I don't tip. Ever! Why should I? Does /b/ tip? If so, why?

>>734837911

No

>>734837911
i do cuz im a waiter lol

>>734837911
I don't because poor and because I don't

>>734837911
This looks so weird seen by an Italian.
Why this job in your countries is based on tips? There is no proper salary?
Why don't tip also every other job, so?
What if I am a postman? I want my tips too

I do bc I do in the hope that these bitches suck my dick one day. Male and ugly ones I don't tip

>>734837911
it depends. in germany, first of all people dont have to live off of tips, its a nice bonus to have. i used to work at a pizza delivery and i valued it alot of someone just gave you one more euro or rounded up + one euro or something like that, its just something nice to do.
if the service is good in a restaurant/delivery service ill most likely round up + two euros. if its shit idgaf anyway

I tip because
1. The reality is that servers do not get paid very much.
2. I can afford it.
3. When a server does a good job, is pleasant, friendly, accurate and efficient, I think it's good to reward that behavior.
4. At most of the places I eat, the servers are single mothers and I know they need the money.
5. If you are a good tipper and go to the same places enough to be remembered, you will get the occasional perk that offsets the cost of the tip (get a double if you only order one shot, bigger portions, free dessert, whatever). Sometimes I've gotten enough "extra" food I can take it home for another two meals.

Not telling anyone else what to do, just answering the OP's question.

>>734837911
I work harder than waiters/waitresses.. I don't get tipped. I get paid by the cunt I work for.

>>734837911
I leave an average tip for average service, a good tip for good service, and no tip for bad service.

I don't tip because I don't live in a 3rd world country where workers need to beg money to pay for a bad health insurance.

>>734839185
>Why this job in your countries is based on tips? There is no proper salary?
They get literally minimum wage salary and basically live off tips. Maximum cuckpitalism.

>Why don't tip also every other job, so?
It'd be hilarious if a cop arrested you and then politely waited for you to tip him.
>*khm khm*
>Did you like how I warned you about banging your head on the car, sir?
>Did I read you your rights too fast, sir?
Actually they take bribes, so that's even worse form of compensation for shit salary.

>>734839608
So how do you know if they have spitted in ur food, but when the waiter still friendly smile in front of u?

>>734837911
I do, because servers remember you and fuck with your food.

>>734837911
I do, you must be a nigger. They don't tip.

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>>734839664
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>>734839722
I don't, unless they make it blatantly obvious.

But the waiter doesn't know how much I've tipped until after they've already brought the meal, so unless they're just spitting in everyone's food, my tip won't affect the service I receive.

No, because I'm not an Americunt and my country doesn't get away with paying fuck all for select jobs with the expectation that customers with bleeding hearts will make up for it.

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>>734839664
Americans BTFO again!

>>734839511
This. If you're to poor to tip why are you going to a bar or eating out?

The purpose of tipping is to offset the fact that in the US, servers are not paid a living wage. That is the current state of affairs and the reason that the cultural norm of tipping exists. You not tipping is you not participating in our current social contract.

If you want this to change - it is controlled at the state level. Write your governor and your congressman. Don't short someone what is essentially their paycheck because you have a problem with a policy they did not create.

If you don't like this system, change it. Not tipping will not change it. Not tipping is an ineffective, weak minded attempt to rebel against the prevailing wage in your state. It'll never work.

I become a regular at a restaurant.
I pick a cure waitress and figure out her schedule, roughly.
Try to only go when she's working.
Tip her really well every time.
Chat yer up every time.
Within 5 to 10 visits she's asking me if I want to come have a drink with her after she gets off work.
9/10 times get laid in the first night. I've had a couple of serious relationships start this way.
I'm 45.

>>734839922

I could afford paying $10 for a bottle of water. That doesn't mean I'll buy it.

>>734839181

>I'm poor

If you can't afford to tip you can't afford to eat out, faggot

>>734839981
Alright man. Just don't be surprised when you start to receive shit service if you frequent the same places.

>>734839981
>>734840296
Also I agree with the other anon about the perks you get in most places for being a good tipper offsetting the actual extra cost. Just my opinion of course.

>>734840296

That's okay, I don't eat out very often. I'm a bit of a control freak over my diet and macros.

>>734840238
I'm already paying 7$ a fucking head for maybe an entree and then drinks? Sorry I don't give a fuck if your boss isn't paying you enough because he's a cheap fuck. But don't make me supplement someone else's shitty morals and then tell me I don't have to right to eat where I want because I'm not gonna give some bitch 20% of my bill just for carrying a fucking tray.

>>734839511
None of these are good reasons to tip.

>1. The reality is that servers do not get paid very much.

This is the server's problem, not mine.

>2. I can afford it.

Just because I can afford to do something isn't a good reason to do it. I could afford to eat a $100 bill.

>3. When a server does a good job, is pleasant, friendly, accurate and efficient, I think it's good to reward that behavior.

None of this is exceptional behavior. It's the basic requirements I expect out of anyone waiting tables at a restaurant. I don't reward someone for performing the basic requirements of their job.

>4. At most of the places I eat, the servers are single mothers and I know they need the money.

Again, this is the server's problem, not mine.

>5. If you are a good tipper and go to the same places enough to be remembered, you will get the occasional perk that offsets the cost of the tip (get a double if you only order one shot, bigger portions, free dessert, whatever). Sometimes I've gotten enough "extra" food I can take it home for another two meals.

I don't go out to eat often enough that this is worth it. And in general, if you're eating out often enough to be remembered by wait staff, you could save a lot more money by learning to cook, and not having to rely on free extras.

>>734840238

>If you can't afford to tip you can't afford to eat out, faggot

If he can afford to pay the bill, he can afford it.

>>734839511
>servers do not get paid very much.

Can't be my problem, can it? Why don't they just get a better paid job?

>>734839731
Only if you go to the same restaurant pretty frequently.

>>734840638

True dat! Blame the place you work at for not giving you enough money, don't take them off customers, that's a shit move these restaurants choose to take, fuck em!

