Why do poor people vote against their own interests?

>>735486598
Because muh guns and abortion.

As long as they get to keep their guns, they're ok with this. I'm fucking surrounded by redneck trump supporters where I live.

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>>735486598
He could have had it all.

>>735486598
Because your ideologies dont necessarily align with your personal best interest.

It might be in someone's best interest to kill an infant for a million dollars, that doesnt mean killing the infant is worth it to them.

They're stupid.

>>735487007
What state?

>>735487162
Only true answer. Not a single redneck Trump supporter actually understands what Trump is doing in his bills

>>735486598
It has been said a billion times, there are no poor people in murrica only temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

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>>735487101
Europe=/=America

>>735486598
because niggers getting all the gubment benefits and fucking our daughters.

>>735486598
lower taxes for everyone stupid. Most poor people in america dont even pay federal taxes

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I dont know but the trend has been coming to Europe too lately, with the bourgeois parties really slowly gaining traction amongst the work force for some reason.

I don't quite understand it, but I guess its some sort of shame of your class and wanting to feel you're better when you vote for the rich guy.

>>735486598
I never like white people.

>>735486790
>>735486598

it's so telling that it's usually people like that, who live in the worst shitholes in the us, think that everyone in europe is so poor, blablabla, and that they're so fucking blessed to be part of the one nation chosen by god.

makes me sad, although it shouldn't.

>>735487409
kinda does actually.

>>735487007
preferable to niggers though and they are mutually exclusive.

>>735487367
There are more poor people in america than middle class and well off people. There are more homeless than millionaires.

>>735486598
Because you're incapable of any sort of nuanced understanding of the Right.

As an Australian and outsider looking in, America is such a fucking weird country. Why a poor, working class white person would ever vote for a right wing party is totally beyond me. It happens here too, but with Australia it's basically just voter apathy, in America these people support their parties religiously. American culture is shit.

>>735487667
Western Leftists have totally abandoned any concern for the worker. All they do is shill for minorities, which is harmful to the native worker.

just in case anyone's interested, watch "the other side" by roberto minervi. went to an artsy cinema with my gf and it was the only thing playing that night.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/movies/the-other-side-review.html?_r=0

chilling shit!

>>735487715
The fact that you think that statement is okay to say is very telling.

>>735487162
This. They're too dumb to realize that this is what they're voting for. Tell them, and they will deny it.

>>735486598
Because they're smart enough to realize that expropriating the rich will bring them only short term gains.

What do you fags think will help the poor then? Raising the minimum wage wouldn't. Welfare won't. I hate to tell you but the left has abandoned the Midwest.

1. The premise of OP's post that poor people always vote against their best interests is generally true, but
2. In the context of Trump, he was put into power by upper-middle class white people. Not poor white people. The average Trump voter is a white male who makes like $90k a year. That's the top of the bell curve. Yes, richer people voted for him and poorer people did too, but the average Trump voter was stunningly upper-middle class. My interpretation? These are the people who had nothing to worry about. Nothing Trump wants/can do will effect them positively or negatively. If he taxes corporations they're fine. If he taxes poor people they're fine. If he eliminates Bama Care they're fine, if he eliminates food stamps or tanks the economy, they're fine. If he start a gigantic quagmire of a war ala Vietnam or Iraq, they're fine. If he deports Mexicans en masse, destroys families, reverses gay marriages, they're fine. They voted less "for" Trump than they voted "against" everyone else.

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>>735488206
Well, they haven't really, but I get that the observation that such a thing is happening has driven supporters towards, for example, nationalist parties. Which is really unfortunate, because solidarity, even between nations, was always a cornerstone of internationalist leftist thinking.
Another ironic thing is that the economically right wing parties that have gained such traction within the last couple of decades are also, if not more, in support of immigration in general, because for them it means cheap workforce. The average supporter of the largest right wing party here at least is likely to be very socio-liberal, what ever that means.

>>735488270
You're most likely one of those "white people", aren't you...?

>>735487453
> lower taxes for everyone

Found the redneck republican. They are actually stupid enough to believe this, that republicans want to lower everyone's taxes. Quite sad really.

