Why do the liberals want muslims instead of christians?

>>735638527
Seriously have no fucking idea, it seems like such a backwards way to do things that I can't understand how any human with a semblance of proper logic thinks that way.

don't care of dat a lot of faggot

>>735638527
Christian's have already been cucked and no long follower or believe in their religion. Maybe liberals want the same for Muslims? I think it's just something they do to get voter tho

>>735639464
>*No longer follow
Fucking phone auto correct

>>735638527
Because some asshole convinced them that standing up for the most conservative group currently in existence was a good idea and would further their cause.

>>735638527
Christians created Western society and they absolutely hate Western society.

Because they are retarded.

I was born in a Islamic country, life was hell, woman had no rights, gays killed everyday (any accusation was enough), anything outside Islam was haram and punished by any means necessary.
My teachers always said that never in live was more important than Jihad, not in the violence manner, but as a way of living and spreading Islam. This include lie and pass as "good muslim" to gain trust and reproduce.

Now people call me fascist for talking bad about my own experience.

I hope the west learn before fall, because if the west fall the whole world will become a shit hole like any Islamic country with teocrat family in power.

>>735638527
Liberals HATE Christians, God, and decent Jews,
BC - they want to justify themselves

>>735639894
Too bad more voices like yours aren't heard in the useless media.

>>735638527
>Why do the liberals want muslims instead of christians?

they dont.

Most of the liberals I know would prefer atheists, or even better, humanists.

But if you are going to have a religion, then they would prefer it to be whatever the goddamn fuck you want. Muslim, Christian, Sikh, you can be a fucking High Priest of Satan for all I care.

just because they want the same rights and tolerance for anyone else, does not mean they "want muslims instead of christians". Which is as equally fucking retarded as the "why do liberals love blacks more than whites?" shit.
Same thing. We dont, this is just the idiotic screeching of the sort of mouthbreathing retards who blubber on about a "war on christmas" because some company or another wished "happy holidays" so as to include everyone.

>>735641364
Then you should be 100% behind getting rid of affirmative action so everyone is treated and judged by the same standards. ....performance etc. .

>>735638527
I'd rather have neither.

>>735638527
it is an "enemy of my enemy" alliance
librals hate christians
muslims hate christians
so librals want christian majority areas to take in muslims as a way of destroying christians
unfortunately librals are not very far sighted and don't realize that muslims hate librals more than christians and will destroy libralism once they've subjugated christianity

>>735641663
I live in a country where Affirmative Action is illegal.

you're confusing religion with culture

>>735638527
>instead
Who said that?

>>735639095
if liberals were capable of using logic they wouldn't be liberal

>>735638527
because conservatives are afraid of muslims.

>>735642179
yea, they would be evangelical conservative republicans.

>>735642074
with islam religion, culture, an government are all one in the same

>>735641991
Lucky dog

German lady apologizes to Muslims who raped her:

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/barbara-kay-the-wests-willful-blindness-to-the-threat-of-islamist-terrorism-knows-no-bounds&pubdate=2017-06-12

I'm very liberal. Pro gay marriage, pro woman's equality, pro gun, pro choice. And that is why I'm anti Muslim. They can hide it all they want or spin it however, theirs is a system of oppression and conquering. I'll agree, some liberals are so "open minded" that they let their brains fall right out.

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>>735640531
>Too bad more voices like yours aren't heard in the useless media.
there is more of >>735639894 "voices", but they're so soft spoken and cucked by violent Muslims that it's pretty much pointless. The faggot probably still wants to stay a Muslim with his family so he can still be on good terms with them and keep earning good guy badges to earn his way into heaven (which if there is a heaven, Islam is definitely not the religion that will take you there).
If you want his voice so badly to be heard, then he's gotta make it heard the same way Marilyn Manson screamed out in his songs, or there has to be an art piece so offensive made by a former Muslim that it makes the Piss Christ look like the Mona Lisa. Outsiders shouldn't be the ones pointing out the flaws of Islam; this pansy and other moderate Muslims who feel bad about its flaws seeping into modern society need to.

>>735642615
Good point. Bill Maher would be edgy if he took a shit on Mohamed on his show instead of staying away from it as well

>>735642410
Why the fuck are you on 4chan and not rebbit or Tumblr. Go away

>>735643115
>>>/pol/

>>735638527
They are ignorant about sharia law.

