Why can't men be vulnerable too?

>vulnerable

because the patriarchy says so

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You can be. Alone.

It's when you try to be a father and a pussy at the same time that we have a problem. Once you became a father, it is your duty to put your hopes and dreams at the back of the line.

We're more important.

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>>735561227
Nobody cares about us.

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I'm vulnerable right now

>>735561227
>Why can't men be vulnerable too?
Toxic masculinity

>>735561227

Because only faggots and betas are vulnerable.

>>735561227
Awful movie

I wish they just stopped after Aliens

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>>735561227
Because society prefers mass shootings to a man's honest emotional opinion.

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>>735561227
I work as a cashier and it's kinda fucked tbh to see how differently mother's treat male children to female children.
It's honestly one of the most annoying parts of the job.

they can

>>735562519
How so?

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The patriarchy hurts men too

Because we are expendable. The only way not to be expendable is to be the go to for something... as in not weak. Doesn't mean invulnerable but that is the easy over do it. Easier to over do it then under do it and be wrong.

>>735562758
The kids will be crying and she pays no attention to him. Any female infant/toddler will at least get a "Oh it's okay sweetie" and a pat on the head.

>>735562860
You're clearly not the go-to person for English grammar.

>>735562007
I wish alien vs predator wasnt so fucking shitty. I was so excited as a kid for that shit.

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>>735561227
Because women don't find it attractive.

>>735562967
You're clearly the go-to person for being an insufferable faggot though.

>>735563093
They hold all the keys and yet they have the audacity to blame societies ills on us.

>we're the privileged ones.

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>>735563119
Thanks man. It feels really validating to finally be acknowledged for it after all these years of effort.

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>>735562838
>The patriarchy hurts men too

Why do you think women invented it then? So they get out alive.

>>735563335
Pretty damn much.

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>>735562306
>Because society prefers mass shootings to a man's psychological well-being
Fixed that for you.

>>735561544
This.

>>735562940
>>735562758
3 minutes on Google and you can find hundreds of news stories, opinion pieces, and studies on how poorly boys are treated compared to girls. By their parents, by teachers, by the media, by society... Makes no difference how old a man is; once you're past the age of about 2, you get treated like disposable trash.

>>735563093
This is true too. One of the most disgusting things for women to deal with is an emotional, sad, stressed, nervous, or scared man. That will earn you contempt that even a rapist couldn't hope to achieve.

>>735563335
>>735563494
A friend of mine got violently angry when I told her that men are actually the majority of domestic violence victims (51-49 split, men being the 51%).

The idea of men being victims doesn't just get ignored, it causes discomfort and active hate. The best case scenario for a male victim (of anything - domestic abuse, sexual assault, rape, discrimination) is to just get ignored, because when they don't ignore you, they attack you.

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>>735561227
>Why can't men be vulnerable too?

Alright, I'll explain:

The world is a war. This was most apparent when we lived close to nature, and when our technology didn't make us such masters of this war. But even now, the war is unwinnable, unending, and the same principles that obviously applied in the simpler past still apply now, even if it is not as apparent.

A society is much like a single organism. Different aspects of it serve different functions. When an organism or a society is healthy, all of its organs provide the function they are most suited to, and they perform them well.

Here's the thing - men are stronger than women and children, more strategic than women and children, and less prone to being driven from our emotions about our personal experience than women and children. We are more capable of physical brutality, and more likely to express tribal loyalty. Men are designed to be warriors. Men are designed to stand, facing the dangers of nature, and fight. We are designed to be as invulnerable as possible, so we can create the illusion of society and peace within the bubble we shield. In there, women and children can perform the functions of society that they are most suited to, but they must be protected because they are naturally more vulnerable than us.

Now, things don't always play out that way. You may live in a culture, a society that doesn't push you to be a warrior, that pushes everyone to live in the peace of society and be as vulnerable as they feel like. However, like organisms, whole societies are subject to evolution. A culture that does not push its most warrior-like organs - men - to be strong and invulnerable warriors as possible, it will be outcompeted by cultures that will do so. And then it is dead, and the people who are more likely to produce less vulnerable men will succeed, and the process of evolution goes on.

