Realistically, would a conventional US land and air invasion

>>734635764
yes but with very high casualties.

what are your victory conditions?

>>734635764
it would devastate both halves of the peninsula, like Mad Max levels of civilization wiping.

>>734635764
It would work, but Best Korea would have a field day raining shit down on China, Russia, South Korea and Japan while we were invading.

>>734635897
>>734635926
Would North Korea even dare to nuke the south? The entire world would ally against them.

>>734635963
aside form China, how is that any different than right now?

>>734635963
NK operates on the principle that the South is already theirs, occupied by US invaders. They would feel it's nobody else's business

>>734635963
The only reason nobody has done it yet is because they keep threatening "to rain nuclear fire" on everyone. I think if we suddenly invaded, he'd go for it while saying "I told you fucks I wasn't playing around."

>>734636026
We'd be talking about total war between the world against North Korea. They would lose. North Korea doesn't even have proper nuke capabilities against Europe and the US.

>>734635963
NK's high command knows they'll be killed if they actually use nukes, would probably negotiate surrender in exchange for alleviating their war crimes

>>734636209
Not a single person in the world has a scenario where the North wins, but that's not the point. This thread is about the US initiating combat, meaning they either get pasted by us, or pasted by us and everyone else. It's Titanic deck chairs.

>>734635764
I don't think a successful war is possible anymore after Vietnam. We would need to realize that war is hell and stop caring about how the media reports it. If we went back to having no concern about civilian casualties it would be a pushover.

>>734636209
The outcome isn't the problem. The problem is that they can nail Beijing, Seoul, Tokyo and Vladivostok without too much work. And what's the point of taking Pyongyang if that whole region is literally glowing in the dark afterwards?

>Kim actually starts war
>USA drops millions of gallons of knockout gas to the entire country
>Kim too poor for gas masks
>We walk in with knives
>Kill all the military
>Kill all the leaders
>War over

>>734636566
We have the capability to turn the entire country of NK into scorched earth before they ever knew they were being attacked. We just don't have enough balls to win anymore and it will be our demise.

>>734636566
let's not overstate things here. Their nukes are pitiful and wonky, their missiles are ghetto-rigged as fuck, and just as apt to land two nations over from where they are aimed. In the mega-crunch that is real time war, Murphy will shit all over their tech and no one would be safe.

>tfw the US dropped 2 (two) atomic bombs on civilians in the past
>tfw no balls to do it again

>>734636677
>knockout gas

because war is basically a 1960s spy TV show.

You would never see US soilders on the ground before a massive air and sea bombing campaign.

>>734636711
your math is so wrong I'm not completely sure you'll be able to read this.

>>734636566
The moment they aim a nuke at a city, they will have 5 aimed and fired at Pyongyang.

>>734636791
>US only one to drop bomb on civilians.
>US has biggest balls. Rest of the world trying to find theirs.

>>734636791
>sociopathy is gradually being phased out of international politicking

that's technically a win.

>>734636789
And let's not understate the fact that if Murphy strikes us and a nuke pops off in China or Russia what will we say? "Oops" isn't going to stop anyone from saying "Since the Americans caused this shit, we'll do the same to them."

>>734637005
Are you retarded? You think countries will ally with NK after being nuked by it?

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>>734636902
>math
>read
>no math involved

>>734636919
You mean like now, where Best Korea pops off a missile and our response is to send Pence to "show our determination" by posing for cameras?

>>734637005
I'm not following. Are you saying that our nukes are as prone to failure as NK? And why would we even consider nukes, we have plenty more options.

>>734637136
low quality bait for low quality fish. HAHA!

>eats bad fish
>dies

>>734637108
You seem to miss the point of the it.

>>734637174
No. What if NK finds out and lobs their shit before our shit gets there?

>>734635764
>Realistically, would a conventional US land and air invasion against North Korea be feasible?

They are using 1980s era weapons. All of that heavy hardware in their parades are just empty facades. A single US carrier group would destroy most of NK's military hardware with airstrikes alone. A war with them would be a joke. Target practice. The real war would come after the leadership collapses, and the nation with it, leaving 25 million desperate civilians who still worship their god-king.

>>734636677

this isn't MGSV noob

>>734635764
If we are basing this war on the assumption that China and Russia do not intervene on the side of North Korea then. Yes, its quite feasible. However if China or Russia or both intervene the best case scenario is what we are facing now. A North and South Korea

>>734637371
Again, Why is our shit in the air? Trump? Don't fag this up with his orange ass.

>>734637388
>The real war would come after the leadership collapses, and the nation with it, leaving 25 million desperate civilians who still worship their god-king.
I'm pretty sure they don't worship him for real. They're forced to worship him or face prison and/or execution of an entire 3 generations of family.

>>734637174
This. There are no targets in NK big enough to warrant nuclear weapons. Also despite how everyone feels about us I don't think we are dumb enough to use nuclear weapons again, we keep them merely as a balance of power. We could level the country with non-nuclear cruise missiles.

>>734637388
replace "worship their god-king" with "would really like some food now", and you've pretty much got it.

>>734637483
He's irrelevant to this. I'm speaking purely of "what will they do if we invade" regardless of who actually does the invading.

>>734637569
You think we can force them to surrender with the promise of quality food and unrestricted internet access?