>>735643115
>implying 4chan isn't filled with 16yo liberals who think it's super edgy and cool to be right-wing conservative and you're not one of them

i wish this meme would end, conservatives are just as retarded if not more than liberals

yeah, more probably

>>735638527
Liberalism is a mental illness . . they back underdog causes to appear righteous and they get off on that

>>735638527
Muslims are trending muthafuka
You know we libs like feelin comfy thoughts
Ery boda whos anyboda loves them muslims.
>Large scale domesic attack and we won't hear shit out of them. You wait for it. Then the dems will take rights away like the idiot May threatened to do just before her election. She wanted out.

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>>735643085
Bill Maher also isn't the answer. He already tackled it in his documentary. Nobody listened to him because
-raised Catholic
-"born" part Jewish (religion and race are one in the same for some reason, and goes for Muslims as well)
Again, it's gotta be a Muslim/former Muslim. Outsiders looking in makes the liberals think "they're just racist/Islamophobic and discriminating against them". Nobody said that when Louis CK makes fun of Catholics because he was one and is commenting on the experiences. So, again, it's not our job to criticize and insult Islam. It's this faggot right here >>735639894

>>735643464
what about sharia law? we dont have that here in america.

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>>735638527
>Why do the liberals

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>>735643855
not yet

>>735639894
probably because that shit didnt actually happen.

>>735643956
why do you think muslims want to impose sharia law here, when there is no evidence of that happening at all?

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>>735644069
not sure. what can possibly make me think that?

>>735644342
you think 19 muslims from egypt are the president of muslims? you realize most of the time terrorist plots are stopped by the fbi it's because an imam or other person at the mosque tipped them off, right?

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>>735638527
because muslim women are too sexy

>>735644069
Dearborn, Michigan already set up Sharia courts

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>>735643987
Not that guy, but I personally know someone who lived part of her life in afghanistan, has two mothers (father had a second wife), and he routinely used to beat the shit out of them for any perceived infraction. The village she grew up in stoned 3 people that she witnessed before she left in her early teens, and even now her extended family make a big deal about her not being married with children.

And, if you really don't think shit is fucked up, just read the news, watch various Muslims throw fags off buildings and stone bitches for showing ankle. I lived in the middle east for about 2 years due to work, and that place is fucked up because the culture is fucked up.

>>735644342
do you support imposing rabbinical law on americans?

>>735644447
It couldn't be that 52% of British muslims believe homosexuality should be illegal, could it?

>>735638527
My favorite is how they go on and on about equal rights, racism, etc. Muslims are the most racist, sexist fucks on the planet. That's why the real enemy is the libtards. We seriously have to round them up and put them to the gas chambers. Then everything will be great. You can fuck whoever you like, you can say whatever the fuck you want no matter how batshit crazy it is because you see in a libertarian society there will only be government to keep infrastructure maintained or to provide efficiencies where pooling tax dollars makes sense. But when it comes to wasting money on climate change our making commercials about how little Johnny is upset because you don't like how he identifies as an asexual mantis like insect person. Don't give a fuck about you Johnny. Do what your like as long as you don't fuck with what I like our make me spend money on the dumbest shit ever concieved in all of creation then we're good. Libtards=cancer.

>>735644668
that's a reason for liberals to not want muslims to come here, since theyre more conservative and backwards thinking than mike pence.

but that's not sharia.

>>735644529
no it didnt.

>>735638527
>Why do the liberals want muslims instead of christians?

Because liberals operate under the "if you're for it, I'm against it" mindset. They have decided that conservatives and Christians are one in the same, and that they hate Muslims. Therefore their choice is simple.

>>735644588
I'm not imposed upon. I'm armed.

>>735638527
Herd mentality. What really confuses me is the number of gay people that have signed on for their own crucifixion.

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There is an explanation. It's a stupid one but it's the truth. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Liberals call themselves "progressives" because they want change/progress/advancement (but have no idea how it really works). Since the U.S. was a Christian nation for so long, they are anti-Christian. They are also anti-Christian because hard right Christians are anti LGBT rights, etc. Since Muslims hate Christians, they think they then must side with Muslims. It's the sports team mentality.

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>>735644447
nah, just that Sharia Law is imminent in America at the rate we're going
>>735644588
of course not. I believe in imposing laws made by people who don't believe in a make believe sky god

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>>735644447
>you realize most of the time terrorist plots are stopped by the fbi it's because an imam or other person at the mosque tipped them off, right?
Uh...
>Group of Muslims plan terrorist attack
>attack is thwarted because one of them chickens out

Are you honestly not able to see a pattern? When a bomb detonates at a concert, is anyone surprised The Religion of Peace is involved?

Watch this and refute it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

Seriously, watch and listen.

