Fuck communism

The immortal science of Marxism-Leninism will prevail. Lenin lived, Lenin lives, and Lenin lives on!

>>735438622
Check em, dat ass
>>735439090
Fuck off queer

>>735440343
fuck off class traitor

>>735438622
Communisms kickin yo ass murrica.
Good luck out-competing china, when all you've been doing is losing the freer the open market gets.

>but if china is beating us, it must not be communist bc communist can't beat us
lol n true Scotsman eh

>>735439090
get your ass up and get ur own money puss

>>735440796
I have a full time job you dick wad. I work my damn ass off. I'm not a communist because I'm "lazy and want handouts" I'm a communist because I want equality and justice for everyone.

>>735441157
What's the point to living if you have nothing to work for? no one plays sims so they can be the exact same that shit boring. justice doesnt exist and having a system where everyone is the same is retarted, no room for innovation

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>>735440620
Please explain me why you think China is still a communist country. Bet you fucking won't

>>735441419
The overall good of society? Which of course incliudes yourself.
also
>Communists don't innovate
>first satellite
>first dog in space
>first man in space
>first woman in space

Long live Marxism-Leninism! Comrades, Unite!

>>735441955
looks better on paper shitty societies deserve shitty systems which is why communism can never work
>they didnt make it into space because they're commies

>>735442196
FUCK OFF YOU ARE NOT AN HARD WORKING COMMUNIST LIKE ME

>>735442220
they clearly had technological innovation though

>>735440620
>china is communist
>china is kicking america's ass
because being our manufacturing bitch is winning?
I forgot that having people striking because they didn't get a 1 cent raise means they all are better than us.
If people want cheap manufacturing that's bordering on slave labor they go to china
If they want something made that isn't made of 50% lead and cost-cutting materials they make it in-house
It's a known fact in the manufacturing world that if you send something to china, you are getting the shittiest product available
The only reason china hasn't collapsed by this point is that they are willing to work for so cheap that the rest of the world floods them with money
They are stuck as a manufacturing nation, that can't make any law that prevents them from poisoning themselves since that would drive manufacturing and their life-blood out of the country

>>735441955
>first man on moon
whoops, my mistake
don't see the hammer and sickle up there now do we?

>>735442584
I'm actually curious about your manufacturing, what do you still do?

china hasn't been communist since the early 80s you retards

>>735442732
CANOE

>>735438622
communism has never existed. dictatorships have called their ruse as such, and consequently people like you are deeply confused.

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>>735441687
>>735442816
Yeah yeah yeah, no true scotsman, we get it

>>735442971
also im not implying it works but neither does any system that limits democracy. capitalism has an end game of oligarchy without democratic regulation

>>735442732
specifically precision machining of controlled materials
if my company requested anything from china there is absolutely no guarantee the metal we wanted is what we are getting
normally that wouldn't be a problem, but our blend has to be specific and can't risk any form of lead contamination
china got fucked with a lot of extra lead batteries when they went out of style and unfortunately, there's been cases of companies adding small, or large, amounts of lead to cut the metal
this absolutely cannot fly, since our products are used in the biomedical field and the FDA would fuck our shit up if there was any lead in our product

>>735443063
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>>735443063
You have the true Scotsman thing backwards

Does commies actually exist or it's just a term for larpers who want to throw Molotov cocktail?

>>735443067
there needs to be a balance between the two, pure communism and pure capitalism are both bad
take the environmental crisis right now
communist countries rates of carbon pollution were significantly higher than those of capitalist countries
however, its capitalism that's fucking up the environment now, as oil companies don't want to lose a single cent of profit and have their tentacles in the pockets of many politicians
capitalism needs a leash
communism needs non-corrupt leaders

>>735438622
because there's a real chance it'll actually catch on in the states? get real.

>>735443678
>pure communism and pure capitalism are both bad
No it isn't. Pure communism is good.

>>735443678
yeah and corruption is inherent so I opt for a leash. problem is we no longer have so much as a finger on it. citizens united was a blow but there have been dozens since the late 60s into the 70s. corporate personhood really fucked shit up. the government used to be able to demand the books of any corp before they had personhood. if corps are people i wanna know what comcast had for breakfast? how many times a day does comcast shit? is it a regular or does comcast need Metamucil? shouldnt comcast need personal health insurance, i mean anything could happen to a person?

