If E=MC2(squared) and energy is matter, and matter can neither

If God put it here, what put God there?

>>734439605

Matter can be created and destroyed, that's what that equation means you imbecile.

Also, nice bait.

He would have to exist outside of our 3D universe.

>>734439744

No it means energy can be transformed in mass and mass is energy.

>>734439605
it always existed my guy

>>734439744
>created
>destroyed

You mean converted. Matter can be converted to energy and vice versa

You don't understand the theory of special relativity.

>>734439605
>trying to use scientific theories and bad logic to prove gods existence

Either return to high school and learn Logic 101 again or fucking kill yourself idiot

>>734439763
What does it mean to exist outside of reality?

it got sucked into a black hole from the universe outside ours, which resulted in all that energy to burst as a big bang. kinda like when you pull rope towards yourself from both directions and you end up with a loop that keeps growing, but in 4(+?) dimensions.

>>734439800
No it means everything with mass possesses energy (and vice versa).

This could be a potential checkmate for Atheist. Using science to destroy their illusions.

>>734439988
Not when you don't understand the science you're trying to use to disprove athiesm

>>734440066
What do I have wrong?
Take your time, explain.

>>734439800
>>734439846

Yes it's conversion, but in the process, matter is destroyed. When two particles annihilate, they are destroyed and photons are created.

>>734439988
>I could use science to prove god's existence
>flips burgers in McDonalds

k

I posit that without a creation force, nothing could exist. Not space, not black holes, not atoms, nothing. Try to imagine nothing. You can't. Best you can do is imagine the absence of light, and that would still be something. Something had to put the materials here and create the space for them to exist.

>>734439605

You can get energy (and therefore matter) from nothing due to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

>>734439988
Hint: If science is going to prove God, it won't be on an anonymous image board alongside threads about cucks and how Hitler did nothing wrong.

>>734439988

>I don't understand anything thus someone must have made it on purpose.

litteraly any major religion in a nutshell

>>734440141

>When two particles annihilate, they are destroyed and photons are created.

saying that matter is destroyed is still somewhat incorrect as it exists under the form of energy after annihilation

>>734440278
>I posit that without a creation force, nothing could exist
Prove it.

How do you know that it isn't the case that something exists, and that's just the way that it is?

>>734439605
>where did the matter in our universe come from?
From the previous universe before this one

>>734440141
It is not destroyed. Nothing is lost, just changed. Like burning wood. Yes, the wood disappears but it is transformed into heat, smoke, and ash.

>>734439605
The origins of life, the universe, and everything has always been an enigma to all of us throughout all of history. The question "where did everything come from" is not a new question, as it has existed far before Einstein and his equations. It cannot be used to "prove" the existence of an intelligent creator because the question itself (plus fear of death) has spawned the idea of a creator.

Unless God has an observable influence over the universe, the "God argument" shall always remain religious and philosophical rather than scientific.

>>734439605
^2 is squared
you don't need to write "squared"

>>734439988
>1000 years ago
>why does it rain bro?
>idk god did it
>checkmate atheists!!

That's how retarded you sound, just because you don't know something doesn't mean god did it

>>734440136
well your first mistake is "OH, HERES SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN'T EXPLAIN, THAT MEANS MY VERSION OF THE INVISIBLE MAN IN THE SKY IS RIGHT AND THIS IS THE ONLY SOLUTION"
even though matter isn't being destroyed, its being converted to energy. E = mc^2 means that the energy released in nuclear fission is the same as the loss in mass x the speed of light squared, not meaning it is destroyed, but converted into energy, go do a high school physics course you dingus

>>734440418

If i smash a car to bits all of the components are still there but i definitely destroyed the car.

>>734440307
>>734440357
>>734440278
>>734440141
>>734439896
>>734440405
>>734439763
>>734439744
>>734439605

Niggers, if you don't know anything about theoretical physics then don't fucking discuss it
You're not going to prove god exist on an image board

>>734440278
So you can imagine god always existing, but you can't imagine space and matter (that you can actually see) always existing? ok

>>734440545

This is a really shitty comparison

>>734440469
Fucking dumb fag can't even write 2.

>>734440469
Using phone. Couldn't figure out how to make the right sized numbers. At work, bored.

I have a feeling that this is potentially right though. Any help disproving this before I invest alot of time into it is appreciated.

