Go Vegan Give it a go for 30 days

>>734735216
I already did, then I got sick and went to the doctor.
He told me my nutrition absorption was very low and that a vegan diet would be very unhealthy for me.
I'm with you on banning factory farms though, I prefer it if my food was happy before ending up on my plate.

Don't go vegan. Eliminate at least 6 thousand million humans. Problem solved.

>>734735216
i'd rather starve to death. oh wait that is being vegan.

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>>734735555
nice quadsget

>>734735216
I tried once, my body fucking rejected everything I ate, a piece of broccoli would make me sick, so I went back to eating meat and haven't been happier ever since

Tried vegetarianism for a week,
Lost 4kg and started shitting paste.
I'll stick to my omnivorous diet thanks.

>just long enough for the nutrient deficiencies to make you half a retard

>>734735559
That is a pretty neat picture, even though it seems to be saying that smoking weed will make you into some sort of sage.
I smoke weed on the regular, but I wouldn't say it makes me wise, it just makes me relax and feel good.
The things that make me wiser on some subjects is reading about them.

>people being too stupid to feed themselves without meat

how are you all this retarded, dont change your diet at all except ask for no cheese on things and eat tofu instead of meat. ive been doing it for months and its easy as shit. enjoy having acne and poor health forever

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"Go vegan my little kumquat, go vegan!"

Humans are omnivores.

>>734735555
Quads confirm that being a vegan = shorter lifespan

>>734735216
After 32 days of vegan I actually started getting violent towards everyone I knew. I felt weak and angry, later on I figured out that my body was in panic mode from lack of protein. Tofu and beans were a joke compared to meat and my body as sending me a message. I ate a hamburger and immediately like my old self, and very happy.

Vegans are dangerous and honestly should be monitored for dangerous activities because they do not think clearly like normal people. Vegans should definitely never have children or be allowed near them.

I wish, but I'm too poor to be vegan. Man, veggies and fruits are fucking expensive. I can't live off that.

>>734735216
Did it for 8 years, lost hair, felt like an asshole. Added meat back in, hair regrew, gained friends. Would not recommend.

>>734735216
No.

>>734735870
That only happens if you don't get any physical activity at all, you should try some delicious nutritious meat and exercising for a change, but hey, enjoy being a pallid weak skinny weaboo bitch forever

>>734735216
Why

Compassion is dead

hippies nonviolence is a lie

Animals are dicks

The planet is already fucked

I dont eat people,

>>734736260
>I dont eat people,
well maybe you should start

>>734736260
I agree with averything except for the animal thing. They can't be dicks, they just try to stay alive. Only humans are dicks. Shithead.

>>734735216

Never.

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>>734735216
Vegetarian would be an option, but missing milk products? Fuck no.

>>734736466
Um anon, humans are animals too, if they can be dicks, so can other animals.

>>734735216
Im happy with you being vegan. Just don't tell me to be vegan

>>734736576
Humans are rational and not instinctive.

Gas arrived so gonna take a shower.

>>734736576
Our capacity to be dicks is what separates us from the animals.

>>734736707
This man knows his shit.

>>734736656
Have you that old video of the guy getting jumpscared and punching strait through his monitor?
That's instinct

>>734736796
You're also retarded if you think that was real.

>>734736796
>Straight
I figured I might as well fix my own typo

>>734736796
You can't be seriously comparing me the animal instinct with the remains of the human one. No one is that fucking retarded.

>>734736838
Well, hey, its instinct to attack something that scares you like that

>>734736656
>>734736707
We're smarter in many ways granted, that is how we evolved and succeeded throughout time.
Saying we have moved beyond instincts would be wrong though, so much of our behavior stems from instincts.
Peacocking and competing about stuff is instinctual.

>>734735216

id rather not be clinicly depressed thanks.

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>>734736942
What he said

>>734735216
does it count if I eat only humans

>>734737055
That's meat. Human meat, but meat

>>734736942
Our intelligence makes us responsible for our acts. If I decide to be a dick with you, that'd be my decision and that exactly is what would make me a dick. When an animal is 'a dick' with you is because you forced it to and that was its natural reaction. Animals can't be evil. Only humans can.

>>734737097
Otters rape other animals. Of course animals can be evil

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>>734735216
Listen you vegan cunts.

