Moderate Muslim here. AMA.

>>733717910
istanbul will be renamed constantinople in the name of jesus christ someday.

I swear to god you muslims are asking for another christian crusade, and you know it.

>>733717910
Is it mandatory to have one of those little carpets if you want to pray?

Are you a virgin?

What is the punishment for apostasy?

>>733718057
No. You only need a clean surface to pray on. Since the ground can be dirty sometimes, we just use janamaz (prayer mat). Some people use simple white cloth sheets.

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>>733718027
WISH WE COULD GO BACK
TO THE GOOD OLD DAYS

>>733718097
No, I had sex when I was 21 the first time. I know it is sin, but I couldn't help it.

>>733718111
According to my fiqh it is: "Hanafi – recommends three days of imprisonment before execution, although the delay before killing the Muslim apostate is not mandatory. Apostates who are men must be killed, states the Hanafi Sunni fiqh, while women must be held in solitary confinement and beaten every three days till they recant and return to Islam."

I personally however would not support this. No need to kill anyone. Just live and let live.

>>733717910
Why is every Islamic country a shithole, and why can Muslims only survive by having the infidels take care of them and provide them with food and housing?

>>733718682
GOOD POINT

>>733718493
So you are a heretic who does not follow the teachings of Muhammad?

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>>733718682
Many Islamic countries are quite great. The golden years of Islam saw a very progressive and scientific society. However in recent times because of the Israel conflict the west has been toppling good governments and creating vacuum for extremists to take hold.

>>733717910
can't wait for the christians to get radical again they you guys will be fucked

>>733718945
So you Muslims believe Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya all had good governments?

>>733718945
>>733718945
>However in recent times
Translation: for centuries, since long before Israel existed.

>>733718955
All we need is president pence.
Impeach trump...

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>>733717910

Why did your prophet marry a 6 year old?

Seem like kind of an odd thing to do.

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How many people do moderate Muslims kill every day?

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>>733719054
You chose the worst three countries. But yes, Iraq , Libya, and Afghanistan had relatively better rulers. Peace. And prosperity. The US assassinated their leaders and now Taliban/ISIS rule.

>>733718945
While true, it's your problem, not ours anymore.

>>733718057

They're not just for prayer, anon.

They're also for transportation.

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>>733719141
Not true. 1950s was the decline of the Islamic nations. Unfortunately we did not have big guns to defend against western powers. And now these nations lie in ruin. The injustice, poverty, and lack of education breeds extremism.

What are your views on Palesti....oh, wait.

Rolling.

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>>733719307

There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.

You want revenge very badly, it's obvious.

>>733718945
lol, blame the jews, sure.

>>733719251
I don't know, same reason in the west your ancestors did, and also buttfucked little boys and thought that was perfectly acceptable
>implying everyone on this site wouldn't if it were socially acceptable today.

>>733719508
Yes true. The Ottoman Empire was the sick man of Europe before the first World War.

>>733718239
The good old times are coming back.

>migration of LGBT retards reach the middle east
>the "encounter" ends up in a one sided slaughter
>media tries to censor it and prevent leaks/coverage of report
>eventually gets out
>the age of tolerance, and multiculturalism goes into a steady decline
>eventually alphas and sigmas take the world by fucking storm
>Muslims get fucking rocked and destroyed
>Most of Europe is muslim, but every else on the globe is either: christian, catholic, Buddhists, jews, hindus, and atheists.
>Europe becomes islam land
>Rest of the world becomes the civilized golden age of humanity.

>>733718905
your punishment is death OP rest in pain

>>733719508

Is a school filled with 500 children a western power?

lul

Why is islam fundamentally violent?

>>733719251
She was promised at 6. Married at puberty. Some accounts have marriage at 10 while others have it as 12. This was a usual occurrence on those days. Until 50 years ago marriage at puberty was perfectly normal. Gandhi married his wife at the age of 14.

>>733719537
"Radical" Muslims blow people up.
"Moderate" Muslims come up with excuses for why those people deserved to be blown up, and how it isn't Islam's fault.

Ppaгooии

>>733719734
Founded by a warlord.