>>734440571

>Niggers, if you don't know anything about theoretical physics then don't fucking discuss it

mfw some of us are studying physics now stfu Tyrone

>>734439605
Go back to bible camp and sucking eachother off. GOD WILLS IT

>>73443987
It means it doesn't freaking exist. but existing outside of our 3d universe doesnt een outside of reality

>>734440545
The car is still a car. Nothing changed. Not even yiur stupidity

>>734440526
exactly, AND our scientific laws don't even attempt to describe how matter or energy got here. It doesn't even try to explain why the big bang occurred. We just take their existence as a given, and everything after that is explained rather well by the laws we have discovered through experiment and theory over the last few centuries. We don't even know why there are physical laws at all, and don't claim to.

>>734440668
That's a hard R dumb shit. Dudes white AF

The universe is in actually a mind fucking simulation created by the Mad God Yaldaboath, there is no matter, no energy, no life...it is all a lie and deception to entrap you in his web.

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Here are some tits for your troubles.

>>734440668
>minored in physics
>took quantum physics
>the physics majors consistently failed the tests
>only curving allowed people to pass
I always remember that whenever someone says they study physics.

Whoaaaaaa... Double Rainbow... Dudddeeeee

>>734440709
Such hostility. I get you aren't happy with religion, but I haven't suggested anything about religion, only a creation force.

>>734440849
Well look, I am an electrical engineer, never studied theoretical physics in my life and I don't go around image boards talking about the 11th dimension and Einstein relativity

>>734440849

Dude lmao I studied theoretical physics for 5 years and quantum physics for 3, I can beat the fuck out of you on any physics subject, bitch.

always remember that when you're talking to me

>>734441002

>electrical engineer
>never studied physics
>mfw electricity is part of physics

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>>734439696
/thread

>>734441004
Is this the physics version of being an internet tough guy?

>>734441075
Electricity is not part of theoretical physics anon.

>>734441004
I studied Enochian Magick for five years and I have studied the keys to the portal to the demonic dimension for 4 years, fuck you

>>734440997
No you said God, nice try.
Pro tip: we live in an age where Christians are ridiculed for their archaic AF beliefs

Well, just think about it. My break is over. Back to flipping burgers.

>>734441219
Please tell me that's the guy with all the physics credentials, lmao I pooped a lil

>>734441205
God would be the name attributed to the creation force. The creator is God. Pretty simple concept

>>734439696
megagod.

>>734439605
Godfag forgot the momentum part of the equation

We cant possibly fathom where matter and energy came from or if it is enternal. Throwing the word God in the mix is the lamest reasoning. It stifles real reasearch and theories.

>>734441452
kek

>>734440849
>>the physics majors consistently failed the tests
The notion of "failure" on an academic endeavor is arbitrary. What magical genie came along and said 90 to 100% is an A, 80 to 90% is a B, etc.?

Physics is hard. The fact that physics teachers have to use curves is a badge of honor, proclaiming physics the best major. LOL @ weaklings.

E=mc2 is not indicative of a conversion process. Einstein wrote it differently. M=e/c2 is the original equation. Take two wrist watches, both alike in every way down to each subatomic particle, if you were to wind one, inserting energy into the system, it would increase the mass. A coiled spring has more mass than an uncoiled one. I'm not a scientist so I could be wrong but this is my take on it.

>>734441494
"real theories"

God is a real theory.

>>734439605
Vacuum fluctuations + time is relative = anything can pop up out of nowhere

>>734440526
>go do a high school physics course
i'm not supposed to be near schools anymore.

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Isn't it when the universe becomes so compressed by concentrated matter that it implodes on itself?

What the fuck is gravity, anyway?

>>734441560
if god doesn't have a god then where did his morals come from?

Megagod. checkmate, you cant disprove it.

well actually stephen hawking tried to theorize a mathematical solution to the very question, I don't understand his math and to me it sounded like he was getting a bit soft in the head.. back when I read his book. but doesn't mean the question can't be answered.

>>734441598
Theories have evidence behind them, god has a whole bunch of "But that's what my dad told me" behind him

>>734439605
The biggest and IMO best theory that fits science is string theory which is basically Multi-verse. It states that the big bang could have been two planes touching and transferring energy. If you show me a picture of YOUR god, I'll shut my mouth and start fucking little boys.

