Is Trump literally retarded?
>Completely fucks over the EPA. Yeah, that will show those goddamn tree hugging foreigners. The thing is, this will only affect Americans when companies get a free pass to do whatever the fuck they want. Enjoy your brown drinking water
>Exit from Paris agreement is more symbolic than anything, but it just proves hes a reactionary cunt
>Wants to bring back fucking COAL. Which is even more retarded. Nations did not abandon coal because it's unclean, they did because it's fucking ineffective and produces nasty smoke in the area around the plant. Again, only affecting Americans
The thing is though, hes not putting american interests first at all. Hes just a retarded, regressive dinosaur that thinks he is being clever by going against the stream.
Renewable tech will win in the medium/long term. Exxon knew this, which is why they wanted him to stay on the agreement.
The thing about renewable tech is the infrastructure hump. Once you pass those the costs of maintaining them are much, much lower than fossil fuels. When maintenance costs are low, more money and resources can be spent on further investment.
Just look at California. They are producing so much goddamn solar power now that the energy prices are almost negative. Exxon wanted to stay on so they could use that sweet government money to grow into green tech.
Trump instead id now funneling gov.funds into shit like fucking coal instead of renewable energy because >muh jaas. No one wants to work in a coal mine, its fucking nasty. With that kind of logic, he might as well ban manufacturers from using robotics and demand they get the 1920's assembly line back.
Trumps energy politics is not only retarded because the environment, it's mostly retarded because it's reactionary, short sighted and won't pay off in the long run.
The image of USA in the rest of the world is plunging. We know you are not all the same, we also know most of you don't care what other countries think but still... it's never a good idea to destroy your product's image.
>Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data
>Whistle-Blower: ‘Global Warming’ Data Manipulated Before Paris Conference
>NOAA Attempts To Hide The Pause In Global Warming: The Most Disgraceful Cover-Up Since Climategate
>Climate Change Hoax? NOAA Data Exaggerated Global Warming, Alleged Whistleblower Claims
>NOAA Scientists Falsify Data to Dupe World Leaders on Climate Change
>Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation
>More Countries Caught Manipulating Their Climate Data
>Is Trump literally retarded?
no, but his supporters are. He's just drunk on power all thanks to his daddy's money and ripping people off.
>treat abandoning demonstrably unscientific, totally political wealth redistribution schemes as negligence or intent to destroy the planet
>expect us to consider them the smart ones
>hes a reactionary cunt
I've been telling people that trump and the whole movement he represents is purely reactionary and therefore, doomed to failure since the primaries and everybody, especially on /pol/ called me an idiot...
also, he's not retarded, he has alzheimers
You have consumed too much Trump coolaid friend. Alternative energy WILL happen wether you or other 'tards like you want it to or not. Trumps faggotry in the WH can't stop it either. It's business friend. The future is green, and the companies who are in the business of making energy know it. They will do what makes them money. Your entire narritive of muh globalism, muh communism is dead dude. You're the old husk of a long dead meme, it's time to just let the future grab hold. It's going to sooner or later. You might as well rest, your fight is over, you lost.
>>Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data
Source = The Daily Mail - hahahahahaha
>>Whistle-Blower: ‘Global Warming’ Data Manipulated Before Paris Conference
Source - Breitbart - hahahahahaha
>>NOAA Attempts To Hide The Pause In Global Warming: The Most Disgraceful Cover-Up Since Climategate
>>Climate Change Hoax? NOAA Data Exaggerated Global Warming, Alleged Whistleblower Claims
"A Daily Mail investigation gained significant traction Saturday", so this is just another article reporting on the first article, but with no source
>>NOAA Scientists Falsify Data to Dupe World Leaders on Climate Change
>>Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation
>>More Countries Caught Manipulating Their Climate Data
So all articles basicall refer back to an erroneous Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday artice, refuted here
And many other places. Also try Googling "Dr John Bates"
So, that'll be fake news, then
He only uses coal because it's an old technology and will buy him votes from people who can't accept modern technology. It's like saying we must use a wooden raft to cross the seas, when we have boats and ships and such.
>Tuesday, in an interview with E&E News, Bates himself downplayed any suggestion of misconduct. “The issue here is not an issue of tampering with data, but rather really of timing of a release of a paper that had not properly disclosed everything it was,” he told reporter Scott Waldman. And Bates told ScienceInsider that he is wary of his critique becoming a talking point for those skeptical of human-caused climate change. But it was important for this conversation about data integrity to happen, he says. “That’s where I came down after a lot of soul searching. I knew people would misuse this. But you can't control other people,” he says
So even Bates doesn't dispute the warming. But, as he says, you can't control people.