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>>735561227
Because women are cunts.

because women are hard wired on a biological level to not respect vulnerable men

so if you let your men become vulnerable outsider men who are still manly will come and take your women

it's survival of the fittest, either you remain fit, or you will be replaced

>>735561227
>Why can't men be vulnerable too?
They can, but only so that they may overcome it

Y'all motherfuckers need some traditional masculinity

here, read this
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/46473

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>>735561227
At the end of the day all women really want is to be gang raped by mass murderers.

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>>735563730
>A friend of mine got violently angry when I told her that men are actually the majority of domestic violence victims (51-49 split, men being the 51%).
Here's the source for that, btdubs: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/cdc_nisvs_ipv_report_2013_v17_single_a.pdf

Table 2.2. You'll notice too that men can't be considered victims of rape. This data is from 2013, it wasn't until 2014 that the Department of Justice fixed the wording to make it even possible for men to legally be considered rape victims. It was always filed under "sexual assault, other" before, if it was filed at all.

And yeah, that data is from the CDC. The vast majority of the public, probably even you guys, holds the notion that women are the primary victims of domestic violence. "End violence against women" and all that.

But here we are. Men are literally the majority of domestic abuse victims and not only does nobody know, people are actually led to believe the opposite.

It's so fucked. It's so god damn fucked.

>>735564358
>It's so fucked. It's so god damn fucked.
So as a man, hold your head up high and become strong enough to not be bothered by it.

That is the dignity of men
To possess such strength of body and mind that they are impervious to the slings and arrows of the world.

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Women are fucked in the head. Sorry fam. Everyone knows it.

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>>735561227
>>735563982

Of course, that does not mean that men are never vulnerable. We are not stone, and even among animals all humans are particular vulnerable both physically and intellectually/emotionally. But it does complicate how we can express it in ways that are healthy to society.

Children can openly express vulnerability to anyone, and it is healthy for society that they do so, because it is everyone's responsibility to protect children. It is not good for mothers to express too much vulnerability to children, because it is her responsibility to be strong and protect them. But she may tend to express it to adult society in general and everyone understands, because it is not her job to protect adult society. The man is the one that needs to be invulnerable to protect and give confidence to everyone else, so it seems unhealthy and anti-social for men to show vulnerability to women or children (or subordinate men, for much the same reason). We have nobody above us in the dominance hierarchy (as a whole), so there is nobody that it is healthy for us to express vulnerability to (for the health of society, that is).

When we must deal with vulnerability for our own personal health, there are a couple ways to deal with this - we can talk to an equal among men, or to a superior/mentor among men, since it is not our job to care for and protect them as we would women and children. But, since it is our job to ascend the dominance hierarchy and potentially become the strongest protector, we must do so in the context of trying to cope with our problems and become stronger and better. To simply bitch does not fit us as it fits women. To simply complain and be weak, for a man, is anti-social behavior of the worst kind, since it is a failure of function for an important organ, and when widespread may lead to the death of the societal organism as a whole. Parasites come in, or a predator runs us down, so to speak.

Be strong.

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I was so fucking disappointed about Alien: Covenant. They should have stopped milking the alien series after Aliens.

>>735564563

>That is the dignity of men
To possess such strength of body and mind that they are impervious to the slings and arrows of the world.

Maybe if you're a fucking psychopath.

Because they would get ridiculed by other men.

Women love sensitive guys.

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>>735564649
>>735563982

I should add - a healthy society is designed to be built upon healthy individuals, as a healthy body is designed to be built upon healthy organisms.

What is generally good for society tends to be what is good for the individual as well. If you confront your own vulnerability - not by crying about it and publicly whining about it - but either to conquer it by yourself, learn to defeat it with a mentor, or overcome it with sheer numbers with your peers... well, it is likely to make a happier and healthier you. You will be a better man this way, for yourself and your community, so don't lament that your nature is not to whine.

It seems easier to be a bitch, but you will not be happier that way.

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>>735564806
>Women love sensitive guys.

>>735561227
We are vulnerable. It would be a mistake to let our vulnerabilities be known, lest we be even more vulnerable.

>>735561227
Society as it is right now is built around a world war being around every corner even when a world war would be the death of all Humanity.