>>735444075
How's the larping /pol/?

>>735443603
Those aren't commies those are anarkiddies

>>735443424
worse than the nazis. My sides. Holodomor never happened bud

>>735444287
>>735444075
Fukin burn

>tfw communism doesn't work because of greedy human nature
>tfw capitalism explicitly enables greedy behavior

>>735442220
Communism isn't a shitty system. It doesn't work because we're human.

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>>735438622
>Fuck communism
ok

Anyone who doesn't support capitalism and liberalism is a cunt who deserves to be icepicked in the eye.

>>735444743
You do realize the politburo and the secretariat were dissolved in 1991. She ain't no commie. She is hot though. A servant of fascist Putin unfortunately.

>>735444075
>>735444618
samefag

>>735444813
Die liberal scum

>>735442249
I am. I work hard for the revolution, comrade.

>>735439090
>>735439090
>>735439090
marxism leninism will prevail [2]

>>735440620
china isn't communist or even socialist you retard, read marx

>>735444702
Would technocracy be better since there is no greedy human nature? Or atleast an omnipotent machine that would insure the presence of a fair government of man with either communism or capitalism as their ideal economic policy?

>>735444971
All you do is read about wealth and redistribution. You're a lazy fucking hipster. You''ll get the gulag

Pic related

>>735443063
if you read marx instead of relying on imageboards for information you would fucking know that communism has never existed and perhaps never will--only socialism has been attained.
>tries to argue against communism
>doesn't even know what communism is

no true scotsman doesn't even apply
stop relying on misapplied fallacies you fucking class-cuck. have fun getting fucked in the ass by porky, smiling. you're being exploited and you're perfectly fine with it. they're taking the surplus value of your labor and you don't even question it because le helicopter faggot commies xddd

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>>735445166
Forgot the pic.

>>735445063
Even with a machine as a leader, it wouldn't work. It'd only work if everyone was a robot.

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>>735444743
>HE THINKS RUSSIA IS COMMUNIST
ah yes /b/ the palace of intellectuals that definitely know what communism is from le funny maymays

youre just as pathetic as the liberals saying trump is a commie that loves putin
russia is capitalist as fuck now

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>>735443424
>worse then nazis
Nice propaganda /pol/

>>735445413
That's just a photo without any sources.

>>735445283
I wouldn't agree with machine rule. Just a machine or something non biased to help humanity towards something new, not what neckbeards (myself included) constantly complain about forever.

>>735445063
I was responding to the "communism doesn't work because of human nature meme" where capitalism explicitly rewards people for exploiting the people under them. See poster below me. On your note, having a machine to decide our fates falls strongly against the way I want liberty and the freedom to make my own decisions. Not that such an "omnipotent" machine could ever exist.

>>735444945
Someone doesn't like a combination of capitalism, welfare, and freedom.

>>735445147
>implying there will be a gulag in our future global communist utopia

>>735444945
you are confused. brainwashed and likely had trouble understanding basic trigonometry let alone more complicated things like economics.

>>735442340
This is fucking stupid, India was never communist, its a capitalist shithole and look at the wage gap it caused

>>735445564
Swag fam. Dream on memecowboy

>>735445698
of course it's stupid. conservatards rarely use logical, factual arguments.

>>735445567
American Libertarianism>Liberalism

>>735445521
There seems to have been sources, however whatever faggot cropped the image removed the sources at the bottom.

>>735445521
Yeah I cropped them out of the bottom by accident. You have google though if you feel it's necessary.

>>735445217
.....But communism hasn't been attained. And no, the Scotsman bullshit doesn't even apply because no actual communist / marxist / socialist thinks that communism has been tried. It was socialism. And, guess what? It didn't "fail." The US destabilized plenty of socialist countries and got fascist dictators in power over democratically elected socialists. The USSR democratically dissolved. Retard. Most Russians actually miss socialism and the USSR. Source: telesurtv[dawt] net/english/news/Most-Russians-Prefer-Return- of-Soviet-Union-and-Socialism-Poll-20160420-0051[dawt]h tml
>>735445755
communists hate liberals. leftism is not liberalism. we have a common enemy. the democrats are disgusting pigs.


arguing with you fools is fruitless due to your inability to actually read about what you're trying to argue against. you've been fed literal propaganda you absolute morons.

