>>734270470 if you're just planting content, and the forensics guys dont see any evidence of it being obtained? if it seems to just be a single dump of stuff rather than over an extended time? yeah, they'll consider his claim of 'thats not mine somebody must have planted it'
and then they go and check who might have had physical access to the machine to do that, and they go and confiscate their computers, and you get fucked over because you didn't santize the computer you used to get the data properly.
>>734270871 I'm not too worried about my own opsec, it's more how to accomplish making it look legit. If it was planted over a period of time and if there was some other evidence like say a thumb drive of incriminating files with their fingerprint, would that make a strong case against them?
>>734271238 they look at the files, and they look at how they got there. if you can make it look like once a day he breaks open some torbrowser and goes and saves a bunch of shit? yeah, thats believable.
if you're just booting to a linux livecd and copying a few files over each day, or have him RATed and copy shit over steadily? that'll throw up a whole bunch of flags and likely get him out of it.
you'll fuck up the guys reputation either way, but most police depts have some good forensics guys. they know what the normal pattern looks like and deviating from that will get their attention.
>>734271688 So lets say that one way or another, a tor browser installation got installed somewhere, perhaps along with an encryption program, and some files were downloaded by that computer through it over a period of time. Is that the sort of thing that would seem legit?
>>734272085 sounds fairly good. make sure the app is actually launched occasionally, and make you don't fuck up any timestamps (why is the modified date on this illegal material from before the tor browser was first installed?) and you'll probably do ok. make it over a fairly extended period.
There's always ways they could figure it out but by that point it's looking pretty legit.
>>734272928 anonymous tip wont mean they smash his door down but might mean they look a bit closer.
make it look like he accidentally exposed himself rather than you exposing him. if you can get somebody else to do the tip-off after the stumble across it, thats ideal. if he accidentally leaves a hidden folder on a thumbdrive that somebody uses, or somebody uses his phone and notices some worrying shit, something like that.
If you can rig it so that it happens at work, even better. company is obligated to report it to police, they go and confiscate his home computer, they find all the evidence.
>>734273317 My initial thought was trying to force it to be taken in to repair and bribe a worker to look a certain place but that sounds unreliable at best. Just spitballing, but what if material was put on their phone and it was seen to that some was sent to another party "by accident"?
>>734273630 >trying to force it to be taken in to repair that works, I've seen people get busted that way before. Have to be able to rely on the repair guys to actually find it though, the kind who goes browsing for files is also the kind who might 'overlook' them because he doesn't want anyone to know he browses.
>bribe a worker to look a certain place but that sounds unreliable at best yeah pretty unreliable, and the worker would probably become part of the investigation as a result. not many people willing to do that.
>was put on their phone and it was seen to that some was sent to another party "by accident"? plausible. if you can legitimately make it look like he sent it, sure. if it's something weird like just sending a picture to his boss? nah
>>734274275 Would putting it in an obvious place at the last minute at the risk of covertness in order to make it more likely to be discovered throw up too many red flags? Assuming the rest of the forensics appeared legit, of course.
>>734274275 Or, what if an anonymous tip claiming to be a tech repairman working on it said they discovered something on the computer? Story wouldn't get backed up but could be written off as someone uncomfortable with getting publicly involved for obvious reasons
>>734275106 anonymous tips are an alright fall back, but if you're doing that you might as well just say its on his computer. The police follow up on anonymous tips, but its way more valuable to have somebody who'll stand behind their story.
Basically, an anonymous tip they consider 'is this planted' as a more serious option. But if everything else checks out, he'll still get fucked over.
>>734276087 remote access is pretty hard to hide all the evidence of what you've done, makes it more likely he can get off. If you can't access the phone, you cant access the phone. take it out of the equation.
if you cant find a way for somebody to 'accidentally' stumble across it (does anybody else use that computer? or network?), an anonymous tip is better than nothing. if you've set it up so it looks legitimate enough it'll still fuck him over.
>>734276493 Hmm it sounds like an anonymous tip may unfortunately be the most reliable method considering the circumstances. It would be a gamble as although the device is shared, I'm not sure of the likelihood of it being discovered by someone other than the primary user.
>>734276864 > the device is shared, I'm not sure of the likelihood of it being discovered by someone other than the primary user. thats fine. keep shit on the down low while you build up the 'evidence' over a few months, then he gets sloppy. saves a few files to a shared library rather than his hidden folders. everybody makes mistakes right?
>>734277779 yep, perfect. everybody slips up sometimes, as long as there is sufficient shit existing as evidence, people wont look into it that hard.
the thing to be careful about there is that all those services record the upload times. If he can say 'but I was at the office then' or 'I was out of town' at the time the files went up and back that up, you might have problems.
>>734278936 the timing is critical because it provides him with a defence. if his lawyer can say 'the act of uploading evidence occurred at a time when camera footage clearly indicates he was 20 miles away eating a burger', that provides doubt. There are ways to put a file in and have it uploaded later (knock the computer offline, add to folder, next time computer boots up file is uploaded) but I'm not sure what the app records for that, its possible it'll leave a trail.
>>734279217 you want everything to come from their IP, not a close one.
>>734270215 curious, why would you want to mess someone's life up like that though? they must have done something pretty horrible for you to want to do this. What is the reasoning behind wanting to do this?