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>>735564563
>So as a man, hold your head up high and become strong enough to not be bothered by it.
I do that, trust me I work my ass off to be successful in all aspects of life. "But you're on /b/" yeah I know, but I've been coming here for almost a fucking decade and it's nice to say things without a name attached to your comments (aka Reddit, home of the violently retarded masses)

The reason I care about this is because nobody else does. No one. I've never been abused. I've never been sexually assaulted, or raped, accosted by teachers or parents just because I'm a man.

No one cares about men, so I have to.

>To possess such strength of body and mind that they are impervious to the slings and arrows of the world.
It's great for people to believe this. If it can help make a man more resilient, happier, and more fulfilled then by all means, do it. Believe it.

But we need to address this realistically. We need to look at this from a real-world perspective. And that is, men are humans. Men, just like women, experience emotion. Men can be traumatized by experiences. Men crave affection, they crave caring, just like women. Because they're fucking human.

My goal, my whole goal, can basically be boiled down to "We need to start treating men like human beings."

>>735564806
Men are allowed to be either tired or bored. Anything other than those are unacceptable.

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>>735563494
>>735563730

https://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/domestic-violence-industry/when-a-girl-hits-you/

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>>735564693
>Maybe if you're a fucking psychopath.
Is that not what it means to be a man?
My father had me kill animals and show no mercy so I could "be a man"
Gut them with a knife and eat their flesh so I could "be a man"
I watched him throttle my sister.
When I was bullied I was told I must make them hurt so they wouldn't do it to me again
When I cried he laughed at me and mocked me

Being a man requires a certain mindset.
One that doesn't feel pain, but inflicts it on others when they try to hurt you.

fucking man up

>>735564806
>has spent more time watching romantic comedies than actually interacting with women.

I'll give you a hint here, my friend. Humans generally don't understand themselves, and women are no exception. What they tell you they want, and what they respond to are often totally different.

Women can enjoy articulate guys who can express themselves well... but what we commonly think of as "sensitive" guys? No, that does not go over well with most women.

>>735565239
Anon was your father a serial killer?

>>735561227
They can, and there are vulnerable men but no matter how to look at it, vulnerability is a weakness, when it's exposed you have to rely on trust that it wont be exploited.

because it's a weakness men strive to never be vulnerable, and so should women.

>>735565109
See my response
>>735565239
>We need to start treating men like human beings
I disagree. The world wants us to be a certain way, let us give them exactly what they want.

>>735565333
>Was your father a serial killer?
No, we just hunted and fished together

>>735565239
>I had a shitty childhood and now so should everyone else.

Gee really makes me think.

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>>735565508
>I had a shitty childhood
My mom would always tell me that "starving children in india have it worse" when I was sad.
I learned to be grateful

>>735565592
So both your parents are fucked? K. Got it.

>>735565648
It made me resilient
I am thankful for that

Unlike my sister, she's a junkie now, in and out of rehab for the past few years.

Some people are weak willed and don't make it.

Thats what all these fucking manginas and SJWs are complaining about

that the world is HARD, well fucking suck it up

Have you noticed all the SJW women giving up and fucking Chads recently? its because in the end traditional males will always win. These "emotional males" are buying into a suckers game, they will die waiting for the world to help them while everyone moves on and forgets they ever existed.

>>735561403
nice meme kiddo

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>>735564806
>Women love sensitive guys.

>>735561866
found the closet homo

>>735562838
shit bait

>>735565648
>So both your parents are fucked? K. Got it.

I think it depends on exactly how they taught him these lessons.

If anon's father taught him to be capable of facing the brutality of the world, since the real world does have a lot of brutality in it, and be able to act brutal when you absolutely need to and not simply out of blind rage and emotion... and then his mother taught him to be grateful for what he has, respect the environment he finds himself in rather than only the fantasies in his head of how reality "should" be...
Well, in my experience, those are always the qualities of great leaders. Those are the people who stand at the edge of this pleasant little game we call society and protect the rest of us from the beast that stand outside of it.

Not everyone will understand that, and not everyone is strong enough to take on that role when trained to... but we need some people to be that guy. We need some people to learn those lessons and accept the harsh truths of the world and still stand strong anyway, so the rest of us don't fall.