If every single American, roughly 340million, went green-vegan-holistic-recycle whatever you still have 1billion plus Chinese who do not give any fucks, 1billion plus middle easterners who do t give any fucks and to top it all off world corporations who are in direct cometetion with your mission to save the world...

You are lost. Do things for yourself. Stay the fuck out of my business

>>734737183
Amd most reptiles rape the females. It's their natural behaviour. They do not conciously decide to do it after thinking it.

>>734737097
But "evil" people also have factors that made them this way, whether it is from something being wrong in their brain or in their upbringing is inconsequential.
You're basically telling me to stop being speciesist, while putting animals to a higher standard.

>>734737183
>rape
>evil

Without rape you wouldn't exist. Consent and feelings about sexual desire and sexual aggression are fabrications of the social construct. Your feelings of disgust are meaningless. Your ideologies of equality and good and evil are flawed

>>734735216
I think we should just take the whole lot of you vegans and ship all y'all to Africa. You can run wild like cattle and have all the veggies you want. You just have to teach the locals how to farm like usual. And everyone will be happy, I'll stay here and eat meat, you guys have your fagtopia

>>734736260
You've been here to long.

Sounds healthy but I don't think I can ....

>>734737309
They are not into a higher standard. Not being capable of deciding for yourself is not better than the opposite. I'm just saying that you can't say that animals are dicks because they are not responsible for their acts.

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>>734736039
Imagine if the wetbacks didn't pick them for minimum wage. It a be 5 dollars for an orange instead of 5 for a whole bag.

Grow yourself and remember shit is seasonal.

If slaughter houses were made of glass you still wouldn't be able to see inside.

>>734737384
T. Achmed

>>734735216
I'm all for the diet. However it's hard for me to completely cut out protein so I hope lab grown meat picks up. I am interested in the Whole30 diet though

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>>734737384
Rape is when it is done forcibly. Sex is when you actually want to do it.

>>734735216
where do I get enough protein each day as vegan without growing tits from soya?

>>734737426
What I'm actually saying is that we are all animals and to some extent aren't to be blamed for our instincts. It's how we react to our instincts that matter.
Animals fall under our responsibility when we claim ownership of them. So we basically have to keep them to our standard of behavior for them to be good. If an owned animal misbehaves, it's a dick, the only difference lies in who has to take responsibility for the dick behavior.
A wild animal will just do whatever it wants and not taking that into account makes you a dick I agree, but I still posit that animals can be dicks too.

>>734735481
wasn't Hitler vegan?

>>734735216
Humans are omnivorous you bloody idiot, not plant eaters.

>>734735216
vegans are worse than fedora atheists in every way.

>>734737097
Lies, my dog snaped at my wife's leg and shook her pants a lil for lack of attention.

Dick move, bro.

Now when we get all in her face and rub it the wrong way it's instincts are to defend itself even from us and snap bark and or bite. An animal would not let you torture it no matter how much you care for it. Natural reaction is to defend itself as for humans.

Idk where I'm going with this but you get my point

>>734737754
He was only a vegetarian

>>734735216
For every day you go vegan, Ill go strict carnivore. No veggies for me!

Vegan is stupid, i can understand not killing uselessy (i, for example don't even kill mosquitos or bugs, differently from many vegans) but i accept and sustain killing animals with a pourpose because it is usefull.

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>>734735216
The hardest part about being a vegan is telling your parents you're gay

>>734736656
>Humans
>rational
pick one

why do all vegans look like holocaust survivors?

>>734738000
What do the two have in common?
Nice trips btw

>>734737754
Who cares

>>734737715
I'm not going on with this pointless discussion

>>734738041
The lack in protein, so they don't have much muscle, and that makes them skinny

>>734738008
To certain point, you know what I mean. Of course the majority is stupid.

>>734737754
Vegetarian, and it was because the doctor told him to do so, Hitler had problems with his metabolism

>>734738008
They can be, but it takes rigorous work on their part to be so.
>>734738104
But this is /b/, all we have is pointless discussions.

Post a picture of an obese vegan. If that person started obese and till today is obese, I'll join the club and even post YouTube vidyas. If not fuck off with your half way religious stuffing it down our throats bullshit cuh. On momas I'll strangle you with a corn husk my nig.

>>734738120
funny how they always rant about vegan diet having enough protein in it.