>>734280338 >having it automatically be uploaded is the most reliable way. It seems like that would be pretty straightforward. yeah but you never know what the apps record. the dropbox/google drive client will push the file up automatically and you can control that, but it probably also records when the file was originally dropped in the folder.
also just to clarify about the 'similar ip'. if it's on the same public ip but just a different device on the lan, you can probably get away with that not being noticed. You can chuck a little device in there you control, do the uploading, and then grab it before anybody comes to arrest him. make sure router logs are wiped.
>>734280788 Ok fair enough, if you can justify it. Just make sure you properly assess your motives. - they'd have to have done something REALLY abhorent for you to justify doing such.
I had a falling out with someone which resulted in false accusations, loss of my job, defamation, loss of income, made my life a living hell for months on end, almost ended up homeless at one point. all because I called them out publicly on something shit they did - and they didnt like being called out and hearing the truth.
Although I hated and may have wanted to wreck this persons life, i realised it wouldn't have made things right, it would just make me as bad, if not worse than them. Don't be a shit person, and ruin someone elses life, just because they are a shit person.
Distance yourself from them, move on and walk away.
>>734281778 yeah something like that, anything that gives you a beach head. your main issue will, again, be dropbox/etc reporting that a different device had done the uploading that the forensics guys don't have, and router logs reporting a device on the network they never find.
router can be dealt with, but the dropbox logs are trickier. I'd go with a lower-tech option - if the 'device' uploads some dodgy shit to a website (chans/forums/whatever), they probably only record IP and browser. IP is legit, browser ID can be faked to match his desktop.
Jesus, anybody could get away with this. Gloves with a USB, if cameras around wear mask or hat. After done transferring files, erase all USB logs, Power-up logs. Smash USB with mallet, throw tiny pieces in river. BOOM. There you go. If you need help with passing through any accounts, just create a live USB with a persistent file that has the incriminating evidence, plug into device, go to BIOS or UEFI settings and configure boot options and cert. options, as well as permissions to allow booting from LiveUSB. Boot from live USB and use gparted to view partitions from HDD, move data from USB to HDD
>>734282634 All you have to do is make sure that everything on YOUR part is GONE. EVERYTHING. The USB, the device used for obtaining incriminating data, the clothes worn during said downloading of incriminating data, and you do not want whoever you are getting revenge on knowing that you had access to their device. EVER. Even if they found that the data came from a dump, doesn't mean the guy couldn't have picked up the data from a different device, put data on USB, and then moved data to said device.
>>734284054 I no longer condone your motives, but I have already said what I said so... If your going to go with the physical access way, just make sure any activity of the actual data transfer is gone. But I urge you to drop this quest, and seek another young anon. Girls come and go, they are not the prize. Seek for more in life my friend. Gl anon.
>>734282678 ok >>734282295 very simmilar here - but don't blame your own coping problems and wreck someone elses life un-neccesarily because of petty shit.
Story Time: Was living with a female co-worker, i was manager of the department, she was my assistant. We weren't dating, nor was I interested in her in any way outside mutual and professional friendship. Decided to move house to move closer to work. Assistant started acting extremely unprofessionally at work, and abusing her privileges around the office. Also did some pretty shit stuff during the move, like refusing to split the bill for bond cleaning, not showing up for furniture collection when I was at work, because she was still out partying from the night before. had to re-book (and re-pay) the move. I kind of let it slide, but all this had infuriated me.
After the move, and after increasing unprofessionalism around the office (not completing her tasks, inproperly completing her tasks, lots of attention to detail issues, trying to call the shots and go over my head, even though i was the department manager), i cracked, had a go at her and called her out on her shit.
Instead of being mature about it and admitting she was being unprofessional at work and had done some pretty shit stuff during our move, she got angry that I called her out publicly and decided to seek vengeance.
She falsely accused me of harassment and abuse, she made my life a living nightmare at home, she spread rumors and misinformation about me at work and to my friends, and eventually I was asked to leave.
I couldnt cope with the home situation either, it was a toxic environment full of tension and resentment. I was deeply depressed thought about suicide a few times, I even attempted once. Im glad it failed.
I was running into financial issues after losing the work, had trouble finding work and I almost ended up homeless. I finally found a place to stay. Am only now just getting work again.
Mate - my FIRST girlfriend at 17, cheated on me with 2 of my 'best' friends, broke up with me for one of them and then killed him in a car accident. I didn't try to kill myself or do shit to the chick or my 'mates' just moved the fuck on.
Fucking grow up and get on with your life... for fucks sake - these crybaby edgy kids do my fucking head in
>>734286136 regardless, if your actions are justified based around a girl, a friendship, a relationship, whatever social circumstances, your a fucking immature, insecure piece of shit for wanting to ruin someones life over it.
>>734287134 nope sorry, ends dont justify the means mate. >im gonna wreck someones entire life cuz 'muh feelings' Ive suffered a lot of 'emotional abuse' in my life, beleive me... >physically and emotionally abusive mother >in several emotionally abusive relationships >bullied and beaten all the way through high-school >several 'friends' used and abused me throughout early 20's
the best thing you can do is disassociate and distance yourself from the person/people causing it.
Poking the hornets nest will only make it worse, and could come back to wreck you.
Grow up - stop talking or associating to whoever is involved - build a bridge, get over it - and move the fuck on with your life free of toxic people.
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