>>734441687
In this theory, god exists outside of time. Never being born and never dying. Has always, and will always exist.

I think what anon is saying is that E=mc2 is a closed loop. No energy or matter is being created, only converted between the two states. With that in mind what supplied the energy, be it a being or event, that started this loop. In this respect a god is just as likely as a big bang as the cause for the creation of energy is unknown and mearly speculated about.

Ok guys forgive me for my english but remember the string teories, this ones are on more than 3 dimentions this because of the physical properties of quarks, so our understanding hihgly depends on our nature, we are a 3D creatures and our brains have evolve to satisfy our natural needs. For example an ant cant unterstand our world, its the same with us. We cannot understand the cosmos complexity because our brains are too small and thats ok, also god does not exist come on we are not muslims (fucking primates)

>>734441782
Well, in that case, its best not to show you a picture of god.

So what are you geek doing to do this weekend? It certainly isn't fucking some chicks.

>>734441857
In other words a deity that can't exist in his own creation because he would become his own paradox, both existing and not existing because he has no beginning and can't have a death.

>>734441899


but the string theory is shit

>>734441899
That makes sense. (sorry for bad english)

your god created niggers
checkmate Christians

>>734439605
You're assuming there even is a god when there could easily be another explanation.

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>>734441887
Spot on
I might be wrong (probably)
But that is the idea.

>>734439605
Energy doesn't matter, but black matter lives.

>>734439605
Then who put God there?

>>734441969

Talking about theoretical physics is probably much more interesting and useful for one's culture and enrichment than satisfying primal needs such as reproduction.

>>734442089
Megagod you retard. we've already discussed this.

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>>734442101
Keep saying that to yourself.

>>734441584
They only have to use curves because it's so easy that everyone gets 90%+ all the time. That's the thing with math-based subjects, it's all about memorising formulas and punching numbers in. Not hard at all.

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>be me
>91 in quantum physics
>total retard drunkard
>only got high mark because ugly physics teacher lady wanted my dicc
>banged her before final
>mfw genetic privilege actually exists
>I'm black too

Y'all betas mad???

>>734442101
>theoretical physics is probably more interesting than sex
lol you probably dont understand either thing

>>734442183

That's not how you become an important person on earth you animal

>>734442089
The creator would exist outside of our dimension. Existing outside of the realm of time would mean he has no beginning and no end. Just always has been

>>734442218

Neither do you and still you dare opening your filthy mouth


mucho autismo

>>734439846
Not vice versa.
pay attention in class next time.

>>734439605
it doesnt matter since e=mc2 is misogynistic hate science

>>734439696
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Revelation 22:13 KJV

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>>734441648
>takes high school physics
>asks edgy as fuck questions
>is actually a moron

OOOH, YOU WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL! YOU WANT A FUCKING MEDAL? KILL YOURSELF.

>>734439605
Matter can be created. Look at what happens when you pull two quarks apart

>>734442259
>The creator would exist outside of our dimension.
What does that even mean?

>>734442400
Yeah that's what I would say too if I had a megagod to answer to.

>>734442400
>quoting a book of fairy tales
ayy lmao

>>734442223
Your way is how you become a dateless love-shy neckbeard

>>734441692
I think you're referring to Hawking Radiation? It's the cause behind blackholes losing mass over time, despite their gravitational influence being too strong for conventional radiation to occur. In essence the quark-gluon field causes pairs of particles to pop in and out of existence, both having opposite charges they interact with nothing else and collide, annihilating each other in the process. On the cusp of the event horizon of a blackhole, the gravitational influence is strong enough to interrupt these pairings, resulting in accumulating (anti?) particles. Or something like that.

>>734442400
Not talking about Christianity, its not wise to name your god.

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>>734442400

Picture God like someone who is playing the sims but like 20billion sims.....

>>734442500
>>734442530
>>734442616
At least the Bible straight up says God has always existed, science wants to explain what started it all but can't

>>734442633
Free will m8

>>734442766
at least I said I'm not a virgin.

>>734442766
The Bible also says that there was a global flood and other things that are wrong.

>>734442786
Evil was created by god. God created angles, angles turned on him and now try to influence man. God created evil but somehow doesn't have the power to stop it

Abrahamic religions are a little bit stupid, all their lore is absurd.