True leaders, especially in the harshest of times, always have the above traits.

>>735562007
It's ok bro there's no shame in saying you are too dumb to understand the movie

>>735564669
The new movies definitely aren't as gritty and disgusting as the old ones, but I like the expansion of the universe. The "prequels" are pretty shit and don't even really feel like they're in the same universe, but stuff like Predators and AVP set off my inner nerd and make me want to know the entire story of the AVP universe.

And yeah honestly Covenant wasn't good until the very end, that twist made my blood run cold even if I saw it coming.

>>735566050
This guy gets it

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>>735565235
Anon I did not fucking need that in my life but I read it anyway. Men are, more or less, completely helpless when it comes to domestic violence. I mean that literally; they are literally not able to be helped. They can't defend themselves, or they'll go to prison and lose custody of their kids. They can't go to the police, because they'll be arrested. They can't go to the media, because the media doesn't give a shit when men are victims.

Somewhere around 31 states use a domestic violence checklist created by two feminist psychologists in the 1970s to determine who to arrest when it comes to domestic violence. The way the regulations are written necessarily makes men guilty until proven innocent, and innocence can be proven basically only if someone else saw what happened or there's video. Even then, the man will probably be arrested.

>>735565403
>I disagree. The world wants us to be a certain way, let us give them exactly what they want.
Literally psychopathic murderers and overwhelmingly unhappy and destitute sub-humans?

Yeah, we already got that.

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>>735561227
If you dont think you are-at all- as a man. You dont know woman.

Always been a guy that cried at every sad movie. But when I was younger I was overweight so people just see you as a crybaby beta at high school. Then during puberty I got buff enough for people to never question my masculinity. Women know you can physically protect them so being able to express your feelings is just a pro. You can be emotional, you just have to be alone with your girl or be comfortable enough in your own skin to not give a fuck.

>>735566160
>Literally psychopathic murderers and overwhelmingly unhappy and destitute sub-humans?
If that is what women demand, then let them live with a bunch of emotionally dead pseudo rapist psychopaths that "take control" of them.

They demand it incessantly, so give it to them and see how they like it.

>>735563023
You're still a kid, twerp

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>>735566043
>he thinks it's bait

Never take your eye off the enemy, anon. That is literally what is being taught to hundreds of thousands of college women right now, in classes men aren't even allowed to attend because a male's presence would be "too disruptive", (no dissenting opinion)

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Daly

>>735565580
Shit like this is why im MGTOW, I despise children, feel women are only for nutting in and cleaning the skid marks from my drawers.
Anything i need from women i can rent and then tell them to gtfo when im done with them

>>735561227
The word you're looking for is sensitive.

>>735566050
you don't need to be an asshole to your kids to teach them how to face the "brutality of the world." While the lessons trying to be taught are good, the way they were taught is the reason why we have such a fucked up world full of shitty, angry people. Parents should rear their children firmly but with compassion, not with verbally/physically abuse and constant guilt trips

>>735566538
"If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males."

So THATS where that shit comes from. Her students are now professors.

>>735566552
Op here. No it isn't. I used the correct word.

If you would like to start a thread about why men can't be sensitive, feel free.

>>735561227
google the bill burr bit called "what are you a fag"
pretty funny

>>735566340
>They demand it incessantly, so give it to them...
Well, we are. We beta'd ourselves pretty hard in Western civilization, and now we're letting our nations be flooded with Muslims (in Europe) and Mexicans (in the U.S.)

>...and see how they like it.
The birthrates of minority groups in Europe and the U.S. are notably higher than Native Europeans in those countries. Even the birthrate among mixed-race couples is higher than with couple comprised of two Native European people.
It seems that they like it.

One of the key things we _need_ to understand, if Western civilization is going to survive, is that men and women are different in significant ways. This situation exemplifies one of them.

We've tried to make everyone the same by raising men as women, and raising women as men. We've been successful in creating a generation where most men are just shitty women, and many women are just shitty men... but nature will always overcome conflicting cultural ideals in the end.

>>735566806
honestly the world would be more peaceful with less women. most violence now is related to the way women act and look

>>735564853
my friend, im not OP, but I needed to hear(read) your posts.