Muslim women are fucking sexy as hell damn fart!!!! I'm high as FUCK right now holy shit tutti fruition I'm in a high ass condition!! Man you gotta get high and jack off!!!! I'm high as hell!!! You are a faggit like Bob Saget!!

>>735644807
I did not say it was Sharia, yet you threw it out there. It is just mainstream islamic belief. Nevermind the fact the Left welcomes Hamas supporter, Linda Sarsour, who openly supports REAL sharia law.

You're using Conservative as an allusion to republicans (based on your Pence comparison). Though Muslims have the same goal as the far left: complete control over your speech, your beliefs, and your lives

>>735645037
youre talking about a minority of the "religion of peace"

>>735645153
Wrong thread. You want this one: >>735639350

>>735645175
it is not mainstream islamic belief. but there's no point arguing about this, since youre too sure youre right.

>>735645198
>minority
>Guys, only 250 million Muslims want to kill westerners
>Thats just a small minority

>>735645198
I wonder how that minority of the religion of peace stacks up to any minority of everyone else.

>>735645037
that's not how it works, but you can stay willfully ignorant so you can look down on some group. or maybe you just like falling for the "oooh these guys are gonna get us" bullshit some people like to push to earn a living.

>>735645433
source for that 250 million.

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>>735645313
Not on argument. That's middle-school level of surrender.

Aren't these supposed to be the Moderate, acclimated Muslims? I'd hate to see how this changes with all the hundreds of thousands of middle eastern muslims coming in. You know, the ones that actually kill gays

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>>735642074
Africans+Islam=shootings and bombings
Asians+Islam=bombings and shootings
Whites+Islam=shootings and bombings
Persians+Islam=bombings and shootings
Arabs+Islam=bombings and shootings and throwing fags off buildings and stoning disobedient bitches and fag pedo sexual emergencies.

No it's definitely Islamic religion.

>>735638527
Because it's tempting to think of them as the underdogs, and underdogs will surely be kind to other underdogs and help each other up.

But they are not, and they do not.
We just barely got the christians to quit dragging us behind trucks and torturing us to death. Now all we have to listen to is the Vice President wishing he could electrocute us.

All we fucking need now that shits finally getting livable, is an even more medieval replacement for the old hateful christfags.

Fuck off, bronze age.

>>735643085
Maher has no love for Islam. He frequently advocates turning deserts to glass

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>>735642189
I'm afraid of what I'll have to do your pets if you can't get them on a leash and put a muzzle on them.

>>735641364
TRIGGERED NIGGER

>>735645728
lets see a comparison of these questions to the general public. I bet muslims arent actually that much worse than normal white people.

>>735645829
now i'm agreeing with someone. I fucking hate people who dont keep their dogs on a leash and say "oh he's fine" when it comes charging over to me.

Are you a Christian? If so, what would your priest say about you browsing and posting to /b?

>>735638527
To push Cultural Marxism, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G8pPbrbJJQs

>>735645198
Watch that video - it is short - and understand what I mean about why the peaceful majority is irrelevant.

>>735645313
Actually, it is a mainstream islamic belief. After hearing one thing (from the left) and seeing another (in reality), I decided to do some research about what the Koran actually says.

As it turns out, Islam is not the religion of peace. The Koran is worse than the Old Testament, full of murder, rape, incest, childfucking, genital mutilation, and hate for non-muslims. It also has a fair amount in common with the Torah as well. The big differences:
The New Testament superseded the Old Testament, and
requires Christians to love their neighbor as they love themselves, and puts the responsibility of conversion on the Holy Spirit.

The Torah, while full of Old Testament style ideals, encourages Jews to avoid outsiders.

The Koran, however, preaches actively and forcibly converting everyone.

That's why Islam causes problems and the whole thing of "all Abrahamic religions are equally bad" is false. The idea of actively and forcibly converting everyone to views and sensibilities that are fundamentally incompatible with many of the bedrock ideals of the West (i.e. separation of church and state, freedom of speech, freedom of association) is what makes Islam stand out.

>>735642074
>>735642074
>you're confusing religion with culture

So when they are sawing off heads, they are shouting "My Unique and Thriving Culture Ackbar!" ???

>>735638527
Because liberals are mentally ill.

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>>735645750

>>735646072
what the koran actually says isnt that relevant, though. nobody lives exactly according to the religious texts written 1000+ years ago. just look at how many people get bible verses tattooed on their arm, or have premarital sex if you want to see how religious books translate to modern western society. the bible also preaches actively and forcibly converting everyone.