However, when I look at the beauty of the sun, I always think not only luck was involved.

>>734442870
didn't the flood actually happen tho?

All I remember from taking physics was noticing how fucking bad people are at driving.

>>734443038
No.

>>734443038
>I watch history channel, the post.

>>734439605

>God put it here

Describe the mechanism by which God put it here.
How did God create energy/matter?
If you can't answer that you haven't explained anything, you've only substituted God's magical powers in place of a real explanation.

>>734442766
The bible also allows daughters to drug and fuck their fathers. Along with aborting children with bitter water in Numbers. Also the whole shellfish and mixed fabric being a sin but slavery isn't.

>>734443133
That would require guess work. I'm not into that.

>>734443002
He does have the power but wants people to turn to him and believe in him. It's hard to be faithful in something you can't see, hence the reward for fulfilling this. Why should doubters be protected from evil? That's what the end times are for; the righteous suffer but the true believers are saved

>>734443102
Channel names have gotten really wrong.
MTV shows Jersey Shore.
History channel shows Ancient Aliens.
Sci-fi channel shows WWE.
I could go on.

If E=MC2(squared) and energy is matter, and god can neither be created nor destroyed....where did god come from? If there is no Ubergod (Uber creation force) then how did god come into existence?

>>734443327
"The History Channel, where the truth is history." - south park

>>734439605
I practise Buddhism, the philosophy not the religious side but I still am connected to abrahamic god, I am firm believer in what you do in this life effects the next (heaven and hell)

I believe the big bang was created by god and the rest took care of itself i.e. GOD Particle

>>734443323
So he has the power and the knowledge but chooses not to help his own creations and punish them with doubt and uncertainty. He just demands your love and acceptance to get into heaven or you burn for eternity in a place of his own creation, Hell. Some god you have there. The bible also says that god created the world for the kingdom of man correct? Well that sure is strange that 90% of what is on our planet is harmful to humans. But he's a good God because life doesn't need to take another life to survive throughout the day right?

>>734443416
You are being small minded. The creator isn't from here. The creator is from another dimension.

>>734443685
>I am firm believer in what you do in this life effects the next (heaven and hell)
Why?
>I believe the big bang was created by god
Why?

>>734443283

Then your assertion "God put it here" is meaningless.

For a long time people thought lighting strikes, earthquakes, and other natural phenomena were direct evidence of God's existence because they didn't know how those things actually worked. You're making the same arrogant argument that has already failed thousands of times throughout history -- that since we don't know how something happened, it must mean God did it.

>>734443685
>GOD Particle
If you're referring to the Higgs Boson, go read a fucking book. Otherwise, tell me more.

>>734443756
Using vague wording like "from another dimension" doesn't help your case.

It isn't small minded to not swallow bullshit.

>>734439605

if there was a god, then what matter or energy is god composed of? How did God come into existence.

a god doesn't answer any questions scientifically, he just raises more.

>>734442400
What put the beginning and the end there?

>>734439605
Compromise: God made the big bang.

>>734440141

matter isn't destroyed, it's converted.

Matter is just energy condensed into a slow oscillation.

>>734440328

God is a cuck

>>734442400
I am He-Man defender of Eternia. Now where's Skeletor at?

>>734443323

Yet he created people and knows the future so he already knows who is going to turn to him because he created them to do so. So if he creates someone that will turn to evil, he's basically created a soul for no other reason but to damn it to eternal hell.

What's the point?

>>734444049
yes, matter is destroyed. nothing matters anymore, dude. the world went to shit.

It seems you guys want me to have all the answers. I don't have them. All I know is that if matter (energy) cannot be created or destroyed in our universe, it had to come from somewhere. It had to be placed here. Whatever put it her, is our God.

>>734444397
except that matter can actually be created and destroyed.

>>734444397
Obviously the all father Odin...

>>734444397
>it had to come from somewhere. It had to be placed here.
Says who?
>Whatever put it her, is our God.
Why call it God?

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>>734442400
NO I A; ALPHA AND OMEGA!
how i fucked your mums corpse Chapter 4:23

>>734440526
But he's referring to before the big bang, which science cant explain, making it free game for anyone to guess wildly.

It can be god. It can be a simulation "seed" starting up. It can be a dimensional tear from a higher dimension. It can be a white hole. It can be whatever the fuck you wanna dream up.