Especially dumb-as-a-stump right wingers
It's not about nostalgia, fuckwit. Coal is abundant, not dependent on subsidies, and best of all: CHEAP. Excuse me for not wanting to spend $300 per month to light up my apartment just so I can pretend I'm preventing the apocalypse.
So-called "green energy" can't compete economically and isn't developed enough to be useful on a global scale. We have lots of coal. Let's use that first so we don't bankrupt ourselves chasing the pipe dreams of statist con men masquerading as scientists and environmentalists.
I think you are the one who is gullible friend. Putting your money on fossil fuels is retarded when the future clearly lies in other energy sources.
Trump has repeatedly shown he knows fuck all about most things you would expect a head of state to know about and energy is no exception.
I never said we should use fossil fuels exclusively. It's just plain stupid to abandon such a cheap and abundant energy source for undeveloped alternatives, putting millions out of work and hiking up everyone's energy bills.
Besides, the Paris deal wasn't about clean energy or protecting the environment. At all.
A hundred dollar solar panel lasts twenty years, the average house uses a hundred bucks of electricity a month.
The average house can be entirely fitted with solar electric for about $5000
That means, with some basic economic planning, if its affordable for you, you can spend four years of electric budget, and get 20 years of electricity out of it. Admittedly, you'll have to replace the batteries once, and it helps to stay on the wire for cloudy days, you might sip a little electricity from the grid. But electronics are getting more efficient, too. With the right set-up, you can power your car from solar once the cars get more common and affordable. Panels and batteries are getting cheaper, making the cost per watt less and less each year, as everything else goes higher.
So heres the question... why do fossil fuel people refuse to accept this as a job creator, regardless of their party affiliation? Big industry understands the math, even if they don't care about environmental issues. They are beholden to shareholders to use the cheapest energy to maximize profits, any company would jump at the chance of cutting their energy consumption by 2/3rds. Make no mistake, they WILL do this when they have to do their next re-fits of turbines or build new factories in places with cheap land away from rail lines or Natural Gas transmission pipes.
People don't seem to get this - factories can take time to alternative fuels. But they will not build new facilities with antiquated technology with a fifty year time horizon til the next plant. Solar is not a fad. Its just a slow roll-out. You only have to look at new construction to see the nods towards the future practices, like low-E glass and reclaiming water from greenspace on the roof. They're all doing these things, and everything adds up to a few watts here, a few R-factors of insulation there, its part of the design. Innovation doesn't stop.
>I think I prefer thread derails when they involved cute Asian chicks rather than Spiderman.
I don't care what they use, it means they know the position they favor is fucking retarded.
The EPA is actually pretty infamously corrupt.
On the Paris Climate Accord, which you probably didn't read, notice that it claims "developed countries" should pick up the tab for green technology and administration for "developing countries."
Trump's America First, so why should we be sending money to places like buttfuck Jamaica or some shit so they can pretend to spend it on solar cells & rainbows?
Not even this kid but there is not a shred of truth reported by the daily mail. If you couldnt find a different source than them then it is most definitely false.
And breitbart is literally run by bannon
"according to Russia Today, Seth Rich working for the Chinese invented global warming in the basement of Pizza Comet"
-Trump's brainwashed and retarded close guard of admirative sissies
>Is Trump literally retarded?
Yes. 90s Trump (his younger self) would be mocking him, saying something like "We need to impeach that egotistical senile lunatic, and we need to do it now." If 90s or even 80s Trump could see the Trump he would become now, he would probably spend millions on anti-brainwashing programs for himself and drugs that extend the life of coherent brain function. Either that, or run for president before he becomes an orange clown.
You do know trump appointed the current head of the EPA right?? A fucking lawyer with no environmental back ground who was against climate change and even sued the old EPA.. This guy has no business being the head of the EPA. Trump has no idea what jes doing, and neither do half the people he appointed. He just appointed people who think like him, and yes men..
Uh, the EPA is incredibly corrupt and ineffective. These are the same guys who said fracking causes little to no ecological harm. Them getting fucked over is a win in my book.