>>735646218
>because partisans are mentally ill
fixed that for ya.

>>735645809
Same with Sam Harris, but of course, those are two Jews. ...then again, Jews know damn well exactly the threat Islam poses, better than anyone.

Leftists seem to want to invite Muslims and Islam into the US. I don't know any liberals that do. ...though, I think we're starting to see a lot more of a return of liberal republicans than the dysfunctional two party Right=Con=Rep / Left=Lib=Dem dichotomy. Hopefully.

This country NEEDS its liberal republicans back, and the Dems need to get more liberal again too, they're far too conservative right now about their lefty ideology. Widen the fucking views, dammit, or there'll be nothing for it but war terrible war.

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>>735645496
One from the FBI. Can't source it now cause Google being shitty, so I will retract that claim at the least. Though there were multiple articles claiming 60 million supported ISIS. 250 mil undecided

>>735638527
what's the difference? same god, same rules, same old book. only difference is their new books.

>>735646603
this. the quran is to the bible what the bible is to the torah. it's all stupid bullshit.

>>735645916
I don't belief you will find anything close. The Catholic Church has undergone many reformations, removing the most toxic parts of the faith. Islam has had 0.

Unless you count discomfort with baking a cake for gay weddings on the same level as actually stoning gays, no number will come close.

why is /b/ so fucking dumb

end all of yourselves

t. not a liberal nor a conservative

>>735641991
Which country is it?

>>735646005
He would say DEUS VULT

>>735646756
>islam has had 0
there are so many branches to islam, you ignorant fat faggot. it has also undergone many reformations.

>>735646334
>pointing the finger at Christians to deflect from Islam
you can at least be original. try Scientology next time

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>>735638527

The Jewish/Atheist Plot.

> Render Christianity obsolete
> Make Jesus not be recognize as the messiah anymore
> when this is complete then Islam is next (because they believe in Jesus)
> Make Jesus in the Quran seem different than the known Jesus.
> Jewish plot complete the anti-christ can come aka (Al Massiah Ad-Dajjal).

>>735645443
>that's not how it works
Please explain how it works.

>but you can stay willfully ignorant
I consider myself to be informed on this topic, and none of my ignorance is willful. Please explain how it works.

>so you can look down on some group
My concern is the actual harm done to people due to ideas and beliefs propagated through the culture. I can assure you, I had no desire to dismiss or look down upon groups, and my criticism is for the culture as well as the individuals that carry out heinous acts in the name of the culture.

>or maybe you just like falling for the "oooh these guys are gonna get us" bullshit some people like to push to earn a living.
See above for the rationale behind my views.

I noticed that you have not refuted a single point nor brought any new facts to the table. Instead, you attacked me when I stated that
a) there is a pattern with Islam and violent attacks, and
b)a peaceful majority is irrelevant when they are inactive with regard to an aggressive minority acting out against others in the name of their culture

Are you willing to refute those points?

>>735646820
Please, cite one reformation.

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>>735646972

>>735638527
I don't want either. They're both terrible.

>>735646820
More so in regards to the branching of the imams and imperial structure, especially with the 3 way split with India, Iran, and the Ottomans over the course of the 14th to 16th centuries.

But the Koran remains unchanged. No part is disavowed or taken with a grain of salt. Not like the book of Timothy or Genesis for Catholics. Not like the whole point of Jesus is to make the Old Testament's teachings null and void.

Not a line

>>735638527
Because they hate whites and love darkies.

>>735638527
Because that is the fad, before that it was "Mexican illegal immigrants are are friends", before that it was "Niggers, invite them into your lives".

Same shit different day. they go on the rag about "why can't you think of the pour refugees" but give it 6 months a island or some third world country will have a famine and they will be all over that shit in minutes. the game is to keep the refugees out until you can get them onto their next SJW fade.

>>735638527
Because the majority of Muslims are pretty moderate and not as stupid as idiot fundamentalist jeebus freaks. The MAJORITY of jeebus freaks are self righteous cunts who think they know it all. So, I'll take my chances with the Muslims. You think all Muslims are like what Alex Jones tells you. It's less than .01%. Thats 1/10th of 1%. Quit watching biased news.

>>735638527
Because Muslims are violent and willing to die for their cause. Also, lots of these recent Muslim immigrants are lazy and will go right on welfare and can be counted on to vote the lib-ticket to keep the benefits rolling in. Finally, because of their mid-evIL mentality, it's guaranteed that they'll do some heinous shit like blow up a shopping mall or shoot up a Christmas party and give the government an excuse to grab all the guns and bring in martial law. Look at all the wonderful "gifts" of 911. A wicked people needs MANY laws.