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>>734839664
>>734839805
>>734839916
I live in a fucking 3rd world country and I dont need to tip ro anyone or make the stupid stanment before I order of "I wont tip" shit. I order my shit and I paid what I have to paid without any "extra" shit cuz the waiter was "nice" to me. fuck off, they are already paid a salary to work well and make good service to the costumers not paying a tip to do what they Supposedly to do


and fuck you if you dont understand my english, I dont need to learn your hamburger retarded language

>>734840660
Why arent you the president?
Some people just cant be fucking engineers you know?

>>734840794
Exactly. It's not my problem if a business doesn't pay their employees enough. That's an issue between the employee and the employer. I refuse to be drug into the middle of it.

The only reason the food isnt just more expensive is because that labor cost is added after in the form of a tip. Its a stupid system but is the only reason you get good service, otherwise thoes people would get other jobs and you would get tge people who work at walmart taking your orders. And that would suck.

I tip because I worked in a few restaurants as a kid and I know what bad tippers get on their return trips.
You may think your waiter or waitress won't remember you, but in fact you're the only customer they remember.
And if you leave a really shitty tip on a big bill or no tip at all you can believe the whole crew heard about it before you made it to your car.
I've seen jizz, pubes, and spit, go into the food of bad tippers. Y'all have been eating it gladly for years.

>>734837911
If the service is good I tip 20%, generally.

I used to wait tables part time. The hourly wage for a waiter in the US is less than minimum wage since tipping is customary. And waiting tables is hard and often thankless work. I like to show that I appreciate good service and I like to be kind to others.

>>734839933
well said

>>734840914
>Some people just cant be fucking engineers you know?

Still not my problem. I don't tip the cashier in the supermarket, and not the guy who sells me a new harddisc, or something like that. They have a job, they earn money, and if they are not satisfied with that they can just get another job that pays better.

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>>734841044

If it's a good looking girl that has the eye on me when serving me like an Egyptian god then I'll give her a tip, providing she pleasures me in the back room afterwards.

>>734841009

I don't tip because of a simple cost/benefit analysis.

Sure, there's a chance that someone could spit in my food. But I don't go out to eat very often. Once a week or so generally. And I never go out to eat at the same place more than once a month. And most servers don't do that stuff to people's food for fear of being fired or worse if they're caught.

So the chances that I show up to eat there again 6 weeks later AND I get the same server AND that server remembers me and that I didn't leave a tip AND that they decide to spit in my food AND that I don't notice it is really really small. Not nearly large enough to make me pay an extra 20% for every meal I eat.

>>734840660
Bad argument. They all could...yet we still need waiters so they ask can't.

They purposely get paid less than minimum because of expected tipping. If restaurants paid them better then tipping wouldn't be as appropriate. But then the increase wage cost would be carried over to the prices.

>>734841258
That will cost you 25%.

>>734841205
Those people dont: greet you. Tell you about a menu. Take a drink order. Bring you said drinks to where u are sitting. Answer questions. Take your order. Talk to the kitchen about ur order. Bring ur fat ass said food. Refill ur drink. Clear ur plates. Make conversation. Shit they dont even have to fucking smile.

if you dont tip i assume it's because you're a sadistic fuck or actually retarded

>not understanding the government trashes server paychecks, not the company. any job in the tip industry is the same way, they trash paychecks because its near impossible to accurately show the government how much cash tips you walk away with every day

>>734841275
It would cost even less if u made ur own food u fat fuck. Jesus

>>734841286
>They purposely get paid less than minimum

So??? No excuse for robbing me for eating there, they just have to do the job they are paid for.

>>734840238
huehuehue your salary comes from my money too, you ungrateful bitch
If all the people who eat out occasionally and don't tip because they can't afford it would just stop eating at your boss'es place he would be out of business and you out of job. Tip is meant to be something extra, not regular addition to your salary.

>>734841275
It's really not.
Servers talk and they talk about bad tippers. It's solidarity. The hostess saw you walk in. Remembers you as the guy that stiffed becky.
Seats you in carol's section. Goes to tell carol. Carol dips her used tampon in your soup.
For fear of getting fired? The managers of the establishment are in on it too. They're gonna side with their people over a cheap smuck like you

>>734841586
I do most of the time. That's why I only go out to eat once a week you dumb shit.

>>734841481

Don't care about all that. I come in, order my steak or whatever, eat, pay the bill, and leave. Their personal life and their "helpfulness" doesn't interest me, I am there for the food.

>>734841597
... And they do with the expectation of the tip. Again, they are paid less purposely and legally because tipping is customary.

If you can't afford a few extra bucks for someone's hard work then maybe you should eat at home while you count your dollar bills.

>>734841258

Cheap price when I order a burger for $7 and get a good shag afterwards for the low price of $1.75

>>734841629

Yeah, I don't really believe you. Servers and ex-servers like to perpetuate this myth because it scares people into tipping. But I worked at a restaurant in college and I only saw it happen once. I reported it and the guy got fired immediately.

When I used to work in food service my restaurant had a camera pointed at the front door. If you left no tip we would print out your photo and hang it up in the kitchen

Also as a bartender, I make way more money in tips. I'd have to make like 100/hr to be comparable. Plus it's all cash, no taxes, fuck the goverment

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>>734841822
I can't argue with this logic.

Also, checked.

I worked at a restaurant once, spit in the food on the daily, mostly for giggles.

Fuck tipping if the cooks don't get a cut of it. The server doesn't do shit. Pours the coffee, asks you what you want, punches the order in on a computers, brings it to comes back once to ask you how it is and then takes the plates back. The coom has to prep the food, cook it, probably cuts and burns themselves a couple times a day and sweats their balls off in a hot kitchen all day.

I hated seeing servers walk out with double or more than I made while they sat in air conditioning all day rolling silverware and occasionally running food while the rest of pushed food out nonstop. The only breaks we got in our 10 hours shifts was two five minute smoke breaks a day. Don't smoke then no break for you.

TL;DR fuck tipping and fuck servers.

>>734841602
Literally not how the system works, but that's cool too.

>>734841991
I filled the tortellini with my excrement from a plastic bag I brought from home.

>>734842082
But you got paid a higher hourly wage from the restaurant than the waiters did, yes?