>>733719263
Side question, does anyone have the rest of this photo set?

Oppиpпeп

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>>733717910

>>733719852

I brought that image here from the net, as far as I know it's only one picture. lol

>>733719734
Cause their prophet was a fucking pscyho

See how it trickles down?

>Jesus Christ was a nice enough guy
>followers end up being nice enough people 2000 years later

>Muhammad was a freaking maniac who was a warlord, pedophile, and awesome pimp
>Followers end up being 90% passive aggressive retards that support the 10% that are total psychopaths and fanatics 1400 years later.

>>733717910
What will it take to mobilize 2.3 billion mostly moderate muslims for war against the west? Bin Laden had his plan, Al Queen had theirs, ISIS has theirs, but tensions have been tempered lately since Obama decided to listen to the pentagon and de-escalate instead. What can we do to better bring about the coming near-total suicide of mankind?

>>733719263
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>>733719537
Nope
>>733719669
Only under Sharia law. No country has that right now.
>>733719713
I think the US congress has less than that
>>733719734
Its red
>>733719897
That verse is taken out of context. It is narrating the story of a battle in Madina and the Jew/Christains that lived there ended up betraying the Muslims.

This does not mean all jews are like that.

>>733717910
Alone the prefix "moderate" justifies that Islam is a violent religion. You need a an alleviant to separate yourself from the "original" Islam.

>>733720099
Jews/Christians betrayed the muslims? Didnt Muhammed slaughter 2000 Jewish prisoners?

>>733720024
I think most people just want to live their life and go about their day like anybody else. So I am not sure this will ever happened.

>>733720099
>Only under Sharia law. No country has that right now.

Saudi arabia is ruled by partial sharia law. If you are an apostate you get publicly executed.

>>733720099
>taken out of context
The Quran is completely filled with quotes about how the non-Muslim is evil.

>>733720371
I quite dislike Saudi Arabia. It is sham Sharia law. They promote extremism in all other Muslim countries.

>>733718027
>Istanbul will be renamed constantinople
>in the name of jesu christo
Wouldn't they name it jesuschristland in that case instead?

Constantinople was named after Constantine, Emperor of Rome, not the christ character of that time, and certainly not what that character has become today.

Also, it wasn't muztards that destroyed the city and burned the great library of alexandria. It was christfaggots fundies. Plenty of blame to go around.

>>733717910
Happy Ramadan Goatfucker

- Love Manchester

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>>733719739
that's taqiyya

She was 6 when Mohammad married her and fondled her every day. 9 when he popped her cherry.

>>733719643
i live in europe wish someone planted a bomb in a muslim hole eye for an eye

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>>733720436
Well there are 3-4 chapters dedicated to individual wars (Battle of Badr, Uhad etc.) and when narrating those stories the opposing force was non-Muslim. To define them harsh words were used. This is not any different than the bible or gita or torah

>>733720470
>They promote extremism in all other Muslim countries.

They are dictating Sharia Law in accordance with the Koran its not extremism it is Islam in as is.

>>733720733
It works though.
Look how much time US faggots spend talking about Islam and tersts, versus any of those other causes.

No fucks given for the Tamil Tigers or even the IRA, and hell m8, Irish is one of the biggest ethnicities in the US.

>>733720099
>That verse is taken out of context. It is narrating the story of a battle in Madina and the Jew/Christains that lived there ended up betraying the Muslims.
Bullshit

>>733718493
youre like a nazi saying lets not kill jews, yet you are poisened by a sick idiologie. if you dont agree with bits of it, leave it.

fuck islam.

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>>733720881
If that were the case then all Muslims would believe in a singular Islam

>>733718945
theres is not a single modern "great" muslim country.

>>733720749
I agree, those books are fucked up, just like the Quran.

>>733721155
UAE is kinda alright.

>>733717910
Why do you believe in a fairytale?

>>733720749
We'll that is how war was conducted. Straight through Roman Empire on up to medieval Europe to Napoleons France and the British/American takeover of the native lands barely even a century ago.

The "Moderate Muslim" is the biggest myth in modern times.

You "Moderates" support the extremists like heroes, it's well known you evil faggot.