>>735564669
>people hating on covenant for bullshit reasons
nothing surprising here

>>735561227

Because women DESPISE weakness in men, and vulnerability looks like weakness. They will tell you otherwise, but their actions will reflect this consistently.

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>>735566976
>It seems that they like it.
Enjoyment is not necessary for birth anon, many of these women are suffering, particularly in Muslim nations
However, this is exactly what they demand. Strong, domineering men that take control and feel no emotions aside from horny and angry.

So I say give it to them. Let everyone suffer. Then we will have true equality.

And when the super wealthy spend their days living in supreme luxury to the point where scientific progress grinds to a halt due to their greed and decadence, and the human race finally burns out, the final act of our species will come to its conclusion.

We were brought low by the greed of a few, the short sighted childish demands of our women, and the pathological willingness to please of our men

Let sentience die with us and the universe to eventually die. Maybe the next species will have a better go.

>>735566696
We need many people to serve different roles in a strong, functional society, so there is no "one-size-fits-all" type of childhood that we should have.

You'd probably raise some excellent middle class professionals that have quite a good intellectual grasp on violence and anger. That's awesome, we can use some of them. But those people will not fit every role that a society needs to compete and sustain itself, long-term.

>>735561227
Boy the way Glen Miller played
Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us we had it made,
Those were the days.

And you knew who you were then,
Girls were girls and men were men,
Mister we could use a man
Like Herbert Hoover again.

Didn't need no welfare state,
Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee our old LaSalle ran great.
Those were the days.

>>735567267
Why do women despise weakness in men?

>>735567267
See
>>735564334

>>735567416
Because they're evil cunts that love war? Don't act surprised when the nukes are falling ladies it's exactly what you wanted.

>>735561352
>>735561813
>>735562838

GO AWAY WITH YOUR SHIT TIER MARXIST MEMES

>>735561227
Because when things get tough, being vulnerable means death. Natural selection got us where we are. The weak banish.

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Women are not weaker than men. Physical strength is only one attribute of many attributes. Emotional intelligence is another attribute and being able to use it to manipulate others effectively is a form of strength.

The fact that men have evolved into a state where they have larger muscles than women is actually evidence of women being able to dominate men. They dominate men by manipulating men into turning over the fruits of their labor to women and they accomplish this feat rather easily. Women have no need for muscles when they can just get a man to perform menial tasks for them. Your larger muscles are evidence of your forefathers having been emotionally dominated by a woman who manipulated him into volunteering to be her drone.

Allow me to put this concept into terms to which you can relate.

When you play a summoner in an RPG and you use your summoned creature to kill the enemies you encounter in the game environment while you hang back at a relatively safe distance, do you give credit for those kills to the creature you summoned? Of course not. You consider every creature your summoned creature killed for you your kill and you don't even question that you deserve the experience points. The summoned creature who actually did the killing for you is just a drone.

Getting a man to do something for her is as easy for a woman as it is for you to press the #3 key on your keyboard to summon a creature in an RPG. That isn't weakness. It is a very strong capability.

Traditional women are a very real danger to men. Damseling is how they summon their drones.

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>>735567270
>Enjoyment is not necessary for birth anon
True, but understand that the Western women in mixed-race couples in the West, marrying and having a shitload of children with foreigners from more aggressive and domineering cultures, mostly aren't being raped or forced into arranged marriages. This is a choice that they are making, and again they are making the choice, as a whole, that will propagate the cultures where men are strong, domineering, in control, and do not allow themselves to be visibly controlled by many different emotions. Our societies of equality, equity, and sensitive men trying to give women everything that women say they want - those are on a path to be gone in a few generations.

>So I say give it to them. Let everyone suffer. Then we will have true equality.
We are giving it to them. Not everyone will suffer; foreign men will get what they want, domestic women will get what they respond the best to (which seems like good criteria for calling a situation "getting what they want"), and it will only be sensitive and vulnerable Western men who will suffer, often not even knowing what went wrong.

>We were brought low by the greed of a few,
Nope, the greedy few have always been there, always doing what they are currently doing, and the cycle of society went on regardless
> the short sighted childish demands of our women,
Nope, women have always been prone to short-sightedness and childishness, and the species as a whole has long been much more short-sighted than it is now.
>and the pathological willingness to please of our men
There it is. This is something relatively new to our heritage, and it has been leading us toward destruction with every step.