>>734837911
i don't even get tipping, if a waitress already gets 10% why do i get for intergrating database software? 1k a time? Makes no sense why stupid people should get extra, be glad you can even exist dew social programmes, else mother nature would have wept the entire dumb bloodline already

>>734842082
lol then serve you fucking giant faggot. or are you too socially inept to be able to carry on a conversation with a stranger without making them feel uncomfortable. dont work in a restaurant and work the worst possible position and then bitch about how tough it is and how little you make when there is a position most likely open where you can, like you said, double what you currently make

>>734841836

I did 12 years in shit hole kitchens and I never saw it either. They didn't even fuck with the well done steak the asshole who comes in the minutes before close orders.

>>734842256

Yep and every server there still walked out with double what I made everyday, in cash. I had to wait 2 weeks to get my money on my pay cheque.

>>734842474

Male servers are rare in restaurants that serve booze. We had hundreds of girls work there but the number of men hired I could count on both a hands.

>>734842501
just because you don't see it doesnt mean It doesn't happen. you think I'm going to spit in someone's drink in front of everyone?

>>734842759
was it the only restaurant in the entire state?

>>734842593
Then perhaps you should have waited tables instead, since it is so easy and lucrative. Make better choices in your life.

>>734842930

It was a town of 5000 people. The other 3 restaurants did the same thing. Next closest town was 30 minutes away, the cost of gas and wear and tear on the car would negate the extra wages and other jobs in the town were rare since a large factory had closed a few years prior and everyone took what they could get and kept it.

And I don't live in the States and never would.

>>734841481
But I am as polite to them as they are to me. I too greet them, I smile when I talk to them, and always thank them for their service. I don't bother the waiter with conversation and choose my meals from the menu without the need of any explanation. Bringing order to the kitchen and bringing my meal back is their fucking job, just like any other jobs listed.


Is America really a country where you need to pay people for them to be polite?

>>734842849
>you think I'm going to spit in someone's drink in front of everyone?

Except you said all the servers talk about it and the managers are in on it? So which is it you weasely little liar? Everyone's doing it and everyone knows about it? Or you do it in secret because you're afraid you'll get fired.

>>734840638
>None of these are good reasons to tip.
In your opinion.

I explained why *I* tip. They are good reasons to me.

I only tip if I get good service. Usually hot girls who are sweet to the customers get paid the most around here.

>>734837911
Let me entertain you.

There was a case in the US of this Jewish cunt so cheap, she'd never tip, but always asked for delivery from a Chinese place.

Fed up with her utter rudeness and failing to realize a tipping culture is just that, a culture, the Chinese guys did something to her food.

Lo and behold, she contracted oral herpes. Now you may ask, how the fuck?

As it turns out, the food was tested. They found the semen of 4 different men in her food.

You know the likelihood of contracting and STD (such as herpes) is rather slim. She had been eating cum (among other things) for quite, quite some time.

So yeah, keep your tip, keep your change. Also keep the snot, cum, dirt, rat feces, and anything that "accidentally" makes its way into the food of non-tippers.

Just like I heard how bacon powder often made its way into pizzas ordered by non-tipping Muslims, or how kosher labels were placed on platters served to Jews.

Yup, keep the change.

>>734837911
I tip because I am not a miserable shitbag. I wouldn't tip in a culture that would consider it rude.

>>734843259
Is whatever shit country you come from so deprived of personality you expect people to behave all the same?

In the US, we don't have to keep appearances and behavior isn't assumed/expected.

If your shekels are so precious that you can't add 15% to your total bill, save that GRAND sum and fly your ass back to whatever degenerate place you were spawned upon.

>>734842396
What the fuck am I reading?

>>734839933
>If you don't like this system, change it. Not tipping will not change it. Not tipping is an ineffective, weak minded attempt to rebel against the prevailing wage in your state. It'll never work.
if everyone stopped tipping today the system would change tomorrow

>>734844098
A retard's attempt at intelligence.

Ignore it anon, the imbecile can't even manage to communicate properly. Literally the staple of humanity is communication and that faggot failed at it.

>>734837911
TARANTINO did it
RESERVOIR DOGS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4sbYy0WdGQ

Because only a tip salary earner have earned the right to received any tip. Since tip salary is lower than minimum wage. If you are already earning minimum wage, you have no right to a tip.

Because you paid for the food, In a togo box. You tip if it is served to you, on a table.

You should never tip anyone who is not earning a tip wage, Coat girl earns a minimum salary, doorman earns a minimum salary, cashier earns a minimum salary, barista earns a minimum salary, etc.

Only tip your wait staff since only waiters or waitress are eligible for tip wage.

>>734844154
Name an instance where a collective just "stopped" doing something.

I'd love to know, really. I need insight as to how to get a group of retarded faggots (yourself included) to just kill themselves.

>>734844341
Busboys, meat-runners, food-runners, hosts, bar associates, etc, all MAY fall under tip-wage earner.

It depends on the restaurant and restaurants CAN employ ALL staff as tip-wage earners and then proceed to create titles.

So you're only half right.

I almost never tip when I eat out, but it's not due to any kind of malice or anything. I recognize that servers are paid shit, and I feel bad, but the simple fact is that because the establishment doesn't pay a full wage, then one of us is going to be punished, essentially. Either the server is going to get punished by not getting money, or I'm going to be punished by giving up extra money. We both have jobs and work hard for money. Because I'm not responsible for the situation being like it is and I have a choice, then I'm logically going to choose not to be punished. Sucks for the server, but that's how it is.

And on top of that, serving itself is not a hard job, and that whole excuse of 'it's such a hard job, they deserve it!' mentality drives me nuts. I've worked several customer service jobs that entail everything a server does, with the added need for specialized knowledge that required some form of education. No one has ever considered tipping me in those fields, and there are even other people who work much harder than I ever have who no one even thinks of tipping.

>>734837911
You must be black or Chinese

>>734844604

Waiters have it tough because of shit-eating faggots like you.

"Hurrr yer jeb ain't that hard! lul I ain't got money"

You're poor, a nigger, a Jew, and entitled.

You've worked many jobs right? Try being a server. Just try making a living on such easy job.

Oh, wait: you won't. Let me guess! You won't go that low.

...but you'll go as low as justifying why a server shouldn't get a tip. I hope you die of cancer alone.

>>734839707
>They get literally minimum wage salary and basically live off tips.

Wrong. In most states in the US, they get paid far less than minimum wage and get taxed as if they get tipped 10%. It's fucked up but that's the way it is.

