I don't tip. Ever! Why should I? Does /b/ tip? If so, why?

youre damm rigth

>>735297977

I only tip the waitress's if they have a good boob jiggle or a spankable ass

the most i have tipped ever was $100 best camel toe i have ever seen

>>735297977
>Why should I?
Because, at least in america, any job that gets tips can legally be paid less than minimum wage, on the expectation that tips will make it up.

>>735297977
Rarely, when I'm out with a girl, otherwise nope

>>735298113
Please tell me you wrote that on the check.

>>735298116
That's not my problem wage cuck

Tips are a bandaid on the failure that is capitalism.

>>735298165
Sure it is. If you don't tip, you're scamming them out of money.
If you can't afford to tip don't go out to eat.

Because I'm not poor.

>topkek

ENTERING TIPPING THREAD FOR THE 34198128th TIME TO EXPLAIN TO RETARDS HOW TIPPING AND WAGES WORK:

In several states in the US, employers are required by law to pay employees the state-mandated minimum wage regardless of how many tips that employee received. In some states, this can be as high as $15 an hour, which still has to be paid in addition to tips.

In all the other states, employers are legally obliged to pay employees the state-mandated minimum wage, but they may deduct tips from this amount until they are paying a minimum of ~$3 an hour.

Anyone claiming that people only make $2-3 an hour is either retarded or a liar. It is against the law for anyone to work for you and make less than minimum wage. If an employees tips plus the minimum of ~$3 an employer is allowed to pay tipped employees does not match or go above minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference.

Nobody has ever legally made less money than minimum wage because you decided not to tip. Don't listen to lying faggots.

>>735298324
Oh, okay, so you're not stealing from the worker by not tipping, you're stealing from the owner.

Same diff.

>>735297977

I don't tip because I'm sick of waiters and waitresses trying to play up the "we make less tham minimum wage we HAVE to get tips" nonsense.

No you fucking don't. US federal law mandates you MUST be paid minimum wage. If your wage + tips do not equal minimum wage, then your employer MUST pay you the difference to get you to minimum.

It's not my fucking fault you're an idiot and dont stand up to your employer and take them to the labor board. I'm not paying extra for your fucking wage when I'm already paying for food

>>735298519
>>735298472

>>735298116
Fun fact, of someone doesnt make minimum wage with their tips that week, the employer must pay them the rest to make minimum wage.

>>735298116

This is so fucking incorrect it pisses me off. You must be a waiter.

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Your daily reminder that tipping your waitress/waiter is pointless.

>But anon we make our wage through tips

Your employer is supposed to pay the difference so you make your wage.

>But anon that's mean if you don't tip):

Rather tip the cook or something, the ones that actually do the work.

>>735298156
Sadly no. im too beta to do that.

>>735298559
>>735298472

Here in Europe tipping is absolutely not mandatory. Most people either don't do it or give a very small amount to round off the number on the check. Everyone is ok with it because on average everyone gets paid enough.

>>735298663
>Everyone is ok with it because on average everyone gets paid enough.
The difference between the US and Europe.

"Oh, even if you don't tip they'll still make minimum wage!"

Minimum wage isn't enough in most places.

>>735297977

I only tip dudes doing way more than they're requested.

Example: I and my oneitis were waiting in line. Before us, a group of 8 noisy faggots waiting to enter.

Young waiter comes out and says there were three tables for two ready, and makes us and two other couples enter.

It was actually an eight people table (three tables) that he split in three, making the 8 jerks wait even more.

I left a full fiver to the waiter because he not only made us skip the jerks group, but he was right on the spot taking orders.

>tldr, I never tip if the dude only did his fucking job.

>>735298748

Then either get a second job or fuck off and get a better paying job. Sorry your Art degree doesn't entitle you to earn a livable wage. Maybe you should have thought about your life choices better

>>735298748
Then get a real Job

>>735298848
>>735298864
Minimum wage jobs used to be enough for people to live on.
Why shouldn't they be?

