I'd you were to go back in time and kill your grandfather before he met your grandmother, you would never exist so you would never be alive to go back and kill him, so both of you would still be alive only to go back In time and kill him again.
>>734414278 >implying there is only one universe with a linear timeline >implying there is no infinite amount of universes in which everything possible to happen happens >implying the moment you killed your grandfather didnt happen in a reality where he was supposed to die at this point while your travel started in a reality where he obviously didnt get killed by you before Not really a paradox anymore if you consider multiverse-theory.
>>734414533 How do you reconcile it with exponential technological development?
From zero to neolithic took billions of years. From tens of thousands and nomadic living to modern society in about 40.000. Then from the ground to Mars in 100.
Meanwhile stellar cycles narrow down by the billion years. It is very likely that we will go outside our star system within the next millennium, probably sooner than later. And by that time the galaxy as a whole should have had a taste of our radiowaves.
There are some developments we can reasonably expect for basic physical reasons, and there are some known challenges as we develop but there might be some high risk barriers dead ahead.
>>734414533 >>734414829 I.e. given the sample pool life should develop elsewhere, and the question isn't just where but at what point in the timeline. Then, a species might crop up billions of years in the future and be unknown obviously, but one that developed just half a billion years ago should permeate the galaxy at this point.
>>734412348 americans log into mainstream websites to discuss politics and news, only to be censured in the comments - bypassing their rights to free speech - perpetuating a cycle of american ignorance.
>>734414829 Evolution takes a while and once we developed farming we freed ours self to do more I highly doubt we will ever leave our solar system much less our local star group. Einsteins physics make traveling at the speed of light impossible
>>734415167 Not only are there some caveats to that, FTL isn't necessary either if you establish an orbital colony. Given increasingly sophisticated technology, growing industrial capacity and for all intents an infinite amount of time, this is bound to happen. The time required shrinks rapidly as this goes on and on the scale of astrophysics it is at this stage of development completely negligible.
>>734415077 your shitty americans think they have free speech, but at the corporate level where social media is handled they are censured - which perpetuates ignorance. i can't dumb it down much more for you summerfag. sorry.
>>734415465 I would never live to see it no. But descendants would. What's to stop us from spending the next 5000 years building up a massive mobile colony in space? If you think that's not feasible now, how much longer would you like to build up our capacity first? Cause we got plenty of time.
The number of syllables in the English names of finite integers tend to increase as the integers grow larger, and must gradually increase indefinitely, since only a finite number of names can be made with a given finite number of syllables. Hence the names of some integers must consist of at least nineteen syllables, and among them there must be a least. Hence "the least integer not nameable in fewer than nineteen syllables" must denote a definite integer; in fact, it denotes 111,777. But "the least integer not nameable in fewer than nineteen syllables" is itself a name consisting of eighteen syllables; hence the least integer not nameable in fewer than nineteen syllables can be named in eighteen syllables.
>>734415500 looks like projection to me, so you didn't vote? why not? i voted, for trump, i want an alliance with russia and keep the mudslimes out - all the while spitting in the face of niggers, spics and feminists. so far so good. my vote counted.
>>734415585 >Radio signals won't stay as radio signals Also I get they won't linger no, but as soon as they start broadcasting, they're going to have a sphere expanding at the speed of light within which the area is essentially permanently soaked in their broadcasts. Until their extinction. If they get to this stage, extinction should be essentially impossible given they could even escape the death of their star by migrating to another. They'd spend thousands of years in transit, but they'd still be alive and broadcasting.
If one of them developed like this before, and they had billions of years to grow, where are they?
>>734415017 Only leftist outlets censor. In fact, Leftist ideas cannot exist in the face of reason and evidence. It takes censorship, moderation, and shilling for Leftist ideas to thrive. Open forums inevitably go to the right.
>>734415940 how do you combat that peacefully? how do you involve the left in uncensored discussion and illustrate the shilling for what it is and what it causes? if the left and their media structures are jew based and retarded, did hitler really do nothing wrong?
seems hopeless. why don't americans just kill themselves?
>>734415308 Who exactly? I think you might have missunderstood something there. I'm pretty sure science guys dont know about the boundaries of the universe yet but i highly doubt the majority thinks that our universe is infinit.
>>734416152 That's the point. That could be some of those high risk barriers posed in Fermi's paradox. The point isn't that it's impossible, it operates on the assumption that life must develop elsewhere and abundantly. It's that as species develop there appear to be some cataclysmic events that cull them for as far as we've been able to observe.
>>734416166 paradox is that if it contains itself, in the set in this set there is again the same set, which cannot be true because there needs to be one set less than in the previous set, which means the statement that such a set exists leads to a contradiction.
