Hi /b I've heard a few people say that a glock is like a

Glock

str vs dex

>>734002461
Sig master race

>>734002528
Didn't answer the question.
which is better and why.

>>734002461
1911, the glock is a plastic toy for ghetto niggers

Glock is newer and also comes in different variants (Full auto). So deffinitley Glock (Also it's Austrian which makes it a better gun on the technical side)

>>734002461
Glock wins in: reliability, cost, accuracy, capacity, ease of use and weight

1911 wins in: power

>>734002647
Op here
what do you think of the mag cap vs power in a gunfight argument?

>>734002736
Does a 1911 take more skill to use?

Glovks are a really well made and comfortable pistol to shoot, its an ugly gun but its well built.

But id get the 45 because its a design over 100 years old and still works great. Plus its badass and not ugly like Glock.

*shoots everyone in the thread with a Beretta M9*

>1911. Been designed and still in use today, since 1911.
>Uses .45 and not a 9mm.
>Colt 1911 is made out of good shit and not cheap polymer plastics that wear out.

Man up.

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>>734002461
Both are good in their own way, had a glock but sold it, have a 1911 prefer HK at the range and 1911 to carry

>>734002817
If by use you mean shoot, then probably, since 1911's typically have more recoil

>>734002931
Glocks come in .45 and 10mm lad

>>734002745
Power is most efficent in a gunfight, as long as you're not a ghetto nigger that can't aim for shit

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>>734002878
9mm is older than .45

>>734003063
Older doesn't mean better.
Vaccines > Polio

>>734003179
Dat reference doe

>>734002461
The 1911 was a good choice for a military sidearm because it was powerful and reliable and simple. The glock is the same and superior if were talking pure shooting in the field. The 1911 exists now only because of sentiment.

If you want a good handgun go with a Walther P99 instead of a Glock. Just as reliable but a little more refined.

>>734002745
Magazine capacity. You'll very unlikely to find a man who will shrug off a 9mm but fall to a .45.

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>>734003179
You didnt read the post I was replying to did you?

>>734003305
op here.
Mags alone would want to make me chose Glock. I'm torn between an m&p9c or a g19.

>>734002461
Glock is incredibly reliable and has a larger magazine filled with weaker ammo
1911 is very reliable when you get it from a quality source, and use quality ammo. It also has holds half the ammo, but is much more powerful.

tl;dr. 1911 if you have good aim. glock if you don't. or are going to be attacked by more than 7 people.

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>>734003450

>>734003518
>weaker ammo
You can get Glocks in .45 or 10mm

>>734003597
OP
I call that a clue.
Is that a fucking dog under there lol?

USP master race reporting in

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>>734003712

>>734003672
Only shot a glock in 9mm. so I couldn't comment to the other calibers.

>>734003450
If you're talking Smith & Wesson M&P semi auto vs. Glock. I'd go with the Smith&Wesson. Just because I know and like the SW's. I've fired Glocks before too. I personally think the SW is just as reliable but a bit more refined and feels better in the hand. I'd always go with SW or Walther for a sidearm.

>>734003828
OP
is that an x300ub, any good?
the xc1 is shit.

>>734002647
1911s are for impressing oldfags. Glocks are for daily carry.

>>734003712
plot twist, he shot it and placed all those handguns on top of it to cover the wound.

>>734002693
>Full auto
Fuck off back to Call of Duty.

>>734003412
That is one ugly as fuck gun.

>>734003858
any preferred model?
and if a sound like a noob, I am. I learned to shoot on an old winchester 44-40 and a ruger redhawk. so my exposure to guns is limited

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>>734003964
Thats an x300u-a
The x300u-b is a touch bright and has a different mounting mechanism. I have both. The A is easier to move around from one pistol to another, the B is a more robust attachment.

Both are fucking amazing

Buy a Glock in .45 ACP. Less weight means you can carry the $500 you saved more easily too.

>>734004068
dog bit his penis off, he placed those handguns on top of it to cover the wound.

>>734002461
depending on which model of glock, glock holds more rounds than 1911. pro for glock

1911 is more customizable. pro for 1911.

solution? buy one of each. :)

>>734004392
dibs on the penis

>>734004443
Glocks are more customizable.
You living in the 80s or something?

>>734004210
Mall ninja.

>>734004575
shut up, you faggot. way more options for 1911. were you born stupid, or do you work at it?

>CZ strolls in
>shits on both
>casually struts out of the room

>>734002942
That's not true. 45acp is typically a softer feel because the bullet velocity is slower than a lot of other cartridges. The weight of the firearm has a lot to do with recoil as well, the lighter the firearm the more it will recoil.

>>734004763
OP
How about a browning hi-power?
Dad had one.

>>734002461
Glock is a honda accord. For fat autistic kids.
1911 is a 1960 Mustang, tough rugged, not practical. For retards that think theyre more manly for owning one.

Glocks are for retard faggot pussies, 1911's are for cooler retard faggot tryhards

>>734004746
Yup. Stuck in the 80s

>>734002461
>>734002745
if any of you faggots think that at the end of the day theres a huge difference between .40, .45, and 9mm.. when it comes down to it, if i can send 12 .40cal bullets downrange in a few seconds, do you think someones getting up from that?

fuck 1911 and all their .45 fanboys who act like they shoot a fucking nuke out of their gun, glock is more reliable, holds more ammo, and from personal experience is less likely to fail on you.

>>734004976
no, you stupid faggot. just go ahead and KYS now. it's obvious you know nothing about weaponry. go stroke your faggoty AR-15

>>734003597
Why do you have so many?
agent?
collector?
dealer?
seller?

>>734005091
/thread
less recoil means more accurate follow up shots. and with 10-12-15+ in the magazine, you cant lose. apendix carry cc with one or two mags and you're okay.
p.s train properly

>>734005280
You know the obvious answer is nigger

>>734005091
.45 sucks when it comes to penetration though. That thing is crawling towards the target when fired

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>>734005280
the fuck do you care?

>>734005359
Meh, personally i wouldnt use a full frame, compact, or even subcompact glock in a CC. For me I use a revolver with a concealed hammer so it doesnt get caught in a case / clothing. Also it fires everytime i pull the trigger

>>734005438
depends on range.
.45 i'd rather use in a home defence situation (low speed = low pen)
and 9 for cc for obvious reasons.
higher mag cap, reliability, cheapness etc

>>734003063
also glocks come in .45 caliber numbnuts.

>>734003412
so you're saying the glock was designed before 1911? Or did you not read the post you were replying to?