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>>735646334
>what the koran actually says isnt that relevant, though.
There are countries that I have lived in in which saying that would directly result in your murder.

>nobody lives exactly according to the religious texts written 1000+ years ago. just look at how many people get bible verses tattooed on their arm, or have premarital sex if you want to see how religious books translate to modern western society
That is a non-sequitur. My criticism was for the violent acts in the name of the religion. Saying that no individuals perfectly conform to every aspect of the Koran is not a refutation for my criticizing those that used the Koran as a justification for violence.

>the bible also preaches actively and forcibly converting everyone
No, it doesn't. That was left behind in the Old Testament, which was superseded by the New. The New Testament explicitly states that Christians have a responsibility to share the gospel, but whether or not a person accepts it is entirely between that person and God. No force is used, the other cheek is turned.

>>735647517
What evidence do you have to support your 1% claim? I take it you intentionally avoided the entire thread just to spread your white noise of an argument. As a gay man, I would greatly disagree with you.

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>>735647517
but my biased news are liberal faggots

>>735647135
You ever notice how they always seem to be trying kill each other in the name of their faith along with everyone else? Don't you think it is an interesting pattern?

>>735647517
read >>735646936

>>735647135
See>>735647181

>>735644447
You dở realize that most terrorist plots are hatched by the FBI, don't you?

>>735647681
your picking apart of my argument like that is the non-sequitur. plenty of christians have used the bible as justification for violence, it doesnt mean that is mainstream. nor is using the koran as a justification for violence.

>>735647974
that argument is disingenuous since the various branches of islam come from different interpretations of how the quran should be applied in life. youre comparing apples to pears here.

>>735648251
Hardly to the extent or savagery of Muslims. Ancient included.
>The crusades
It was a reactionary war to muslims invade the Byzantines, marching across Spain, and the Fucking horrendous Barbary Slave Trades.

The largest example of modern day "christian extremists" is the Westboro church, who are irl shitposters. I don't see them carbombing downtown London

>the klan
Nationalism, not catholicism. They hated catholics

>>735638527
Cuz christ fags are literal fags and we hate the gays.

>>735648601
talking about catholics is like talking about shias like theyre all muslims.

When you see sources from Wikipedia, you know that shit can be 100% trusted. Just end the thread, the big guns have been activated.

P.S. America = words biggest terrorist organization who lick Israel's, and Saudia Arabia's ass for a living.

>>735648601
that's a broad brush. next time you see a muslim on the street you should kill them, since theyre such dangerous savages.

>>735648528
No. They were in regards to imperial disputes and usurping the heir to the Abassid throne by the council of imams. Shia is more imam heavy, sunni are not. But they all follow the Koran to a tee. Again, none of the toxic parts of the Koran have ever been officially renounced, much less by even a majority.

Again, you are arguing the most basic of semantics and passing it off as a reformation.

>>735647135
I said a reformation, not different branches.

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>>735648251
>your picking apart of my argument like that is the non-sequitur.
False.

>plenty of christians have used the bible as justification for violence,
If we were to look at verses in the Koran that promote violence against non-believers and verses in the New Testament that promote violence against non-believers, which one do you think would have more?

> it doesnt mean that is mainstream
I address this repeatedly above about the roles of the moderate majority and the violent minority. Also, saying "Well, 80% of Muslims don't engage in these attacks" has no bearing on the fact that greater than 90% of attacks in which religion is the motive, the religion in question is Islam.

>nor is using the koran as a justification for violence.
Does this mean that you don't think there is a pattern between Islam and terrorism?

When is the last time you saw a Christian with a sign similar to that one pictured?

>>735648882
why? is >>735648601 a Muslim? because that sounds like the procedure only a Muslim would do

>>735648882
>next time you see a muslim on the street you should kill them, since theyre such dangerous savages.
Not an argument. Not even close to one.

I would like for there to finally be a reformation in the Muslim faith. I would like for the toxic parts to be removed and made modern. But instead you shout down every critic and turn a deaf ear to former muslims who talk about the hell that is the middle east.

You are against Islamic heretics.

>>735649097
right. i dont think there is a pattern between islam and terrorism. I think there is a pattern between terrorism and islam. the vast majority of muslims are not terrorists, and the vast majority of terrorists are muslims.

>>735649068
wtf do you think a branch is?

reform
rJˈfɔːm/Submit
verb
1.
make changes in (something, especially an institution or practice) in order to improve it.