>>734738184
Yes, but I'm not in the mood for one. I'm more of a spectator.

>>734735962
Jesus christ, looks like vaccines and veganism really do cause autism

>>734738120
I think there are vegan bodybuilders somewhere, tho

>>734735216
Kill yourself already. Every fucking research I read has good sides to being vegan and good sides to eating meat. No being vegan won't help the planet like you think it will and eating meat won't destroy it just like it is the other way around. No it won't bring nonviolence as we already know that plants have a biochemical way of communication and can feel pain and fear too. The only thing I'm asking you is to stop pushing your stupid believes on others because everything is bullshit anyways. Why do you even give a fuck and post this stupid shit here. Why are you that retarded and what are you hoping for

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>>734738177
Niggah was a junkie. I'd smoke lots of crack with Hitler and hella blunts probably mix the two fuck it.

No meth tho, shit is all bad. I wonder if Hitler would pour up some lean. Shit a be so cash to smoke blunts laced with crack and sip boe with Adolf.

>>734738327
That's fair, I'm on my way out as well.
Ironically enough, I'm going to a friends apartment to make a most likely vegan meal, in spite of me not wanting to be a full time vegan.
We just want to make sure that all the people we invite can join us in the meal.

Go fuck yourself
Give it a go for 30 days

>>734735216
I just did 7 lines of coke with a random dude I found.

>>734735216
Did you know drinking water is destroying fishes habitat? If you're vegan you shouldn't drink water

>>734738445
lol'd

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>>734737384
Woah dude

>>734737402
Hmmmm

>>734738482
Your life doesn't interest me at all.

>>734737794
I respect atheists and their opinions, but I'm not saying this as a normie. Transgender people should be in mental hospitals. Kekism 4 life

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>>734736011
You're just retarded for not taking B12 vitamins and/or eating enough proteins. It's people like you who needs to be sterilized.

>>734738000
>Everyone ignores the roast with trips

Ok /b/

Been vegan for 3 1/2 years now. Best decision ever. I've also taken up powerlifting since then and been successful with putting on weight/muscle on a vegan diet.

>>734737794
>implying atheism is dumb

>>734735216
>compassion
Fuck off with the sentimental bullshit.

>nonviolence
Nature is violent. Do you even know how to basic foodchain?

>for the animals
Animals are tasty.

>for the planet
Your inflated ego is not the planet.

>for the people
>implying one actually gives a shit abt what you eat

Seriously, you're worse than christfags and mudslimes. Please kill yourself.

>>734735555
Dayum son

>>734735216
vegetarian since 2013. vegan since 2015. also avoiding artifical suggar and salty shit. my teeth became white, i run much faster and longer (21min for 5km) before I was like 26min for 5km.

and most importantly I can sleep better because I know nature likes me and my gf says i smell much better now

>>734739146
Edgelord faggot doesn't know that the standard american diet is the number 1 contributor of climate change.

It literally can't be sustained and you're going to see that in the coming years, so prepare to have your mind blown.

>>734739018
Literally see that comment at least twice a week.

>>734739269
[citation fucking needed]

Prove your bullshit claim.

>>734739206
>Nature likes me
>Runs same distance in 4 minutes less, obviously because of the diet and not because of the training
>Smells better, it is known that meat makes you smell like garbage
You really should think twice before you say stuff.

>>734739138
If you treat it like a religion, as many ateists do nowadays, it is.
Fact is you don't know if there's a god or not, so if you pretend to know the truth about god makes you just as retarded as deists. But that topic isn't the point of this thread. It was just an example of two equally retarded kinds of people.

>>734739363
http://climatenexus.org/learn/food/animal-agriculture%E2%80%99s-impact-climate-change

>>734736656
Haha anon you are funny! "Humans are rational" hahaha

>>734738177
>Hitler had problems with his metabolism
did he fart much, I wonder

3 years vegetarian, 1 year vegan
happier than ever, living with a beautiful vegan girl, at peace with nature and myself

animal products are unhealthy, cruel, pollutant, and an overall bad idea
think vegans are skinny? maybe its because of your obesity rates
think again

watch some "vegan propaganda" .. they may suprise you with some logic and data
Mic The Vegan is a good yt channel to start

>>734739400
But I see atheists better than deists. Although both claim to hold the actual truth, I respect greatly the ones that don't believe in a omnipotent carpenter from the space that controls your life.