>>734843065
Yes because people like Gordon Ramsey made terrible choices. Being a chef takes actual training so they deserve more money. And the reason it's worth doing it is the potential to make more money.
A chimp could be a waitress.

My only tip is to get a proper fucking job that pays you enough to live on

>>734843996
Lol thanks for showing the true face of America.
Thinking that being nice is degeneracy shows how fucked up your country is.

>>734844604
>Either the server is going to get punished by not getting money, or I'm going to be punished by giving up extra money

It's not punishment for you. You pay for your service as a tip. The eating establishment is only paying servers $2-$4 an hour with the expectation that tips will bring the wages up to minimum wage.

>>734844582

We all agree, the Matradee, the Manager and especially the owner don't deserve or should collect/pocket any tip.

Yep, I too was a busboy and a waiter back in the days.

>>734844855
What hard about it?
The obvious thing of dealing with assholes is shared by anyone in a customer serving jobs.

If you honestly thinking taking an order and putting plates on a table is hard you're retarded.

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So many of you are either ignorant or stupid. Every single person who I've ever known that has served, including myself, has been paid roughly 50% greater than minimum wage which is very suitable.

My sister gets over $100 in tips per night. Per fucking night. She makes more than $500 per week in tips just for existing in her job. She makes more than $2000 a month just for existing in her job. She's too retarded to do her job right let alone provide exceptional service. She gets the tips because sheeple think that tipping is the right thing to do or that she makes barely minimum wage and can't survive.

When I bartended I made between $100 and $400 a night. What kind of autist tips me because I poured a beer?

>>734844855
Hes entitled because he wont give you the money? Interesting

>>734845048
That's the server and establishments problem.

>>734845198
>If you honestly thinking taking an order and putting plates on a table is hard you're retarded.

You speak of something of which you know nothing of.

Also, the managers are usually worse assholes than the customers.

>>734845314
So explain. I clearly asked for an explanation.
Though I guess from your comments you're a waiter/waitress and typing anything meaningful is beyond your intelligence level.

>>734845245

No, that's just the way labor laws are written wrt servers, bartenders, etc... Outside the US, things are actually sane.

>>734845205
why do you complain?
reasonable tipping doesn't hurt the customer
but it makes students pay their bills
MONEY IS GREAT!

>>734845314
I've served and I can call your bullshit. The job is a joke. All customer service jobs have the same customers and the same managers. Get over it

>>734837911
I tip because im not a fithly stingy jew. Waiters depend on them cuz shit wages.

>>734845198

>>If you honestly thinking taking an order and putting plates on a table is hard you're retarded.

You are put in charge of 10 tables, two ten seaters. 8 4 seaters. Lunch crowd just all came in at once. 'you have to make sure all 52 people and 62 orders are taken correctly, in a timely manner, in a positive attitude. While 40 people screaming where is my water.

>>734843996
>In the US, [...] behavior isn't assumed/expected.
>expects people to tip
What did he mean by this?

>>734845446
Still not the customers problem. No law says they have to tip.
Best way to fix it-
Customers don't tip.
Staff quit.
Restaurant increases it's pay but raises prices.
Customers stop going to restaurants that don't deserve the increased prices forcing them out of business sending more people to eat at the better/more competitive business.
End result-better food for customers, better wages for staff and better profits for owners.

>>734839185
I'm Europe it's just added in the bill.
In America we get to choose what to give based on the service.

I tip because it's a good motivator.

If they automatically add it to bill then no, and I usually chew out a manager if they pull that shit.

If they don't and the service is satisfactory then yes, yes I do.

>>734845413

You get shit from your managers, you get shit from your customers, you are payed below minimum wage, then you have a bus come in with 18 seats a half hour before close.

Never did the job myself, but I know a lot of servers and bartenders who go through this kind of thing on a daily basis. Some make it, most don't.

It's not the work that is hard, it's the stress and pressure.

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>>734837911
Here over in the states is a common forum to tip or provide a "gratuity".

I only really tip if I'm at a high dollar restaurant or when I'm out with friends. I don't really eat out too much where it becomes an issue.

When I visited Europe I was told not to tip because they didnt like it.

It's pretty garbage now because every waiter and waitress expects someone to drop a $20 on a $10 meal at a fucking dennys and gets mad when you don't.

>>734839185
Because American capitalism is great! (For the 1%)

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>>734845476
>same customers
No because no. McDick customers are mostly rock-bottom idiots or drunks.
I serve in an establishment that welcomes top-notch bourgeois folks that make it rain.
>same managers
hell no. managers are above-average in the dominance hierarchy. the higher the more likely to be psychotic. ask any psychologist.

>>734839217
you make me sick.

>>734844910
And now you're comparing yourself to fucking Gordon Ramsey?

Oh, I get that chef work is hard and takes training and talent and you should make more than the wait staff. But this isn't going to happen to a line cook at a chain restaurant.

Plus, chefs like Ramsey respect the wait staff and support their efforts instead of have the unnecessary jealousy you clearly have. You have a lot more to learn than knife skills.

Never tipped in my life, i live in Finland and tips arent a thing here.

>>734837911
I don't.

>>734844869
Their fault. If they're cucked enough to accept shitty salary I won't support them.

>>734839217
enjoy getting your dick sucked by a hoe that duz it for a 5$ bill
if you tip more than it's just plain prostitution hardly hidden

>>734840626

Oh man, $7 per entree?

Where do you eat, poor fag? Fucking Wendy's?

While you're at it, post another wage thread.

>>734839707
>Cops
>shit salary.
Kek.

Cops in a lot of places don't make great money, but fuck their pensions are great.

Cops in my area start making $80k/yr, and easily work their way up to $200k/yr. Retire a 50, and keep 90% of their pay as pension. All in a town with .5 murders a year (yes, you read that right).

Even cops in New York make too much money through their ridiculous pension.

>>734844855
I like your ability to ignore the logical thought process part of the post and immediately jump to screaming about my opinion part like an ape. Keep it up.

>>734845048
I call it a 'punishment' because nowhere else I go for service requires a tip out of me, only food establishments. Plenty of places give good customer service without an additional fee. Though it is admittedly not a huge sum, it's still money I worked just as hard to make that I have to give up for something nowhere else charges for. I really do feel bad that that's the state of affairs in restaurants, but I'm not related to the cause of it at all, so i exercise my right to choose not to.