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>>734005547
mags are cheaper

>>734005547
>using a pistol for home defense

KYS, you faggot.

there are only 2 items needed for home defense

>12 gauge shotgun
>large caliber dog

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>>734002461
>implying a glock is even comparable to a toyota

bait as fuck

>>734002461
With a glock you are better off, because you have more bullets in your magazine
in a gun fight the bullet differences (.45 to 9mm) are neglible and if you need something stronger than 9mm you should have brought a rifle (i guess against body armour, but if you have to go against somebody with a body armour you have fucked up real good)

>>734005524
which revolver, I'm a big fan of a k frame .357 for cc personally, and I'm a biggish guy (6,3 215b fit) so a full frame glock or 1911 fits my hands okay.

ITT: a bunch of tacticool faggot wannabes

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>>734005547
obligatory gun pron
https://youtu.be/r-1CLuR0iz8?t=4m25s

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>>734003847
I own a 27 (.40 sub com) and it's powerful as fuck. however I use a .45 at work and there's little to no recoil.

hate the look of Glock, but it's reliable and easy to carry.

>>734002736
glock wins in accidental discharges too you redneck.

>>734005280
They all broke and got replaced

>>734005726
i would go with a 5.56 rilfe
you know much less barrier penetration (because your familie could live .. in your home) and 30 rounds

>>734003400
>You'll very unlikely to find a
situation that requires shooting 16 individuals as an average citizen

>>734005726
Benelli + glock 21 I think I'll do okay, but you always need a back up. shotgun reloads are too long and an opportunity to be shot

>>734005802
j frame .38 special. holds 5 rounds which while isnt a lot, its enough if you know what you're doing.

>>734005965
>accidental discharges

KEK.

no such thing. keep your fucking finger off the fucking trigger until you're fucking ready to fucking shoot, you fucking idiot.

>>>734000555

hmmm

>>734005982
don't know if this is bait, or if you're a fucking retardo

>>734004898
>1960 Mustang

the first mustang wasn't released in 1960.

>>734005547
True, but if possible I'd prefer an AR, you'll get less penetration with a .556

>>734005965

*negligent discharge

get the nomenclature right, faggot. Series 70 1911 aren't even drop safe, they don't have a firing pin safety so if you drop a cocked series 70, the hammer can get released and it can go off. All glocks are drop-safe with a safety plunger striker mechanism.

>>734002736
You can get glocks in .45 ACP ya know... The same round the 1911 fires.

Then you have a a gun that is superior in reliability, cost, accuracy, capacity, easy of use, weight, and identical power to a 1911.

>>734006059
if a nigger breaks into your home and you break out Mr. Remington 870, said nigger will do his best Jesse Owens impression.

>>734005965
you mean negligent discharges

>>734006182

>.556 mm is pretty fucking small

5.56 mm nigger

>>734006172
kek, love when faggots do dumb shit

>>734003412
wow, are you by any chance, a homosexual?

>>734006131
now that's a 12-gauge I can get behind.

>>734006162
why should it be bait. tell my why a shotgun is better suited for home defense then an m4 ?

>>734006182
Less penetration from a 5.56 than with a .45? According to what test?

5.56 has far more energy than .45

I don't understand where the myth that a 5.56 is a pea shooter comes from. It has the same muzzle energy as a .44 magnum.

People think a .44 magnum will remove limbs and blow a whole the size of a softball clean through a person and a 5.56 will take multiple shots to drop somebody.

>>734006256
Kek, I think that's enough reason to buy an 870. thank you.

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>>734002461

depends on the 1911. At the end of the day, I'd rather use my glock in self-defense so when the cops take it during their investigation I'm only out a $500 pistol, not some $4000 super customer faggy 1911.

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>>734006182
my sides....NATO rounds are for pussies who can't handle taking an enemy's life

1911 is balanced and the trigger depending on brand is fucking wonderful. I have a cheap Para. No regrats, like it better than my sig. Sold the glock I had because trigger sucked and the caliber was 40, 40 in a plastic unbalanced gun like glock was no fun shooting.

>>734006347

Pretty much any test with drywall penetration shows that low velocity pistol rounds penetrate more than standard 5.56 ball, because the 5.56 will fragment and lose energy whereas pistol rounds aren't fast enough to fragment so they hold together and go thru more shit

>>734006292
Won't shoot through walls
Buckshot is far more traumatizing and fatal at close range than any single bullet.

Buckshot pellets are typically about 9mm in diameter. Shooting somebody with one shot of magnum buckshot is like dumping 10+ rounds of 9mm pistol rounds into somebody's cheast all at once.

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>>734004360
>not shelling out the cash for a quality weapon to trust your families lives with.

>>734006292
shotgun ain't gonna penetrate walls. 5.56/.223 will.

you don't have to aim with a shotgun. just point in general direction and shoot.

>>734002461
Glock, more comfortable, double stacked magazine (I.e. Holds more bullets.13 compared to 7-8 in a 1911), easy disassembly, light weight.

And this is my opinion the glock is more reliable & also 1911 is too general; maybe if you said a colt or s&w 1911 vs Glock. A decent 1911 cost 800-1,000 a flock is 550 new.

>>734006547

>00 buck won't penetrate thru walls

not sure if trolling or just supremely retarded

>>734002693
Wtf are you talking about "newer" and "full auto".
The fuck? You know 1911's get made in 2017, correct? Dumbazz

ima just sit here with my high-point and cry

>>734006623
no one mentioned 00 buckshot, except you.

rock salt is enough to do the trick. remember, niggers breaking into your home don't know what's in the shell

>>734002736
Again WTF. .45 acp is also a caliber flick makes.

You guys don't know shit about guns

>>734003063
how so? .45 existed before the advent of cartridges in the use of black powder guns like the walker 45.

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not to change the thread direction, but if it conceal carry and its a defense posture, I mostly want to just get the job done and get going.

For that reason, I would carry a Smith & Wesson J-Frame revolver.

>been proven since 1950.
>designed to fire a full power round
>simple and easy to use
>reliable
>.38 full load

Understand, if you are in a one on one and have been to the range - this should do the job.

If swat shows up at your place - then no weapon is going to help you - except to get you KIA.

>>734003412
lol I actually like the way that looks lmao

I know gun fags will hate it.

>>734006623
Since each pellet of the buckshot has to make its own hole in the wall the energy lost in the wall will be huge.

It's simple logic. It takes far more energy to bore 10+ holes in the wall than a single hole.

Sure it will penetrate, but the pellets will be far less likely to be fatal once passing through the wall than a single bullet.

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The 1911 has a steel frame which makes it immenently modifiable. Also if you get a good brand/do custom gunsmithing it's single action trigger can be one of the best in the handgun market.