Ultimately it dosent matter. As it cant be proven/disproved with current tech.

>>734444521
No. It can only be transformed.

>>734439605
Who put God there?

I'm cringing at this thread. Bunch of faggots who took physics in high school and think they know shit.

Sorry to say it, but you're not only graded on a curve AFTER high school, you fucking idiot, but if you're in the USA your education is dumbed down as it is. Some Japanese kid is learning calculus five years earlier than you are.

Just kill yourselves.

>>734441108
Physics version of being an internet gayboy

>>734443778
I suppose thats why its called faith dude

>>734444607
Yes. You are right. But at this point, only intelligent design makes any sense. Any kind of white hole/black hole shit only leads back to the same question.

science is the last place you are going to find a proof for god. Hell even in modern phillosophy there is no solid argument for god.

>>734441181
You are so wrong it's kektacular

>>734444672
yes it can be created, how did it all get here? if you think the existence of god is more likely than us being wrong that matter can't be created or destroyed then you probably wish to live in a fantasy world of illusion.

>>734439605
It came from outside our universe. The math behind the theory has already been made. Its in the peer review process now.

>>734444521
Nopes. It transforms.....

>>734441622
>boltzman brain

>>734444867
>doesnt know about clapton.

>>734444961
and it can be created and destroyed.

>>734443852
not the theorised god particle in the literal sense, more like the big bang/single particle that started it all

>>734441181
lmao what the fuck are you saying do you even read what you write and shitpost?

>>734444922
Can you point me in the right direction?

>>734442490
If you are beyond the 3rd dimension you are not affected by time, you have always been, you will always be.

Beyond the 4th (time) you start entering different realities, up until the 10th consists of everything possible and imaginable.

>>734445016
The singularity wasn't a single particle, it was an extremely extremely dense pack of mass and energy all occupying the same position.

>>734444973
Eric Clapton is God Therefore, God exists.

>>734440278
You are falling for the illusion of time. Time is not independent of space. They are the same thing. Only in a universe that exists INSIDE of space-time would it make sense to even contemplate the before/during/after states of that universe. It just IS... so it makes no sense to think of it's "beginning" since that wold be a side effect of the time it creates through space-time.

>>734444853
Intelligent design is indeed the most logical conclusion. Be it a simulation or higher dimensional beings.

>>734444914
How is the theory of god more fantastical than other scientific theories.

Life began when a pool of amino acids got struck by lighting and created the first single celled organism that spontaneously gave birth to others and eventual evolved into man? Come on, that's just as crazy

>>734445268
im a polytheist. I also believe in Rob Halford.

>>734445345
Some say Rob Halford is only a high priest known as judas and provides a Gene simons off death

>>734444192
Nothing is set in stone, people can decide their own fate

>>734439605
>He doesn't know that energy and matter are just the consequences of random disruptions in nothing caused by quantum tunnelling that develop mass and interact due to the laws of the fundamental forces.

Sorry I forgot where I am. Hurr durr on the first day god split the dark and the light and while there was still nothing you could see it way better.

Pretty sure that by "God", OP means a biblical god, which is ridiculous. If by "God" OP means, intelligent entity that led to the creation of this particular universe, then it's at least possible... but then you have to deal with that "gods" universe and it's origin. You always come back to something which could not have been "created"... so problem cannot be solved. Things just exist. Why or how exactly we don't know yet. But using God as an explanation is just as shortsighted as using toothed-vaginas as an explanation for menstruation

so wath is god? is he omnipotent omniscient omnipresent? or none of the above

Matter or energy are not conserved, at least not in the traditional sense, but matter AND energy is. The equation states that they are two states of the same stuff. For example, if matter and antimatter collide, the annialate, and become gamma rays, which are just energy.

>>734445275
In the beginning....of our universe.
Our universe is governed by time.
The 4th dimension is time.
The creator would exist in an even higher dimension. Right?

>>734445617
he's the god of metal, shut the fuck up you massive fucking retarded cuck faggot heathen who doesnt know anything.

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>>734439605
Because math:

How can something come from nothing?

0 = 1 + (-1)

This is how.

>>734445732
I am not even considering a "biblical" god.
I have specifically stated that naming your god is stupid, meaning, no books written by man can be correct.

>>734439605
The easy explanation is "God put it here" but there's a scientific explanation for it too.