>>734637388
This really doesnt make a whole lot of difference in Korea. Especially where Mechinized divisions are concerned. The topography of Korea is such that any war in Korea will be faught by infantry. Infantry do not need super high tech gadgets to be effective. North Korea has enough infantry to make a war a very bloody affair

>>734637618
So, no US nukes, then? Just the NK roman candles? The ones that run a 30/70 chance of even going off? Who's going to thnk that the solution to one of those misfired is to launch on America, who would still have their full arsenal ready?

>>734637789
the ones in charge already have that.

>>734636789
They have been gearing for war for the past 50 years. They don't even need nukes. The amount of conventional/biological/chemical weapons pointed at the south is enough to destroy most populated areas in minutes. They have entire mountains embedded with bunkers full of fuckery. There is no easy options with North Korea

>>734637994
re-emphasis on "No one is safe"

>>734637898
The civilians and most of the army doesnt

>>734637994
The manority of North Koreas artilerly can only reach a few km inside South Koreas boarders. But that said you are absolutly right that its enough to cause wide scale death upon millions

>>734638274
fine, by all means try to make an appeal to the Have-nots without the Haves noticing and per-empitvely intervening. If you succeed, you will have turned social engineering on its head.

>>734637860
A misfired nuke is still a mess to clean up later. Never mind all the other nasty shit they have squirreled away for their coming out party.

>>734638325
We have the capability of leveling all of their artillery and missile sites simultaneously. We just wouldn't because there would be too many civilian casualties and it would make it look like NK isn't even trying to fight back. Then a bunch of limp dicked pussies will protest because we are committing "war crimes."

>>734637811
I vote we napalm it first.

>>734638274
The civilians and most of the army are not stupid enough to rise up. If there is an actual invation and large coridors are opened in the dmz, i am sure a huge portion of the civilian population will make good their escape to the south. But they will not try and bring this on themselves

>>734638614
I hate to tell you, but wholesale slaughter of a civilian population is actually a war crime, no matter who is doing the slaughtering.

>>734638614
War crimes dont matter if you are the victor

>>734638706
>war crime
>war

no rules in war, only losers and victors.

>>734638733
Are you retarded?

>>734635764
i dont know have you tried it before?

>>734638577
I'm not arguing that. Just that somehow it would be seen as cause for retribution against the US.

>>734638706
It's only a war crime when someone that's not the united States doing it.
We don't really Fucking care.

>>734638706
It's also the trolley problem. Killing a few to save many is a hard decision but the correct one.

>>734638760
Actually anon, there are "laws" to war. Google "laws of war", but only civilised countries follow them. I highly doubt NK will abide by them.

>>734638817
yeah, still waiting to see how it shakes out, though.

>>734638826
geneva convention mean anything to you pleb?

>>734638930
lol fair point

>>734635764
Only if we first convinced everyone else that it was necessary to eradicate the population and proceeded to do just that.

>>734638899
I know that, I'm disagreeing with it. The geneva convention is a stupid hollow gesture that never actually gets followed anyway, it merely is something to point at in order to make us look like the bad guy.

>>734638614
No we dont. Even if you are able to forward deploy the entire US Air Force, North Korea will be able to rain down hellfire before any effective counter battery or air strikes are able to deal with the artilery in range of the South

>>734638657
They used Napalm in the first Korean war. Nato had complete contol of the air. It didnt stop a largely infantry based attack by the Chinese from pushing all Nato and South Korean forces south of Souel.

>>734638782
Let's not forget Allies targeting German civilians in air raids or the U.S. demostrating its power at the end of war but we didnt face any consequences for deliberately targeting civilians

>>734638948
Not really. It's a piece of paper.

>>734639054
I know a guy who's good for that. He lives in a mansion north of the Potomac... or is it a high-rise in Manhattan?

>>734635764
filthy imperialists at it again

>>734639127
Piece of paper that hung quite a few Germans and Japs though.

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>>734635764
fuck conventional. I say we just project pluto them.

>>734635764

No problem... We'll just have Seth Rogan and James Franco go handle it..

>>734639075
Obviously we weren't aggressive enough.

>>734639095
Beacuse U.S population hated the germans in that time but now with the SJW and other people like this it could end bad for the U.S

>>734639095
we have all done shameful things in war the point is to not repeat the same mistakes. we learn and move forward

>>734639075
We don't even need airstrikes we could do it with cruise missiles. However even with an aistrike, if we coordinate properly by the time they react to the first strike the last strike will have already finished. They will still have a few sites that our intel doesn't know about but I am willing to bet we are aware of at least 90% of their weaponry and we have enough planes and ships to attack all of them simultaneously.

>>734639222
Jesus, put that away, you want Dorito Mussolini catching wind of that shit? He'd order a million of em

>>734639194
yeah but they lost, and at that some of the evidence was faked or at least attempted to be faked

>>734639194
Didn't really need that piece of paper to do it. It just "legitimized" killin' 'em.

>>734639194
who the FUCK is gonna tell the United States that they can't bomb the shit out of NK and kill civilians in the process!?! Everybody hates them except china every other country will just turn the other cheek like nothing ever happened

>>734639260
against the goddamn People Liberation Army? That's a no-prize, there's no one that aggressive in the Solar system.

>>734639127
like the decleration of independence or the magna carta? fucking degenerate.

The geneva convention is simply a guideline for losing wars. No war will ever be won by someone following it and people that don't follow it almost always get away with doing such.