Glocks have more capacity and are super reliable, but aren't easily modified due to being plastic, have honestly kind of shit ergos with the grip feeling like a 2x4, the trigger is heavy, and they look ugly as fuck.

A Hi-Power is a good mix of attributes between the two, with the only problem being the Hi-Power has a shit trigger.

>>734006732

People have fucking been shot point blank with birdshot and have been able to walk to a hospital. Rock salt? Are you fucking gay? Good luck getting killed by a pack of nignogs after you hit them with table salt, faggot.

>>734006531
5.56 is also not very good at not going throug walls
>>734006547
no it won`t
of course you have to aim with a shotgun
just look at karl and ians test with the pistol grip shotgun
What if thee is more then one intruder, who may be also armed
is a semi auto weapon with far greater magazine capacity in such a situation also the poorer choice in your eyes ?

>>734002461
1911 is single action, IIRC, but it's a BEAUTIFUL gun. Kinda heavy, but very nice.

Glock is just convenient and cheap.

>>734003450
>G19
Dude that's huge I'd go with a 25 or 27.
Either the .40 or 9mm, and they are made for the pocket. Haha

The kick back on the 27 is fucking annoying, almost feels like it's gonna fall out of your hand.
The 25 is great tho, same small size. My brother traded me a g25 and a pt100.
Loved them both so much

I still rather have a .40 tho

>>734007026
while they're walking to the hospital, they ain't robbing you.

learn what rock salt is. it's not table salt.

were you born this fucking stupid, or did your mom drop you on your head when you were a child?

>>734004746
What are you talking about?
Flocks are way more customizable, dumbass.

>>734007091
the shotgun itself is the intimidating factor. are you really this stupid?

>>734007091
>5.56 is also not very good at not going throug walls

Any fatal round will penetrate a typical house wall that is just 2 layers of drywall and perhaps some fiberglass insulation.

If penetration is the main concern than large birdshot in a shotgun is probably the best choice. That or frangible bullets.

>>734006756
This faggot gets it

>>734007133
>1911 is single action
show me a double action glock

shotguns>handguns home defense why not a bean bag then some segmenting slugs

>>734004898
You're a dipshit, the glock is a 2016 camero.

The 1911 is a 1990's Corvet, you think it's fast looks good etc. but the camero is better

>>734007246
no they aren't you ignorant cockwomble

>>734007193
>while they're walking to the hospital, they ain't robbing you.

You're right. They've already killed you. Anything smaller than #1 buck in a 12 gauge doesn't even meet the FBI 12" minimum penetration standards thru ballistic gelatin meaning you can't guarantee major organ damage which is the only way to effectively end fights immediately. Good luck with your salt, bitch.

>>734007417


this >>734007270

>>734007431

>not a 1980s west german produced sig

into the trash it goes

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I wouldn't get a glock or a 1911. My choice for a .45 is the FNX45

15+1 capacity, accessory rail, ambidextrous controls, double and single action operation, anda decocker lever. It can be carried cocked and locked just like a 1911.

You can also get the tactical version that has a threaded barrel for accepting a suppressor and it also has the ability to mount an optic on the top.

>>734007270
but is it better against more than one armed intruders ?
also isn`t any weapon an intimidating factor ?
or running naked at them screaming on top of your lungs with a giant claymore ?
>>734007283
so both weapons have options for less penetration right ?

>>734006999
that and it tend to have the round nose dive if it don't like how it tastes lol also to OP im a fan of 1911 but mainly cus they look great engraved im a poorfag tho lol i but cheap guns

>>734005999
>18 people you mean
>pleb not going for doublekill award

>>734007569
>but is it better against more than one armed intruders ?
>also isn`t any weapon an intimidating factor ?
>or running naked at them screaming on top of your lungs with a giant claymore ?

your fallacy is: strawman

:)

>>734007410

You fucking idoit look at
>>734003412
How is a 1991 more customizable ? All you can do is get new grips, and get it engraved.

You jack ass stupid mouther fucker. I would beat your stupid fucking ass in real life on 4800.

You fags are lucky they strip exif data. Heard of /k/? Kek.

>>734007639
nice of you not to answer so i will ask you once again, is a shotgun better against more than one armed intruder ?

>>734007323
They function the same as a double action as far as use. But I know that the glock action isn't a true double action. The hammer/striker is partially cocked by the slide cycling, but the trigger pull finishes cocking.

>>734007684
faggot guns don't count

>>734007743
yes. yes it is

>>734007639
We'll, a claymore mine only explodes one way. An actual claymore, who the fuck? Larp much?

>>734006547
>Because slugs don't go through walls

>>734007939
you love your strawmen. :)

>>734007569
>also isn`t any weapon an intimidating factor ?
Obama funded the largest study on gun violence ever conducted. The results were decidedly pro gun so the democrats swept it under the rug and pretended it never happened.

One of the conclusions was that:
>Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.

https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1#R1

The study also concluded that guns are used far more for self defense than for crime. Whoops.

>>734007969
no one mentioned slugs, except you.

>>734007743
Most people, 60%, get shot with their own gun, in a home invasion scenario.

>>734007969

read his later responses, he wants to shoot salt at niggers armed with guns. Salt. Real badass dude, yo. Probably learned all about guns watching Kill Bill.

>>734008049
that's why you have a large caliber doggo

>>734008062
It's an old farmer trick, actually. Not my post.

>>734008049

Gonna call bullshit on this unless you have a legit source

>>734007903
why ?
you have to elaborate

>>734008100
Well, we aren't most people, are we?

>>734006547
>just point in general direction and shoot.

Why do retards repeat this myth? The spread on a shotgun at ranges inside a house is going to be maybe 6-8 inches. You still have to aim. It doesn't blast an entire 1/4 of a room like retards think.

>>734008115

Yeah, and there's a reason no military and no police force uses salt in their shotguns. Because it's retarded.

>>734007684
Lol relax bitch, its only the Internet.
No one can tell youre actually 5' 5"

>>734008191

It's even less spread than that. Shotgun spread is roughly 1/2 inches per yard. So at, say, 15 feet, that's only 2.5 inches spread, maybe tennis ball diameter sized. Pretty small.

>>734007193
You been watching too much Kill Bill again? Fuckin moron

>>734008062
next time you're riding in the cart while mommy is grocery shopping, ask her to show you the rock salt. then you'll understand, you gay homosexual cocksucking faggot

>>734002461
The glock is better when you're going through the ghetto, if you get ambushed by 4 nig nogs you can get them all with 1 clip.

>>734008194
They don't use salt because they use capcaiscin rounds. Far more painful than salt. Chili pepper extract under your skin hurts way more than salt.

You don't know what you are talking about.