>>734845836
I'm not a chef. I was just pointing out being a chef is harder than waitstaff and if you're good a lot more lucrative.

And obviously he has good staff. Still must of had a lot of talent to get where he is.

>>734837911
I dont tip either OP.

Its funny how all those Americunts in this thread try to justify tipping by their poor social and healthcare system. AFter they fail to realize they cant do anything about it they threaten you with shit,cum and other stuff in your food.
Its truly pathetic. Thank god I dont live in that shithole.

>>734845940
>If they're cucked enough to accept shitty salary
>implying capitalism isn't a system of always both cucking and getting cucked unless you are a monopolist
what's your career then, anon?

Because your going some where it is exspected. Fucking just get your food to go. I'm a bartender paying my way through college so I guess I'm a little biased. But I mean I wish they would just pay me a living wage 2.15 a hour here in texas for waiter and bartender.

>>734845476
>All customer service jobs have the same customers and the same managers.

Obviously untrue. Being a server at Applebee's and a bartender at a stripclub are two completely different things. I know this because my wife did both. And we hit a pub at least once a week so I'm very familiar with the scene.

>>734845570
>You are put in charge of 10 tables, two ten seaters. 8 4 seaters. Lunch crowd just all came in at once. 'you have to make sure all 52 people and 62 orders are taken correctly, in a timely manner, in a positive attitude. While 40 people screaming where is my water.

This. I've seen this happen more than a few times.

>>734845675
>Still not the customers problem. No law says they have to tip.

No, but there are laws that saw the restaurant doesn't have to pay them minimum wage. If they get rid of these laws, the situation will work it self out. Your way won't work because people are selfish.

>>734844869
No one in the US legally makes less than minimum wage at the end of the pay period.

A waiter is allowed to make no less than like $2.36 (depends on the state), and then are required to report their tips. If their hourly tips bring their wage up to minimum wage, then great. If it's a super slow day and there are no tips, then the employer is required to pay minimum wage.

The problem is that most waiters at any place with customers won't report their tips so that they don't have to pay taxes/ "deal with the paperwork."

I have a loser "buddy" who never went to college and makes $40k a year as a waiter. He's been working their for 1 year, and probably making just over minimum wage. At 40 hours a week, he must be making $20k a year in tips.

Of course he bitches that he's not making that much money, but he can make 6 figures when he invests as much time as a doctor or lawyer.

>>734846287
Yea that truly sounds like the dream.

Not really.

>>734846165
Where do you live, anon?

>>734839933
What if I'm poor too but don't work in a job where ppl tip. Should I still tip just to be part of the norm?

>>734846287
None of that is accurate

>>734845048
Yes, the employer only pays $2-4, but if tips DON'T compensate the remainder to fulfill minimum wage, the employer is REQUIRED to pay it.

Regardless of how much their hourly rate is, they will be making AT LEAST minimum wage at the end of the pay period. But how many waiters really want to report their tips? Because most times (at any relatively busy establishment) waiters earn more than minimum wage through tips.

No restaurant would be able to stay in business without the tip system.

>>734846418
It's a shit job. Why should they earn as much as a skilled worker. It's literally the definition of a minimum wage job.

>>734846287
>The problem is that most waiters at any place with customers won't report their tips so that they don't have to pay taxes/ "deal with the paperwork."

Yeah this is bullshit unless you work at some broke ass place. Since credit cards are nearly ubiquitous, restaurants either report your tips or assume 18% tips on average and report that.

>>734845724
>You get shit from your managers, you get shit from your customers, you are payed below minimum wage
sounds like a shit deal.
Get a better job or stop whining, that is my suggestion.

>>734845314
Sorry dude, but you work hard at whatever job you are at.

A logger works harder than a waiter, and so does a doctor. Just in different capacities.

I refuse to tip more than 10% unless the service is absolutely stellar.

>>734846012
>nowhere else I go for service requires a tip out of me, only food establishments.

Have you never heard of 'commissions'? A tip by another name, you just do see it as a line item on your bill.

>>734846445
Germany.
And Yes tipping exists here too, but its not mandatory like in the US.

>>734840638
By taking advantage of a system where restaurants can serve cheaper fare by paying employees below minimum wage because of the assumed tip, you're just stealing from the person whose job assumes tips in the wage.

Niggers don't tip because they're greedy pieces of shit. You're a nigger.

>>734840833
You do if you want to talk to us dickhead

>>734841709
>I only eat out once a week and don't tip
You're a nigger.

>>734839511
This. 20% in resturants and $5-10 if all I have is coffee but sit for an hour or two. Also, the one time I received absolutely hostile service from a bigot, I left a nickel so that she would know that I didn't forget.

>>734845724
>I don't see ANY waiters turning grey from stress and pressure.

>>734846515
>the employer is REQUIRED to pay it.

I've never ever seen this happen. It may be the way things are supposed to happened, but I've never seen it done, especially if some of the tips are cash and some on credit card.

>>734845570
Frankly, you can make any job sound just as stressful as that when you write it all out. I've don't agree that it can't be a stressful job, but there are very few jobs that aren't just as hard or stressful as serving. It's not a uniquely difficult enough job to demand tipping extra simply on that merit

Fun fact: most restaurants require servers to tip out a percentage of the bill to the back of house. If you dont tip then the server effectively has to pay money to serve you.

>>734846649
I tip, but a commission is a very divergent thing from a tip. It is usually an actual, contractual percentage payout from a listed sale value. The purchaser is completely unaware of your commission percentage - you can give all the shit service you want, but make the sale and you get a commission.

>>734846418
It's a job for TEENS.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE FUCKING WAITING TABLES AT 30.

>>734846264

>This. I've seen this happen more than a few times.

Its not a difficult job, but you must agree not just anyone can pull this off without a sweat or screaming and in a smile all without any errors.

So I do agree and also honestly think taking an order and putting the plate on a table is not an easy job. Since there are many out there whom can't even do this task. They'll just crack under pressure.

>>734845031
I bet the rate of immigrants that want to come to the US is 7 times greater than your shit country, in the very least.

Enjoy Mohammed, your wife's new son.