>>735487132
No, it's because stupid people are easily frightened and the Republicans know this. So they play off of ignorant people's fear and insecurity and get their votes.
You can lie to stupid people because they never check your facts.

>>735487343
I'm starting to think that he doesn't know either

>>735488574
Deporting Mexicans would be a better way to raise wages than price controls.

If you think that open borders plus a high minimum wage is sound economic policy, you sound so stupid that I assume you're arguing in bad faith.

>>735488574
thanks for that.

>>735487453
How do you lower taxes on rich people who can get out of paying any?

>>735488681
Tribal thinking is a poor way to live. I don't know what race you are, but if you live in America and believe it should be your race VS whites, it will not be a good ending for you.

Cause the easier way for bussiness people = more jobs for poors

>>735487733
As if God has a favorite country lol

>>735488746
I didn't mention either of those concepts anon nor did I mention sound economic policy

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>>735488574
>The average Trump voter is a white male who makes like $90k a year.
I never thought it was possible to be this stupid.

>>735488113
Right, which is why the Republican party scares the poor stupid people into voting for them

>>735488206
Exactly this, which even poor retards recognize. The Democratic Party used to be the party of poor working whites. Now it's the party of amnesty for all illegals and regulate blue collar jobs out of existence to save the environment. These are both existential threats to working whites, even if progressives want to pretend they're not.

But keep pretending it's because poor white people are magically getting tricked by Republicans. Hillary lost the election for this exact reason. "They're too stupid to understand their best interests," will lose the Dems the mid-terms, too.

>>735486598
National socialism.

>>735488574
Ok one problem. There aren't enough white males making 90 thousand a year to vote Trump in. So your idea has a huge hole in it.

>>735488574
The upper middle class isn't large enough to make such a difference in the election. Though once Hillary taxed the middle class even more it would be smaller.

>>735488959
This.

>>735488836
okay 90k was a bit off but nevertheless, way above the national average

"Americans who voted for Mr. Trump appear to have higher incomes than average. One analysis earlier this year found that Trump voters have a median household income of $72,000 (U.S.), more than the $62,000 average U.S. household income and more than Clinton voters earn. Even among his low-education white voters, only 14 per cent earn less than $50,000 a year, according to one survey."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/13/what-we-mean-when-we-say-donald-trumps-supporters-are-struggling/?utm_term=.e29f465c2462

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Poor people vote for Democrats all the time.

Guess what?

THEY'RE STILL POOR.

Politicians aren't going to fix your problems for you beta faggots. Get off your asses and go after what you want for yourself. No one gives a fuck about you other than your mother.

>>735488178
Probably because they plan to be better off financially in the future. I mean that's why I turned from liberalism to conservatism. I want to keep the money I've earned later in life rather than try and distribute it to the "needy".

>>735488178
Because if you vote for a left wing party, you're still poor. Amazing how stupid the masses are. It comes down to the individual to build their own lives, not political parties.

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>Raise taxes on the rich and corporations
>It's now more profitable for the rich and corporations to move their business overseas
>Those poor hillbillies lose their jobs and become even poorer

It blows my mind how absurdly simplistic liberal thinking is. You people can't fucking fathom anything beyond what is right in front of your face. I bet you all still played peekaboo into your teens. Unbelievable fucking idiots.

>>735486598

Because the plan is to reduce the tax rate from %30 to %15 across the board and simplify the tax laws so big business can not get out of paying

Right now small business pay %30 and big corporations might pay as little as %2 or even zero after playing the system

the new plan small business pay %15 and corporations pay %15 no exceptions

I hope this sheila is the new 'banana'
So cute, I think of rubbing my big hairy beer gut up against her as I pin her to the bed,my salty sweat dripping down into her eyes....

>>735489461
what is your argument??? that liberals suck? you didn't make a single point...

>>735486790
>using a single county to generalize an entire race and an entire political party


Shiggity diggity

>>735486598
https://youtu.be/3PLmGPeLsJY

>political thread
>against the rich
>thread gets image spammed
>will hit image limit

oligarchs please fuck off

>>735489575
this is /b I see that happen to liberals on every other thread.... god forbid someone even the playing field on this far right site...