>>734006756
Plus, this is a nice size to fit under your pillow.

>>734008309
The spread is going to depend a lot on the choke.

>>734002461
doesn't matter what gun you choose to kys with, just make sure you put the round through the brain stem not ur nose or eyes.

>>734007376
>camero

>>734008191
depends on barrel length and if you have a choke or not. you obviously know nothing about firearms

>>734008343
never seen it

>>734002693
>Full auto
>consumer use

It's only for military and foreign police use.

>>734008411

Why the fuck would I want to use a less lethal or non-lethal salt or OC/CS round when niggers are breaking into my house?

I'll take the most effective, most lethal round I can get while minimizing overpenetration, so in most cases that's #1 buckshot out of a 12 gauge shotgun, not fucking rock salt or some retarded riot nonlethal bullshit that doesn't even work all the time.

>>734002607
Dex is slightly better but str is more fun

>>734008646
>less than lethal.

in USA, if criminal charges aren't filed against you for shooting someone breaking into your home, you can still be subject to civil lawsuits.

don't be so fucking stupid all the fucking time

>>734008435

sure, but at home defense distances it won't really matter all that much. Either way, the spread is not big at all and retards continue to spread myths about it because they play too many video games

>>734008503
A short barrel smooth bore shotgun will still not have huge spread at under 10 yards.

Sure, the .410 pistols that fire out of a rifled barrel that is maybe 2 inches long have crazy spread. But the spread is so extreme that it is useless and you will only pepper your target with a few pellets at 20 yards.

And how many people are allowed to own sawed off shotguns? It takes a class 3 permit to own one. And if you are getting a class 3 permit for home defense I would rather own a sub machine gun.

I would rather shoot 9mm rounds at extremely high rates of fire than shoot a shotgun for close range self defense. There is a reason military and SWAT prefer sub machineguns for close quarters combat. Shotguns are mostly only used for blocking off locks and door hinges to enter rooms.

>>734008842
it's clear you've never fired a shotgun

You can get them both in the same caliber. It honestly comes down to what you personally would prefer. I've carried my Glock 17 for 5 or 6 years and I have never had a jam, failure to feed or extract, or a light primer strike. The fucking gun just keeps fucking working no matter what. It's cheap and reliable and you can get a million different little bits and pieces to customize it. Very simple. The 1911 is probably my favorite pistol of all time but I'm not going to pretend it's not a heavy, expensive and incredibly old design. Go for whatever you want, it's honestly doesn't make much of a difference, don't let anyone try to convince you that you bought the wrong one, because there will always be people like that no matter what you pick.

>>734002461

glock is very reliable, simple design, easy to strip and clean

1911 is traditional, deadly accurate, heavier, more expensive

it's gonna come down to your preference and wether or not it's gonna be your carry pistol

>>734002461
A 1911 must be carried cocked to be a practical concealed carry weapon. It's safe but most people are not comfortable with that.

>>734008805

Not in my state, faggot. justifiable self defense inside the home in Nevada makes you immune to civil suits. Learn your state laws.

>>734006754
If they're talking about the 1911, they're talking about .45 ACP, not .45 colt.

>>734008808
>sure, but at home defense distances it won't really matter all that much. Either way, the spread is not big at all and retards continue to spread myths about it because they play too many video games

That's true.

ALL OF YOU FAGGOTS BELONG IN /K/

Mods are fucking jerking off each other's little dicks are massive clitorises.

>>734008998
>>734009057
This

>>734008923
I own 3, faggot

They are great for self defense. I said that multiple times in this thread.

I'm simply stating the fact that the spread isn't anywhere near what retards are claiming in this thread. In fact, I think it is you that knows jack fucking shit about shotguns.

Go watch some youtube videos on it. There are dozens where people measure the spread of various rounds based on distance and barrel type. And no shotgun produces a massive spread so huge you "don't have to aim" at ranges that make sense for indoors combat.

10 yards is 30 feet. Besides a hallway, very few houses have any place that is 30 feet wall to wall. Go measure it out, 30 feet is a long ways indoors.

I never said shotguns suck. I'm saying their spread isn't as massive as people think. Shotguns are awesome.

>>734009074
nope, dope. try again. :)

>>734008217
I'm 6'1, sorry I'm not a little pussy white manlet.

>>734009207
yep. clearly you've never fired a shotgun

I prefer a 1911 personally, but it's all sex appeal. I hate the feeling of a glock in my hand because it's such a light weapon and such a blocky design. The 1911 is more comfortable, and it "feels like a gun."

>>734008805
Not in AZ. Sorry. We aren't liberal, criminal sympathizers.

>>734009332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR5K3DrD4Lk

>>734009633
you might want to do some homework

>>734007193
This has got to be a nigger who robs homes.

Be gone nigger.

>>734009649
it's crystal clear. you've never fired a shotgun

>>734002618
muh nigga

>>734009718
hi, nigger. i'm anon. :)

>>734008805
Not everybody lives in commiefornia

Most of the self defense cases I have heard of don't even go to court. The police clear the self defense shooter of all charges and let them go in a matter of hours.

It mostly the inconvenience of getting the bits of dead nigger out of your carpet and repairing your drywall that you need to worry about when shooting somebody in self defense.

carrying a revolver for edc is retarded. they can be super reliable and built like a tank, like a ruger sp101 for example, but only 5 to 6 shots.

a 1911 is retarded for edc. sure it boasts more stopping power, but only at closer range. its only so powerful due to projectile weight. but with the bullet being so heavy, its slower and starts to tumble after 30 ft. they carry half the ammo as a double stack. these are great for olf farts who are living in the past. theyre pretty but impractical

glock is ideal for edc. theyre light weight, beautifully engineered to be easy to use and disassemble if need be. very reliable with a proven track record. carry just about double ammo as a 1911, theyre very accurate and theyre lighter on the wallet. more options for calibers, so you could still carry .45 and more of it. and with todays production quality of higher grade ammo, id argue that 9 is just as deadly as .45, perhaps more so because its faster and more accurate over longer distances.

>>734009836
i live in Texas.

learn the difference between criminal trials and civil trials

>>734009501
Just curious, do you carry cocked and locked when concealed?

>>734010139
if it ain't ready to go, why carry it?

>>734009701
>Castle doctrine

>>734010015
I know the difference. Most self respecting courts not run by liberal cucks will not even let it go to court if it is a real case of self defense.

My dad's friend shot and killed a guy who broke into his house and had a "rape kit" kit backpack with lube, sex toys, duct tape, handcuffs etc. He was some meth head that he had fired a few months back. They guy wanted revenge and had come to kill him and rape his wife and 2 daughters.