I love working an 18 hour day as a surgeon and make the same as a toll collector

>>735445780
libertarianism has an end game of privatized police brought to you by rival competitors. ie: comcast police have a reponse time of 5 minutes whereas verizon police may be 6 but they use automatic weapons. Literally retarded if you don't realize that.

>>735445861
oops second reply meant for >>735445780

>>735445917
>toll collector
you're thinking of anarco-capitalism

>>735445861
no communism will never work im not agreeing lol. people are inherently corrupt. all systems must be based on that in addition to competition. problem is pure, unregulated capitalism doesnt encourage competition at all.

>>735445956
That's ancap faggot, in Libertarianism you still rely on the government for things like that but it's very strictly limited.

>>735446034
My point is still there retard

>>735445917
>HE THINKS EVERYONE MAKES THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY UNDER SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM

dude. stop trying to argue about something you've not read anything about. read marx, then fucking argue. you're spewing straight up bullshit you learned in school and on chinese cartoon sites.

read wage labour and capital. stop relying on propaganda.

>>735438622
This
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where my leftypol brodies

>>735446135
libertarians argue way too much about what constitutes limited government. it's a retarded idea that also relies on people not being corrupt.

>I love communism because everyone's equal
Yeah except for the government but who cares as long as it's not a profit motive it MUST be in good interest right?

>>735446334
communism is stateless. its ran by YOU, the workers. that's why it hasn't happened yet. all we've had is socialism.

>>735446327
It's only retarded because you don't like it.

I don't like Jimmy why should I have to give him my money

>>735446486
>communism is stateless

no that's anarchy

communism is classless, but it really isn't

>>735442340
Yeah it'd be nice if capitalism had houses like that for people to actually live in instead of to look at without anyone in them for rich people to buy.

>>735446787
Oversimplifies why I don't like communism.

Or redistribution through taxation which is in America too

>>735446550
its retarded because it's end game is also oligarchy and eventually total dictatorship, familial autism. libertarianism includes an elimination of democracy. wealth will naturally buy influence in a truly "free market"

>>735446859
Not that guy but it's explicitly within Marx's principles that the society have no government.

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>>735445638
Hahah ho wow

>>735447196
>eliminate democracy
Kek, ok kiddo.

>>735446787
you dont "give" him your money
you just earn what you should earn instead of ceos leeching you
no one is taking your money
unless of course youre the ceo. we're comin for dat ceo money
>>735447223
anarchism (anarchocommunism) is simply communism but without a transitioning period of socialism to communism lol
communism is stateless because the people / workers run everything (that's you!)

>>735446859
Communism is also stateless.
> is the philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.[5][6]

Anarchism is sort of a subset of Communism and Socialism.

>>735445413
Wtf you realise that those deaths are from shit tier countries can you name a single true capitalist country that has lack of clean water or starvation problems?? I can name a shit ton of socialist/ communist ones with that problem

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Serious question to the leftyfags-
Why are you entitled to my labour? And if you (via the state) are entitled to my labour, how isn't a classless-society simply slavery with extra steps?

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I don't agree with anyone ITT.

But I don't feel like arguing.

I'd rather put more energy into my continuing education.

And I don't mean college, fuck college.

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>>735438622
Is that a proposition?
Because the answer is no. I'm too busy liberating the proletariat.

>>735447485
>Why are you entitled to my labour?
Why are you entitled to mine? Why is your boss entitled to 95% of both of ours?
Why do you and I need to scrape buy to buy him a a second boat?

>>735445638
>utopia
>communist utopia
>global communist utopia

You're just making it harder

>>735447601
>Why are you entitled to mine?
I'm not
>Why is your boss entitled to 95% of both of ours?
He isn't, you bargain and if you don't like his deal you can tell him to go fuck himself - and the best part is, in capitalism, you don't get shot after and get to live to look for a better deal.

>>735447601

You don't, you could set up your own business and compete with him.

Oh, wait, the socialists and lefties set up an awesome system of regulatory laws so that big companies end up having less competition because those regulations make it harder for people like you, with little capital, to start up their own companies.