>>735566113
Stop with the 5deep3u meme. It was shit and Covenant was even worse

>>735563982
>>735564649
>>735564853

This, a thousand times this.

>>735567789
>filename

You fucking mgtow faggots all need to meet up so that I can burn down the building with you in it.

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>>735567789
fascinating

If you think niggers are lazy try and get a woman to lift anything over 25 lbs.

>>735563982
>>735564649
>>735564853

http://www.sacredlands.org/forgetting.htm
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SObnO6jnAD8

>>735567789
fag

>>735567906
Marriage is retarded. Get over it.

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>>735566540
Dont fall for that bait anon.

>>735567789
So tell me anon
By and large what gender builds, programs, writes, and produces all of these RPGs?

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>>735567906
>>735567959
>>735568026

This is the short version of what I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYHvh6Ncp6M

A traditional woman rules her household by feigning weakness, wrapping her gullible, easily manipulated provision drone around her finger like a puppet on a string.

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>>735567993
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SObnO6jnAD8

>that ending
We are so fucked. Jesus.

>>735568163
This is some real shit right here.

>>735567789
It's not volunteering to be her drone, men do the things they do regardless of women even being present. They help provide for women because the alternative is that the woman just fucking does nothing and dies. You want to keep having a companion that will raise and help protect your offspring and provide sexual pleasure with? Then you give them food and protection because they are incapable of it. Children aren't protected and provided for because they're dominating or manipulating anyone, they're treated that way because they are simply incapable of effectively doing so on their own.

>>735567416
Means more work and less profit for them.

>>735567789
women only dominate weak men, if your woman can't or won't do basic things for herself then just walk away from her.

>>735568163
I finally get mgtow.

>>735568163
if only it were just that
theres always the complaint of men & violence
ignoring that female violence is either more subtle (poison), or inciting the mob and through it many drones (literally the witch hunts where women saw the "devil" - and yet women dont lie)

>>735569024
MGTOW is for quitters
Basically they see the game and decide to say "fuck it I'm bowing out" instead of just becoming strong enough to win at it

fucking pathetic

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>>735568890
>They help provide for women because the alternative is that the woman just fucking does nothing and dies.

K. Keep me posted.

God forbid they get jobs.

>>735566540
Most women aren't like that, and that post is obvious bait. Don't let shitty people manipulate you into thinking all women are like that. You're better than that.

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>>735563982
>And then it is dead, and the people who are more likely to produce less vulnerable men will succeed, and the process of evolution goes on.

>>735569176
>What is exaggeration

>>735569120
No they realised that the games rigged and they aren't winning anything.

>>735567789
i see you met my ex gf

>>735569264
that's just you trying to justify being a quitter

>>735569241
This picture is exactly true.
Even if our men are the most intellectual and "advanced" in all the ways we like to think of as advanced...
well, if we're the most advanced men lying in the ground with our people gone extinct, what good did it do us?

If some primitive culture is still going strong when we are long gone, how stupid were they really?

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>>735567906
>You fucking mgtow faggots all need to meet up so that I can burn down the building with you in it.

There's no real need. They are ending their own bloodlines. On an evolutionary timescale, they are burning the building down themselves, and your genes won't have to deal with them for much longer.

I'd recommend just ignoring them until they go away.

>>735569120
Stop bailing out the Titanic with a teaspoon and enjoy what little time you have left on this planet, idiot.

Women are never going to grow up until the ship sinks and there is no one to blame but women.

>>735561227
there's only two emotions. happiness and anger.

win something = happy. you succeeded
friend dies = angry at the world for their passing
fall in love = happy you found someone you like
lover leaves you = angry you couldn't keep them

its simple. sadness, confusion, envy, pride, loneliness, hope, all of that is just different degrees of anger or happiness. women are free to have all those gray spaces because it gives them an illusion of complexity and depth. men dont need that. Men accomplish goals or die in the process of trying.

>>735561227
But they are. Just look at >>/pol/ with their MGTOW shit and 24/7 cosplay sessions.