He didn't even have to go to the police station after the shooting. Open and shut self defense. There is no way a court would allow him to be sued by that guy's family.

>>734010326
that shields you in most cases from criminal charges.

learn what a civil trial is.

>>734009633
I am liberal and if you break into my house the last thing you will see is the muzzle flash of a 45 aimed at your center mass. Making generalizations about people could kill you.

>>734003063
if you put any of that shit on your gun you should turn it on yourself.

>>734002461
>>>/k/

>>734010139
I carry a 5 shot .357 revolver in a front jacket pocket when the weather allows. You can fire the revolver from inside the pocket without worrying about it jamming. A semi-auto will snag the fabric and jam as it cycles.

>Crackhead pulls blade and demands money from me
>OK OK here is my wallet!
>reach into pocket
>start blasting with the gun still in my pocket

>>734002938
>H&K USP Compact

/thread

>>734010401
And this is why G Gordon Liddy says kill the intruder. Then yhere is only one side to the story.

>>734006821
>lol I actually like the way that looks lmao
You play one of those games with ridiculous skins for guns, don't you...

>>734010401
Manslaughter, or murder, whatever you want to call it, won't be tried in a civil court.

So calm down, Judge Judy.

>>734010556
Was an awesome gun 15 years ago, but I think lots of more modern guns are superior today.

But in 2005 I would have agreed with you.

>>734010334

>I know the difference

no, you don't.

>Most self respecting courts not run by liberal cucks will not even let it go to court if it is a real case of self defense.

argumentum ad populum

>My dad's friend shot and killed a guy who broke into his house and had a "rape kit" kit backpack with lube, sex toys, duct tape, handcuffs etc. He was some meth head that he had fired a few months back. They guy wanted revenge and had come to kill him and rape his wife and 2 daughters.

anecdotal evidence supports nothing.

>He didn't even have to go to the police station after the shooting.

you don't go to the police station in most civil trials...proving you don't know what a civil trial is

>Open and shut self defense.

true...and that kept him from being prosecuted in a criminal trial.

>There is no way a court would allow him to be sued by that guy's family.

"i believe it's true, therefore it must be"

KYS, jr.

>>734010561
intruder's family can still sue

oj won a criminal trial and lost the subsequent civil trial for 25 million

>>734010644

>wrongful death.

are you really this stupid?

>>734010775
I understand what a civil trial is.

In the case you are arguing it would be something like poor Tyrone's mom (because his dad was out of the picture before he was born) taking you to court arguing that deadly force was not needed.

And that shit will get tossed out in most states.

>>734006256
Most definitely. The sound of an 870 being cocked is enough to make the crackiest-crackhead turn tail and run.

>>734010937
>I understand what a civil trial is.

doubtful, given the evidence.

i'm not arguing any specific case. you really are this stupid.

>>734010841
That's a special case. OJ was clearly guilty in the criminal trial. He just had a really good lawyer that convinced the jury that 99.9% confidence DNA evidence was reasonable doubt.

Who cares if the murder victim's blood was INSIDE his truck and stained the interior. What does that prove?

>>734006292
Home defense is more close quarters- a wider arc means more chance of hitting a target.

>>734011021
I just gave a perfect example of one, faggot

Pull the cactus out of your asshole and chill the fuck out.

>>734011153
>I just gave a perfect example of one, faggot
no you didn't.

hi, faggot. i'm anon. :)

>>734006655
Just because something is made in 2017 doesn't mean it isn't based on a pre-WW1 design patent. You are retarded.

>>734011215
Yes, I did. An example of the family members of the person you shoot taking you to court for some sort of wrongful death accusation and trying to milk money from you.

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

>>734011338
you really are this stupid. time for you juice and nap?

>>734011319
And just because something was designed in 1911 doesn't mean it sucks. Thomas Edison got the design for the incandescent lightbulb perfect and it went almost totally unchanged for over 100 years until these fluorescent and LED lights came around.

Sometimes people know their shit and get it right the first time.

Browning is a great example of that. He designed the 1911, and the .50 caliber machine gun still used by the military today. Other rifles like the Garand have evolved into the M-14 which are also still used today.

Browning designed multiple guns 100 years ago that are still just as good as anything today. The newer guns mostly have advantages because they use materials and alloys that simply didn't exist back then.

Browning was an amazing engineer.

>>734011319
nice tripl dubz

every swinging dick out there with a CNC mill can produce decent firearms regardless of the design

>>734002461
>>>/k/

>>734011453
So give an example of what the civil trial would be if you successfully shoot and kill an intruder in your home.

How did I get it wrong, oh master? Please divulge a fragment your infinite wisdom on this subject.

>>734010879
>Preponderance of evidence

Dead guy found in my house. Who's story are you going to believe?

Takes you back to the castle doctrine.

Sorry if the right to defend myself triggers your feelers.

>>734011739

>PORTLAND, Ind. -- A convicted burglar is suing a man who shot him during an attempted break-in. The civil lawsuit was filed last week in Jay County.

The homeowner in this case shot the suspect one time along a dirt alleyway in Dunkrik in 2014. The alarm on the detached garage went off and the owner saw a man running away from the building and opened fire. A jury later convicted the homeowner, David McLaughlin, of criminal recklessness.

>>734012060
if you say you killed him, you're opening yourself up to a civil lawsuit.

i don't agree with this...but we live in world run by lawyers

...listening to all you dumb fucks who have obviously never been around guns. Fucking indoor pets.

>>734011604
>>734011641

Not saying the 1911 isn't a great design. Just pointing out that this poster >>734006655 is a retard for thinking that just because something is newly made means it isn't old technology.

>>734003712
Looks like a mackeral tabby

>>734002461
There's a million different 1911's and a million different glocks. But I'm gonna just compare generic versions of each (.45 and 9mm).

>1911:
+Higher end
+More accurate
+Lighter trigger pull
+More stopping power
+Eats almost any brand of ammunition
-Expensive
-Fewer rounds
-More parts
-Harder to clean
-Heavier
-Not meant for concealed carry
-Limited/expensive customization

>Glock
+Cheaper
+Ideal for carry
+Lighter
+Easy to disassemble
+Easy to clean
+Vast/cheap customization
+More rounds
-Lower end
-Less accurate
-Heavier trigger
-Less stopping power
-Bad stock sights
-Some need specific ammo

There. I've had both, but my prized possession is a slightly customized Colt Government model 1911, and my carry gun is an FNS 9-C.

>>734010753
What? Buying a handgun is not like buying a smartphone. Idiot.

>>734012195
What is your point? It is illegal to shoot somebody who is running away and is not a threat.