>>735297977
It's technically not on you that corporations can pay employees less than minimum because they get tips now. I do it because I feel bad for them, but it's charity I don't feel I have to and if they give me bad service depending on how bad I might not tip them at all. Basically everyone's retarded blaming the customers when it shouldn't've been legal to pay less than minimum wage to workers that get tips in the first place. What needs to be done is revoking that law increasing the minimum-with-tip amount each year until it's back to federal minimum at least.

>>735298640
>Rather tip the cook or something, the ones that actually do the work.
Well, I don't how it works in America, but here,in the good places, all the tips are stored and divided at the end of the month depending of your position.

>>735298748
Then develop a skill and get a real job you useless piece of shit

I tip 20% no matter goddamn what
More, if it makes the number round

Even MORE if they're shitty servers.

>>735298922

Get a better job? I make 80k a year because I went to school for a proper career.

I just bought a 3 bedroom, 2 bath house with an acre of land. I own a brand new 40k car.

I'm 29. Sort your fucking life out

>>735298956
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>>735298997
Does mommy still make your tendies too?

>>735298997
>>735298956
>>735298864
>>735298848
Why the FUCK do you people assume I'm a minimum wage worker? Goddamn. I've never worked a min wage job in my life and I never will, that's why i went to fucking college.
I'm worth so much goddamned money I pay tuition in cash and make the money back in days.
I just give a shit about min wage workers because they're people too, people who aren't as lucky or as smart as me.

>>735298519
1. It's not something union and the labor board can fix it's a law we as citizens need to put to a vote to revoke.
2. They just fire you if you can't make enough tips, they see it as proof of incompetent work you can't do shit in a labor board if you're fired.

>>735298559
Right, then if that happens again within 6 months they're fired. Is there literally zero people on this thread that actually was a waiter? This is common fucking knowledge.

>>735298922
Is it enough, you will not die of hunger on a minimun wage

>>735298232
I paid the bill.

do you tip the fucking shop keeper when you buy milk? do you tip a bus driver? do you tip your internet provider? do you tip Amazon? no because you already paid the fucking bill.
tips are a gift for providing an exceptional service, only niggers expect free money.

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>>735297977
You don't have to tip, but if you don't then you should at least have the balls to tell your waiter that before ordering.

If you don't, then you're just a cowardly kike exploiting the system, trying to milk better service for nothing.

>>735299220
Sure, you might not DIE of hunger, but you will be hungry.
And if an emergency happens, or you get sick, you'll die from not being able to afford care instead

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>>735299252
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>>735298232
Incorrect, it's his problem because it's the duty of every citizen to put on a ballot an initiative to revoke the law that allows this bullshit. INB4 employees have to make up the difference if the tips weren't enough. Yeah, they'll do that maybe 3 times if they really like you, then your ass is fired. By not tipping you're not stealing from anyone you're just not helping a waiter who's wage is being stolen and cut by their employee.

>>735298663

clearly you don't live here in Italy.

I always laugh hard at those waiters/waitresses working for 150 bucks per week (about $3 per hour) without any legal coverage, contract, insurance.

they timidly beg for some tip, trying to not to be noticed by employer - generally the cashier guy because here noone would ever trust an employee to manage money. And also because if the customer is a known dude, they accept the cash payment without emitting a receipt.

And you don't even have the right to complain, because taxes here are high as fuck; if the employee's wage is 1200, it will cost the employer almost three grands.

>>735298472
>not paying for someone else employee is stealing
are you being retarded on purpose?

>>735297977
You have an opportunity to be a reasonable, well-adjusted person or a douchebag over a couple of fucking dollars that alone will make effectively no difference to either of you. Your choice.

>>735299287
don't live in an impoverish country then.
move to Africa, less gun crime and obesity and less poverty.

>>735299410
I thought that's what this thread was for

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>>735299220
>Is it enough
In these modern time, no, it really isn't.

And if you don't believe me, quit your current job and find a minimum mage one to see if you can live off of that.