>>735638527
I'm a liberal. I don't want Christians, I don't want muslims. I want a 100% secular society in which every man and women of any color from any nation can live together peacefully without the influences of thousand year old books from the desert. Seems pretty reasonable if you ask me.

>>735649779
>>735649716
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>>735648882
I just want to say y'all dumb as fuck for discussing this

Ofcourse religion is retarded whoa, lets have a fight over which one is more retarded!

no1 in particular just this entire discussion

>>735649779
What you are arguing is like if Italy broke in half. One side had a homily and Italian mass with a music band for hymns, the other latin catholic. They still worship the fucking pope, Jesus christ, and the same amount of the bible.

Again, like I've been saying numerous times, no one has renounced the violent, destructive parts of the Koran

>>735650116
on the other hand, did you know bears can play ice hockey?

>>735638527
(((liberals)))

>>735650116
>2 intelectal 4 me

What a fucking retard and a middle-school level of arguing.

>>735649779
>make changes in (something, especially an institution or practice) in order to improve it.
>in order to improve it
I think the last part of that definition means that islam has never been reformed
they have definitely has sectarian divisions
but every change has to make it more virulent towards non-muslims including those who adhere do different sects of islam

>>735649948
>I want everyone to live together and be happy but I will force my own belief systems upon everyone else

>>735650250
>no one has renounced the violent, destructive parts of the koran
yea they have you retard. it doesnt take a schism for muslims to say that stoning women and attacking people who arent muslims isnt how muslims should live in modern society.

>>735642236
100% of liberals are incapable of using logic whereas only about 98% of republicans are

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>>735647517
>The MAJORITY of jeebus freaks are self righteous cunts who think they know it all
Fuck you buddy I've lived in Muslim areas and still encounter lots of Muslims. A handful of them have been nice, I've met a handful that are complete scum, but for a fact they're basically all liars so don't turn your back or you will get stabbed. There's a reason Sikhs wear knives.

If you think it's bad for people to worship christ the kike, how are you able to defend a barbaric ideology put forward by the filthy murderous pedophile warlord and prophet Mohammed?

>>735650462
I think Saudi Arabia and the Muslim rape gangs of Sweden or early anon who posted polls of 52% of British Muslims wanting to criminalize homosexuality would disagree with you.

The smith's down the street can renounce that fair the same way I can renounce the Revelations. But the church does not. The Islamic faith, any branch, ahas not officially stated "Stoning gays is abhorrent. We will remove this from the faith."

And that is appalling.

>>735650391
you realize they don't agree with you, right? making something you (and i) think is complete shit is what they consider an improvement. not everything is centered around you, you know.

so isis consider their rampage as an improvement, even if everyone else disagrees. so their intention is to improve the religion, which is their reformation of it.

>>735650532
100% of Republicans think they understand politics when only 2% of them do.

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>>735649352
So... like an Islam 2.0 or Islam++? Maybe Muslim XP or somersetting.

>>735650450
Not being religious and not living your life and governing a nation through the lens of a so called moral high ground is the future for the human race. You really think people in the 31st century are going to live and have their lives dictated by books written by goat herders from the desert? Highly unlikely. Religion is much like full body hair on primates. They have that hair for evolutionary survival reasons, but if they grew intelligent over millenia their hair would become less and less needed as they develop clothing and ways to stay warm. This same thing is in humans, for some reason belief in god was something we needed along time ago, to grasp the immensity of the world around us, now like the hair on evolved primates this need to have faith will disappear with time as its a vestigial trait that doesn't benefit a modern society.

>>735650899
Gonna need a fact check, hun

>>735650760
who is the leader of the islamic faith who would make that declaration?

>>735638527
I'm a liberal and hate all religions, mostly Islam. Why do you believe liberals like Islam? Because of what skeptics say on YT and BLM? Leftist are a small portion of liberals.

Liberals believe in freedom, leftist believe in justice. We both just happen to be more likely to vote democrat. Both groups have differences and varying degrees of agreement on issues. I support science and freedom. Meaning hate and offensive speech is protected, science is how we should base our opinions on (climate change is real and we contribute, there's only two sexes, IQ is genetic), and if you don't like abortion or guns, then don't partake.

>>735642615
Nice metaphor cheese dick

>>735650750
your graphic seems to support the argument that these positions are based more on cultures within geopolitical boundaries than islam in some objective sense.

>>735651013
Donald J. Trump.

Why are conservatives such cowards ?