This does not apply in a justified self defense shooting. It makes sense he could be sued. That has nothing to do with a justified self defense shooting because it was not a justified self defense shooting, retard.

>>734012270

AZ 13-413. No civil liability for justified conduct

State: Arizona


Also, I'm not out to kill anyone. However, I'm all for stopping someone. Like I've always said, I'm not the predator, but I refuse to be the prey.
Arizona Revised Statutes (A.R.S.)

Title 13. Criminal Code

Chapter 4. Justification

13-413. No civil liability for justified conduct

No person in this state shall be subject to civil liability for engaging in conduct otherwise justified pursuant to the provisions of this chapter.

>>734002461
Glock is easier to use, clean, isn't pretty, comes in all shapes and sizes and almost all calibers

1911 looks nice, comes in minor size variations and a few calibers (45, 9, 22lr)

>>734012476
Who said it was?

Polymers still improve, accessories change form factors. The USP uses a proprietary rail to mount accessories because it was ahead of its time and the picatinny rail wasn't standardized yet.

>>734010841
OJ was accused of murder, not protecting himself from a home intruder.

>>734002461

First gun OP?

Glock 19.

>>734010831
So what? Their family member was killed during the commission of a felony. Their case will never go to trial. They can also get countersued for filing a frivilous lawsuit.

>>734012472
okee dokee:

>+Higher end
what makes it higher end?

>+More accurate
doesn't that partially depend on the shooter, too?

>Lighter trigger pull
some are adjustable

>More stopping power
based on what? both come in differenet calibers

>Eats almost any brand of ammunition
can you demonstrate where a glock doesn't?

>Expensive
a rock island can be had for around $500...nearly the same price as a glock

>Fewer rounds
30 round mags available for 1911s

>More parts
list them

>Harder to clean
how?

>Heavier
is this a pro or con? heavier tends to mean less recoil

>Not meant for concealed carry
there are 1911s specifically designed for concealed carry

>Limited/expensive customization
citations, please.

>>734013034
This

>>734012555
nice trips.

the point, other than the one atop your head, is that if you shoot someone, even if it's justified, you can still be subject to a civil lawsuit. i thought i made that clear. apparently some people can't read

>>734012799
>Who said it was?

You did. Poor HK is 12 years old. So outdated.

>>734010831
It's America. I can sue you if you fart while walking past me. I can sue you for sending me flowers. I can even sue you for putting a curse on me.

>>734005726

Wow get a load of this guy.

Tomahawks under my pillow have saved me twice from home invasion events.

>>734013034
you'd likely need to hire legal counsel. and there is a chance you could lose.

First gun was a Glock19, loved it. Good capacity, lightweight. Kind of ugly, but no one gives a shit about that for carry.

Now I carry a Five-seveN. Even lighter, even better capacity, virtually no recoil, mean bullet if you get the hollow points. I love it.

Gonna get an M9 when they become surplus.

So for personal every day use, I'd vote Glock since stopping power isn't particularly important if a thug wants to rob you. More chances to hit. You're not going to really run into anyone wearing body armor, which is when the .45 starts getting better than the 9mm.

>>734013357
reductio ad absurdum :)

>>734013248
Never said it sucks. But it is outdated.

Why buy it when you can get a thinner, lighter gun of the same caliber that has an accessory rail that can fit all the modern lasers and lights? The USP requires an adapter to go from the USP rail to the picatinny rail which will then mount the accessory.

Why add bulk and weight to a gun when you don't need to?

I said I would have agreed the USP was a top choice in 2005. But there are numerous guns I would choose over it today. That doesn't make the USP worse. It just means other companies have upped their game in that time.

Plus, the industry changed, and the rail size of the USP is not used by like 99% of the available accessories.

>>734013232
>gives an example of an unjustified shooting
>claims it proves how you can be sued for a justified shooting

Ok retard

>>734002461
Don't believe in the .45 stopping power meme. What you want in a gun is how comfortable it feels in your hands. Keeping either gun clean as it should be and there is negligible difference in reliability between Glocks and 1911. Both guns have a good aftermarket variety to make the gun shoot nice and cater to your needs. I would recommend shooting both guns, and shooting the Glock in both the .45 and 9mm models. Cheaper ammo with the 9mm means you can practice more and get better at shooting, which is more important than hoping the .45 to expand enough to take down your target.

>>734005965
I don't think a Glock has ever been shown to misfire, has it? Of course it may fire if you rest your finger on the trigger. That is not an accident. That is poor safety protocol.

>>734013899
This

Skill in using your firearm is far more important than what firearm you are using.

In a gunfight between a Navy SEAL with a .22 pistol and somebody who has very little experience with guns buy has an AR-15, I would bet on the SEAL.

>>734013058
>what makes it higher end?
Higher spec materials, more handmade/handfitted parts (generally)

>doesn't that partially depend on the shooter, too?
What? Sure, people can be inaccurate, but some guns are more accurate than others as well. Larger spreads = higher margin of error

>some are adjustable
To reiterate, I'm comparing generic versions of each. Of course you can customize an amazing glock and compare it to a shitty 1911, but that's not the point here.

>based on what? both come in differenet calibers
To REITERATE, I'm comparing generic versions of each. 1911's generally come in .45, and people who carry glocks generally do so in 9mm.

>can you demonstrate where a glock doesn't?
This is well known. Most 1911's eat just about anything, and glocks usually don't. Some even require specific glock brand ammo.

>a rock island can be had for around $500...nearly the same price as a glock
TO REITERATE, I'M COMPARING GENERIC VERSIONS OF EACH. 1911's are GENERALLY more expensive than GLOCKS.

>30 round mags available for 1911s
TO REITERATE.... etc...

>list them
I'm not sure how much you actually know about guns, or if you're trolling at this point. Try disassembling both, then look at a generic part diagram of each gun.

>how?
Harder to disassemble + more parts = harder to clean. Honestly, I'm pretty sure you've never owned or cleaned either of these guns if you're seriously asking that.

>is this a pro or con? heavier tends to mean less recoil
It's a con if you plan on carrying it

>there are 1911s specifically designed for concealed carry
TO REITERATE.... etc...

>citations, please.
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Glocks are notoriously customizable, and 1911's aren't. To customize a 1911, is to essentially create a designer gun, and it's expensive.


You're either a troll, or haven't the slightest clue about firearms.

>>734014131
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YqcvuRRggM

Not trying to make a point posting this video, I just love this video, its hilarious.

Not saying anything bad about glocks.

>>734014216
so you can't back up any of your bullshit.

got it.

>>734014417
Confirmed gun-less troll.

Thank's for wasting my time, faggot.