And if you try to feed us some bullshit about how you refuse to quit your current job to go work at a lower paying one, then congratulations, you've proved out point.

>>735298997
30% of the jobs here are minimum wage jobs, should one third of the population really have to live in poverty sharing houses in groups and living like its a second world country

>>735298324
This wasn't the case for most of U.S. history, a law was put in place so what was before a high skill and well payed and respectable job, being a waiter, was reduced to mcdonalds cashier status by legally allowing the owner to cut pay checks despite the fact that it's not costing the owner ANYTHING having the employees get tips.
So basically if you don't care about who's getting money and why then our system of tipping makes sense, if you have a brain however then you can see the waiter is being ripped off in what should be a high skill and high paying environment. Things wouldn't be any different now if we didn't change the law besides waiters always getting a fair wage for fair work and restaurant owners not getting a huge cut on employee costs compared to any other business. Ihop waiters just wouldn't get tips. We'd do it like the rest of the world where unless it's a fancy venue tips aren't involved.

>>735299287

wrong

In any first world country you literally will not die because you cant afford care. In the US you will get care even if you cant pay for it. Most hospitals, if you cant pay and have no insurance, will waive the costs or work out very very long easy to pay plans.

>>735299252
With that argument you should tip every service providing job.
Bank cashiers
Supermarket cashiers
Internet provider support
Gas station worker

>>735297977
I live in Tokyo for 4-5 months a year because of work. When I get fucking amazing service and they don't want a tip, and then I come back to the states and some hambeast wants money for bringing me the wrong order and stinking like a beached whale, it makes me feel bad for the future of my country.

>>735299866
You're comparing apples and oranges you retarded cunt. Those jobs have never had tipping associated with them.

>>735299252

"I'll only give you good service if you slip me extra money over what I get"

So you're saying it would be okay for car companies to sell purposefully defunct cars, but the expectation is that you slip them a little extra to give you the not shit car?

To all you claiming that tips is a nessecarity..... no, it's not nessecary for me, the guest. And the customer/guest is alwayr right, right?

>>735299539
no retard refusing to quit a well paid skilled job does not prove your point.
why would anyone get a job that doesn't pay them enough? that is the main bullet point of every interview I have ever been to, if the salary is a piss take then I say no thanks and move to the next one.
a shitty paid worker is still allowed to look for a better job you know, they are not prisoners.

>>735297977
Because waiters only make 2.14 an hour, and by not tipping you aren't changing the system you're just cheating a minimum wage worker out of rent money.

>>735299902

you forgot to mention that here in Japan "tip" is a mandatory voice in the tab and is named "service" (10 to 20% of the grand total), because actual tipping would seem like corruption

>>735300106

waiters make minimum wage. period. end of story.
They don't make 2.14.

>>735299776
ha ha great country you got there.
Murcia
freedum

kek

>>735299776
Fox news is pissed poor people have fridges, so to answer your question. Yes, many fuck heads do feel that way.

>>735299996
I love how you faggots rely on putting words in my mouth to make counter arguments.

Nope, but the vast majority of wait staff will go out of their way to perform better because it's supposed to mean extra gratuity. They won't refuse to do their jobs at a satisfactory level if you tell them you won't tip, if for any reason it would mean they would get fired. It just means they won't bend over backwards to give you extra good service because the $3.50 an hour isn't worth it.

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>>735299803
>be my dad
>no money or plans for retirement
>need heart surgery, get triple bypass
>get slapped with hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical debt
>collection calls, the works

it doesnt matter if there is some 'payment plan'. oftentimes, a person in this situation basically loses any chance they had of ever being financially stable. it puts them in debt until the day they die, and i am surprised they havent lobbied to make peoples families responsible for their debt so as to really destroy the middle class once and for all

>>735299776
I never understood, how the usa destroys its country slowly by itself.
Those people working min wage are either uneducated or in the process of getting education. The foremost could be fought by cheaper or free education and would mean less people at poverty border.