As entropy begins to consume the universe and energies devolve into the subquanta and quanta, the lack of anything begins to act similarly to the abundance of everything. All quantum energies condense back into a single point and the big bang happens where energy is stored to a single point- where all entropy eventually leads (basically a single point that's stretched out to be infinite).

So the universe starts itself. That's why I recognize God as being the universe itself, as the only thing possibly capable of observing the entire universe and being omnipotent is the universe itself. Sad and undaunting beast, it is.

After all, God is a solipsist. But anyway, life and time repeats itself in this cycle over and over again. We've probably lived our lives an infinite amount of times... and some of us do, but most of us don't, have the ability to avert our fates and may choose different pathways in life. Most people, however, are generally picked in order to fulfill a very humble role in the universe, which is one of the chief points of almost all Light filled religions.

(-1)+1=0

>>734441181
>>734444878
I hope he is trolling.

>>734445903
sorry Hephaestus is the god of metal. plz stay on topic faggit

>>734445781
I do not think the creator cares the least little bit about us. Hell, we could just be a cancer that is destroying his beautiful art. But...im guessing now. That is my opinion though.

>>734439605
but then what created God? If you can accept god can create himself why cant the universe?

>>734444853
99% of the universe is inhospitable for man but that's intelligent design?

Volleybal+School+?=rood haar (?)

>>734446240
Yes. We are special. Or at least, among the most special in the universe.

>>734445894
In the Einstein view (which has always held up so far) time is not a 4th dimension per se. It is a side-effect of gravity upon space. That why it is warped by being close to something massive or going really fast. Even space seems relative. If you travel near the speed of light, the distance you are covering shortens as well as time. All would look normal on your spaceship but everything around you would be elongated and seem to be going very slowly. If we could know what is beyond a black hole we'd probably have the answers but we can't. When matter reach the very edge of the black hole, it approaches the speed of light so it's time relative to our basically stops. The thing going in would seem to just go right in from it's perspective but to us that time has stopped. It is likely that a black hole does something fantastic right as it is created but to us, we will never see what because time has stopped in the black hole relative to us.

>>734445918
But where'd the 1 and the (-1) come from?
What are they?

If 1 is the universe. Dosent that mean "Nothing is the universe (removed)"

>>734445997
>omnipotent
Could God create a stone so heavy that even He could not lift it?

>>734446222
We have gone over this again and again. God would exist on a plane without time. Never starting;never ending.

>>734446472
Who's the say this is not true for the higher universe?

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>>734446420
What is antimatter?

>>734444853
>>734445309
>>734446388
So does god... If god can be eternal so can the universe which would hold no place for god then. It always comes back to who created it but that leaves a wide open gap for who created god.

>>734446651
How is antimatter created?

>>734446721
From what I understand, and I might be wrong

This universe isn't eternal. It is decaying.

>>734439605
it came from outside of our universe, be it a previous universe or another one that coexists with ours. The creation force of our universe is the big bang, which emitted shitloads of energy particles which decayed into matter particles. If we go by your definition of god and the idea that a previous universe existed and reached a 0-energy state and over time it collapsed into itself by attractive forces, your god is gravity.

>>734446721
Ultimately, in the 10th dimension, no one created god, god never existed, god existed and was created all at the same time.

>>734446388
>99% of earth can kill you
>We are special right guys?
No that would mean we used our environment to make it work. That can't be intelligent design because that other 1% either becomes food for us or eats us. Life takes life to survive. Such a good and just god.

>>734446472
But our very universe itself exists without time. Time is a feature created within the universe and is in no way steady from one place to another. When scientists talk about what the universe looked like 1 second after the big bang, they are using time references to help us understand. The time experienced in the universe at that moment would not be exactly like it is here and now for us, in this particluar part of the universe, going the speed were going, near the mass of objects we are near.

>>734446135
so we dont know what created matter and you call the unknown god. why would we even believe in an unknown entity that has left us if not for historical tales? is it so important to know the unknown that you have to name it?

>>734446852
No, matter in our universe is decaying, the universe itself is not.

>>734446943
Its important to fully understand the creator, so that we can fully know ourselves. Now, this is dumb because we probably will never know the creator, at least not in our lifetimes, and so we will never know ourselves.

>>734446894
That makes no sense as a creation must have a creator and if he was created, something else must be at play.