>>734846954
Unless it's a high end restaurant. Teens can't fucking work with any degree of professionalism

>>734839976
This guy gets it.

>>734846580
>sounds like a shit deal.

Agreed. That's why a lot of servers go into stripping where I live.


>>734846648
>Sorry dude, but you work hard at whatever job you are at.

Hard work and an abusive environment are two completely different things.

>>734846513
>None of that is accurate

It's literally what the law says.

>>734840638
>justifying autism this hard.

>>734846722

So much agreed. A broken system that selfish idiots will take advantage of.

>>734847044
Agreed, but no one is going out to a Michelin star restaurant twice a week.

Dennys? Maybe. The local fish fry place? Yes.

Those people should be TEENS.

>>734842209
I'm sure you did and I bet they loved every bite

>>734841629
Its a felony to do this man. I'm currently a bartender and I wait table too. If you think I'm waste my time or risk my employment. On just one none tipper you got me fucked up simple fact is that I have 5 tables and 4 people at my bar. If 2 out if those 9 don't tip I say fuck it. I don't have time to fuck with your food I have to get my work done. But I normally get 5 a table up to 8 and if it is 10 then they are going to be logged into my memory. It really is the good tippers I try to ember and give get service

>>734847284
I generally eat at some place in between those in class. like $30 for chicken meal $50 for a steak type place. I would never eat at a denny's, I'm not black or in high school.

>>734846287
>>734847155
You're right, it is the law, but that doesn't stop some businesses from breaking it anyway. I worked at an oil change place for a couple years that had all their employees working minimum 54 hours a week, I myself was working 70 hours a week. No one got paid any overtime, despite the law stating anything over 40 a week was required to be paid overtime.

Personally I think it was cheaper for them to pay fines for that than pay everybody OT

>>734842082
Lol my cooks make 10 a hr sounds like your working at a shitty place

> Living in a country where tipping is considered rude
> Never tip

>>734847525
Yes, because the regulations are out of fucking control.

If waiters were really earning $2.19 per hour, then we'd know about it. The elephant in the room is that everyone knows that waiters earn way more than they deserve.

ANYONE can be a waiter. You don't even have to speak fucking English (go to a Vietnamese restaurant). If you can hold a dish (even in a wheelchair), and remember orders, you're in.

>>734846865
>It's not a uniquely difficult enough job to demand tipping extra simply on that merit

That I do agree with you. Even though I had been a busboy and a waiter back in the early 90's (earning more than what they are earning now) and do agree the entire tipping culture is wrong. The burden of compensation should be the employer and not the customer directly. Tipping prevent the employer from rewarding employee for good work. Restaurant should all adjust their pricing to reflect adjustment for the service provided. Since I really hate those automatic 18% party of 5 and above charges.

>>734837911
Depends highly on the establishment.

I have a regressive tipping scheme that the lower the cost of the food, the higher percentage i tip.

In immigrant owned places that generally have lower cost meals I may tip between 50% and 100%. I am always treated with respect and feel more like an old friend than a customer. We can talk about the world, how we are both doing, and have a real conversation. These people work hard and over all get treated as third class citizens, you cannot earn a living where i reside on just pay from wait-staffing without tips.

As the cost goes up, or they are a reservation only establishment my tip percentage goes down. Most of these places can afford to pay their staff more than the legal minimum, and a lot of people equate the fancy trappings to require more tip instead of the quality of food and service so the individuals waiting on me in general bring in a pretty generous tip portion per night.

>>734839976

You stole this out of my playbook. You can snag strippers the same way.

One trick is to get a seat at the bar by the cash register or by where servers pick up their drinks. Lots of face time, chances to chat, etc...

ITT: normal reasonable people and some niggers who think they're above tipping.

Try working in food service and see if you feel the same way.

>>734846840

I've seen them run out the door in tears.
I also knew of one manager who didn't like a particular server and basically put a bounty out to get her fired.
The server found out, sued their ass, and won.

yes, I tip, because I know that not tipping isn't some grand stand against tipping culture, it's just fucking over the server.

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> Be me
> Go to a local breakfast joint once a week
> Usually spend $20 on coffee, toast, eggs, and ham

> Decide to also get a half order of sausage as well.
> Order takes 25 minutes to come out
> Hungry and ornery now

> Bite into sausage
> ICE fucking COLD
> Grudgingly eat the rest of my meal

> Waitress comes out for only the 3rd time to deliver the check.
> "Excuse me, it's not a huge issue, but the sausage was ice cold." Wasn't looking for free food or anything, just an apology and assurance that it wouldn't happen again.

> She (high school cunt, tons of focal fry.) responds, "Actually, that's not possible. They literally jjust came oout of the oven (sasuage in an oven?). Soo that's why it took so long"

> I just fucking lose it.
> "Are you telling me the I ate my meal in the wrong order? Are you saying I ate too slowly?" and other shit, while she stood their looking like I was wasting her time.

> No tip
> I've blacklisted the restaurant for an entire year. There are 8 months left.

Put some sort of mathematical equation on the receipt for them to solve to get the tip. It doesn't even have to be very complicated. Make them try to better themselves before earning the extra cash.

>>734848219
>I've seen them run out the door in tears.

I assume a lot of waiters are emotionally underdeveloped, women, or fags.

If you can't handle taking some orders, then you need to be in an institution eating jello all day.

>>734846579
What if the restaurant reports bigger tips than what the waiter received? Is there a way to fix it without getting fired?

>>734847700
>If waiters were really earning $2.19 per hour, then we'd know about it.

We do know about it. Anything above that is in tips. And if assholes don't tip, the system breaks down.

>ANYONE can be a waiter

You obviously don't know any neckbeards, hiikomori, or girls with a 34+ BMI.

>>734848185
I worked in restaurant working up from dish washer to waitress, to eventually a cook of sorts.

Either way you still pull 8h+ days, stay well after midnight to get the place ready for opening the next day. You are always moving, and never sit down.

Its hard work and a lot of people make light of it for some reason.

I never resented my blue collar jobs for the work, or even the limited pay.

Whats bothersome to me now is as a white collar employee i sit in a cube for 8 hours a day, do almost nothing intrinsically instantly meaningful, and no longer get to see the sun + i have to sit in a car stuck in traffic 3 hours a day to get to/from work. The pays many multiples higher, but man its a grind.