Big companies have lawyers and representatives in D.C. Oil companies love socialists and green activists. You ignorant fucks, though you have good hearts, help create monopolies.

Capitalism is intelligent, though you may think it heartless. It is not that, either.

>>735445413
> Commie criticizing capitalism for causing starvation

Please google Dunning Kruger Effect

>>735447601
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BE MY OWN BOSS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CAPITALISM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
IS
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BAD
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>>735447304
>wealth will naturally buy influence in a truly "free market"
What do you not understand about that?
It's already happening.

Capitalists need to answer one thing. Why is okay for one man to expend no effort to create a copyable thing that takes nothing to recreate and get paid for it's effectively free reproduction infinitely and collect payment for it while another man can work his entire life making a collection of things to which he only gets paid per thing?
How does one justify .00005 cents of labor equal to 50 dollars worth of labor?

>>735447940
>set up an awesome system of regulatory laws so that big companies end up having less competition because those regulations make it harder for people like you, with little capital, to start up their own companies.
Without those regulatory laws I wouldn't even have been born because both of our families would have been run into the ground on 90 hours week beaten into slave labors. Our families died to put those regulations in place so we could even survive.

>>735447485
I'm arguing that your business is an entity of individuals with their individual rights. The business itself should have no rights granted to personhood. This means when I show up to work and do that work, that is my individual contribution. I am providing that job to you as much as you are providing a platform for said job.

If I work hard to be incredibly rich, shouldn't I keep the dough? To disincentivise large businesses is to destroy your own economy and lose many precious jobs
>but big business is always bad, they take my money
They also supply us all with shit ton goods and services
>ppfft I can get my government to do that plus profit motive means corruption
Because they want to make money, businesses have an incentive to make good quality shit. And with other competitors means more quality. The government is the ultimate monopoly. They have no reason to make their shit good.

>>735438622
UNITED FOREVER IN FRIENDSHIP AND LABOR
OUR MIGHTY REPUBLICS SHALL EVER ENDURE
THE GREAT SOVIET UNION WILL LIVE THROUGH THE AGES
THE DREAM OF A PEOPLE THEIR FORTRESS SECURE

LOOOOOOOOONG LIVE OUR SOVIET MOTHER LAND
BUILT BY THE PEOPLES MIGHTY HAND
LONG LIVE OUR PEOPLE UNITED AND FREEEEE
STROOOOOOONG IN OUR FRIENDSHIP TRIED BY FIRE
LOOOOOONG MAY OUR CRIMSON FLAG INSPIRE
SHINING IN GLORY FOR ALL MEN TO SEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>735448065
All I know is capitalism turn greed into cool shit. Until someone figure something neater I'm out

>inb4 space dog

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>>735447485
Communism is the ownership of your labor, man. Instead of a boardroom full of parasites deciding how to run your workplace you the worker decide how it is run.
The Leninists fucked up. They got hung up on creating a strong state because they were worried about being invaded by capitalists. By the time the union fell, the Communist Party was no different than the corporate bourgeoisie.
For Communism to work we need to ensure that we remove material hierarchy. No one can be anyone's boss. We do that by establishing small councils who govern only what they directly affect, with the democratically elected foremen of these collectives forming oversight councils to ensure surpluses do not linger and are distributed to those who need them.

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Fuck u m8
Stalin did nothing wrong

>>735448065
Incentive to innovate and create actual progress wherever possible - not this leftist 72-genders-tolerate-islam-progress. I mean the kind of progress where leftists are also worried automation won't give us ENOUGH hours

>>735448365
>To disincentivise large businesses is to destroy your own economy
To incentivize large businesses is to incentivize pararsitic offshore practices and corruption and oligarchy state which leads to destruction of economy.

>>735445413
>taking antifa seriously

>>735448461
>because they were worried about being invaded by capitalists
Well that is something they always need to be wary of. Capitalism is a disease and it ruins everything good.