>>735488959
agree with you to some degree, but blue collar work is inevitably going to be less important in the future, there's no way past that. and saving the environment doesn't sound like the dumbest idea...

>>735489557

Are you actually borderline braindead? I clearly described the flaws in the logic of OPs image in the greentext. Pull your head out of your ass you useless cunt.

>>735488959
"blue collar jobs"

just because nobody wants coal anymore, doesn't mean they are anti-working class, there are only 70,000 coal jobs left, why do we need to bow to such an archaic industry?

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>>735489546

She would like that better that some dinky doodle k pop star

why do you think white men are called Cockinasian

Oh look it's another "white people are evil and dumb so let's raise taxes for everyone so the rich can be richer and the poor can be poorer." yeah thanks George Soros I hate white people now and love rich people.

>>735486598
It's not only in America. Here in Belgium the majority of the working class also votes for right-wing parties whose policies will cost them money and abolish their rights. Every election, the same couple of parties get voted into power and they just keep taking from the common man while turning a blind eye to the corruption and tax evasion of the big corporations. Democracy sucks when half the population is too dumb to vote in their best interest and politicians only run for office to enrich themselves.

>>735489725
asshole all you said was "You people can't fucking fathom anything beyond what is right in front of your face."

what is the argument you fucking neckbeard...

you green texted what? some random shit you posted, who are you even arguing with and where did the statement come from??

>>735486598
Voting against their own interests? Do you live in America? The poor all vote left with the exception of hillbillies because they need their programs.

>>735489310
Ironically you're just giving it to the wealthy instead. You are who this post was about.

>>735489912
West Virginia goes against this, a majority of its residents receive social assistance, and they definitely haven't been voting "left" recently... don't forget Trump pulled a fast one and said he wouldn't cut their social programs when he ran...

>>735486598
>youdensemotherfucker.jpg (fuck you image limit
Case by case scenario, People are willing to give in to corrupt billionaires to fight against your SJW west hating philosophy
That's right. The corrupt, greedy businessmen were the LESSER evil.

>>735488574
By definition, the top of the bell-curve can't be the average. Statistically speaking, you can't win an election without the support of the working class.

>>735489893
>what is the argument

Fuck it. I'll just copy paste it again for you:

>Raise taxes on the rich and corporations
>It's now more profitable for the rich and corporations to move their business overseas
>Those poor hillbillies lose their jobs and become even poorer

It's clear, concise and direct rebuttal to the image in OP. What part of it can't you wrap your watery grey matter around?

There is no conceivable way that you are a functioning adult.

>>735490101
this post. is why we should have IQ tests before we allow people to breed so freely...

>>735490153
why are you green texting your own words? this doesn't make sense...

>>735486598
Morals.

>>735490184
>didnt understand the post, resulted to shit flinging
Good question, did your mother have you by accident?

>>735490280
you don't have the balls to say that in person, that's why you post that shit to 4chan... enjoy your shitty life beta cuck

>>735490367
star bucks, 10 minutes
meet you there, youre dead kiddo

>>735488746
>Deporting Mexicans would be a better way to raise wages than price controls.
The only thing I see it doing, is opening up lower wage jobs, and increasing prices of agricultural goods. Most people refuse to do the jobs that they do.

>>735490247
>I have now realized where I fucked up and I'm going to switch to troll mode because I'm so insecure and my ego is so fragile that I can't even allow people to think I wasn't intentionally stupid when I'm completely anonymous

Your response won't get read, so you're just going to have to live with this. Later gator.

>>735490590
dude you see how nobody is agreeing with your post, because it makes no fucking sense, why not make the argument like a normal person without your beta passive aggressive b.s fucking cuck faggot

>>735489461
Kansas, is the perfect example of your argument being bullshit

>>735489973
Really? I have a paycheck coming in for about $600 a week, I'm cool with this.

>>735489973
The moment you realize your true potential is when you will see liberalism as what it is.

>>735486598
What's wrong? Don't you understand economics?

>>735489646
Found the libtard faggot.

>>735490672
I agreed with his though. Don't pretend to speak for other people.

