YOU HAVE NO CHOICE. FREE WILL IA AN ILLUSION.

>>735373369
I made a choice not to believe in your delusion.

freewill - 1
your delusion - 0

Funny you mention IA which stands for Intelligence Artificielle

>>735373369
>IA AN ILLUSION.
preach on brother.

>>735373369
ya , so what ?

>>735373481
youve been programmed to do it

>>735373481
That choice was already made for you.

Freewill - null

>>735373738

does that mean you were programmed not to do it then?
or did you choose to believe that there is no freewill?

Op is a heterosexual.

See? I made a free choice

>>735373825

how would you know someone else made the decision for me?

>>735373914
i was programmed to write that reply

same like this one

>>735373369
ill have the blue one please

>>735373986

were you programmed or did you choose to make that reply yourself?

>>735373954
Your statement suggests another person made that choice for you. That's not what I said.

Listen to Sam Harris: https://youtu.be/hmO5uwzFg0M

>>735374060
just think about it , if choice is real then why everyone does the same shit whole life

my script says i will fap to femdom porn soon and then watch tv

>>735374128

no. i am claiming that no one made that choice for me but me.
>That choice was already made for you
that line suggests that someone made the choice for me.

>>735374150

that's not a script. that's your perversion and you choose to act on it.

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this is my perversion

>>735374243
I know what you are claiming. But you're response indicated that another person made it for you.

It's a hard concept to grasp. But listen to Sam explain it (far, far more better than I ever could) with an open mind. You don't have to believe it.

>>735374270
its a goddamn simulator of unimaginable size

everything what can exist exists

in another universe weve been talking opposite things

in another one we are being fucked by gorillas , if that doesnt break physic laws somehow

doesnt matter what you "choose" because every possible option exists somewhere

>>735373481
does agency=free will then?

>>735374545
*Your response...stupid autocorrect.

>>735374545
>That choice was already made for you.

I was asking the person that made this comment how would he know someone made the choice for me?

my response did not indicate anything but a query.

>>735374560
Not how the whole multiverse thing works

>>735374560

>doesnt matter what you "choose" because every possible option exists somewhere

of course it matters since your existence is right here and right now and not some place else.

>>735374716
agency? what do you mean by agency? sorry I have no clue.

>>735374904
sure general rule is dont get fucked

but you cant jump outta window , instinct will prevent

>>735374806
I know. That was me. The word "someone" suggests another person. If that's not what you meant, I retract my statement.

>>735375147
well whoever or whatever then. i mean you're saying that everything is already programmed so there must be a programmer right?
and i'm claiming that there is no such thing.

>>735375106

>instinct will prevent

Which is not a choice you made

>>735375290
>there must be a programmer right?

Something, somewhere.

>>735375478
that's why I asked " how would one know ?"
>>735375394
>Which is not a choice you made

you still have the option to jump out a window though and you choose to follow your instinct.

>>735373369
I did choose to read this thread. It's a limited choice of actions, but it's still a choice.

>>735375683
And if you do jump out that window it's not a conscious choice you made. That was already decided for you.

If you don't jump out, then that's what was decided for you.

Whatever you "choose" is just the illusion of a choice.

>>735376195
choice is made few seconds before you think youve done it

>>735373369
maybe. but that's no way of life. if you have no choice you can't be made responsible for anything. so it's better to believe in free will or nothing matters.

>>735376445
...so what? you want to live thinking it's not up to you?
Because given that information, a part of you still wants to agree or disagree.

>>735376432

so you thinking that everything is an illusion is not a decision you made then?

>>735376696
Free will is an illusion. I'm not sure about everything else.

>>735376786

>freewill is an illusion

did you make this assumption yourself?

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ITT pop psychology pseuds who are too depressed becuase of their depleted levels of testosterone after excessive masturbation.

>>735376828

No, see this for one of many explanations >>735374128

>>735377034
True...I'm due for one now, too.

>>735377101

you can't explain it yourself?

To whit i dont find it suprising one bit that the doubt of being to make your own choices starts in high school.

No doubt a person who has always had to defer to their parents when making a decision or choice would certainly believe that free will doesnt exist.
Also not suprising in the least that many people who deny free will, are also reactionries of religion, specifically the abrahamic ones.
Escaping from a totalitarian dogma which casts a long shadow on your morality.
Not suprising in the least i tell you.

>>735373369
very low bait

>>735377294
Not really...At least not do it the justice that Sam can. Especially not in a 4chin post. It's a tough concept to grasp.

>>735377305
>reactionries of religion, specifically the abrahamic ones.
but god gave us a free will. else there would not be sins.

>>735377501

awe. so you chose to have another person explain things for you?

no wonder you think there is no free will.

>>735377576
Ha...funny.

I will let someone else who can explain it FAR better than me explain it. Don't get mad cuz you disagree. I can't blame you for being skeptical.

>>735377576
but that's absolutely legit if there was critical thinking involved which of course needs a free will.

We have choice the same as a fucking sparkler chooses where to shoot Sparks. It seems random but there is a cause and effect to everything which is dependent upon more variables than we can calculate accurately. We may as well just enjoy the imagined control and accept the predisposition. There is no way out.

>>735377708
Not if "critical thinking" was predetermined.

>>735378011
Right. Ignorance is bliss.

>>735378071
Attitude doesn't give you control

>>735377576

not mad at all. i just feel sorry kinda for you i guess since you let a guy on youtube control your life.