>>734739363
watch cowspiracy

>>734739540
Animal products are healthy.

>>734739638
I want you to cite a fucking peer reviewed scientific source, you idiot spic.

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>>734735216
I did once had no money and ate oranges for a moth they grow everywhere where I live ended up gaining weight

>>734739697
#1 cause of premature death among humans = coronary disease mainly due to clogged arteries caused by unsaturated fats from animal products

seriously, and thats just the beginning
watch Forks vs Knives for an overview

>>734739540
>cruel
opinion disregarded

>i need protein!

>>734739771
You'd fucking die eating just oranges for a month.

>>734735216

went veggy a year ago, don't regret it.

Never liked meat anyways, ate it since it was convenient and I was lazy.

>>734739697
No, no they are not. I'm not the guy you're responding to, but 3 days without meat and you'll never think this again. You don't know how much it slows you down because you've been frog in the potted. I had no idea until just for the sake of doing it I tried it

>>734739731
http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/a0701e/a0701e00.HTM
here ya go
one of the milestones on the issue
also, cowspiracy does cite its sources

>>734739363
Anon you are amazingly retarded.

>>734738581
I'm seriously serious bro. Believe it or not just got done smoking a 20 of rock.

It's not the best idea to be a junkie but if you can pay all your bills and fuck around after, live life to the fullest my nig. Don't live no boring ass life, that's why Jesus made wine. Niggah would get drunk and act a fool. Jesus was a pimp his side bitch was a hooker.

>>734739818
Animal products are healthy. Overconsuming them is not.
I didn't think that aclaration was necessary but apparently you're just too retarded. You brain must be missing those nutrients.

>>734739874
Yes, yes they are. The problem is abusing. God you're stupid.

>>734739819
watch Earthlings
i, like you, have been on the internet for many years and seen all sorts of stuff
but this man, goes beyond words
i cannot explain, you must see for yourself

>>734739206
I'll dick your bitch down, she'd never want to fuck a plant lover again.

>>734740013
The freak larps as well

>>734739741
The planet is a strong independent woman, it doesn't need any help from us to survive.

>>734739206
>21min for 5km
Toppest kek time

>>734739839
no nothing happened

>>734740188
Yes, yes you will. Intoxicated. Come up with better bullshit, please.

>>734736174
>enjoy being a pallid weak skinny weaboo bitch forever
better than being a lard-eating balding fatso with terrible skin and rolls bigger than his mom's

protip: there are more vegan women than men

become vegan, go to local meetings, meet beautiful vegan girls

>>734740344

Is it because women need less protein for their diets?

>>734740344
But they won't eat yo meat

>>734739018
Because it's stupid, unoriginal, boring and predictable like a majority of the post itt

>>734740452
ya because women be dumb and weak lol

>>734740782
more like wise and compassionate

>>734740283
the story is actually true so

>>734740858
>compassionate
That's supposed to be a positive attribute?

Sorry, I have balls. So I dont believe in brcoming a plant eater.

>>734740935

>feels
They do have to much of the feels.

>>734740858
Pathetic. They are not wise. You can't say women are wise. Nor men, actually. They're weak.

>>734740890
No it's not. You'd be dead. Your plain stupidity makes me nervous.

>Goes to liberal arts school
>Full of femitards but not a terrible shithole at the start
>Has tofu, tries, likes
>Has other vegan things for lunch over the week
>start to fo feel an itch on my back
>itch turns into rash after 2 weeks
>soon the rash starts to harden
>whatthefuckisthis.jpg
>been eating vegan the entire time
>can't be related but too scared to ask for help
>continue daily routine
>Rash spreads
>Soon I can't bend over for cummies from the priest to get good grades
>start failing classes
>Continue eating vegan
>rash continues to spread
>now writing this the only articulation I have is my arms
>This rash is everywhere else
>This rash is bark
>I am a tree
>Goodbye breatheren

>>734741170
I did about 6-8 oranges a day for a month and about 100g of whatever else i found mostly berries and nuts.Gaind about 4kg

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lead now or follow later

it may take centuries, but veganism will someday become the norm
just like slavery was abolished, and women's rights were gained, so our circle of compassion enlarges ..
do it not just for other animals, but also for the environment, your fellow human beings and especially for yourself

humans are ape-descendants
we evolved to eat fruits, seeds and plants
only adopted meat sometime during the last glaciation due to lack of plants
meat is rich in nutrients but we're not adapted to it
it's also inherently barbaric and an extremely inefficient to produce food

>>734741549
You would get intoxicated, Vit C posioning or get your metabolic pH more acidic, not to speack about the huge lack of proteins, other vitamins, glucids, lipids and other nutrients. Dead.