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>>735563982

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>>735564649

>>735569532
>>735569120

Why are you so butthurt by MGTOW?

>>735566113
But there was nothing deep about it.

Scott said all that can be said about the subject in Blade Runner. He should just stop.

He also knows this and that's why he's masking that shit in Alien theme.

>>735569879
>Why are you so butthurt by MGTOW?

Why do you think I ( >>735569532 ) am butthurt? It's true that the men who are more likely to tend toward a mgtow solution to gynocentric problems are also the least likely to pass on their genes. Mgtow are less likely to engage in relationships with women, often by choice, and thus are much less likely to have children. You're gonna die out.

I don't really care about mgtow one way or another. Unlike the women who are upset with gender roles in modern society - feminists - the mgtow generally aren't trying to rule everyone else and fuck with my life. You don't bother me. It's just a fact that your genes aren't well suited to continue. You're going to be outbred by men who can either win this game, or are capable of tearing down the game and building a new one of their own. Just facts, my friend.

>>735569879
>MGTOW
You misspelled LMAO.

>>735564649
yawn. even though this is an old poem isnt it the lynchpin of modern day millennial hipster shit? that logic of "everything else in the world pales in comparison to the satisfaction of my own personal needs". We should contribute to something larger than ourselves, have an unflinching duty to provide our strength along with that of our brothers to the world. We should trust a leader and pour ourselves into the will of that leader. We can bring cities from the earth if we set our selfish needs aside and work together under one commanding voice. We may suffer and fall and be forgotten, but the towers we raise and fall become legends.

>>735570126
Thanks for the thoughtful input.

>>735561227
You can be vulnerable, you can even confide in family or close friends and receive support and encouragement. It's when you go out in public teary-eyed and wearing your shit on your sleeve that people lose respect. Why is it suddenly such a 'toxic' and 'outdated' idea that men should show some damn spine? You don't get to demand to be treated with respect and dignity and then turn around and start fucking crying.

>>735570172
Not only do my posts agree with what your saying, I don't think the poem necessarily disagrees with you.

Yes, it highlights the importance of being able to look in the mirror and value what you see, and what you personally have done... but how many people do you know that have only lived for themselves and are truly happy? How many people do you know that cast aside their people and their society, and still seem to look at themselves with respect and honor?

I think it is important to be able to, at the end of the day, appreciate yourself and what you've done, regardless of anyone else's opinions of you - good or bad. However, we are social creatures by nature. We know it is good to work for the benefit of our community. We know we are lying to ourselves when we put aside the duty we can feel is good, and that duty is often to others.

If you lived your life playing video games and masturbating and living off welfare... well, sure, it may seem like you've lived only for yourself. But you've lived for yourself from moment to moment, never taking the long view of what type of entire life you'd like to accomplish. The man who lives that way - I don't think he reaches the end of his life and feels like he's passed his own test.

I want to get to the end of my life and feel that I've accomplished my duty in a respectable manner. My duty is to myself, but it is also to my family, to my people, to my community, to my nation, to my species, to my land, to my descendants, and so on. I do it because of what I personally feel for myself, but it involves so much more than myself.

Of course, that poem didn't specifically say all of that. But it didn't exclude it from being a reality either. I think you just read a modern, millenial interpretation into it.

>>735570172
Ok rich spencer. Never trust authoritarian rhetoric, especially when it either (a) guises itself in the form of some volksgeist, nominally accepting PoMo relativism while adopting appeals to a pseudo-Nietzschean metahistorical overman stance, or (b) utilizes superficial Nihilist/Situationist tactics to attemot to bolster an outmoded nostalgic ideology which historically has always socially & economically decimated both "othered" groups and those who supported the regime. As if some utopian masculinism can even materialize under the constrainst of global capitalism as anything other than a Stirnerian "spook" or yet another mode of Debordian Spectacle. Our hyperreal circumstances are much more pervasive than y'all realize, comrades.

>>735561227
Because we have to be responsible and accountable, bitch.

>>735570484
hello summer child
you're driving up the cost of chemo payments with so many people catching cancer from reading your bullshit

Relationships consist of the abuser and the abused, its up to you what you are.