>>735300084
you act like there is enough well paying jobs for everyone to have one; somebody has to do the low paying jobs its basic fucking math that if there is 7 good jobs and 10 people 3 of those people are going to be stuck working shit jobs

>>735300084
>why would anyone get a job that doesn't pay them enough?

You just proved my entire point with this one sentence you dense retard.

>>735298251
this

>>735300291

then maybe the poor should stop shitting out kids? Not my problem you niggers and rednecks keep fucking to try to abuse the welfare system.

My family and I are going to sit up here comfortably in middle-upper class and enjoy all the benefits it brings me in the US. Why would I ever want that to change? lol get a life

>>735299958
>Those jobs have never had tipping associated with them
Nice ad hominem.
You may want to go back 50 years, back then each of those jobs was tipped.

>>735300169

he actually tried to write 3.14159265368979, that is pi, but got wrong and wrote 2.14

>>735300179
I'm not from murica though

>>735298770
if you think a "full fiver" is a good tip, then youre a poorfag raised by niggers

https://youtu.be/7P2fJ4iuxTo thio

>>735298947
>Well, I don't how it works in America, but here,in the good places, all the tips are stored and divided at the end of the month depending of your position.
the asshole people are expected to pay the server in most cases

>>735300169
I would put the amount of waiters in the US who actually make minimum wage because they don't pull enough in tips to break even at less than 1%. Nobody would be a waiter if they only made minimum wage. It's not worth that amount of money, which is why it is assumed that most people will tip, which is why you are just a stupid cunt if you want to throw a fit over four dollars and act like you have the moral high ground.

>>735300291
you act like you don't live in a 3rd world country.
how can your citizens die of hunger whilst they have a fucking job. how are they not beggars?
your country is in a shit state but you yanks bang on like you own the world. like it would be hard to take out a country of malnourished broke cucks.

>>735300169
If they can get tips to make the difference. If they run bad luck with non tippers like many shown here on this thread then the company has to cover the difference. I've never heard a company do that more than 3 paychecks within a year. It's often grounds for being fired actually. So no, not really end of story. You can not tell me with a straight face this is the exact type of situation all other minimum wage workers are put under. Bad luck? Bad week because family died? Well you didn't get enough tips so that's a strike, lucky if you get two strikes than get fired right after that.

>>735298770
>Example: I and my oneitis were waiting in line.
how can you expect anyone to give a fuck about your opinion when you start the story this way?

>>735300285
even if the whole population had Phd's that would fix nothing, the bad jobs would still exist and people would still have to do them because there aren't enough good jobs for everyone.

>>735300298
how? because you are a fucking idiot who will lick boots for pennies. have more self worth you useless piece of shit.

>>735300586

THE LAW REQUIRES YOU TO MAKE MINIMUM WAGE.

IF YOUR WAGE + TIPS IS LESS THAN MINIMUM, YOUR EMPLOYER IS REQUIRED TO PAY YOU THE DIFFERENCE UP TO MINIMUM

Trying to claim waiters make less than minimum wage is disingenuous and only makes people want to tip less because of the lying scum waiters

>>735300687
didn't I greentext well? sorry, it's my first day here on 4-chan

>>735300609
Because we do own the fucking world . Come tell us differently fucking Muslim cock sucking fag.

>>735300625

The company is REQUIRED BY US FEDERAL LAW to make the difference.

If they don't you contact the labor board and the company is forced to. Sorry that you are a pussy liberal who cant stand up for yourself and your rights as an employee

>>735300738
>MAKE MINIMUM WAGE.
>IF YOUR WAGE + TIPS

fake and gay

either "TIPS" is on both lines, or is always absent.

>>735300443
Africa?

>>735300756
half of your population is dying in poverty.

sure doin it good.
you is kangs

>>735300718
You are thinking wrong, those low education jobs never need any creativity, so they can and will be replaced.

https://advisory.ey.com/strategy/automation
The forecast of 45% of jobs being absolete in 30 is kind of scary, but that is our future.