>>734735216
I cut down to only eating meat twice a week. That's about as far as I'm willing to go.

>>734741592
We can't digest cellulose from plants. We can digest almost everything in meat. Apes also eat meat whenever they find some. Go fuck yourself.

>>734741843
You shouldn't make moral or health decision based on what apes do. Apes don't spend all day wanking to traps and anime, so why do you do that ?

>>734741750
Felt great the hole time after 2 weeks everything comes out liquid no smell(except orange) its been 6 years no problems yet

>>734735870
yeah, complain about a diet when you literally put no physical effort into it. of course you're going to look unhealthy when you're pushing 260, and you won't get off your desk chair.
try eating a carrot and taking a walk outside, you fat lazy piece of shit.

>>734742013
You're not making any sense. I was just rebating what you said about apes.

>>734736687
I can see you through all those liquor store bags, Randy.

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>>734741592
after I finished university and started to life on my own I add a lot of meat to my diet since I cook for myself and can afford it.
I observed several positive changes
>digesting issues are gone, my shits are rock solid
>no headaches
>I am getting leaner yet stronger
>I feel more like a man, I used to be submissive now I am almost alpha
>girls claim that I smell good, I do not use cologne
>beef and salmon steaks taste fucking great

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ethics < taste ?

>>734742471
In the 2016 Olympics, Farris finished 11th in the 94 kg weight class, with a 160 kg snatch and 197 kg clean and jerk.

>>734741843
we can't digest bones either
what's the point with the cellulose thing? nobody is telling you to eat wood man

>>734742796
guess that other 10 guys were from russia.

>>734742594
ethics = taste
grass fed beef ftw

>>734742575
i also responded well to meat when i ate it
point is it's still barbaric, unsustainable and it'll probably cause you health issues down the road

>>734742907
Who said anything about bones, we were talking about meat, you fucking stupid piece of shit.
>Implying cellulose is just in wood and not in BASICALLY EVERY PLANT, VEGETABLE AND FRUIT

>>734736011
Sounds like you didn't have enough protein. You need to be smart to be vegan bro. It's not for everyone.

>>734742907
He said we can digest everything in meat, you just said that about bones because you didn't fucking know what to say.

>>734735216
I've tried that shit. It's horrible. It's physically painful.

If I go about a week without meat it's hard to think and move. Then I go get a hamburger and everything is fine.

Humans are supposed to eat meat. Get over it.

>>734743097
you live on a dream
where was the meat in your fridge produced?
how about that stake you ate last time you went to a restaurant?
or that fast-food burger?
even if grass-fed meat were ethical (which in most vegan's opinions it isn't, as you still get to kill the animal) it's certainly unsustainable (would require more land than currently available worldwide to satisfy demand) and more importantly, it isn't what you're eating on a daily basis

95%+ of all meat in america is factory farmed

>>734735216
Except veganism stands for none of these and kills more animals than it saves.

>>734743371
No you just were too dumb to be vegan

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>>734736466
yeah, so youve never heard of roving dolphin rape pods?

>>734739363

>“Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to today’s most serious environmental problems,” senior UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) official Henning Steinfeld said. “Urgent action is required to remedy the situation.”

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?newsID=20772#.WTQ-tmjyvIU

>>734743501
can animals learn? I guess, as long as they learn to taste good.

>>734743214
>>734743346
rather than continuing this argument, id rather point out this:

someone gives you several reasons in favor of proposition V
you find a flaw in one
therefore, you reject V?

the trees are not letting you see the forest

>>734739741
The rationale of ethics are perfectly valid. You're being childish. You're right about the planet one especially though.

>>734735216
Did it for 2 weeks.I lost muscle mass, was constantly tired and couldn't get it up more than once a day.It's not like you can change your diet anytime you want.A drastic change in your diet might fuck you up.