>>733721252
Yea Emirates is cool.

Plus it's like, Americas Cup, Team UAE/New Zealand

>>733720749
>This is not any different than the bible or gita or torah
bullshit

>>733721296
Seems plausible to you bc that's what you do?

>>733721296
Did you ... did you just tell me what I believe?

>>733719800
Checked

>>733721526
>>733721549
>>733721581
>>733721609
>>733721654
This is Hinduism. Especially the last picture.

On a side note, did you guys know the Prime Minister of India told his nation that they should drink cow piss. It's holy piss and will help them heal.

>>733718945
The only thing that makes any Muslim country great in modern times, is it's desire to have a western quality of life. Additionally those beautiful buildings you show in that pic were designed and built by Western engineers, with non-Muslim labor. If it wasn't for oil money you all would be living in tents, eating goats.

>>733721270
I shouldn't have to point out, that when you go to a bar today, there will be some grizzly late middle aged men there who fought in vietnam and even Korea who operated under those same orders. It's why we don't use the draft. Normies are goddamn animals when you dump them in a war and start giving all kinds of fucking orders like that. We now use a professional army instead, so as to avoid this shit from biting us in the ass later on. ...but it's a new approach to war. Very new. And not worldwide.

You fucknuts don't have an idea how many muslim and muslim countries there are. Close to 30 countries identify as predominantly muslim, there are 30 more that have muslim as official religion, and then minority population in just about every other country.

Every 1 in 4 person is muslim.

>>733721757
k, so you're definitely not a muslim

>>733721895
It's not a competition. Sure, the west has better education and technology right now. So we learn from them. I don't see anything wrong with that.

>>733721504

Madman Muslim detected.

Gotten to confirmed.

>>733721895
Turns out, most murricans are only a paycheck away from that scenario ourselves.

And dude. Goat meat is actually very good, which is why dishes prepared of it in restaurants are so expensive.

>>733722051
Not even close, but go on thinking the world resembles your 2d cartoon.

>>733721895
Isn't that every other country though? Russia, China, Europe, Asia - All want those skyscrapers for cheap as possible.

>>733718955
Wouldn't happen, Christianity is dying out, more atheists now, and they're boring af

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>>733717910
Does the Koran say anything about killing/murdering/violence against non Muslims? And if so what does it say?

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>>733722545
Do you realize how fucking weird you are.

>>733717910
Alright, I'll bite. There's a lot of black&white-seeing people in this world at the moment. Those who say "It's all the fault of the Islamic teachings, they are a cancer and poison to everything good!" and those that say "There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Islamic teachings, it's the people committing the crimes who are wrong and misrepresenting the religion!"
I believe there are a lot of Muslims who are okay, and overall it's an okay religion, as far as religions go (I'm not a fan). However, the fact that these people use this religion for their twisted goals has to mean there has to be something inherently wrong with at least some parts of the scripture. I'm not familiar with the scripture at all, only from what I read online by people trying to push their views (both ways), so I can't say with certainty. But there has to be some truth to my thoughts, right? Some verses or parts have to be vague or threatening-sounding enough to be interpreted the way they are. Would you agree?

>>733722916
Want to clarify
>as far as religions go (I'm not a fan)
meaning I'm not a fan of religions in general, I'm not saying I'm explicitly not a fan of Islam.

>>733722916
Read the Qur'an... nothing vague

Mohammad was proscribed this religion verbatim through Gabriel from God.

Muslims are the only real people... everyone is subjugated to them or killed.

Mohammad is a pedo and advocated divorce after a 3 month waiting period after having sex with prepubescent girls. Surah 65:4

>>733722916
OP here. I think it is primarily a political motivation. Every country that the west bombs starts breeding 'Islamists'. Every country that is doing the bombing is 'targeted'.

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>>733717910
You ll only Drop a Small Bomber, moderat Islam?

>>733722916
Scripture is scripture. Have you ever read the bible? It's ok to stone your wife for not being a virgin and 21 other offences like touching mount sinai or working the sabbath.

Simply, there are some fucked up places in the world man. it's really not much different. There are more than a few extremist christian terror groups in south africa - LRA and others.