>>734014473
everything you posted is baseless and it's bullshit.

it's clear you know nothing about firearms

>>734014285
Wonder if he was fired for that little "accident".

>>734014583
Double-confirmed, now.

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>>734014216
There are far too many 1911s available to say it is "high end".

Rock island armory makes one for $400.

There are literally hundreds of variants ranging from cheap to ridiculously expensive and custom built.

>>734013422
I don't understand your point. Are you saying I should risk losing my life because I might get sued?

If it is I will take the risk.

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>>734002461
cock or glock, it's your choice bitch

>>734002461
Fucking colt also fuck off to /k/>>734002528

>>734014698
yep. confirmed you know nothing about firearms

>>734002461
I love my Glock. But I would love to own a 1911 for comparison. My .02$ is they both go pew at what you want them to .

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>>734005965

> be me
> get my first gun, a Glock 19 Gen 4
> show my uncle
> he pulls out his 45 to show off how big it is
> "accidentally" shoots himself through the hand
> check to see if dog/roomate are alive in next room
> they're alright
> rush uncle to the hospital in my Glock

> mfw I've noticed people who carry a 45 (or rather, talk about it as being big and powerful) are generally less intelligent beings

> mfw I plan to get a 5-7 as my next handgun after purchasing a vest, safe, and an AR15 in that order.

OP, firefights are high stress situations. Get a gun that you can follow up accurate shots in succession in the event you miss the first time. Especially since you're more than likely to be shooting some druggie who is mugging you, who perhaps won't even feel the shots due to the amphetamine in their system. More bullets mean more chance of hitting the CNS and actually stopping someone, that extra sliver of shrapnel from a 45 wont help much (don't expect everyone to just lay down and wait to bleed out after getting hit). Better to follow up with more shots to the center mass to neutralize, and you could do so more effectively with a 9mm which contains more rounds with less recoil.

> 5-7 = 30% less recoil and muzzle flash than a 9mm + armor piercing rounds = fuck your vest nigga

>>734014868
Hence the saying better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

For retards that don't get it, the typical jury size is 12. And the typical funeral casket is carried by 6 people. Better to defend your life and kill somebody in the process and go to court over it than be killed.

>>734014796
Of course there are hundreds of each, but generally speaking, 1911's are more expensive and higher-end pistols than glocks.

No one in their right mind would say otherwise. If you gathered the median price of all glock pistols and the median price of all 1911's, which would be higher? Be honest.

>>734014868
>Are you saying I should risk losing my life because I might get sued

no.

i'm saying that even if there are no criminal charges filed against you for shooting someone who broke into your home, you can still face a legal battle in civil court.

>>734002693
Are you serious? Please be joking.

>>734015004
Triple.

>>734014868
I think the point of his post was that it is never a clear and cut path of shooting an intruder and dealing with the cleanup. And he has point if that was the intention. You still get arrested for shooting someone and you will be asked questions by the police.

>>734015114
>median price of all glock pistols and the median price of all 1911's, which would be higher

calling bullshit on your statistics. Are we going by numbers sold or models available for purchase. I guarantee the cheap 1911s sell way better than the $3,000 custom guns that grace the covers of gun magazines and people like to drool over.

If you were to decide the average price of cars, would you give the Bughatti Veyron the same weight in the statistics as the Toyota Camry? Of course not, because they literally sell 10,000X more camrys.

Yes, there are lots of expensive 1911s. That doesn't mean they sell in large numbers. Companies like Rock Island Armory exist because people want cheap 1911s.

>>734015068
The 5-7 is not worth the money. You are better off getting a cheaper p-90 civilian variant than to buy the pistol.

>>734010492

your scenario will never happen unless you live in a really shitty neighborhood. In which case i feel sorry for you anyways so.. yea i'm sorry.

>>734002461
Neither until 2020 when I can legally own firearms again.

>>734010492
>You have to worry about the hammer catching
>You really have to worry about the gasses coming out of cylinder, most revolvers dont have seals between the cylinder and the barrel

>>734003597
Dude who out a pile of shit on your couch? Seriously. I would be pissed.

>>734002461
Glock for quality
1911 for style

>>734015519
Self defense shootings are incredibly common. The mainstream media just never reports them. Pick up a gun magazine like the National Rifleman and flip to the section they publish every month where about a dozen stories of self defense shootings are published. None of them make the news because the mainstream media is totally anti-gun.

People use guns to defend themselves literally hundreds of thousands of times a year in the united states according to Obama's study which I already linked once in this thread.
https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1#R1

>“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008."

Guns are used a minimum of 500,000 times a year for self defense. That's 1,369 times a day! And all you hear is crickets from the mainstream media. Because guns are bad mmkay.

INB4 shill study. It was organized by democrats and funded by Obama's executive order. It is the largest, most comprehensive study on gun violence ever conducted. And you have never heard of it because the results were incredibly pro-gun. So Obama swept it under the rug. Nothing to see here, more along, guns are bad.

>>734015438
Your analogy proves my point, and you don't even realize it.
The Bugatti and Toyota are too far apart to be an accurate analogy, though.

Cadillacs are more expensive than Toyotas, generally, right?

Well according to you, they're not, since a lot of people buy brand new Toyotas, but there are more used, cheap Cadillacs on the road than brand new CT6's, right?

That's what you sound like. Go to gunbroker right now, search for "1911", then open up another page and search for "Glock". Then you'll realize how pointless this whole conversation is.

>>734016104
gunbroker is not a good example.

Go visit every pawn shop in your city and I guarantee there are way more cheap 1911s for sale than high end ones. Like 10X more cheap ones.

gunbroker is an artificial selection of higher quality guns.

I can't believe this is even a question. It's obviously the 1911. Made of all steel, no shit polymer frame, perfect caliber the godlike 45 ACP, more accurate, more reliable, less recoil, smoother operation, longer proven track record, also will not explode in your hand like a grenade. Get your weak shit austrain made garbage the fuck out of here. Buy a real AMERICAN gun. Faggot.

>>734002461

glock is more reliable with a higher payload.

when it comes down to a gun battle all that matters is the reliability and payload of your weapon.

>>734007134
G26 is the subcompact 9mm
G25 is the 380

>>734003059

Not according to the most comprehensive study ever done on the matter by the FBI.

http://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/guns/case-closed-fbi-says-9mm-is-the-best-pistol-round/

FBI > you

lurkmore pleb.

>>734016388
The FNX45 is made in Virginia, has a polymer frame with steel inserts on the surfaces that matter, and is superior to a 1911 or a Glock.