Shit bait but I'll bite.

Sure, some primordial thingy is a logical necessity, but it doesn't prove a conciouss sapient entity, or that any of the world's religions are right. Also, just concluding that something had to cause everything just shifts the question to what caused the cause, and the cause of the causal cause etc. ad infinitum.

Yeah and gtfo if you are talking about theoretical physics without a degree.

This thread is done kthxbye

Pro tip
NOTHING MAKES SENSE, THE EXISTENCE OF GOD CANNOT BE PROVEN OR DISPROVEN.
ACCEPT IT

>>734446989
"Decay" might not be the right term. Once the last start burns out, the universe will be primarily iron, which is not exothermic upon nuclear excitement. So matter is not decaying as much as it is taking a long journey towards transmutation into iron.

>>734446768
energy particle decay creates pairs of particles and anti-particles, it just so happens in our universe more particles survived annihilation.

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>>734446768

Quantum fluctuations.


Also:

https://home.cern/topics/antimatter
Also pic related.

>>734447121
How arrogant you are to think you answered anything with that post. I don't think you've been keeping up with the conversation. But, thanks for playing...i guess.

>>734447174
So your original point held no meaning

>>734446127
lol wow you are a major fucking retard that doesnt know anything.

>>734447121
Exactly, reality doesn't always adhere to logic or math. It does what it does regardless if math can present "impossibilities". This is easily shown by Zeno's Paradoxes. This also shows that the universe is most likely granular and not mathematically continuous.

>>734439696
Trump

>>734447174
But the universe dosent go away, it just becomes a shit place

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>>734446989
This is the best way I have heard this phrased.

Question:
Do you think that there is matter outside of or observable universe bubble?

>>734447164
It would first have to be proven to be disproven

>>734447323
how so?

>>734447109
I don't agree. Things outside of our dimension get really strange. A creator could always have been and always will be.

>>734442400
>Hurr durr things can't just appear from nothing so gos must be real to create it.
>Uh, god? Yeah he just came from nothing, there was nothing at all before him. That's just how it is.

>>734447302
Not an argument

>>734447444
We don't know that. Because the galaxies are accelerating away from each other, we know there is an unknown force causing pressure in the universe. There is reason to think that the ultimate fate of the universe is to recollapse on itself which will probably cause another bang.

>>734447473
Well if the universe is "decaying" then there would only be the blackness that is the void of space left over. Matter doesn't fully decay but changes. This has happened over and over again through the universe. Suns explode and create more stars out of the matter that is in existance. So there really is no end to the universe and that would mean there was no beginning. This would mean the universe is eternal instead of god as it already existed

>>734439605
It came from somewhere else, you fucking imbecile.

>>734447527
>Stuff gets strange so god
Way to prove me wrong. This is what science is for

>>734447708
Basically, and it should be remembered that thinking of space in terms of strict 3-d dimensions might not be right. It could be a structure that is infinite but yet finite also; just as you can wander the earth infinitely yet the earth is finite. It could be that at some point when things spread so far "out" that they actually all run back into each other at a single point.

>>734447264
. Nine of these atoms were produced in collisions between antiprotons and xenon atoms over a period of 3 weeks.

ENERGY. so no. antimatter is not your answer

>>734447464
you know what I mean you fucking genius

>>734447749
Yes, it did. The universe was nothing, with no space for matter. Something crated both the space for matter to exist and the matter to fill it with.

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>>734439696

>>734439696
Nothing. God exists outside of time and space and is therefore not matter.

>>734447852
You are only talking about limitations which the universe has yet to be found. So more of an assumption than anything actually factual

>>734447097
i dont follow where you have to know a creator to know yourselve. if the creator of matter is god or not it wont impact you or youre morality. If there is a god it only exists in peoples minds and some call it god and some call it morality

>>734447341
Eather him or METAllica

>>734448077
If we know the creator and his intentions, then we can know our purpose, roll, and function in the universe. We can end false gods, we can unite with a single understanding of what man is.

>>734447463
Yes.

But I do wonder what our universe bubble is, and how/why it formed.

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>>734447879

What?

Of course its energy?

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Also, there are a bunch of dubs and trips going unchecked.

>>734448252
just google "metal god" if youre this oblivious to reality.