You think buddhism is a peaceful religion? look up Wirathu, the buddhist monk who wants to rape the UN envoy and murder the rohingyas.

>>733723285
I agree to that part, but political or not, they use Islamic ideology to win over people to fight for them. I'm not saying the religion or the teachings are inherently bad, just that there is some stuff in there that can be used to tell followers this is the right thing to do.
Just like how fundamental Christians use their ideology for wrong purposes too.
I think any kind of religion or ideology can be a dangerous thing when used by the wrong people and can give its followers a very twisted view of the world and of morality. Islam is no exception.

>>733723594
>You think buddhism is a peaceful religion?
Where did I say this?
If you also read my last post >>733723660 you'll see I'm not going against Islam only. Everything is dangerous when interpreted wrongly/exploited by the wrong people.

>>733723660
You remember Son of sam? He thought the dog was telling him to kill people, another thought jodie foster was telling him to do it. What difference does it make? The world's a fucked up place and there are a lot of crazy people in it. Just see /pol.

>>733723660
GTFO you have no idea what you are talking about, their ideology is bad. Mulsims for the sake of Muslims under Sharia to appease God. Mohammad is the example of a perfect man, a dog shit example.

>>733723594
What happened to the pagans? They were cool,bring them back, sacrifice aside.

Why anyone believes in any religion is beyond me.

>>733723812
I know you didn't say it. I am saying there is no religion above it.
Westerners have this idea of peaceful eastern religions and philosophy when they see some quote from dalai lama. I am saying if you look closely it is all shit man. It's just the same fucked up people, atheist, agnostic, theist, liberals - there are fucked up people in every rank and file.

>>733724098
Man I honestly think that's not it either. Would we not have school shootings if there was no religion? politics is another thing that attracts the crazies these days. Or drug violence, or kidnapping or just random killings. We have it all.

>>733719958
I'm pretty sure there are at least 3 - the one you posted plus two where the insert is blue (and she is looking at the camera in one shot)

>>733723959
Yup bring 'em back. I'm all for sacrificing virgins for a good harvest.

But I think they do the laundry and sell drugs to you now.

>>733717910
Fuck off, bcs of you Syria isnt getting help. You moderate bitches deny jihad. What should we do? Give the rapist a rose? Give the child killer a snicker? Stupid fag fuck yourself. Jihad is obligatory. Read quran 4:75. I hate moderate coconuts(head is empty) arrrghh fucking hate you guys

>>733721136
theres things muslim jurists disagree on, and things they agree on. killing apostates is largely agreed on, stoning adulterers is universal, as is killing gays for having sex, or "witches".

>>733717910
there is no moderate islam, except if you reject some parts of the quran.

>>733725471
And that is considered apostasy . For example denying Jihad. I hate ppl denying jihad. It literally says figjting killing etc. Im a muslim btw. We are not like christians turning the other cheek. Like giving your rapist your mouth after your ass

>>733725218
Why you getting in to all that shit? Have you ever been to UAE or Turkey. It's the place to go for adultery, clubbing, drugs, gays even witches. There's a lot of buttsecks in turkey, seen midnight express? there's drugs, drinking, whore mongering - in just about any place.

>>733717910
What's your favorite Ariana Grande concert?

>>733725719
>Why you getting in to all that shit
because someone started obfuscating.

and obviously, many muslim countries are ridiculously corrupt. but the obvious point is: in as far as they are liberal on sex, drugs, and superstition like "witchcraft", they are not following islamic prescriptions.

>>733725678
cool. now kill yourself

>>733719739
>some accounts

Made up shit on the spot. Kys.

>>733724367
I'm not saying the world would be perfect without religion, but at least people would make decisions based on reality rather than mythology.

>>733717910
Another Muslim here, people have preconceived notions about us anyway, and they're not going to change their mind. Why try to reason with these autists?

>>733720471
>Wouldn't they name it jesuschristland in that case instead?
No, because Constantine was catholic and we hold the copyright of the crusades, we need a name that differentiates us from other denominations.

>>733725994
Are the christian nations of Europe following the christian prescriptions to the T? Stoning their non virgin wifu and not working the sabbath and so on.