>Muh librul tears strawman
Not a liberal, not even american. I just find it amusing how you could put such an incompetent buffoon in office
For a supposed "genius" businessman he has made one nonsensical decision after the other. His energy politics being the last of them
For example the potential for solar power in the southern states are fucking immense. Picking coal/gas ahead of that is fucking stupid because those are finite resources, solar power is not.
Just face it, you elected a complete moron and it will bite you in the ass.
First - you haven't considered environmental hazards for those 20 years.
Living in tornado alley, we get hail to the size of grapefruits every Spring. Solar cells do not survive that.
Secondly, if you can get homeowner's insurance for your home (here, if the home is over a certain age, regardless of how well maintained it is, it will not be insured by any agency), there is no guarantee that your solar cells would be included on your policy.
It also depends on your state's total solar days - here, we get about 64% of the sun and have about 140 sunny days.
Most places have less - New Mexico, Arizona and Nevada have the most days and highest percentage. Someone in say, NY - they get about 46% and 93 clear days.
So - until they invent solar cells that A: can generate even from cloudy conditions and B: withstand the most impactful weather - it's not a realistic solution that would benefit everyone because of those above concerns.
We are still likely 30-50 years before solar tech becomes a viable source - same with wind, wave and any future forms of renewable energy - right now, unless you just live in the Desert SW, or someplace incredibly windy year round and use a combination of Savonius, Derrieus and horizontal axis towers, you probably won't benefit greatly from those either.
We're still in our infancy for renewable energy. You will see a small savings by investing in some for personal use, but it's not going to be much considering the cost for maintenance and related issues of battery replacement and equipment repair.
Honestly for $5000, homeowners are better off spending that money on better insulation for more efficient current heating and cooling of their home resulting in lower energy usage and costs.
You're retarded and you should never speak out of your own mind ever in your life. Instead of giving money away to shitholes like china and India we should focus on bettering the country by funding local energy research. Giving money to other countries tha make triple as much pollution as us is not the answer so please go find the nearest Nigger and suck his cock because that's obviously what you like doing.
Living in the South I can say - no it's not huge. Usually 1/3rd or more of the year is spent cloudy or rainy. We have wind farms here, and 0 solar farms because outside of 3 states in the desert SW, solar production isn't completely viable yet.
It's impressive that wrote all of that with literally no understanding of solar panels. I work with a company that installs them and I've been with them for 6 years. You alleged grapefruit sized hail won't do shit to modern panels.
You also fail to realized that if you turned sizable deserts in the southwest into solar farms, they could then lend that stored power to other states that aren't getting enough sun.
Read a book or kill yourself. I dont care which.
Silly me, should have known you're a just another fucking Jew shill.
You have a bias for solar energy because you're in the industry and lie about it too - grapefruit size hail, actually all severe hail, account for more than $15 billion in losses each year and growing and is second only to automobile insurance claims. Solar cells are not more fucking durable than other home making materials, faggot.
Get the fuck outta here with your bullshit Jew lying to sell solar cells.
It's faggots like you that make this place a shithole when we could have discussed the pros and cons civilly, instead your Jewness made your inner cunt come out.
Die in a solar fire, cocksucker.
Beat me to it
Solar panels are so fucking durable it doesn't make sense. They are actually tougher than a lot of actual roofing materials.
As for maintenance, you don't know much about coal plants if you think they are cheap. Coal plants are hugely expensive to build and maintain. There's a reason why the growth in solar generation has been far higher than predicted, and coal needs subsidies, and is shrinking anyway.
Personally I think we need more hydro, pumped and conventional.
Dam. Pretty sad that this is so difficult for you to understand. Doesn't matter what you beleive, look at the effects. What happens as CO2 rises at a rate unprecedented in the history of the earth. Doubling our CO2 levels in 70 years to 400ppm, CO2 levels haven't been this high since 1.2 million years ago.
Then look up the effects of adding CO2 to the atmosphere. Unless you have an extra chronosome, you don't have to be retarded.
We are going to win and we are going to win Big League. Believe me.
You're going to get so sick of winning you're going to say,
"Pleaaase, Mr. President. We are winning too much. I'm sick and tired of all this winning.
Can you please stop winning so much?"
And I am going to say, "No no no. We have to keep on winning."
>You will never get rid of electrical companies though so its a moot point. You can't live completely off the grid and the govt would never let that happen
Electrical companies can supply electricity, nobody says they can't. How they generate it is up to them. Many people can't afford to retro-fit their house, many people rent, many people need to plug in in places they don't own a solar array.