>>735300795
IT CAN ALSO FIRE YOU IF THEY DO IT MORE THAN ONCE

holy shit I never said what you said wasn't true fucking learn to read

>>735300609
where did i say that people were dying of hunger you mongoloid? I stated that people have to live in groups and with very little because theres not enough good jobs; also im not american you tard

In America, at least, the people you're not tipping usually only make half, or less, than minimum wage. They live off the tips they make, and if they have a night where nobody tips them they're going to be in a very bad spot financially. If they give good service, there's no reason not to tip them other than if you're poor enough you hardly have enough money to even pay for your own food (Like me). Even then, I try to throw in at least a couple dollars.

>>735297977
Okay, now i dont mind giving tips to people, BUT if they are demanded thats when shit gets wrong, tips should be given to people who deserve them

i had this experience with a complete shit waiter, he was a dick and looked bothered when we ordered so after that i didnt tip him,and he almost flip his shit so fuck that

>>735301009
African?

>>735300996

If they fire you for them breaking the law you can sue them.

Or maybe you can stop getting jobs at shitty companies with shitty employers? Maybe stop working in the ghetto?

>>735300825
leaf

>>735300738
Except that's not on a day to day, paycheck-to-paycheck difference. That's yearly, or monthly. A couple weeks of bad tips can fucking ruin a waiter's financial life.

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>>735298116
except US labor laws still require them to be paid atleast minimum wage if tips and pay dont equal it. So if I'm not making up the difference, the employer has to.

Your argument is invalid.

>>735301180

fake and gay.
it would only mean the waiter didn't plan his spenditures and assumed hazards and risks

>>735298947
Very few places in America do it like that, and it's done voluntarily by the restaurant. There's no laws requiring that that happens.

>>735301180

its literally paycheck to paycheck. If your paycheck is not the amount made up for by minimum wage they have violated the labor law

Sorry about your lack of spine and understanding your rights as an employee

>>735297977
I have never tipped a dude. I tip for personalized things such as getting a massage or a haircut where you might have a good conversation with the person over some length of time. I would never tip for food service.

>>735298472
How is it stealing in any sense? If anything the're stealing from us for taking tips and not reporting it so my tax dollars go to support their dead weight.

>>735301428
this

obvious tax scam

white knights think they are helping the poor but they are lining the pockets of the rich.

too dumb to realise

>>735298848
People like you are why this country has gone to shit. You act like there's some kind of limitless supply of jobs. Here's some news, fucker: Someone has to do those jobs. They're not just gonna go undone.

People in the 60's could get a big ass house and a cadre of people to jerk them off for the rest of their life in minimum wage. People today making minimum wage can hardly live above the poverty line.

Not to mention a huge amount of people working minimum wage have useful degrees, but like i said, there's not some limitless job supply, and people have to live.

People who act like you have never had to work for something a day in their life, they got it handed to them.

>>735299803
>wrong

You're the one that's wrong, buddy. When you say most hospitals, you mean a very small minority.

>>735301616
>Someone has to do those jobs. They're not just gonna go undone.

literally robots

literally robots could do the job of a waiter

in fact in a lot of modern restaurants, thats whats happening

Sorry you got a career that can be replaced by a robot

>>735301616
that's what you get for being so immigration phobic, in my country the immigrants do all the shitty jobs, there are still lazy people who scrounge off the state but generally there is an abundance of well paid jobs if your white and from this country, that's all the qualification you need to live in the black.