Islam immigrants that support an ideology that directly contradicts the very values that the countries they immigrate to are founded upon. Without those values the countries would not be what they are and would surely not be willing to help poor immigrants, opposing those values means they directly disagree with the reasons they have anywhere to go.
Let it sink in, they don't agree with the ideas that are the very reasons they are given a new chance at life.
>>734416299 Take clear signal in Chinese Red shift it non-uniformaly Listen to it (from the start, middle or end, who knows when you'd start listening into their broadcast) Try to decode it in English with no book on translation
>>734416384 >possibilities/impossibilities is a 3d/timespace term, a comprehension of the 3rd dimension linear time being. the universe is only perceived with possibilities and impossibilities by that kind of being, the fact is there is more than impossibilities and possibilities, more than probabilities and improbabilities - there is more than nothing, more than everything and none as well.
>>734416571 prior to big bang if you didn't perceive time, matter forming our known universe was an impossibility because there was no history of it ever occuring, making the probability impossible (binary probability scale) but because of linear comprehension of 3d spacetime the universe becomes a possibility.
>>734414016 I like this one because its what i thought before i even heard of this theory.
>Time travel to kill Hitler to stop WWII and holocaust >Kill Hitler and alter the future >Defeat original reason for travelling back in time >Would never have needed to time travel in first place because Hitler was dead.
>>734416571 No. At least not the way i meant to use the word. There are things that simply cant happen in any reality/universe that is even remotely close to ours(shares our laws of nature) so there is no way that a comparable universe (a paralleluniverse) exists without being part of our multiverse. I mean sure somewhere sometime somehow there might be a universe that is not connected to ours... nobody can tell if other bangs happened or anything, but there is no way to proof or disproof this, not even in theory since we are not affected by it. There is definitly not a universe in our multiverse that isnt part of our multiverse since this is impossible by the laws of our multiverse.
>>734416943 >have time machine >travel back kill hitler at birth >alter future >travel back to entirely newly created future profit? i really fail to see how hard this concept is unless you're stuck on the idea that we all live on some singular timeline but once you accept that an infinite number of timelines infinitely expanding at an exponential rate are converging and protruding from our own forming a web not a unidirectional flow of time - the reality of it isn't a headache at all it's ez peasy
>>734415839 >"oh right, so how did we invent time dad?" >"was there time before we invented the measurement daddy?" literally something my 6 year old brother can ask without knowing how to make toast. youre going to leave stupid spawn anon, if you shut down their minds that fast
>>734415692 it's not specifically human though because mass alters the flow of (our measured) time. mass has been here since the beginning, and despite humans only measuring time since their beginning, time has always been influenced by mass - you can tell by chemical reactions impacted by what kind of size of mass they exist on. time is also not specific to humans, living things can perceive time, and differently as well, i like the running theory that the smaller a living entity's brain/mass the slower time is perceived.
but time is always woven into space at least when it comes to the interaction of matter causing a binary effect...all of which is maintained on a 3 dimensional timespace linear comprehension, which is only one of multiple dimensions.
>>734417704 this is why we have stars and empty space, because of timespace and the impact of gravity caused by mass...observed by humans but existed for billions of years before humans...thanks to the speed of light we can look back in time billions of years into space and measure things before humans existed - now what you'll want to ask yourself is did those realities change because we humans measured them.
>>734417391 What? Time has always existed since the universe existed. Humanity hasn't always existed, there has been sequences of events that had to occur before life was on earth (a past) and they clearly aren't happening now (like the formation of earth). But how we measure time, that is only relevant to our planet solar cycles...
>>734417391 Tell him there was, is and will never be time. Time in the way we know it only exists in human heads. As soon as you leave the live of a human on earth time will behave differently depending on yoir speed and position. So very smart scientists came to the conclusion that time and space are in fact one thing and only our human perception lets us think these are two different things. Then you show him one of these pics with another hidden pic in it cause he didnt understand a word and tell him things are not always the way they appear to be at first. Seriously nobody expects a 6year old to understand this. He needs to learn foundations first. You cant explain advanced concepts like this to ppl who dont know how to multiply something yet. So the only honest answer is " you might understand when you are older" although most adult ppl still have no fucking clue about basic things like that.
>>734417828 >>734417704 because observing light itself actually alters its properties changing it from a particle to a wave, and since everything we perceive is basically reflection of light, we can't even say the reality we know today is what it is - simply because we observed it - it has changed or has it not? how do you measure what you cannot observe and how can you observe what you cannot measure?