>>735651003
That is completely straw manning in claiming any religion is a barrier for science or understanding the world. It is infantile and has no basis in fact.

You cannot prove religion just as much as you can disprove is. I believe it is everyone's own moral agency to decide for themselves.

If you're looking for my reason for being catholic, it will take a bit, but up to you.
>mechanical engineer and nuclear engineering dual major here

>>735651313
Again, I'm going to need a fact check. Also, that's not an argument. Unless you are actually retarded enough to still believe the fucking Russian conspiracy.

>>735638527
I was watching a Maajid Narwzi (butchered his name) clip and on his show was a western Muslim woman who refused to denounce a passage in the Quran that justified beating one's wife. It was truely disturbing that a person who thinks abuse is wrong and raised in the west couldn't. I used to believe the issue was Islamists, but now realize it's the moderate Muslims who refuse to admit passages in the Quran are wrong, and have no place in modern day society.

>>735651518
it's a fact that he was using hyperbole to make a point about the current political establishment.

>>735651650
so what? there are people in this country who dont believe in climate science or evolution because they cant seem to admit passages of the bible are wrong. these seem to be ideas that have no place in modern day society either.

what is your point?

>>735651695
No I wasn't, fuck off. What's hyperbole?

>>735652069
google it.

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>>735651650
>>735651821
>what is your point?
I think his point was that there seem to be ideas that have no place in modern day society.

>>735651821
Unless you're talking about the Amish or evangelists, evolution is pretty accepted. Not believing in global warming has 0 to do with religion. You're grasping for straws here.

I think I'm a bit less concerned with Dixie rebel not believing in a biological process that, in the long run, has no affect on his life or his job on the plant as opposed to someone advocating violence against others.

>as you say this, the Muslim faith does not recognize evolution

>>735651371
Show me a religion that doesn't stop individuals from living their lives as they see fit, not how yourself or others with your similar belief systems deem appropriate. All religions when boiled down are faith based beliefs and tenants to live ones life by, without the need for objective based, reality based decision making. Take for example religious folks who will let their children die instead of taking them to the hospital, or non-emergency based genital mutilation for both males and females. There is no reason for either of those acts. But because their faith based belief system has coerced them into believing that faith without evidence is correct and that the choices they make don't matter because of some second non physical life, they deem it okay to allow sick children to die, cut the skin off of penises, remove the clitoris from women. Because they feel their actions don't matter in this life they can negatively effect an entire population through bombings, or protesting funerals for homosexuals. I do not understand why you would defend this position you have

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>>735638527
Because it's edgy and rebellious at the moment... They (muslims) also are nice as pets but left unattended the can turn into pests.

Also we couldn't keep niggers as slaves anymore or make 'em clean our toilets for free and the Mexicans learned how to read and get a real education and jobs so now we need the next batch of dumbest fucks around who actually deny some forms of learning amongst themselves so they are perfect for the shit jobs for less pay and won't get smarter too quick.

They will be domesticated in few generations and politicians know this so they use liberal and other social retards to do their bidding as they can't see what really is going on.

>tldr: (some) Liberals are manipulated idiots and we use them to get more slaves from ragheadistan, domestication is well under way.

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>>735638527
All you fuckin idiots who believe in a --insert your personal sky-fairy here-- need to jump off a 500 ft high cliff. God is a myth made up by men to install the morals needed in a civilized society

>>735650380
>What a fucking retard and a middle-school level of arguing.
well it is a middle-school level arguement

what the fuck is left to discuss on the topic of religion, they are all wank. get over yourselves

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>>735638527
well xtians are horrible creatures. like muslims, they'll bomb you, too (Olympics bombings, abortion clinics, timothy McVeigh). Donald trump is a "Christian".

tbh there's not much difference between today's Christians and today's muslims.

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>>735652776
pic related
First Lady has hard nips...in the fuckin desert....

>>735652193
>Take for example religious folks who will let their children die instead of taking them to the hospital, or non-emergency based genital mutilation for both males and females
What, all five of them? Again, you're using massive generalizations and grandstanding to show how "intellectually superior" you are to everyone else. And if you don't believe something, then by God, no one else is allowed to find any meaning, purpose, or sense of community from their faith.

And, if you would like to continue this morality based argument, okay. There would be no forgiveness without religion. It is an inherently religious belief that has been ingrained into every day life. Biologically speaking, humans have absolutely no reason to forgive. None. Every urge from when you have been wronged is instinctively anger or resentment. But forgiveness takes massive restraint, especially against someone who has done something horrible. It's the belief in a higher power and he belief in second chances that drives this to be a common attribute.