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>>735448534
was literally just about to post this

>>735448461
>you the worker decide how it is run.
That's not good unless you consider jacking off and smoking weed as some kind labor

People who hate communism are just jealous losers who know they dont have what it takes to be stalin. Anticommunists are universally dumb, poor and ugly. LOL at the poor pieces of shit who arent brave enough to try communism and get as rich as stalin

>>735448461
It's all great and well to describe your utopia as such, but when you actually come to trying to implement socialism (and by extension, communism) you end up seeing that what the Leninists, Stalinists, Maoists, etc etc... was necessary to make it function. That's why all these attempts at communism turn into raging shitholes of poverty and misery, Bucko.

>>735448577
1991 disproves that

>>735448543
Capitalism can't support high density automation or progress.
Communism and society actually benefits from both.
If you think progress and automation are good, you should inherently distrust capitalism because it's anti-progress and society.

>>735448433
Agrarianism turned the need to survive into cool shit.
Feudalism turned submission into cool shit.
Now, as you pointed out, Capitalism is turning greed into cool shit, at the cost of millions of yearly preventable deaths.
That's a huge detraction, so Communism seeks to remedy that by instead playing off of humanity's inherent creativity as well as preexisting infrastructure to produce cool shit.

>>735448738
>try communism and get as rich as stalin
I'm making t-shirt

>>735448204

Without laws against killing people, we would all be killing each other, then?

I think we've evolved culturally and in our technological systems. Government is a technology, too. So is language.

If you took away whatever laws you're thinking about (to give you that much credit), there would be no difference in the outlook of society. People would know what companies are scams and which companies are honest. How? Quality and price, and comparing to other available options.

When you have regulations in place, there is less competition.

We don't need any of the kinds of regulations you imagine. They lead to a fucked up economy.

Slave labor wouldn't exist even if it weren't outlawed. We are too advanced. Anarchy is impossible, now. Everyone can communicate with ease, and there are many systems of communication available to everyone.

Whatever, man. My point is, I am optimistic and there's nothing you can say to make me cynical about the future. Shit up someone else's mind.

>>735448656
THROUGH DAYS DARK AND STORMY WHERE GREAT LENIN LEAD US
OUR EYES SAW THE GREAT SUN OF FREEDOM ABOVE
AND STALIN OUR LEADER WITH FAITH IN THE PEOPLE
INSPIRED US TO BUILD UP THE LAND THAT WE LOVE.

LOOOOOOOOONG LIVE OUR SOVIET MOTHER LAND
BUILT BY THE PEOPLES MIGHTY HAND
LONG LIVE OUR PEOPLE UNITED AND FREEEEE
STROOOOOOONG IN OUR FRIENDSHIP TRIED BY FIRE
LOOOOOONG MAY OUR CRIMSON FLAG INSPIRE
SHINING IN GLORY FOR ALL MEN TO SEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>735448039
Because libertarianism isn't about a 100% free market of completely unchecked Capitalism, it's about a market that exists to provide a playing field where free and uninterrupted competition and therefore innovation and progress can flourish. The market doesn't have to be totally free to accomplish this, in fact if it did then progress would be hampered all the same as if it were heavily socialist like in Soviet Russia. The solution is a partially regulated market to preserve certain protections and failsafes so that no one can deliberately step on anyone's toes but open ended enough to allow creativity and variation.

>>735447309
>>735447443
>says communism is stateless
>proceeds to explain that the workers are the state

this is why no one takes you people seriously

Daily reminder that the Facist Party of Italy was a branch off of the Communist Party of Italy, with the sole disagreement being nationalism vs internationalism.

Communism is a stone's throw away from facism.

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>>735448796
lol at all these dumb poor faggots who are too cowardly to be communist and get as rich as stalin. You're just too lazy to work hard and get ahead and become as rich as stalin you dumb ugly poor pieces of shit

>1991

>>735449179
>it's about a market that exists to provide a playing field where free and uninterrupted competition and therefore innovation and progress can flourish.
For that to be possible capitalism can't exist. Capitalism is inherently implements blocking competition.

>>735448796
>That's why all these attempts at communism turn into raging shitholes of poverty and misery, Bucko.
Except they didn't really. Compare Cuba to it's capitalist neighbors, Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Cuba is kicking ass with it's world-class medicine, universal literacy, and stable government. Yugoslavia certainly was doing better than the modern Balkans, with a quality of life that was higher than the US and the best hospitals in Europe. Hell, even the USSR, which by '91 was practically capitalist SocDem state, saw a massive dip in productivity and fell into a depression for the rest of the decade.