>>735490153
Corporations shouldn't be running the world. This is why globalism is bad and we need protectionism. Shithole nations where poverty is the norm and working conditions are ass shouldn't be dictating how the first world is ran. We shouldn't accept that our lives will gradually keep getting shittier to match overseas conditions and just be grateful to even have a job. We shouldn't be hostages to our own corporations. Say what you will about Trump, at least he got some major manufacturers to stay in the US by threatening to tax their products if they moved overseas. That's how it should be, not the other way around.

>>735491075
simply wondering, which group have defended net neutrality, and which group is pushing for it to be taken away?

>>735490184
That is a pretty liberal idea. I'm glad this thread is here to draw you idiots out.

>>735489787
Probably because that's about all they can fill up?

>>735490672
It's actually very common on 4chan to greentext anecdotes, hypotheticals, ideas etc.. It's not just used for quotes.

>>735486598
So, tell me, what have the dems done for them in the last eight years besides make them even poorer?

is it that hard to tell the difference between trailer-trash & poor people? and then the left has the nerve of claiming that they "represent" poor people's interests. blue collar people want jobs, not welfare handouts.
>vote for me you dumb pieces shit
>i know whats best for you more than you do
>you're too stupid to understand the big picture

>>735491734
>blue collar people want jobs, not welfare handouts.
but in the end blue collar workers dont want "entitlements" cut, for the people that need them

>>735488460
This and trickle down economics

>>735491889
that's because i need my money for myself. get yourself a job if you need some too, instead of stealing from those on a low income

>>735486598
Fear and hatred are very powerful motivators, OP. The political class figured that out a long time ago.

>>735487409
Typical Trump, doesn't even know which end of a book is which.

>>735490153
>My wife is a huge whore who wants to take as much dick as possible
>I don't agree to an open relationship so she leaves me
>Now I'm alone and lonely again

I wish I had taken the rational decision to become a cuck and suck Chad's cum out of her pussy, then I'd still have companionship now :(

>>735492250
>not understanding SSDI is an "entitlement"
>not understanding that sometimes people live paycheck to paycheck, and need some help with food
in b4 get a better job, because if only life was that easy, everyone would be millionaires

>>735492611

You've already been cucked so np.

>>735488746
The Mexican "problem" was created by Republicans who were seeking to keep labor costs down by creating an underclass. Reference: North from Mexico by Carey McWilliams.

>>735492687
i live paycheck to paycheck, and i don't need help with food. i just adapt my consumption to my income. it's just a matter of not being an entitled, spoiled brat

>>735488788
By rebating them taxes they didn't pay! This is currently being done in both the US and Mexico.

>>735493053
but living in your moms basement cuts out the cost of your food, and rent. Grown people with real bills find it hard to live off of shit wages.

>>735489106
This might be an over-simplification of the Cheeto vote, which was bimodal. (His distribution curve had two humps instead of one.) One hump was that noisy collection of overweight thugs shouting MAGA and the other hump was a bunch of better educated and wealthier people who were horrified at the notion of Her Reptilian Majesty taking office. WaPo seems to be mushing both of these modal averages into a single one, which would look funny as an editorial cartoon.

>>735491393

Dinky doodle boy deteced

>>735493389
i don't live in my mom's basement. got my own place & a caregiver job with a shitty wage.

>>735489658
>>735489730
Big city liberals are hopelessly dependent on the working class, but good luck getting them to admit it.

>>735493850
sure you do kiddo. One day if you get hurt on the job and use the entitlements, you will learn to appreciate the safety net, and stop saying try harder like some capitalistic animal farm.

>>735486598
I didn't know liberals were poor. Also, taxes lower and that's a good thing.

>>735487132
you're right about ideologies - you're example is awful.

>>735487367
brill

>>735494080
i have used the safety net, when i was in my early twenties & unemployed. then i deiced it's time to put on the big boy pants & stop making excuses for my own lazy behavior. right now i'm getting my drivers license, which i saved up for through my last employment & my wife currently works in a factory, so we got the bills under control

>>735488363
this is true

>>735494080
Quit projecting. Just because your life is garbage doesn't mean everyone else's is to.