>>734417939 so my paradox is this light is a particle until perceived then becomes a wave time is proportionately influenced by mass of matter time is perceived by reflection of light, observed as a wave, but exists as a particle observing nature alters time and reality
>>734415084 The modern theory is that the big bang was a black hole in a larger universe, and that everything we experience is the matter still trapped within that black hole. How's that for a mindfuck?
>>734418428 it's not stupid, it's the easiest to grasp, and the most natural for the brain to comprehend, but there are other concepts that fit the same pieces and apply the same rules resulting in a working reality as well that require just a little bit more thought and some of them fit even better than single timeline.
>>734418519 yeah, that would explain why gravity is actually not as strong of a force as it should be, i can't remember the math but i've seen it done and mass/gravity equates to like 20% of the force it should be - resulting in the possibility this isn't the first time this happened either, possibly the 5th. i too like this theory because it explains the dark matter expansion
>>734415793 Only one problem. We always assume that these "ark" ships containing entire civilizations would actually survive thousands of years of space travel. Considering the average car or even satellite can barely survive a few decades, it would seem conceivable that the vast majority of interplanetary space craft that are sub speed of light would wreck part way to the next star and the race would be dead on arrival. Super sad for hopes of colonization
>>734417878 how we measure time is exclusive to us so are you saying the humans pre-invented time before our existence to the point of the big bang? was there time before the big bang? if there wasnt then how did the big bang start? the word start itself is a measurment of time? how can you time, time? there is the paradox
you don't have the right to free speech on a website that you don't own you stupid fuck. you don't even have the right to free speech on 4chan, you can be banned and peoples' posts are deleted regularly throughout the day.
you goddamn morons have no clue what free speech is. here's a clue, go outside you fucking idiot.
>>734419204 you don't know how to read. re read his post and try again you dumb fuck - we already established this. the point wasn't "you deserve free speech on private websites" the point was people think they have free speech everywhere, yet private websites censure causing a perpetuating ignorance with americans.
seriously where the fuck do you get these retard educations gois?
>>734416943 Television really fucked peoples perception of time. The fact that our universe currently exists the way it does is because either you were already successful or not successful at whatever attempt you made to alter it. I.E. if you go back in time to kill hitler, you will fail because hitler survived, or you would have killed him right when he supposedly committed suicide anyway, thus still not altering the timeline. Tl;dr, even if time travel is eventually possible we won't be able to change anything because linear reality.
>>734419123 but then you have to deal with the most childish of retorts i have conjured > prove it you cant prove anything prove to me distance? what is time to the dead or unborn? when im dead i wont have anything and all knoweledge i accumulated is null . i sound like a person who has given up and thats because i have. nothing matters before and after so why cry about the middle? the human life can be compared to the universe in that way also btw baked as fuck and feeling them feels but ive had these thoughts restrict my sleep for years
>>734419610 You being wrong isn't me misunderstanding a damn thing. "bypassing their rights to free speech" isn't a paradox. How about you UNDERSTAND what you're saying before getting pissy that everybody is calling you out on your bullshit not-paradox
>>734419681 that's like saying "all of einstein is wrong because my computer is grey"
i mean if you want to use crayons to have an adult discussion go ahead, but it just makes you look retarded. just admit your brain can't comprehend these concepts because you did zero research or put zero thought into it.
time travel is impossible. first, there is no time to travel upon. biggest issue, earth is traveling around the sun, the sun around our galaxy, the galaxy around the universe. there is no possible way to know exactly where to travel to even in the past blink of an eye. everything is moving and impossible to document.
>>734420303 i found the jew shill. admit it you're not only not american but pretending to be one, and the only reason you stand up for jews is because your mom fell for the jew doctor and got your dick snipped and now you're committed for life for defending isreal.
kek if i had a dollar for every time i saw someone like you i myself would be a jew.
>>734420250 It's true that when you traveled back in time, you would need to travel in space as well, necessitating Very fast (probably faster than light) travel speeds to then reach the altered location of our planet in the vacuum we call space. And considering The incredible speed that the earth, sun, galaxy, and even space itself are moving, hitting the earth would be incredibly unlikely. However, even if we did reach a level of super intelligence where we could actually manage to get there, we still couldn't change anything.
>>734414829 Intelligent civilizations are self limiting.
From the time radio develops until the species stops broadcasting due to extinction is less than a few hundred years. The likelihood that another species (us) advanced enough to detect those signals will exist at the right time and distance is too small.
>>734427204 For those who don't know: autological means that the adjective describes itself, like "english" and "unhyphenated". Heterological means it doesn't describe itself, like "long" and "spanish".