It's not necessarily corruption, they are liberalising and secularising to a certain extent. Just very very slowly.

>>733719371
Fucking kek

>>733726056
Reality is fucked up my friend. You need something to fill the void of that existential dread.

Russia took crimea, Ebola nearly made it out of Africa last year - wars, diseases, hidden interests. Trump alone has driven half the liberals to antidepressants, just to get out of bed - and none of it had anything to do with religion.

>>733726485
>preconceived notions
no, i only came to hate you, after i got to know you and the quran. before, i thought people criticising islam were xenophobic

>>733717910
Please do so immediately, but go back to your shit hut first so there are no civilian casualties in the process you subhuman fucking swine.

>>733717910
mfw white, guilt-ridden sjw faggots have resorted to posing as moderate muslims in an effort to convince people such a thing exists.
moderate muslims are the ones simply watching as women are stoned to death.
they don't throw any stones themselves, but they don't intervene either.
a moderate muslim is, at best, a jihadi enabler.

>>733726485
Because you subhumans insist on living among us you trog. Never forget it is YOU filthy vermin that come to OUR countries. We don't need you and we owe you nothing.

>>733727227
Well. You happy now bitch, you started the new crusades?

I'll see you /b/rothers on the road to jerusalem.

>>733726023
Its not killing yourself like u infidels do pathetically. Its sacrificing urself for a cause

>>733728425
>for a cause
the cause would be killing innocent people

>>733717910
why dont you muslims ring the alarm when you know somebody is radicalized
its sort of like north korea, which is also more like fascism than communism
islam = fascism. everybody is keeping eachother in check and face intimidation/violence when they accuse ANY other muslim of something

>>733728854

Islam is Arabic for submit they don't believe in personal freedom / responsibilities like we do everything is everyones business and if you do something they don't like your dead

>>733728854
Why dont white people ring an alarm when some whitefag goes postal?
There's a billion of them you've never heard from in countries you never hear a thing about. It's the same fucked up 2-3 countries causing all this shit for the last decade or so.

>>733729348
because the amount of random white people that shoot up shit comes close to the amount of muslim terrorism every other week? no it doesnt

>>733728425
suicide is higher because white people get raised with a sense of achievement and need to accomplish shit. when that fails they get depressed. its even higher in asian countries.
muslims on the other hand can live a life full of sin and if you still want to go to heaven all you have to do is kill a bunch of unbelievers.
then you have niggers that actually take pride in commiting crime & going to jail.
and then theres muslim niggers.

>>733720745
"...makes the whole world go blind."

Is the end of quote.

>>733717910
I have vodka but I don't want to wait for it to chill in the fridge. Should I just drink it at room temperature?

>>733729348
>Why dont white people ring an alarm when some whitefag goes postal?
I gladly would if I knew beforehand. And white people would praise me for it, thats the difference

>>733719643
>migration of LGBT retards reach the middle east

Would never happen. Even THEY know that they'd be beheaded instantly. What they fail to realize is that the mass migration of people from those places will bring the places problems with it.

Like exploding humans and public beheadings.

>>733730488
you need the following
a big bowl
lots of ice cubes
water
vodka in bottle
salt

place bottle in bowl, surround with ice cubes, throw in about 10 table spoons of salt, add water to about half an inch from the top of the bowl. wait 15 minutes, chilled as fuck vodka.

>>733717910
why would you believe in a fairytale book, which was copied from the bible, another fairytale book?

>>733729835
actually white people are gonna be shooting up shit every day of the week, every week, and have been for the past century - and that's just US.
>>733730620
That's the point. Cant see whats going on in some numbnuts head. And these sick fucks live among white people all the time.

>>733726522
>Are the christian nations of Europe following the christian prescriptions to the T?
nope, and thats amazing. just like the less islamic muslim-majority countries are mostly better than the more islamic ones. that just tells us that islam is crap though.

>>733728425
So you're attention whores about it then?
Whew, I was worried you guys were a threat, turns out your all a bunch of angsty teenage girls whose stepdads had boundary issues. So what BOTDF lyrics does "Allahu Akbar" translate to?