>but I make $80,000,000 a year, I drive a lambo!

Don't even bother unless you post pay stubs with time stamps.

>>735486598
A lack of critical thinking

>>735486598

>Why do poor people vote against their own interests?

I don't know, ask the ghettos of Detroit and Chicago why they keep voting democrat.

>>735494572
And I respect that, I honestly do. Congrats, but I did not talk about lazy behavior, I was talking about Disability, and SNAP, even social security that you pay into is considered an entitlement by some in the right wing.
>>735494686
>Quit projecting
Alright, the second you ever receive any government assistance, understand you are absolutely a punk ass hypocrite.

>>735490367
>>735490470
Two butt-hurt kids posturing.
Classic - love you, /b/!

>>735493995
Well yeah, for now. Soon we'll be hopelessly dependent on automated systems though, and you'll have to come up with something new.

>>735492687
>SSDI
you pay into SSDI with your federal taxes. its not a fucking entitlement.

>>735496813
Well you tell that to people who say stop being lazy. Most of the time I see people that don't like being on government programs, but hard times have came. It's honestly fucked that trump proposed a cut to it, when people are getting ~800 a month, and most of the people are permanently disabled, how the fuck can people survive on that?

>>735491364
>i wouldnt pass the IQ test
>what should i do
>oh lets call them idiots!

this is the literal definition of projection

Trump winning was important so Jews can't get the money and Mexico's cant pass out no more drugs to blacks.

>>735496803
When we reach the point where the construction, wiring, plumbing and furnishing of buildings, not to mention the loading, transportation and unloading of the materials needed to build them, and the mechanics needed to maintain the equipment, not to mention the food industry required to sustain a large urban area are all completely automated, the people who live in that urban area would have had their jobs replaced with automation about 20 years prior. So what would even be the point?

>>735497670
>Thinking city folks don't know how to do nothing

>>735494514
>you're

its an extreme but it gets the point across

>>735489220
It's different. Niggers vote for Dems and Dems increase food stamps and welfare for them. Niggers are smart enough to vote in accordance to their well-being.

Hillbilly poor rednecks are retarded and always vote against their interests. They vote in people like Trump that do tax cuts for the top 1% saving them hundreds of billions of dollars while cutting in social programs both for minorities, rednecks and farmers.

If I recall correctly farmers overwhelmingly voted in favor of Trump because they felt neglected by Hillary. That's why so many farming states turned out red. In the end, what does Trump do? He lowers the budget of the Department of Agriculture and cuts funding to several programs put into place to help farmers.

This is the problem with them, these Republican hillbilly idiots continuously vote against their interests and always blame the left for their misery. It's sad, really. Probably because of too much inbreeding.

https://youtu.be/xP5MfjW9TuU 69

>>735486598
They're stupid.
The established powers sell them that they'd be rich too if only it weren't for the other poor people like Mexicans stealing their valuable cotton picking jobs, so better start voting in the interest of the rich because soon they'll be able to pick ALL the cotton and get rich too! Also they need their protection because otherwise the Al Kida muslims are going to come over to their Lousiana swamp and blow up the precious public outhouse.

>>735498190
>>735498190

>cuts funding to several programs put into place to help farmers.

Over-regulation and subsidies are killing agriculture and these cuts are what those "rednecks and farmers" were hoping for.

Not that youd have any idea what youre talking about obviously

>>735486598
BECAUSE I'M NOT A GOD DAMN COMMUNIST AND I WON'T FALL FOR YOUR TRICKERY

>>735498002
If nobody is working, who is going to pay us to do nothing?

>>735498515
>subsidies are killing agriculture

Holy fuck are you mentally retarded? Please tell me this is bait.

>"rednecks and farmers" were hoping for.

Yep, definitely bait. Yeah farmers voted Trump in so that he could reduce the Department of Agriculture's funding by 21% and kill many food & loan programs put into place to help farmers.

You guys are really pushing this meme way too far.

>>735488547
You have to be completely retarded to not believe in a good minimum wage in 2017, when the government collects trillions in taxes

Who the hell is going to buy the iPhone when it becomes unaffordable

>I can tell you're a conservative

>>735498957
If nobody is working, would money really still have value?