>>735449179

When you say it that way, sounds like no difference from what we have now.

Libertarians lack balls for some reason.

>>735449323
U know

He's right

>>735449303
Youre just a lazy coward. You know you dont have what it takes to get ahead in a communist society and become as rich as stalin

>>735449303
>"The means of production should be publicly owned!"
>Marx, "Das Kapital"

>"The strong should rule the weak!"
>Mussolini, "What is Fascism?"

>"THESE ARE ALMOST THE SAME!"
>You, ITT

why this hate to communism guys?

MARX SAY IT NOTHING WRONG

>>735449323
Working hard to become rich?
You mean like Capitalism
Because the whole point of Communism is that working hard to get things done has literally no benefit over slacking off and half-arsing it because you get 'paid' the same in the end.

>>735449368
Someone doesn't understand capitalism

>>735449241
>hurr dudrr you said dictatorship of the proletariat so that means commies love dictatorships too
retard
you have no concept of dialectics

>>735449577
It worked well for stalin, the lazy ugly poor pieces of shit ITT are just too afraid of a little hard work and competition to prosper and become rich in a communist state

>>735449420
I'd chalk it up more to two party believers myself, everyone considers a vote to Green or Libertarian a wasted vote but then throws one at Trump or Hillary to prevent the other.

>>735449648
then why was stalin so rich and handsome while youre so poor and ugly? Communism > capitalism you poor ugly cowardly loser

>>735448878
You got me convinced. Is there a form of national communist or is it inherent? Wouldn't want those polish migrants in my communist utopia, right?

>>735449368

No, that's the socialist conception of capitalism.

The conservative/libertarian conception of capitalism is "individual freedom to associate with others."

Your conception is something like "people being allowed to do anything in their power to keep and gain power, including immoral things."

Which is just stupid as fuck compared to the libertarian/conservative idea of what capitalism is. It's just very Neanderthal.

When people do immoral things to gain or keep power, government stops them. That government doesn't need you or anyone else to be master-planning how it will work. It just works. Why? Because, like language, government evolves to suit our needs. It is a technology and a system.

Capitalism is simply a facet of nature. Human nature. And describes what our economies gravitate towards. Why do our economies gravitate towards capitalism? Because our systems recognize that it is the most fruitful and sustainable form.

It will carry us to other galaxies and to better lives.

It is simply nature. Greed, sex, happiness, are all part of nature. Stop hating. Just be happy, it comes from within. Then you see that focusing on greed is what gave it negative power in and through your life.

>>735449876
Underage b&

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>>735449412
>Cuba is kicking ass with it's world-class medicine
If you aren't gonna take this seriously, I'm out lol.

Pic related, it's where you should go for your bypass surgery

>>735449648
What does working in capitalism get you? For 90% of the workforce jack shit. I could be the best goddam cashier ever, and at the end of the day I'm going to get replaced by a machine. Some worker in a slave factory in Cambodia could be Jesus Christ himself and never get out of the factory, let alone to the upper echelons of the corporate world.
Success in a capitalist society is mostly luck, a small part sociopathy, and almost entirely unrelated to "hard work". Despite what capitalist propaganda may tell you.

>>735449723
>you have no concept of dialectics

and you have no concept of reality

>>735449648
>You mean like Capitalism
That's the opposite of capitalism. Capitalism is working hard to become poor.

>>735450017
Cowardly loser detected

"Oh please daddy market, save me from having to work hard to get ahead, i'm so poor and sweaty and lazy" -you

>>735450002
Capitalism creates classes, classes block competition. There's no way around that.

>>735449420

I totally believe in Austrian economics, which is the core of libertarianism, pretty much.

I would have voted Trump if I had voted. And will be voting Trump in 2020.

I don't like either party, but don't consider Trump to be of either party.

I view Trump as a catalyst for bringing the future closer to now.

Unpopular, yes. But I don't care to make a huge show of justifying or defending my beliefs. It gets to a point where that doesn't matter so much anymore, or where I don't waste my time on people.

>>735450052
So I take it all the (legal) immigrants in the USA who went from several dollars to making a powerful and hinest living are all fakes and faerie-tales?