>>735301098
1. Durr Hurr yeah they're going to admit to firing you for something they can't legally fire you for. For fucks sake, one slip up from an unknown employee to frame the one on the shit list is enough. It's not hard to work around that shit if you actually talked to people with these kinds of jobs.
2. Yes because people can get whatever job they want whenever they want it doesn't matter if you spend 40 hours a week at least applying for jobs and barely getting interviews because they grew up poor in a family that didn't care about college or their grades. They just didn't 'apply' themselves enough right you naive fuck? I fucking envy your privileged life to really think it's that simple.
3. Move?... MOVE?? Security costs, if it's not a ghetto the rent's double at least, and people in this situation can barely afford to keep the lights on as it is let alone save up diddly jack. It's not the 1950's, minimum wage stopped keeping up with inflation since the 60's so what do you do? Do you realize this is a problem and want to actually make america great again by fixing it? NO you out conservative 1950's conservatives by being fine with the poor living like 3rd world citizens. When even racist sexist conservatives of the 1950's didn't mind the poorest people having a decent life if they work 40 hours a week.

>>735301743
is health insurance not a thing? it's not exactly expensive you cheapskate, maybe spend less money on weed and more on improving your situation you loser.

>>735301818
so then once all the minimum wage jobs are replaced by robots and a massive portion of the population is homeless and unemployed because theres way more people then jobs what solution do you have then?

>>735301883

>because they grew up poor in a family that didn't care about college or their grades.


There it is! Ding ding ding! Here's where we blame it on someone not us. "We were too lazy to study in school so got bad grades and now we cant get good jobs so other people should have to tip to take care of us"

Should have paid more attention in school idiot

The most annoying thing is this thread is that all the tards arguing against tips automatically assume the people for them are working tipped jobs. I've never worked, and never will work, a tipped job in my lifetime. Doesn't mean I can't see that people live off of those tips.

The solution would be to push to pay servers actual minimum wage so we wouldn't need to tip anymore. That'd be the logical solution here. I bet none of the anti-tippers ever thought of that idea. They're too busy trying to say everything wrong with them instead of trying to fix them.

>>735302017

Let them die? We're too overpopulated as it is. This is natural. Eventually the number of humans will fall down and equalize with the available resources. That's nature and happens to every species.

>>735302017
how is that different from now? they need to go and get a fucking job. YES it is literally that easy you lazy fuck.

>>735301818
>Implying I ever have or ever will work a tipped job

Robots won't magically fix everything, fucker.

>>735302014
yeah because people working minimum wage have plenty of money they are just blowing on stupid weed and are in no way living month to month where they can barely cover the costs of living as is

>>735302081
oh start a fucking charity then saint faggot.

>>735302041
I'm doing fine in college actually, I'm talking about people that are in that situation which is what a lot of poor people are. "should have paid more attention in school idiot" mm, yes when their parents, siblings, friends, and even their teachers don't give much of a fuck about education (seriously look at any ghetto public school the teachers look like they're in hell) they're just lazy for not studying in such an environment there isn't any cultural reason at all for this educational slip up since CHILDREN have full control of their destiny and fully grasp the importance of good grades and education from birth.

Stop clumping privileged 20 something liberal cucks with CHILDREN.

>>735302176
have you not seen terminator? seems pretty fixed to me.

>>735302017
I am not that guy, but I already posted earlier in the thread. The problem with automation is, that the population, that is spending all the money they have, is gone, then the economy will loose income. And I don't understand why the usa is not researching ways out of that spiral.
Most of europe is researching unconditional basic income and mini jobs. Thos mini jobs could be simply cleaning the street or helping the neighbourhood.

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>>735302226
budget better, stop being greedy capitalist American and live within your means.

>>735302149
do you just not understand the argument? the point is that there wont be enough jobs many people wont be able to just "go get a job" you fucking retard

>>735302176
But they are already in most modern restaurant chains.
Tablet for order
Tracked robot or flowing ribbon for orders
And that is the current situation. KI technology is growing exponentially at the moment.

>>735302415
>live like a 3rd world citizen when your grandpa working the same job at minimum for the same hours had what you'd now consider a decent middle class life.

god fucking bless america right?

>>735302453
fuck those worthless losers then.
if your too lazy to get a job then your not worthy to live amongst worthwhile people.

>>735302176

they will fix (aka destroy) the jobs that do not require being smart and educated