>>735378071
>>735378114

Both of these statements agree.

>>735377556
Im sorry i mean reactionaries against the abrahamic religions.

They are reacting to the religion.

Read harris dawkins dennet and others of similar ilk.

>>735378247
He doesn't control his

>>735378247
Have you ever been to college? Has a teacher ever explained a concept to you? That's all this is, m8.

And Sam doesn't control my life just like he doesn't control his.

>>735377679
lol. im gonna repeat my response since I responded to my own comment instead.

>>735378247
not mad at all. i just feel sorry kinda for you i guess since you let a guy on youtube control your life.

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>>735378031
People choose how to interpret their expierences

Prove me wrong faggot.

>>735378347
Prove you control your actions

>>735378345
that's not control. that's called learning.

it is up to you to accept and use that knowledge to your advantage.

>>735378396
i feel like pooping but i hold it to reply to your comment

>>735373369
Inexperienced/Uneducated = Free Will = Glass Half-Full
Educated/Experienced = Determinism = Glass Half-Empty

>>735378381
Chemistry doesn't make choices, and you are alive because of chemistry

>>735378436
My comment controls you

>>735378381
Prove that you're right first.

>>735378468
and my comment just controlled you. lol

i controlled my feeling of pooping.

>>735378491
Prove that proof of proof can be given by a person without free will

>>735378399
Right. So my point was to learn from his explanation. That's all I did.

>>735378522
And so on and so forth and into the past as well as always it has been. Action and reaction. You imagine your control because you have to. It is what you are because you have to be. This is why I am laughing at this thread, because we argue against free will, but what sense is there in changing minds when there is no free will? How silly! I am here to laugh.

>>735378580

to learn. yes. but obviously he's controlled your life by accepting his notion that there is no freewill.
everything you do in life is irrelevant now since you think that everything is pre determined.

>>735378399
You arent engaging in critical thinking.
Saying sam harris effectively disproves free will in one video just shows that you are desperate for answers and will settle for the first convincing one that comes your way.

I will tell you that sam harris is feeding you junk ideas that he just peeled off of pop sci headlines without going further into the issues themselves.

He put too much trust in scientific discovery and fails to understand the limits of current methods of quantitative analysis.
He also likes to believe that once science has spoken that is the end of the conversation. Treating science more as an ideal than a continuous process.

>>735378547
I can't prove anything just like you can't. These are just theories that I find compelling. You can't really prove one or the other.

>>735378731
He has no free will to do so, he is predetermined to be who he is, as are all of us. Why are we debating?

>>735378680
>You imagine your control because you have to

I control my actions therefore I have free will.

>>735378731
I don't think anyone's desperate for anything. It's just an interesting and compelling concept. Don't be so dramatic.

>>735378444
Prove that chemistry doesnt make choices.
Further more prove that you didnt chose chemistry as a way to ibterpret your expierences, instead of any kind of literary or philosophical fashion.

>>735378680

so you made the decision to create a thread about freewill just so you can have a laugh?

>>735378491
See
>>735378945

>>735378845
It really butthurt a you to entertain the notion that you may not have control of your life. I think you need to sort that out, but then that is all yours to live. My suggestions only a reaction to cause action, it has to interact with your predetermined mind first.

>>735378949
I didn't create the thread, I am just laughing at you dipshits arguing if free will exists or not.

>>735378920
You are deflecting.
I can feel your ego trembling in the psychic aether.
>>735378844
Becuase dissent is the mark of a free person.

>>735378945
If chemistry made choices, how the hell would we reliably create polymers, synthetic medications, genetically modified organisms. Do you seriously think chemistry can't choose? That is beyond brain damage retarded.

>>735379040
oh okay.

that's good to know then. carry on laughing.
>>735378980

but I do have control of my life. and so do you. you made the decision to let a guy on youtube instill that idea of not having control.

>>735379111
Part of a function. All things in a system must balance back to 0.

>>735373369
Define choice, faggot

>>735379166
You can't know if you have control of not. If you don't have control but still feel you do, it could be the properties of the system which you don't control that makes that illusion. This whole argument off both sides is autism.

It's pretty easy to proof, there are only 2 options how events can relate to each other
1. determinism - events are connected.
2. random - events have no connection

You can savely conclude that people don't act randomly which enables you to predict them in the first place. Errors in prediction are merely due to lack of knowledge and capacity to simulate accurate.

There is also a quantum level interpretation that any perceived randomness is just entanglement complexity we can't fully unwind.

>>735379202
Your metaphors are lacking

And you have no grasp of meta analysis.

And your game theory is shit.

A counter doesnt go back to zero. It keeps counting.

>>735379293

lol.

I know I have control.

Hey if you feel like you have no control, maybe you need to change your lifestyle or your way of thinking.

>>735379156
A child will choose the sugary drink unless there is somr guidance.

A negative ion is attracted to a poitive ion in the same way, and would take more guidance to make the situation otherwise.

I feel sorry for your shallow and claustrophobic thought process.
I hope you find the light that shines outside of the walls within your box.

>>735379341
Oh my god what is begging the question you faggot,

Errors in prediction are merely due to lack of knowledge and capacity to simulate.

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>>735373369
Okay... and? Unless it actually makes a difference i could really give less a fuck. Give me a reason why I should care about me having free will or not.