The Catholic Church preserved the Greek and Roman writings from the collapse of the Roman empire, allowing for modern medicine to continue. The earliest botanists were priests.

The civil rights movements began and we're maintained through the churches by the belief that all men are created under God.

These are just a few examples. And yet you autisticly sputter about how all religion is evil and it is truly childish.

>>735652725
Not an argument.

>>735652191
>not believing in global warming has 0 to do with religion
no, it has a lot to do with religion. when you hear someone saying "the climate changes anyways and humans dont effect it and there is nothing to worry about" that is sourced from their religious belief that god controls the climate to make it perfect for humans.

I'm liberal and I would love to get rid of both Cristians and Muslims. Both are too violent

>>735652776
This

>>735653126
are you trying to tell me there is no final solution to religion?

>>735638527
En vogue.

>>735653161
That's so fucking retarded it hurts. It's from the belief that miniscule hairless apes can affect the weather of something billions of cubic feet in size. And the fact that the earth spits out just as much shit into the atmosphere (ie mt. Saint helens).

Not saying I agree but those are the arguments I've heard. I have never once heard it through a religious lens.

>>735653555
its the source of why they deny an overwhelming amount of evidence. if they didnt have their religion telling them otherwise they would get it.

>>735651821
And they're equally retarded, but not killing people by enabling a death cult.

>>735653758
well yea they are indirectly.

>>735653401
I'm saying it's impossible to prove or disprove. I believe everyone has their own moral agency.

This is for you and >>735652193

We have magnificent brains. Fantastic. We create, we think, we are spontaneous in every way from the start of the day to the end. Just, billions of things going on inside a miniscule wet organ (I know it's more complex than that, but I'm getting to my point). I find it hard to fathom how meat, at omas and electricity, can create poetry. Can spark debate. Can give us all a reason to be here and find meaning from this thread on the fucking internet. We can grasp the concept of the universe, infinity,... conceptualize it, and fold it into our heads.

In the long run, what difference does the universe's origins mean to me? How will that get food on my plate? What matters is that WE CARE about its origins. We spend a lot of fucking time caring about it.

We, balding, eye-sight failings specs of 80 years care about infinity, creativity, self sacrifice, and the world beyond us.

In my faith, how can we mere mortals care about infinity without also having a piece of infinity within us?

>>735653734
That's not a real thing anyone believes. Plus most climate deniers look at it through economics.

Do you have a source?

>>735654144
And that's why I'm a religious man. That's also not including, the morality and sense of purpose it gives me, as well as the sense of purpose through volunteering and all the things my church does.

>>735654550
*the sense of community through...

>>735638527
https://discord.
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>>735654144
>I'm saying it's impossible to prove or disprove. I believe everyone has their own moral agency.
so then you do agree with me, it's a pretty pointless subject to discuss

i have my own religion as well. it's only beliefs are to do things as i see them fit and generally have a good time and not be a bother to other people. when i die i will meet god and he will be cool because he will approve of my ways

or not

agnosticism is the final solution to the religion question because there is no better answer

>>735654664
That's volition to believe. If that gives you purpose, go for it.

But as long as it does not infringe and attack the the rights, beliefs, and moral agency of others. As long as you are not passing laws abolishing religions or having a faith that specifically calls or endorses attacking others.

>>735655058
>>735654664
I just hope my answers have eased a little bit of that unholstered disposition against all religion. Yeah, there are some shit ones, but you cannot just turn a blind eye to the benefits or sense of purpose others get out of it.
Or at the very least, my answer gives a better understanding of how someone can indeed be religious in 2017

>>735638527
They're morons.

>>735638527
>Why do the liberals want muslims instead of christians?
it's a conspiracy for control, muslims generally are far more easily convinced to do things and brainwashed.
thus, more of them means more people under your control which in turn means more power.

now ask yourself who's behind making all these retarded politicians sign off on this rampant faggotry?
if only we knew, we'd have a fighting chance for world peace.

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>>735652776
You're an idiot. Christianity has been tamed over the past 500 years; though archaic and unnecessary, it is far, far less cancerous than Islam. This is coming from an atheist btw.

>>735656076
>This is coming from an atheist btw.
Really??? I couldn't tell...

>>735638527
For me it's because there's nothing I hate more than Christian's trying to make the world revolves around them and now they are targeting a group of people that they can't seem to see how similar they are to each other. They are both 2 sides of the same shit dipped coin. There's good Christians and bad christians. Good Muslims and bad muslims. I just hate the fucking hypocrites.