even true communism. The true path to communism is libertarian.

>>735750363
A tear just came to my eye. Bless you anon. Good old fag shit here.

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>>735737851
/thread

and This is what I got

>>735750166
Stalin like figures always rise to the top of Communist countries. Look at Mao, the Kims, Pol Pot... Hell you end up with Chavez and Castros in the Communisim-lite/Socialist countries.

>>735750412
Pretty much. Fascism makes zero sense to the majority of people.

>>735750440
We have enough food for 2bil Americans, but sell it overseas for profit.

For every homeless person there are 6 homes owned by banks that have been foreclosed.

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I am satisfied with my results

>>735750440
If you can't afford to eat, you are doing something wrong. Why should I be blamed? Why should I go out of my way to help some useless waste of oxygen? For free

>>735750599
Have you read into Marx? He describes communist societies as stateless and classless, which we don't see with marxist-leninist regimes, which are very hierarchical and authoritarian.

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oooh lordy a thread of commies and Nazis

its time for bed kids

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>>735749020
>Believing Trump is "For the people"

That's why he wants to take healthcare away from 30 million Americans, right?

>>735750671
Exactly why we need libertarian socialism, comrade.

>>735750807
someone has to be on the bottom you dumb shit

your just setting up a medieval style system where 1 party rules

>>735750736
Cuck. Clap your hands and jizz your pants for the folks who take your hard earned money. Cry tears of joy and cheer as they give themselves tax cuts that you subsidize.

You are a literal financial cuck.

>>735750765
Nobody blamed you, bud. All I'm saying is there are people that work long hours and hardly have enough to feed their families. All of this being in spite of a food surplus.

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For those of you who have opposing values to mine, what would you criticize about my side of the fence, and what benefits are there to yours?

>>735749762
>Capitalism requires business actors, consumers, entrepreneurs to act based on economic reality not on pure political/social influence

Is that a joke? Any economy that exists within a nation-state is subject to both political and social pressure. If you disagree, then maybe you should recall that it is the state that guarantees property rights, creates and enforces laws regarding economic matters, and mediates disputes between economic actors. Mismanagement is just as much of a factor in the failure of capitalist states as it is in socialist states.

>>735750765
Why would you have to do anything? We have enough food for 2bil people here in the US. We just have to wrestle away the means of production from the corps that profit from it.

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>>735750955
>I'm too lazy to look up facts so I'll just insult people

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>>735750062
pic related

>>735750001
Sounds like a great plan, comrade. Protip though, the millenials (born 80's to 90's) are one of the most leftist / socialist generations to ever come out of the west. IT's the weird Gen-Z (born 00's - 10's) shitbabbies coming after them that really started this alt-right shitfest.

>>735737708
Fuckin kek. You sure are one huge faggot. Can't wait for the Gulag to come fuck your dad

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Bernie is my spirit animal apparently.

>>735751024
If you are "suggesting" what I think you are, that would eradicate the surplus, which is more important than a few grumbling stomachs

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>>735750432
b-but he said he was gonna make a Healthcare plan better then obamacare

>>735750841
And give himself a tax cut. Literal capitalist cuckolds, giving away their hard earned money to a rich capitalist.

And Hillary would have done the same damn thing.

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well then

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>>735735806
my nigga

>>735751213
Pretty far left

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Sounds about right. Government should exiast only to serve the people.

>>735750987
I think everyone should be taxed fairly. if they have 25% income tax every class should have it.
If it's only 10% every one should only be taxed that amount. How does that make me a financial cuck?

>>735750807
I know that Russia is the exact opposite type of society that communism would work in. No developed means of production to seize. Just masses of unskilled labor with no negotiating skills other than force, with a near genetic regard for strongmen leaders dating back centuries. Revolutionaries are always trying force society to move faster to the point where his ideas are supposed to take over. You can't force Communism, every attempt has resulted in megadeaths and economic stagnation. Its like the world isn't ready for it, or it was based on 19th century ideas that are horribly obsolete.

>>735751110
If the corporations aren't funding the production of the food they are profiting off. The food wouldn't be produced, it's a one sided argument, especially when there is no "food" in the first place

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>>735751174
Well, the millenials are pushing the Anarcho-Communism thing.

Hopefully they drop the anarchist shit when they grow the fuck up. But I'm totally digging the black bloc here.

>>735751259
Damn dude, min-max much? Lol

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>>735751135
ill read your shit book if you agree to read history and economics

>>735751110
I remember when Russia took the means away from the Kulaks. Millions died of starvation.

>>735751259
>>735751313
>>735751330
Welcome Comrades!

>>735751560
The people would fund the food, we wouldn't just starve ourselves, it would cut out the profiting middleman.

>>735751504
You might be right, but the problem is most people calling themselves communists believe authoritarianism will actually work. And you have a point about Russia. They're so used to despots that they just accept them anymore.

>>735749997
easily the antifa commies. communism has killed more than 94 million people in the past century. Nat Soc's holocausts were less than six million.

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>>735751466
>he thinks flat-tax is "fair"

>>735751466
Because that would be a massive tax burden transference to the working class from our current system.

i.e. rich pay less than today, poor pay more.

Therefore, cuckold.

>>735749997
tanky fucks the deny the Ukrainian genocide do not represent the left. anarchocommunist groups are among those most persecuted by the authoritarian left, in Ukraine, Spain and the Konstradt rebellion for example

>>735751867
Progressive tax punishes success. Regressive taxes (head taxes and capped contribution taxes like SS) punish the poor. Flat taxes allow incentive for improvement while not punishing the poor.