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>>734743664
Plants are alive too, you know. Why do they matter less than animals?

>>734743743
Almost everything he said was wrong, dude. It's not just a tree.

>>734742471
Even a donkey will write Shakespeare, given enough time. This is just more "better than you" snobbery.

>>734743890

Because they're in the same taxonomical kingdom, animalia.

To phrase your question differently, animals are living organisms in the same kingdom of life as us; why do they matter less than humans?

>>734735382
the Dr told me the same thing... Vegan diet was very unhealthy for me too.. Never had so many injuries in my life either.. felt really weak and dizzy, had no energy what so ever. now I kill most of the meat I consume. fish, deer, rabbit, duck, geese, grouse, pheasant, lamb, pig...etc. never felt better.

>>734743880
That's your own fault for not making sure you get enough nutrients though.

for the rational anons out there, there's a quite awesome wikidebate going on at

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Should_we_go_vegan%3F

>>734743420
feels good not to be an american
feels good to live in country that still has dedicated butcher stores where you can buy what you pay for
I avoid restaurants whenever I can since I don't like the taste. whenever I go somewhere it tastes like... restaurant. not bad not good, just restaurant. home cooked food is best. also you don't have to pay a lot of money for 150g of unknown source meat with potatoes and some vegetables.
I don't eat fast food because it is garbage, horse meat cheese burgers and shit. no thanks.

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>>734744114
>To phrase your question differently, animals are living organisms in the same kingdom of life as us; why do they matter less than humans?
No, that is not what I asked at all.

>>734744114
So you suppose a lion would ask himself that question after eating yet another african kid?

>>734744155
That debate is horseshit. Stopped reading at the first argument for.

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>>734744155
Its all I need.

>>734744114
because they are mindless beasts

>>734744347
First of all, I didn't say anything resembling that, making that a strawman fallacy.

Second of all, lions lack the capacity a) for moral introspection b) sustaining life on a plant-based diet

>>734744278
The question are closely related, because you're saying eating any type of life is equivalent but I'm asking you if that distinction holds up for life which is more similar to us, or if it applies more or less

>>734743890
plants don't feel or suffer

>>734744562
There's no evidence whatsoever for your claim that they are "mindless." Killer whales are thought to have rudimentary forms of culture, just as a single counter-example.

Tried it for a few months, made my IBS way worse. I was shitting all the time.

>>734744620
You must think I'm actually taking anything you say seriously.

>>734744620
The statement was that the root of all that is wrong with the world is the idea that some lives matter less than others. My question is, why vegans/you think that this does not apply to plants.

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Daily reminder that killing non-people animals is morally equivalent to killing plants.

Eating animals is only wrong in the way that driving a car for fun is wrong.

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Mfw eating both meats and veggies are natural.

>>734744706
That makes it ok to kill them?

>>734744706
It's thanks to plants that you are breathing right now.

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>>734735703
vegetables r good 4 u

>>734744712
it's just instincts. animals have no souls, read the bible.

>>734744783
Eating fruit does not kill a tree, and is beneficial for the human and the tree. So your point relies on false assumptions.

>>734744753
No, I'm not surprised you're responding this way when you're confronted with uncomfortable challenges to your way of thinking.

>>734745099
>No, I'm not surprised you're responding this way when you're confronted with uncomfortable challenges to your way of thinking.
No, I just don't care about your opinions. I'll continue eating meat, regardless of how any animals are killed in the process. Why? because I can.

>>734745099
>Eating fruit does not kill a tree
It kills the cells of the fruit.
>is beneficial for the human and the tree
Only if you plant the seeds from the fruit. The tree doesn't benefit at all if you toss the core in the trash.

you can eat shit, i dont care, but dont tell others to eat shit and attach some ideology to this

>>734744879
well, some religious people (some jainists) say no and therefore only eat fruits, which the plants produce with the "intention" of other animals eating them

you may consider this too extreme of a diet, but that doesn't change the fact that they're probably right

i'm too weak to go that far tough, so i'm just vegan, as im certain that enslaving animals and killing them for food is morally wrong, and only mildly certain that cutting plant leaves and eating them is wrong

>>734745200
You don't care, but you keep responding?
>>734745238
Where does trash eventually end up? Often in and around ground.