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>>735450043
>The don't have fresh paint on the bedframe! How horrible!
It's funny to see capitalists debate figures and numbers with sad pictures.
Meanwhile, we have bright and shiny hospitals who turn away patients without insurance in the US.

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>>735450209
>Capitalism is working hard to become poor.

>>735450473
*honest

>>735450325
>Capitalism creates classes

human nature creates classes bub

>>735450325

or how about most people don't want to develop themselves and put themselves through the painful processes of becoming a leader and a businessman?

And there's people who do so and cultivate that mentality of self-improvement and serving others in their family and association?

You know how rich people hide their wealth?

In books.

>>735450473
Yeah, mostly. What isn't fairy tales are the slums those immigrants were trapped in for a century before the anarchist and communist labor movements got them concessions.

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>>735450611
Human nature creates a lot of things.

>>735450531
Why are you so cowardly and lazy? If you were really so great, you'd welcome communism so you could be as rich as stalin

You just know youre dumb, poor, ugly and lazy and dont have what it takes to get ahead

>>735450626
>You're a slave worker in Micronesia?
>Well, I guess that's because you didn't read enough, dummy!

>>735450626
By definition not everyone can be leaders. Not even every other person. You need a workforce and leaders don't work harder and aren't stressed more than workers either. They also get paid significantly more.

Also, many people do develop themselves. There's a reason why there are people with PHDs in STEM fields who can't get good jobs.

>>735450611
this

some people will always feel superior to others in many areas, even if you say "everyone is equal" there will be others who argue.

>>735450737

Again, you don't understand what capitalism is.

We would never be claiming it's human nature if we didn't believe it applies to pre-history.

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>>735450475
>Meanwhile, we have bright and shiny hospitals who turn away patients without insurance in the US.

most hospitals actually have financial assistance programs for people without insurance

you can literally get major surgery and walk out paying $0

>>735449878
There's NazBol. They're kinda weird, though.

>>735450684
You're gonna have to prove they're fakes nig, you act as if it's impossible to succeed by working alone in a Capitalist society when plenty of personal accounts tell you otherwise.

>>735450823

But they read and see enough to know to hate capitalism.

Then they elect socialist politicians who "help" them out.

>>735450915
How are you even defining capitalism? Because at this point your cherrypicking.

>>735450925
>you can literally get major surgery and walk out paying $0
Well, you'll be in debt and have to pay whenever you earn money that gets deducted but yeah sure, whatever. Going into 100K debt for major surgery and then taking 15 years paying it off is cool.

>>735449878
lmao #nazbolgang
duganism
strasserism

>>735451125
Capitalism is defined as whatever makes me richer and you poorer and keeps you coloreds off my lawn.

>>735450854
Thats a lot of words for "i'm too poor and lazy to get ahead"

Lazy poors always hate communism because they know that they domt have what it takes to be stalin

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>>735451245
>you'll be in debt

you won't

if your hospital isn't shit, they will waive fees if you can prove your income level is below a given threshold

and the best part? these programs are often privately funded with grants and donations

stop being a salty welfare bitch

socialism/communism is not going to make you a better, wealthy person

>>735450052
And success in a Communist society is entirely based on how much of the leader's ass you kiss and how many dissidents you are willing to execute.
If success in Capitalism is based on luck, then success in Communism is based on nepotism and murder.

>>735450994
>plenty of personal accounts
What, so you've got anecdotal evidence? Sure, you can name "rags to riches" propaganda stories, but I can point to people as well who accomplished equally impressive feats or worked just as hard without any recognition.
You've got comforting myths that say if you work hard you can be anything, but I've got more honest stories about men and women who worked there asses of pulling 10 hour shifts six days a week in mines, factories, refineries, shityards, wherever, across the country who had nothing to their name when they died. They worked. They produced value in this country. And they got nothing for it.
The working class isn't in such dire straights because they aren't good enough to be rich, they're in dire straights because capitalist society needs them to be to function.

>>735451696
Sounds like communism is a meritocracy while capitalism is a lottery. Communism wins again, you poor lazy worthless piece of shit

>>735442809
so pay up or we will stick you in a gulag

>because we care

Capitalism is literally the economic system of lazy fuckers making everyone else work for them so they can collect welfare for making people work for them.