>>735571373
"People won't respect you if you act like a crybaby"
> le cancer XD

Your dad should have beaten you more

>>735563093
they actually do, if you know how to do it right.

>>735571448
Yes he should of, because a pussy like you can't. Run your mouth online though, say that to my face. You're all talk you wouldn't make a move.

>>735571591
You seem really pissed off by the notion that no one wants to see you crying into your mojito in a bar on Saturday night. Literally all I'm saying, no one wants to see men breakdown in public. No one wants to see women do it either, but we put up with it because we put up with shit from women in general

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>>735561227
See >>735561544

Unlike the retarded cock holsters that are women, men know how to keep their shit to themselves instead of telling everyone they see. I release my anger and frustration at the gym and during the quite moments that I have to myself where I sit and reflect. Women throw bitch fits in Starbucks and then expect a man to figure it out. Fuck right off.

>>735567789
You've actually proven that women are weak. Without men they would wither and die. On the other hand, the only use that men have for women is reproduction.

>>735571977
work out bro creep.

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>>735572220
Form a coherent sentence and try again. Also, check my dubs, nigger.

>>735561227
>on /b/ asking why men can't be vulnerable
Fuckin kek

This thread is so sad I gotta say. Does no one else have a good girlfriend who treats them right and cares for them as much as you do?

>>735573192
>>735573192
Yeah, you're not the only one. But I think it is more rare today than it used to be, and it is probably much more rare on /b/ than in the general population.

>>735573192
I'd say women like that are rare because of culture/media. And I don't mean "boohoo, girls are told they have to be pretty waaah". I mean there are almost no female role models in popular culture that are based around being strong and achieving goals. Every movie I've seen that people praise for having a strong female character just has a woman that constantly fucks over or one-ups the men in the movie. With strong male characters, they do admirable shit and gain respect. The way "strong" women are portrayed is basically just constantly fucking over men because "it's a tough world for use womyn". If girls weren't told from the start that they have to be manipulative little cunts to get anywhere in life they might try actually being decent.

>>735570969
we're all very proud of you and your sociology major. now remake my latte cappuccino machiatto mocha. i didn't order mine with beardwhiskers and liberal tears.

>>735571977
/thread

>>735571970
I honestly only ever see people demand respect when they don't ever try to do anything respectable and people are giving them shit over it because they're getting fed up, so throwing a tantrum is the only way they can get it to stop. When you say cry that sounds like real tears to me, I only see guys break down into tears when they're about to fucking go off on someone big time. I don't find it funny when people start fighting for no reason or shooting up some place.
How manly are you if the toughest thing you got to complain about is seeing another guy cry?

>>735573961
You're entire post breaks down to girls bad, boys good
why don't you just get a boyfriend arleady?

>>735571374
>not realizing there is a third option

>>735574671
I'll get a boyfriend as soon as you get some reading comprehension. Single for life, feels bad.

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>>735575224
Feels great, actually. You're doing it wrong.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSl7xmsJCqQ

I feel like most of the posts in this thread have been productive. I'd like to point out that it seems as though a lot of men in relationships feel like they can be vulnerable, but they choose not to for various reasons. Would anyone like to discuss that?

Because we are NOT women you fuck head!!

>>735575224
I'm guessing you're running under the assumption I don't understand what you're saying, when I look at movies I see guys doing the same thing as the gals, except the movies usually make an attempt to make one guy look really good, and one guy look really bad, so you're rooting for the guy. A lot of these movies, it's about criminals. The guy steals a load of money from a "worse guy", he's fucking people over. Oceans 11, or Takers, honestly even the good guys in movies are just mowing down bad guys that run into their bullets. It's like earning respect or admirable things is winning a bar fight to get the clues to find the big bad villain that must be shot, or killing the dick villain(s) or it's "gritty and realistic" so everyone is a dick. You're just putting penis' on a pedestal when you want them on your lips.

Because we are not allowed too.

Because when you're vulnerable you can be controlled. That's what the world wants, nice obedient men that follow. Politicians, feminists, employers, all they want is for men to be susurviant little slaves that will do as their told. And when men don't do what they're told, they are doomed to social exile.

>>735562838
>mfw my wife does not know what the patriarchy is.

I decided she just doesn't need to know. She already knows I am superior.