Also, trees don't make fruit because every single seed produced in every single fruit will result in another tree. Indeed, even if no seeds are EVER planted from a tree, the tree is still evolutionarily successful because we are cultivating them, and we still benefit from the arrangement via food and oxygen.

>>734745099
>Eating fruit does not kill a tree, and is beneficial for the human and the tree. So your point relies on false assumptions.
Come on... A) Vegans don't just eat fruits, they eat all kinds of stuff that kills plants and B) drinking milk from a cow does also not kill the cow
My point relies on facts and you try to make stupid shit up because you're out of arguments.

people in bangladesh, indonesia, china etc. work in inhuman conditions.
factories are secured with suicide nets so we can buy cheap clothes and electronics...
but stupid vegans be like "poor cow, must help"

>>734745336
Why not just starve yourself to death? That way you can be certain that you aren't harming any plants or animals.

>>734745420
>You don't care, but you keep responding?
Of course. I'm on 4chan, I'm literally wasting time, and you are a good waste of time.
And if it pisses you off in the process, that's a win.

>>734736572
Yeah. I wouldn't go vegan either. Soy cheese is total crap.

>>734745443
A) Some vegans, I understand, do actually go so far as to try not to kill any form of life. So it's not made up. B) Drinking milk from a cow involves forcing the cow to reproduce over and over again, and these calves are usually killed.

>My point relies on facts and you try to make stupid shit up because you're out of arguments.
You're clearly insulting me and trying to elevate your own argument precisely because your arguments don't stand up to any actual scrutiny.

>>734745336
>as im certain that enslaving animals and killing them for food is morally wrong
So killing them to keep them from eating from crops is ok then? And killing them by displacing and depraving them from their natural habitat is also ok? Because that's what happens so you can eat your chia, quinoa, soy and whatnot.

>>734745420
>Often in and around ground.
More like buried in more trash in a landfill, then sealed in rubber and covered with dirt. The seeds have no chance of growing.
>the tree is still evolutionarily successful because we are cultivating them, and we still benefit from the arrangement via food and oxygen.
By this logic, farmed animals are evolutionarily successful because we are breeding them.

>>734745443
>My point relies on facts and you try to make stupid shit up because you're out of arguments.

btw, milking a cow doesn't kill her, but in order to get the milk, you have to get her pregnant and then take away the calf
if it's a male calf, he gets killed within days
if it's a female calf, she gets fed (not by her mother) until she is big enough to be forcefully impregnated to produce more milk

buying milk supports this barbaric system
watch Earthlings

>>734735216
i dont care about animals, i hate people, so planet can fucking die why would i go vegan

>>734745667
>and these calves are usually killed.
[citation needed]

>>734745695
Actually, much more land is used to create grazeland for livestock and/or grow corn and soybeans for livestock than would be used on a plant-based diet.

>>734735216
no

>>734735216
>implying humans aren't omnivores and need omnivorous diets to live healthy
>implying carnivorous animals are evil because they "don't think of the animals"
>implying eating animals is violent and not normal
>implying a balance of carnivorous and herbevorous animals across the earth is bad for the earth
>being evil because you don't "think of the plants"

>>734745710
Yes, they are evolutionarily successful by the logic I've used, but there's still the quandary of livestock having a greater capacity to suffer than a tree, and trees benefiting humankind by absorbing CO2 and producing O2 while livestock do the opposite.

>>734745777
>perfectly rational and reasonable
>barbaric
wut

>>734745803
watch Earthlings
search, and you will find

>>734735216
no

>>734735216

no thanks.

>>734743295
>being this stuck up your own ass
Yeah, you're definitely a vegan.

>>734746000
>>734735767
>>734735966
Omnivores means the organism CAN survive on EITHER plants OR animal diets (or both). So that word doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.

>>734741750
lol false as fuck u would piss it out nice try faggot

>>734746012
clearly you are a machine

>>734745821
I would love to see what do you plan to fertilize the land with once there is no livestock.
land will be dead in 10 years

>>734745821
Yes, land is used. Grassland, because you can have cattle and other livestock nearly anywhere in the world. Those fancy vegan foods need to be grown in Asia, where rainforest is destroyed to make space.

>>734746006
>still the quandary of livestock having a greater capacity to suffer than a tree
Irrelevant.
>trees benefiting humankind by absorbing CO2 and producing O2 while livestock do the opposite.
Marine plants produce the vast majority of O2. The O2 from your apple tree is pretty much negligible.