>>734846722
That system is terribly broken and only benefits the owner

>>734848470
>If you can't handle taking some orders, then you need to be in an institution eating jello all day.

The major problem I have seen is abusive management possibly on top of abusive customers.

>>734848526
I assume most waiters are too stupid to keep a paper trail. That, and the fact that waiters earn more than minimum wage via tips, are why businesses get away with breaking some rules when it comes to payroll.

Everyone in the game is cheating the system because the regulations are too fucking rigid.

>>734848526
>What if the restaurant reports bigger tips than what the waiter received? I

I've seen it happen and there is nothing you can reasonably do to fix it.

>>734846722
>>734848660
If i knew of a place that worked like this i would not go eat there and possibly report it.
Im not american so idk.

>>734848540
1. I don't hang out with losers, so no.

2. I was using "anyone" in the ethereal sense. Obviously not just anyone can waltz into a restaurant and get handed a notepad. It was up to you understand this. Clearly you are cut out to be a waiter.

>>734848635
shit sucks man. I'm lucky enough to have gotten out of that whole "needing a job" bullshit. It's nice when you marry a woman who wants to be the breadwinner. It allows me to focus on art and furthering my intrinsic value rather than being a slug who does meaningless tasks for money to eat. fuck work. White collar or blue.

But I do sometimes miss working in landscaping... that shit was freeing. I'd just sit on a mower listening to music and I get to enjoy the weather, and I'd get enough walking/lifting in that I didn't need to work out in my spare time. That was my favorite job.

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>>734837911
I never tip, I pay for the goods on the bill of sale at the price advertised, that's all.
If the business owner wishes to pay his staff more then he should increase his prices and pay them the difference.
It is the employer's responsibility to pay the employee, not the customer.

They work for him, not me.

>>734847700

>If waiters were really earning $2.19 per hour, then we'd know about it. The elephant in the room is that everyone knows that waiters earn way more than they deserve.

Because the laws require the employer to ensure their tip wage earning staffs must earn enough tip to reach minimum wage. Calculated quarterly and documented daily. Like that will ever happen.

>ANYONE can be a waiter. You don't even have to speak fucking English (go to a Vietnamese restaurant). If you can hold a dish (even in a wheelchair), and remember orders, you're in.

I wishes this is true. But not just ANYONE can be a wait staff. You can't. You can't stand there and take order from 50 people, all while doing it with a smile, without an error and never crack under pressure. No, there are people out there can never even do the simple task as a busboy let alone a wait staff, a server.

Don't assume just because it seem simple to you, it must be simple to everyone else.

>>734848301

Heh. There was a local pub that my wife would frequent, get food and drinks at the bar. There was one bartender that so consistently gave us shitty service that we would walk in, see if she was working, then turn and leave if she was.

>>734848740
Tough shit. Owning a profitable restaurant is one of the hardest things in the world. It's a hard and fast paced environment, but it isn't skilled.

If you can't handle "abuse," then you need to leave the industry forever.

I have been accused of "abuse" (mainly by blacks and women, or any diversity hire) in my career, but that's just the things ways need to be run.

Just like with the military, if you can't hack it, it's a problem with YOU, not the leadership.

>>734848928
i worked from 14 onward to help pay for college, which I managed to get out of without taking a single loan.

In fact, to date i have never borrowed any money, taken out any leases or loans. I might not have the best of everything, but i work hard and try to be beholden to nobody.

I wish there were a better way that made money insignificant, a post scarcity society. Sadly we don't live in startrek and i still need money to pay bills and utilities.

And pretty much every one i know is gay...so none of them are going to be lining up to date/marry me.

>>734846668
Du hast eine Milch?

>>734848914
>Clearly you are cut out to be a waiter.

Nope. Just a disable vet who can only fuck around on 4chan.

>>734849123
LOL! so no accountability among higher ups. Don't go military buddy. That shit is more broken than the service industry. "let's brainwash children and make them think it's their problem that we're asking them to kill themselves and replace their minds with robots." fuck off man.

>>734849076
Refer to my other comments:
>Calculated quarterly and documented daily. Like that will ever happen.
- assume most waiters are too stupid to keep a paper trail.

>But not just ANYONE can be a wait staff.
-I was using "anyone" in the ethereal sense. Obviously not just anyone can waltz into a restaurant and get handed a notepad. It was up to you understand this. Clearly you are cut out to be a waiter.

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>>734843607
*WOW!*

Did you think your faggoty stars would do something Anon?
How long have you been here I wonder?
I smell newfag a fucking mile away, you sir are a newfag.
Now deny it strenuously to prove me right.

>>734849199
i should also add that i feel shitty just mooching off people. So even marrying into a billionaires money, id still need to work for something.

Ireland doesnt have shit bosses so no

>>734849199
i hear you. I've done a lot of work for myself, though I can't say I never took out loans or anything. I've got horrible credit. its funny that only now after losing responsibility with money I have become much more responsible. I don't buy in excess anymore that's for sure.

But it sounds to me like you need to just have a "Office space" Type moment. Don't go burning down a building or screwing the company out of money, but just stop giving a shit and go to hawaii or even the nearest beach with what money you have right now and let your mind reset. who knows. a trip like that might help you find someone.

>>734849123
What if you are the one unable to do a decent job without abusing your employees

I always found terribly hypocritical that when the boss does his job badly is the last person that is going to pay for it. Sooner than that, any employee would be eating from a dumpster

>>734849123

Offering a bounty to get an employee fired is a very serious abuse.
There is also a very broad spectrum of sexual misconduct that is abuse.

I have seen both happen. In neither case was it the server's problem. It was the management at fault.

I do admit, though, that there is a lot of abuse allegations that are bullshit.

>>734849393
i feel the same way too about mooching. That's why it took so long for my wife to convince me it was okay for me not to earn money. though, that didn't stop me from getting something to do mostly to occupy my time. but working at a liquor store is easy. and i get to say "no" to customers. shit's great! but yeah. i get that mooching feeling. i still feel it even though i make money.

>>734849570
right now i'm in negotiation for moving cubes to another building that has windows.

I'm like 1/3 of the way through life and i have no idea what i want to do or what i want to be when i "grow up". One day I will come to a "fuck it" moment and just walk out and take a vacation.