>>735486598
Well at least the rednecks don't want my tax dollars in the form of welfare payments. Can't say the same for niggers. Democrats have no shame in wanting to take stuff away from people because they are too lazy to get up and earn it.

>>735498957
>If nobody is working, who is going to pay us to do nothing?

I think I just found the title of Obama's memoirs.

>>735486598
In 2040, whites will be a minority.

That makes very rich and very poor whites very nervous, angry, and stupider that can be believed.

It's the white privilege, stupid!!

>>735499301
They earned plenty of votes.....

>>735499093
If nobody is working, would life still have any value? Sitting around jerking ourselves off about how much the machines have accomplished sounds like a pretty boring existence for a species that has spent the last several millennia building a civilization.

>>735499613
Well don't worry, we are already starting to say goodbye to civilization

>>735499466
No, they will just be <50% of the population, still the majority so long as there are more than one other race

>>735499002
>>735499002

Kek even the fucking wikipedia page acknowledges subsidies have been destroying small farms for decades.

>subsidies led companies to move out of country to avoid sugar tariffs

>subsidies led to monoculture and possibly colony collapse disorder

>Subsidies have fucked grain trade to the point its cheaper to buy rice from china than here

>Americas obesity problem directly lnked to corn syrup explosion due to subsidies

>Subsidies are going to farmers making more than average american income

>Liquor companies are eligible for subsidies

The problems have been acknowledged for decades, and farmers have been campaigning to remove subsidies since the mid 90s.

This shit only made sense when it was first implemented, almost a century ago.

>>735490050
Fun 4chan Fact #17

>I was banned for shitposting in a log thread, To date mods have never banned the asian model shit poster, andy log poster, banana poster, spiderman poster etc,

>>735500193
>Farm subsidies go to the rich farmers, screws over the smaller farms
>Tax breaks for the rich, is a good thing.
Do you see the irony?

>>735500782
>>735500782
No.

Keeping more of what you earn is not the same as being written a check with tax payer money.

>>735499077
>You have to be completely retarded to not believe in a good minimum wage in 2017, when the government collects trillions in taxes

what should the minimum wage be, and how do you keep the price of everything from going up accordingly so that increase has the same buying power?

>>735501007
yes encouraging people to be inherently greedy is a good thing. Ever since the 80's when trickle down economics was introduced, inflation boomed and wages stagnated. Please tell me how that is different than what the subsidies do to the smaller farmers.

>>735501251
create a maximum wage

>>735486598
Why do black democrats vote against their own interests considering cities like Detroit that democrats have promised to help for decades?

>>735501357

>yes encouraging people to be inherently greedy is a good thing.

Strawman. No its not good to be greedy and nobody is going around telling people to be greedy.

>Ever since the 80's

Uh oh someone wasn't paying attention in history.

The great inflation started in the 60s and ended in 82.

Let your tears trickle down because its not relevant.

>>735501251
Obviously it's all relative to living costs, taxes and most importantly INFLATION
Think about it bro, every year isn't that bag of chips wierdly going up .40 cents

Companies like McDonald's/ service industry are basically paying slave wages

Yeah low skilled doesn't secure high pay, although we shouldn't have an economy run by lobbyists from mega donors

I'd say 10$-15$ an hour is perfect for growth and stability.....the fact that China is about to take over the global economy is not good for American workers

https://youtu.be/xP5MfjW9TuU

>>735502005
>The great inflation started in the 60s and ended in 82
http://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=10&year=1950
Try again,
>Strawman. No its not good to be greedy and nobody is going around telling people to be greedy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOF03ZAuemE


Still didn't explain the difference between supply-side economics, and farm subsidies

>>735488617
Wise post anon.

>>735491337
i hope it goes the fuck away. people are worthless piece of shit cunts and they should pay to have an opinion on shitty image boards.

>>735486598
>>735486598
lmao its so true. It's the oddest part of the republican party.

>>735486598
This argument relies on the false assumption that Democrats are looking out for their well being. Or even their own constituents well being for that matter.