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>>735752033
FUCKING NORMIE GET OFF THIS FUCKING BOARD REEEEEEEEEE

>>735751750
What people would fund the food? The starving that can't afford to eat?
Or people like me that would be so willing to give up my income to fund a resource for people that are too stupid to feed themselves? On average, per 500 acre of crop costs a few hundred grand,
Live stock isn't cheap either

>>735752044
You think that a poor person scraping together enough money to survive who spends 95% of their income on necessities should pay the same percentage as a rich capitalist who spends .001% of his income on necessities?

Kys cuck.

>>735751610
yeah I hate these things because my autism causes me to second guess with what I think the question intends. a lot of the answers could go either way depending on how you justified them.

>>735752044
Finally, the dubs of truth have spoken.
>>735751902
Well if a lot of the people that abuse welfare in America would get off their asses and actually get a job. Maybe we could have lower taxes. Now isn't that just a dandy idea?
>>735751867
How is it not fair?

>>735751820
Nazis and Commies hate each other with a passion that only family can have.

May all of the collectivist kill each other for all eternity.

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man all it took was one economics class

>>735735533
>Trump
>Capitalist
my fucking sides

>>735752275
What about the capitalists that spends 95% of his companys money on tax desuctions.
He has a right not to pay personal tax when he's taking from the dividends

>>735751750
>>735752204
We have enough food for 2bil people. Corps just sell most of it overseas to make a profit.

The idea that food costs nearly anything like what it does here is a capitalist delusion meant to keep you rank and file.

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eh

>>735751820
>nazis only killed 6 million

you realise 'liberal' nations have also been genocidal right? The British Empire killed maybe 100 million people through starvation and violence on top of the material wealth they extracted.

>>735752204
The funds would most likely come through some taxation system based on income, and a transparent government would be needed to ensure the funds aren't misused, this is where many communist governments seem to go wrong, they become corrupt and secretive. A large chunk would probably come from the 1%, but not large enough to deter people from innovation. It's a careful balancing act.

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>>735745078

>>735752286

Lol, mine was about the same
#735751454

>>735752490
What, you think hes a socialist? Kys cuck

>>735752490
he literally owns billions of dollars of capital. he even had a tv show about the glory of competitive corporate culture.
are you a retard?

>>735752525
Yeah, the poor capitalists in this nation just can drive a profit :(

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WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE

>>735752828
the working class can invest as well, but they are getting taxed out of existence

>>735752672
I'm sorry comrade. I will do better.

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I didn't think there were this many comrades on this board. Lenin would be proud.

>>735752275
The poor get out of nearly all their taxes except for the regressive SS tax of 15 percent (give or take once you count in the employer half of it)

They also receive massive welfare transfers in the form of food assistance, housing assistance, and education assistance.

How about we just drop the farce of the SS being a benefit (the supreme court did) and just call it a flat tax. Oh look, the employed poor are already paying 15 percent of their income on tax. Lets make the rich also pay 15 percent of their income on tax (SS contributions are capped, so the rich pay smaller percentage as it is now). the SS "benefit" can just be turned into a welfare program offering minimum welfare for seniors. Oh look, the rich don't want to live in section 8 housing and eat off of food stamps. OK, they don't have to take the SS checks then.

Bam, 2 problems solved.

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just too see the look on your statists face's when they cart you away to be shot

all because you posted on this pedophile website

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First 3 have some actual sense on both sides.

Whoever here goes for tradition over progress how about you kys since you are long over the life expectancy that tradition would leave you at without progress.

>>735752636
"So lets raise the taxes"
What you're talking about is on a different level, I'm not saying I disagree entirely, but it won't/can't happen with todays economy

>>735753045
Yeah, seriously, why the fuck is 4chan only known for hillbilly cousin-fucking neonazis?

We are a bunch of goddamn commies! Why the fuck can't we put these right wing cucks in there place?

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>>735733777

>>735753095
Exactly why the best socialism is libertarian. Statism will never lead to a communist society.

>>735753095
Goddamn moderate extremist.

>>735733777
Calling it equality versus markets shows immediately that the poll is biased. In any economic system, there is not true equality. In this case, it is apparently the false conceptions of Capitalism as pushed by the ever-growing Socialist push. But in socialist systems, the political elite, people in politicians' pockets, etc., take advantage of the system. Greed and corruption exist in both ends. One is not inherently more right than the other.

This poll can fuck right off.

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>>735753237
On a serious note this is my actual one. Boring as Fuck

>>735753219
mainly because they are bourgeois children who have no real economic experience, so the only thing they can rally behind are ultra nationalist views. It's disgusting.

>>735753095
>Hurr durr hitler=stalin XDDD

>>735753505
Capitalist scum

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>>735745078
Here, I fixed that for you, make that mistake again, and it will be your last mistake.

>>735753394
I actually thought I was way more Fucking commie than that, I don't believe the free market is a good thing at all, god dammit poll give me a more interesting fucking ideology

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>>735733777
>sand niggers out
>settle the fuck down with your liberal bullshit
>no one cares what pronouns you want to be addressed by
>feminine dicks don't exist
>no I'm not going to pay for fucking kid to go to college
>fuck off with your gibsmedat healthcare

>>735753609
Thank you dear comrade

>>735753505
GULAG GULAG GULAG

>>735733777
Why do communists always talk the most shit despite having nothing to show for it? From the publishing of Marx's Manifesto and Das Kapital to right now, not a single major achievement has been made; just some Authoritarian wackos hijacking the name and forcing misery onto others. Explain this high horse faggotry.