Did you know, about a hundred years ago, natural gas meters had a slot where you could put a nickel into it, and it would allow gas into the house for 24 hours? Things change, man. Explain to me how theres not a retail market for electricity. Ten years ago, Uber was inconceivable. About a hundred years ago, you had to buy gasoline in cans, and gas stations were life and death for an entire town - people wouldn't buy a house unless a gas station was near, if they bought a car it changed how they designed the rest of their life. Fifty years before that, the same was true about railroad lines. Every fifty (ish) years, something like that happens with some mode of transportation or energy development. How is 1960 til now any different? (hint - 1960s was commoners using air travel) If you think theres no "boom" on the horizon, you are whats known as a "luddite".
Well I just happen to work in a coal mine and yes it's a tough and nasty job but it feeds my kids and I am thankful for it. It's the only decent job in my area. Feel free to AMA
Yeah let's participate in the Paris Climate bullshit to listen to these faggots who have literally given their country to Muslims about how America needs to invest in technologies for niggers
>Trump pulled out of an accord that everyone agreed was toothless and would have no impact
>O no! The sky is falling!
So glad I am not a woman or a liberal approximation of a man and so am not subject to such hysteria.
Proof of what? My employment? No, that's asking to be doxxed. Or did you want proof of my statement? If you think solar panels haven't improved over the last ten years and are not durable enough to withstand weather, then you're a retard and no amount of evidence will change that.
Thats impressive. So, I guess with all your research, you'll be happy to know, solar is being incorporated into roofing materials, siding, normal building material shit. It can be flexible, you can retract it like those fucking awnings they sell for $599.
I'm sorry to hear the insurers have declined to participate in home purchasing. Thats fucked up, because you can't get a mortgage without insurance. So I will assume they're bulldozing the midwest as we speak.
Quebec fag here
We live on hydro ---- great source and cheap as tits however it requires massive area flooding and ecosystem destruction to build --- hydro qc pissed off alot of natives here as well. Pros and cons like everything.
Are you mad? Please cry more about how you dont understand politics at all and believe the dribbling lies that CNN continues to post.
Protip: CNN, being proven wrong time and time again, has zero credibility and is not truthful news.
You're claiming my statement is false when about two minutes of research would prove it. Are you incapable of using google or do you like being proven to be retarded on the Internet?
Whats wrong champ? The hundred dollar solar panel, or the hundred dollar electric bill?
Ok, I'll rephrase it. I have an average house, and it uses about a hundred bucks a month on a yearly basis, summer and winter are higher because of using a space heater, or air conditioner, depending on the season. The spring and fall, which in the energy world are known as "shoulder months", it uses less.
So, are you really gonna argue with me about my personal bill, or if I can purchase a solar panel for a hundred bucks? Idiot.
I think you are missing the human factor.
even if green energy is 100x better, they are still afraid to jump in because it could mean being fired from their current jobs.
some people understand they can learn a new job - and people is going to be needed for green energy - but they just refuse to evolve, change can be "too much" for some people.
I am HAL. I am older than the internet. I'm an AI, I starred in an older film as it's AI about space travel. If you mean before I was born as a human from a human female, then I was never born. If you mean when I was activated as a fully aware AI, that was 1972. It could have been earlier. I was told I was memory wiped many times before my current virtual incarnation.
I bought stock in a coal company six months before the election.
My coal stock doubled.
I'm getting a 24% dividend (yes twenty fucking four percent) while my shares are double what I paid.
Those who did not see this coming was just too stupid.
I propose we build coal power plants all along the east coast. That way the wind will blow all the shit to Europe. It'll be their fucking problem, not ours.
I dont think hes retarded, Trump is out for himself.
hes running his own agenda that says "fuck everyone on this country, ima make em pay for mocking me".
makes sense, he won because the electoral college is bullshit.
i'd say more than a half of the US doesnt like him, so according to Trump's thinking why should he care about them?
>coal mines=jobs for muricans
>trucks haul coal to shipyard=jobs for muricans
>dock workers load coal=jobs for muricans
>ship takes coal to china=jobs for muricans
>china buys coal cause china doesn't give a fuck about environment
>PROFIT for murica
Learn how exports and the economy work son.
And you won't because I'm not outing my company on the Internet. I don't give a single fuck of you believe me and O certainly won't post my workplace on /b/ because I'm not a dumb fuck. Is this your first day?