>>734426510 just give him a break already, hes doing a good job dumbass, just because he has said mean thinks dont mean hes gona be a bad president or a bad person, im sick of haters like you and just so u know i didnt vote for him but after seeing how good he is after he took presidency i began to like him alot, i live in texas and im glad we got that new wall, i never thought i would actually see a president do something that matters >pic related what liberals want
women like to fuck, men like to fuck, women feel guilty after they fuck because they liked it. emperical evidence shows that no one has to know the woman fucked, not even the guy, but she feels shame without anyone to shame her PARADOX
>>734418914 A judge tells a condemned prisoner that he will be hanged at noon on one weekday in the following week but that the execution will be a surprise to the prisoner. He will not know the day of the hanging until the executioner knocks on his cell door at noon that day.
Having reflected on his sentence, the prisoner draws the conclusion that he will escape from the hanging. His reasoning is in several parts. He begins by concluding that the "surprise hanging" can't be on Friday, as if he hasn't been hanged by Thursday, there is only one day left - and so it won't be a surprise if he's hanged on Friday. Since the judge's sentence stipulated that the hanging would be a surprise to him, he concludes it cannot occur on Friday.
He then reasons that the surprise hanging cannot be on Thursday either, because Friday has already been eliminated and if he hasn't been hanged by Wednesday noon, the hanging must occur on Thursday, making a Thursday hanging not a surprise either. By similar reasoning he concludes that the hanging can also not occur on Wednesday, Tuesday or Monday. Joyfully he retires to his cell confident that the hanging will not occur at all.
The next week, the executioner knocks on the prisoner's door at noon on Wednesday — which, despite all the above, was an utter surprise to him. Everything the judge said came true.
Theres a paradox about a lawyer that takes on a student, teaching him law. Once the student finished studying with the lawyer, the lawyer does the student a favour and says he must only pay him for his teachings after he has won his first case. The student later decides that he no longer wants to become a lawyer, so he will never win a case, and never have to pay The lawyer then sues him, telling the court that, if he wins the motion, the student must pay because he won the lawsuit, but if he loses, then the student will have won his first case, and no longer need to pay.
However, the student then argues to the court that if he loses, he wouldn't have to pay, as the lawyer said he shall only pay when he wins his first case, but if he wins the lawsuit, he will not get sued and therefore doesn't have to pay.
>>734415084 imagine this, it's a cycle that is endless, always repeats, creating multiple infinite and uncountable amount of universi, and dimensions, This big bang is still expanding, one day it'll start retracting, until there is nothing, for a split atomsecond, since nothing doesen't really exist, this becomes a paradox, and one way or the other paradoxes cannot happen, The Big bang then simply happens again, like a heartbeat. But never will it stop.
>>734416943 >Ability to travel back in time >Kill Hitler >return to present >timeline changed for the worst >travel back and alter past to make future better >'future' keeps getting worse >only way to preserve 'best' future is to allow Hitler to live
>>734433305 more like "go back in time to kill Hitler, get delayed long enough that by the time you kill Hitler he is currently committing suicide. change absolutely nothing then return to the present." If you had successfully killed Hitler, he would have already been dead, hence no holocaust or 1000 year Reich attempt, hence you killed someone that never achieved anything and there was no purpose in killing him.
>>734433510 Making the assumption that time travel is possible, you'd have to ask the question and ask why we live in an existence that has such horrors in its past and the only logical conclusion would be that they are the 'justifiable' evil that must be tolerated for the great good to prevail
>>734436851 it could also just be unchangeable. Why try to argue an outcome reliant on things like human choice from the future intentionally allowing horrible travesties to occur? Occam's Razor. Unless you have specific evidence to indicate otherwise, assume the simplest outcome is correct. The simplest outcome that results in an imperfect world is that we are incapable of changing it retroactively. Meaning that even if time travel is possible, we probably can't manipulate time at any point on a human timeline.
>>734414290 >>734415797 Of the statement is categorically false. A rock too heavy for a god to pick up, a god who can pick up any weight, would have to infinite in size. A rock is however a finite object. The question is almost like can a god construct a square circle?
>>734438550 but that's not time travel, that's multi-dimensional travel. Totally different. It's the difference between altering our own reality and Physically jumping from one reality into another. Too many people confuse these as being the same thing. Time travel has enough difficulty to be achieved on it's own. Jumping to entirely new universes is not only a separate issue but probably infinitely more complex to achieve.
If you went to kill your grand father before your dad was born then your grandfather couldn't have your dad which in turn couldn't birth you so you couldn't go back to kill your grand father in turn your grand father could birth your father and birth you so you could go and kill your grand father
>>734438670 this is my favorite one because if the set containing all sets contained itself as a set. it would infinitely be collecting itself as a new point of reference for having collected itself as a set easily understood infinity
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