>>734746154
A biological machine, yes.

>>734746044
>Watch this documentary made by people trying to advance their own beliefs.
Why don't you just tell me to read the quran?

>try being vegan

I'm going to have double stake on my chipotle because of this dumbass thread. Then I'm going to make a anther thread that says "eat meet bitches".

Don't tell other pple what they should or shouldn't do. So fuck back off into vegan land with thee

>>734746044
>search, and you will find
That's not how it works, nigger.

>>734737384
How's your freshman year in philosophy class going, champ?

>>734746245
He would, but it only tells you not to eat pork.

>>734745336
dogs eating bunnies is mean :((((
the bunny dindu muffin

>>734745821
Simple crop rotations keep fields fertile indefinitely, whereas the slash-and-burn strategy for turning rainforest in grazeland wreaks devastation on fertility.

>>734746180
>Those fancy vegan foods need to be grown in Asia, where rainforest is destroyed to make space.

You're describing exactly how livestock grazeland is reclaimed from rainforest. You clearly have not the slightest clue what you're talking about.

>>734746197
>Irrelevant.
Why? You can't just declare someone's argument irrelevant without explanation. Well, you can, but it seems to suggest it's just very inconvenient for you to acknowledge or discuss.

>>734746197
>Marine plants produce the vast majority of O2. >The O2 from your apple tree is pretty much negligible.
Perhaps, but the methane from cattle is not negligible, and the difference between carbon output from a plant-based diet versus a meat-based diet is even more stark.

>>734746597
>You're describing exactly how livestock grazeland is reclaimed from rainforest. You clearly have not the slightest clue what you're talking about.
So it's evil if it's done for cattle, but it's ok if it's for soy? And it's still ok as long as more rainforest is destroyed for grazeland?

>>734746245
afraid to see behind the curtain?
what may you discover?
maybe your feelings?

trust me, its not that bad
lol

>>734746597
>Why?
Because the suffering of non-people is not morally relevant. They have no moral standing.
>Perhaps, but the methane from cattle is not negligible, and the difference between carbon output from a plant-based diet versus a meat-based diet is even more stark.
Sure, then eating meat is wrong in the same way that driving a car for fun or watching cat videos on youtube is wrong.

>>734739874
>he thinks overeating animal products being unhealthy=animal products are unhealthy
Vegans really are some of the most retarded people on this planet.

>>734746800
I didn't say that. The problem is that much of soy production is IN ORDER TO FEED CATTLE. Overall land use would be substantially lower if we were only feeding ourselves, not a stockpile of inefficient animals. We could reclaim grazeland and use it for crops meant for human consumption (not animal consumption). And surplus cropland around rainforest we could allow to revert to its natural state.

Diet for a warring population: dominated by meat
Diet for a healthy population: dominated by fish
Diet for a spiritual population: dominated by pulses and vegetables

>>734746900
>They have no moral standing.
There's a host of evidence to contradict this, like laws against animal cruelty, as well as basic human revulsion at this like shoveldog.gif.

You're really full of shit mate. You're just desperately making silly, childish arguments to avoid introspection. Why don't you stop using mental gymnastics to make excuses for yourself, watch a good documentary like Cowspiracy, and have some of these questions answered for yourself?

>>734747054
Let me ask you, would you eat meat from a cow that had been raised in your vicinity, lived outside its whole life without being abused and been killed painlessly. And if no, why not?

>>734747320
im not the anon you're asking but ill answer anyway
no, because killing the cow is causing unnecessary suffering

>>734747224
>There's a host of evidence to contradict this, like laws against animal cruelty
Laws can be wrong you know. Such laws are an example.
>basic human revulsion at this like shoveldog.gif.
Misfiring of instinctual emotions do not a solid moral foundation make.
>You're really full of shit mate.
I don't think so.
>You're just desperately making silly, childish arguments to avoid introspection.
I've actually thought about this quite a lot.
>watch a good documentary like Cowspiracy, and have some of these questions answered for yourself?
What questions?

>>734736656
Read the book Thinking, Fast and Slow

>>734747450
How is it causing suffering, i.e. who suffers? Don't say the cow because it's dead then and can't suffer.