Ive applied for companies in other countries that do more exciting things as an idea to see the world as well.

I only tip taxi drivers because I don't want change, wallet becomes too heavy.
And I also tip my tattoo artist.

>>734849637
There is a difference between being a bad boss and being "abusive". When you work in the government and everyone is incompetent and tenured, the hardworkers quit. As the saying goes, "fuck up, move up." I quickly learned that trying to fix people's work ethic and improper adherence to procedure was a recipe for complaints.

>>734849841
How often do you get a tatoo? lol

>>734849839
that's another good idea. Less catastrophic as well. Just be careful you don't take too long to "grow up" and miss the last stop. seen it happen a few times and it's never pretty

>>734849972
I got 16 right now. Most of my torso and arms, few on legs.

>>734849704
Yes, but offering a bounty get someone fired someone is an extreme example.

In the real world, especially in the professional and college educated world, people can't take being yelled at. Any time someone comes in and shakes up the status quo, the complaints come out to protect their own phony-baloney jobs.

>>734849945
>As the saying goes, "fuck up, move up."

It's codified as "The Peter Principle".

>>734850029
Arent you afraid you´ll regret is someday?
Whats your body type like? muscular?

>>734849123
>Tough shit. Owning a profitable restaurant is one of the hardest things in the world. It's a hard and fast paced environment,

You are absolutely correct.

>but it isn't skilled.

Business management, marketing, budgeting and balancing, PR, logistic and inventory management, maintenance, etc. And I haven't even mentioned the staff of the customer.

To run a profitable restaurant well takes some skills, sometime.

>If you can't handle "abuse," then you need to leave the industry forever.

>I have been accused of "abuse" (mainly by blacks and women, or any diversity hire) in my career, but that's just the things ways need to be run.

>Just like with the military, if you can't hack it, it's a problem with YOU, not the leadership.

Yes. A restaurant is about exactly that. It is about working as a team to achieve the common goal. And not a place of "fun". Getting shit done in a timely manner shouldn't be that difficult. Regardless of your complexion.

>>734850125
Built fat I guess, I do lift weights. And I love them and the attention i get. No problems with employment either in my field. Not disclosing it tho.

Amen. Yes it can take skills, but for anyone other than the owner, or general manager, there is no work that gets brought home with you.

You work your shift and get to go home and drink/bitch about your shitty job.

Doctors, lawyers, and business owners go home with work on their mind or in their hands, and goes to sleep worried about being sued. Waiters do not deserve to be paid anywhere near what these people make.

>>734843719
This kinda shit will get someone killed.

>>734850064
>people can't take being yelled at

Understood. They need to grow up and grow a pair.

>>734850297
Directed @ >>734850145

>>734837911
no, im an ausfag - waitresses and waiters get paid more than they deserve already

>>734850321
Thank you. I don't know why so many people are arguing with me about this.

Seriously, introducing women into the work force has made everyone pussies.

If I yell, it's not personal. It's because you WON'T DO YOUR FUCKING JOB.

>>734843719
Cite or it didn't happen.

>>734837911
If you don't want to tip, don't eat in restaurants. Bam. /thread

>>734850401
>If I yell, it's not personal. It's because you WON'T DO YOUR FUCKING JOB.

I was in the military at a very young age so this does make sense. As I moved on into more white collar jobs, I found more creative ways of getting my point across. That being said, if I ran across somebody's mistake, I'd say 'WTF' in voice loud enough for the entire team to hear which would put the fear of the lord into everyone thinking they might be the guilty party.

>>734839185
It's so companies can get away with paying their employees jack shit while making even more money off their overpriced food.

I live in New Zealand, tipping isn't super common here due to minimum wage being pretty good, and it's just not part of our culture.

I've only ever tipped 1 place, and i go there when ever i visit my home town.

It's a small thai shop, all the employees are dressed nice (always uniform, clean, not revealing) they're always nice and super helpful.

and the food is amazing, when i first went there i was expecting a $100+ bill for myself alone, it was honestly the best food ive had but it was something like $22 for main, drink and dessert. plus portions where large. I tip $60 each time i go, $30 for waiter, $30 for chef

>>734850440

Right. You get herpes from skin-to-skin contact, not from semen.

>>734847446
Denny's makes a decent breakfast for after a night of drinking hard. It's bacon eggs and toast man, ain't paying $30 for that at some pretentious douchebag 5 star place.

>>734839185
>What if I am a postman? I want my tips too

Actually, it used to be not uncommon that the postman, milkman, doorman would get an envelope at Christmas for their service.

>>734850613
>If you don't want to tip, don't eat in restaurants.

You an idiot for real, or what?
I don't go to a restaurant because I want to tip.
I go to a restaurant because I want to eat.

Also, you can't /thread your own post, so you are double retarded.

>>734837911
If you really can't stand tipping, don't eat out. It's cheaper and healthier to cook your own shit.

>>734849371
>-I was using "anyone" in the ethereal sense. Obviously not just anyone can waltz into a restaurant and get handed a notepad. It was up to you understand this.

I did my share in my much younger years.

I don't have to do that shit now.

>Clearly you are cut out to be a waiter.

You are right, at least up until when I was 18, and once I earned enough to pay for my tuition. I was out. Never had to ask for a handout or needing to lean back on a student loan and never expecting my family or anyone else to pay for it.

>>734850813
I now do the same job my father did. He was a Marine in Vietnam before college, so that's where he got his attitude from. He passed it to me at a young age any time I fucked up.

I was threatened with disinheritance if I joined before college, and by the time I graduated I would have been 30 by the time I got out of the service.

So I went straight to work. I always remembered him coming home with his performance review, cracking 6 beers, and laughing about it over it during dinner (as my mother sat worried whether he'd lose his job; he never did).

> Difficult to work with
> Aggressive
> Upholds a hostile work environment
> Excessive use of the term "chucklefuck"
> Refuses to speak to interns
> Calls Asian Information Management Officers "Kwan Lee"
> AID Mission Director "needs to get a real fucking job"

Every fucking year it was a new list.

I suppose that's why I got to his position much quicker than he did. But once I got there, holy fuck did I turn into my dad. I get the same reviews now and laugh about them because I know I'm not the one fucking up.

>>734851422
Good for you (seriously)