>>734002461
>Glock/Toyota
Everyone can afford one/they are seen everywhere
Big gas tank
Reliable despite owners being dipshits and not knowing how to take care of it
Practical
Ugly
Nobody cares if you own one

>1911/Racecar
Huge powerhouse, more than you probably need
Expensive
Demands constant refills
Fairly high maintenance
Almost everyone loves them
Fun
Looks so good you could jerk off to it

>>734015405

True story, I wish I were kidding dude. Nothing against the 1911 - I plan to get one into my collection at some point. I just think that typically people who believe in that nonsense about +dmg deserve to carry a 45.

My Glock is pretty cool, for $700 total I got a brand new Gen 4 with tritium sights, a 3.5lb ghost connector trigger setup, and a ergonomic slide release upgrade. Serves me well, I pack 124 grain gold dots for CC and I trust them since they're FBI approved.

> source glockmeister.com

I haven't put a scope or lazer on it yet, but I'll do so once my mom gives me more money next week.

>>734015512

I don't want to carry around a P90, I'd rather keep a nice AR on deck with some OTM in the mag. I'm in a Mexical cartel called "Los Bocadillos", I need a nice cop killer pistol like the FN to protect my bricks.

>>734016528

Ayy you inb4 my FBI reference

>>734003847
>only 9mm

A 5 second google search would have saved you from looking foolish you foolish looking fool full of foolishness.

>>734003518
>implying a 15 or 17 round glock is enough to take on 7 people

a lot of times cops fail to bring down one person with 10 rounds

John Wick is not real life

>>734002461

Glock is better in an actual fight.

1911 is more fun to shoot at a range.

ITT:
range jockeys swear by their 1911's
Criminals, police and servicemen swear by their glocks

>>734003597
haha this must have been one of those threads where you pile shit on your pet until it wakes up

>>734016703
>Glock is better in an actual fight.
how many gunfights have you been in?

>>734016546
racecars have much larger gas tanks than street cars. Ever looked at the MPG readings on a modern car when you floor it? It will fall well below 10 mpg.

A racecar would go a pathetically short distance if it had a normal size tank.

>>734016640

true. even a highly trained office will miss most his shots in an actual conflict.

handguns are just nowhere near as accurate as rifles.

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>>734002461
Just sold my Glock to buy a 1911.

After military and such, I'm not comfortable carrying without a manual safety. Plus SAO trigger is master race.

Yes, more maintenance, but worth it.

Still like Glock, but not as much as my 1911.

>>734016546

you said about glocks:

>Everyone can afford one/they are seen everywhere

you said about 1911s:

Expensive

you can get a 1911 for the same price as a glock.

can you justify your bullshit?

>>734016611
>FBI approved

There is a long story behind the process for determining the gun and ammo agents will carry. Agents are not always in agreement.

>>734002618
Because I want the longest trigger pulls with resets of a mile and a half.

Try not being a slave to marketing faggot.

>>734016775
He is an internet gunslinger.

>>734016224
Dude... you're literally feeding into my analogy more.

Gunbroker is the perfect example, because it has a larger selection than any pawnshop ever could.
And pawnshops are a bad example because they sell mostly USED guns. That's why the 1911's there are cheaper.

Again: Just because there are cheap Cadillacs at the used car dealership does not mean that they aren't more expensive than Toyotas.

I've honestly never heard someone try to argue that 1911's aren't generally more expensive than Glocks. I'm honestly not sure if you're just fucking with me at this point.

>>734016775

I have 3 family member in the FBI, granddad in DEA, my dad was a customs agent and my uncle is a Boston Cop. 2 of the FBI cousins were marines that saw combat in gulf war 1.

All except my dad have had to use their glocks on duty. Not to mention the endless stories I hear from their friends from work and stuff.

Glocks are just better more modern weapons, that's why they're used. I mean I love 1911's they're super cool, I have a friend that only collects 1911's and loves them but the fact is they're just outdated.

Two of the FBI

>>734016840
People don't realize how inaccurate pistols are.

A 5 inch group with a pistol at 15 yards is pretty good.

A 3 inch group at 100 yards with a rifle is mediocre.

>>734005999
you're very unlikely to kill one person for every 1 bullet in your magazine, let alone every 2, 3, or even 4 rounds.

>>734016944

>manual safety

The only agreeable pro of a 1911 over the Glock

>>734016958

I revolve around science. I'm sure the FBI has cadavers they're shooting at in the basement to determine this stuff.

>>734017065

Don't buy used guns. My first gun (which I didn't buy legally) was a scratched .38 revolver, it was literally haunted.

>>734003450
G19 in that case. Fiber optics on that bitch and you're done

>>734016784
>It will fall well below 10 mpg.
Who is constantly flooring it when they drive a Toyota? Nobody

Either way NASCAR is still around 5mpg
Half that of your speed demon driver in a Toyota

Half ammo capacity, half fuel efficiency. A bit fitting dont you think?

GLOCK 21
FTW!

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>>734005999

I don't kill soloists, only kill squads.

>>734017134

btw my dad quit customs before the glock was introduced.

at the range he prefers a metal CZ to a plastic glock. I agree with him, the glocks are not very fun to shoot, but I only own one handgun for home defense and I never shoot it. It's a colt police positive .38. I'm much more into rifles at the range and hunting. I kinda hate handguns personally.

>>734017065
The 1911s everybody reads about and wants are clearly more expensive than Glocks. I agree with that.

The average 1911 that Bubba the truck driver buy's isn't. He pretends he owns a custom Kimber 1911 but it's really some cheap 1911.

>>734017134
you've never been in a gunfight, but you say glocks are better in a gunfight and back it up with anecdotal evidence. run along, jr.

>>734017254
My point was simply that race cars are VERY high capacity when it comes to fuel. Sometimes like 80 gallons depending on what series were are talking about.

>>734017176
pistols themselves are not inherently inaccurate, its that with a single point of contact with the weapon as opposed to 3 points of contact(with rifle or shotgun) it is much more difficult to aim accurately consistently

>>734017217
>I'm sure the FBI has cadavers they're shooting at in the basement to determine this stuff.

The basement of the J Edgar Hoover building is reserved for govt contractors. I know a few. There is no shooting down there. Just griping.

>>734017349
>I only own one handgun for home defense and I never shoot it.

not being proficient with a weapon you trust your life with.

stupid. you're very fucking stupid.

irresponsible gun owners like you are a bane on society. :(

>>734017349
Glock uses a polymer frame, not plastic. Your dad is an idiot.

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>>734017550

Do they all wear these and drive large Dodge pickups?

>>734017217
>I revolve around science. I'm sure the FBI has cadavers they're shooting at in the basement to determine this stuff.

Pigs are usually used to simulate human flesh when ballistics gel isn't realistic enough.

>>734017671
Defense contractors, moron.