>>734448388
checked

>>734448388
Is this a roll thread? No, so checking is shit posting to the max

>>734448480
That was fun. Love it when shit like that happens.

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>>734448358
>Yes.

Okay

>But I do wonder what our universe bubble is, and how/why it formed.

This confused me.
I am under the idea that "the observable universe" is just that. The "observable" part of the (entire) universe is just the portion that we can see.

(i.e. Those portions of the universe where 1) light has been able to reach us and 2) we have existed long enough to observe.)


Fundamentally there is a limit on how much of the universe one human being can "observe" during their lifetime.

>>734448255
So no biblical god or anything like in the books but only a god that created matter? if we met him and his intentions are for mankind to be destroyed would you be an Hero?

>>734448379
So its not nothing?!

When antimatter reks matter, it creates energy, which is not NOTHING.

Sure you can create 0 = 1 + (-1), but ultimately you have CREATED it.

YOU just made something out of nothing. So intelligent design

>>734448900
Checked.

If his intentions are for us to destroy his creation, I think he will be pleased with our progress so far.

>>734448043
Cop-out

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>>734448888
Quints checked

>>734439696
It's turtles all the way down

>>734439605
God doesn't exist. A black hole imploded which created our universe.

>>734449027
that was not the question... Would you do it?

>>734442766
Nothing about the big bang theory states that there was nothing in the beginning.

>>734448888
We can see basically all the way back to the big bang, where everything in our "bubble" is.

Whether or not our bubble is an imaginary one centered around the location of the big bang, or a physical one expanding like a balloon is an interesting thought.


Aka, put a balloon between the moon/earth and expand it, that's one theory.

Then explode something between the moon/earth. The outer edge of the particles blasting away is our "bubble". That's one theory

(specially when you consider the earth/moon's gravity affecting the exploded materials making them accelerate instead of slowing down)

>>734449369
I don't know how I could, but yes. I would fulfill my purpose

>>734449369
Not the anon you are talking to but that is an interesting question. God is certainly ok with ending life. I mean it takes a life a day to feed another

>>734449653
My bad

>>734449620
that just blew my mind. and probably a lot of ISIS members

>>734448989

>When antimatter reks matter, it creates energy, which is not NOTHING.

It doesn't create energy the energy is already there.... in the particles.... as mass.

When they combine they release the energy.

Now, what do we know (experimentally) about mass and energy. (i.e. mass is just another form of energy)

Energy cannot be created or destroyed.


When matter and anti-matter annihilate they RELEASE energy, but where does this energy go? It goes to the surrounding matter that is not being annihilated. (Since this matter is gaining energy it will increase in mass)
>Sure you can create 0 = 1 + (-1), but ultimately you have CREATED it.

>YOU just made something out of nothing. So intelligent design

What?

It is a mathematical fact that if you have two objects and one of those object disappears then you are left with one object remaining.

[ ] + [ ] - [ ] = [ ]

I'm confused as to what your point is.

>>734439605
Under certain undefined circumstances energy obviously can become matter and even spacetime i guess since this is kinda what ppl call the big bang isnt it?

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>>734449518
I like you, you are a smart (man?).

>>734439605
matter has always been here, it was never created for it has always been

>>734449620
and that purpose being ending human race.... you would not start to question why? Man i hope you never come across a priest with bad intentions

>>734440328
Underrated post

>>734450406
My point is that you created it. You created the formula, you created the surplus.

I fell off the point on the antimatter part, as I miss remembered what your initial comment was

>>734450663
Fuck me that picture is the most majestic thing i've seen in a while.

>>734450841
You said "if god asked." Not a priest

>>734447539
More believable than 2 flying dots that hit each other and boom, things

>>734451011
I think you might be thinking too one dimensional.

Q:
Why does temperature remain constant when you boil a sample of water?

A:
You have to input energy to overcome the heat of vaporization to turn liquid water into a gas.


The water is changing phases. (from liquid to a gas)

Try thinking of energy/mass as two flavors of the same thing, much like solid ice and liquid water are two versions of the same thing.

Ice shares some properties with liquid water but it also has properties that make it distinctly different from liquid water at the same time (we gave solid and liquid water different names after all)

In the same vein energy and mass are different forms of the same thing
The relationship between energy and mass, simply is.

Why is their vacuum energy?

Thought this was a Jennifer Aniston thread. Thoroughly disappointed.