What is the cost of freedom?

>>733672926
Security.

>>733672996
No no no. Freedom is the cost of security.

>>733672996
/thread

>>733672926
at this point lots of killing. War scale. But really the cost is safety and luxury.

>>733673149
>>>733672926 (OP) (You)
>at this point lots of killing. War scale. But really the cost is safety and luxury.
But if we had true freedom, couldn't we defend ourselves?

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>>733672926

The price of freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness. -Robert A. Heinlein

>>733672996
I was going to say safety but we're on the same page.

Bout three fiddy

>>733673256
Interesting but wrong. A battle fought with out a plan is assured failure.

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>>733672996
>>733673092
>>733673285

Those who would sacrifice liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither.

>>733673243
good luck defending yourself while you're sleeping or out numbered. You would be lucky if someone gave up their freedom to keep you safe.

>>733673092
And death is the cost of Freedom. Freedom from this life

>>733672926

Ideology. It has to be destroyed.

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>>733673383

A muzzie comes running up to you swinging a machete yelling "Aloha kebab" you better react by instinct and draw your Ruger pistol and put rounds on target.

Unless you are a noguns unarmed cuck begging the state for protection with their monopoly on force from your knees.

>>733672926
Blood, sweat and tears.

About three dollar and fitty cen.

>>733673448
Everything comes at a cost anon, nothing is free. Security costs freedom, it is difficult to walk the line between what is acceptable. And it's not safety, it's a lot more cynical than that. Our government is prepared to keep functioning no matter what, massive individual loss of life is of concern, but not as much as insuring that the country endures. Sacrifice must be made so that we can continue.

>>733673602
Battle fought on a massive scale sir requires planning. Also why the fuck would I carry a ruger? There's better for the price.

>>733673807
>Everything comes at a cost anon, nothing is free. Security costs freedom, it is difficult to walk the line between what is acceptable. And it's not safety, it's a lot more cynical than that. Our government is prepared to keep functioning no matter what, massive individual loss of life is of concern, but not as much as insuring that the country endures. Sacrifice must be made so that we can continue.

What is this "we", or who is it?

>>733673990
Every modern western country. Critical infrastructure protection is the number one goal. Things must go on.

>>733674142
>Every modern western country. Critical infrastructure protection is the number one goal. Things must go on.

Hmm the Western Europe of the early 20th century did with the war, leading to the cucks we see now.

>>733673897
interesting but not 100% right either. A fast poorly planned move is better than a slow well thought out move in terms of combat. dumbed down is whoever hits the other guy first.

>>733672926

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

>>733674371
>The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

Interesting, care to elaborate?

>>733672926
meaningfulness

>>733672926
The lives of the men who protect it.
And the degeneration of the women who enjoy it.

>>733674330
yeah well things dont always go as planned, as idiots have the tendency to not die out quickly enough, and thus bring about poor judgement to democracy

>>733674429
no. because this thread is stupid, you're stupid, your mom is stupid. There is no such thing as true freedom. We are all slaves to something. Slaves to money. Slaves to women. Slaves to our own bodies.

Some would argue we have freedom of mind. If you call living in a box freedom. Your mind can only do what its capable of doing. Plus with all the patterns you see in people's thought I doubt you have freedom there either.

>>733675235
my dick is bigger than yours, you lose!

Freedom is a buck-o'nine

>>733672926
3 domo aligo

>>733675355
>assuming
>2k17
shiggydiggy

>>733675521
>current era
>not posting full frontal pic or didn't happen
>memearrows for assuming instead of implying
>not having vestigial dick

>>733673549
How fucking cringy can you be?

Welp. Threads dead. Thanks guys. OP out.

>>733675741
>Threads dead
implying
>>733675741
>OP out
wow you're so important we can't post anymore.

>>733675684
Well hes not exactly wrong. You're free from your worldly chains. Death isn't what people think it is though. I've not heard an explanation of what happens after death thats even close to right.

>>733673448
Correct. The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance and the blood of patriots. You aren't free if you're secure/safe, that's called the isolation wing in prison.

>>733672926
Both my legs and my left arm.

>>733672926
>buried in the ground, it is.

>>733672926
https://youtu.be/MOJ91H4mraU

>>733676497
>patriots
Nationalism is a cancer that only creates danger for anyone involved.

>>733672926
Responsibility.

the cost is to abide by laws, and obey.

>>733677353
Nationalism is freedom from authoritarian tyrants.

>>733677773
But nationalism is losing your freedom to follow an authoritarian tyrant of the State.

>>733672926
All I know is that freedom isn't free. No, there's a hefty fuckin' fee.

>>733678059
No, it certainly is not. Nationalism is fighting for the sovereignty of your nation against the threat of authoritarian rule by other countries, who claim to know what is best for you. You're either a Nationalist, or a Globalist (aka authoritarian).

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."

>>733672926
Freedom costs $1.05

>>733672926
Killing of those who won't respect it.

>>733678059
There's also a difference in definition between American Nationalism and European Nationalism, which can lead to confusion.

>>733678322
This is the American definition, which confuses Europeans since they think of something more like what you said, something like Hitler.

American Nationalism is what is being attacked on the news, since they're equating it to the European version, knowing that most people don't know the difference.

>>733678059
Oh and it's also the duty of the patriots to overthrow their own government if it becomes tyrannical. I'd like to see people try that under a Globalist One World Order, lol. That's in the US Declaration of Independence btw, but schools typically stop quoting it before that part. Don't want any free thinkers after all.

>>733676074
What IS right?

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The blood of your finest young men.

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>>733672926
FREEDOM COSTS A BUCK O' FIVE

>>733672926
5 bucks

>>733677353

And this is exactly why the west is overrun with muslims.
It is a crime to be proud of your own race and country.

You are a fucking disgrace

>>733680669
>west overrun with muslims
>wut

>>733673448
Too bad the story's hero has become the thug now, and the mindless sheep are sacrificing their freedom to his offer of fake security/safety

>>733680669
Yeah, you're right. Hitler, Himmler and Heydrich should've finished the job they set out to do with you slavs.

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No being a commie

>>733681080

You're not exactly smart huh

>>733672926
VIGILANCE

>>733681577

You slavs?
I am german

>>733679626
its like sleeping without dreams forever.

>>733681725
really? I hope so. do you agree with me?

>>733678590
Freedom isn't free. It costs folks like you and me.

>>733680225
If you don't throw in your buck'o five, who will?

>>733672926
Blood.

slaves

>>733677353
Retard, patriotism and nationalism are distinct.

>>733678322
You're even more retarded than the guy you're responding to.

>>733682448
Why, because I looked past his conflating things and just corrected his misconceptions? Or because you're a commie? lol

>>733682593
Because you gave such a rigid and unrrealistic dichotomy; pinning people only as nationalist and globalist greatly overcondenses other approaches to contemporary issues and puts separate yet vaguely similar ideas into those two categories. For instance, a patriot would be instantly pinned a nationalist despite being different. Likewise, someone who merely believes a degree of communication and trade between countries is mutually beneficial will get pinned a globalist shill trying to bring us into a world similar to Aldous Huxley's vision.

A Buck oh five

>>733683081
>>733682593
In other words, your ideas only start shit, not solve it.

>>733683081
That's because you are either one or the other. I didn't go into the general distinction of being a patriot since that overcomplicates things for people who can't even grasp what Nationalism is. Start small, go big later.

Trade is something very old and entirely different from Globalism. Anyone who conflates trade and Globalism is equally an idiot.

>>733683497
But you aren't, people are too complex for that.

Our grandfathers

>>733683552
Those are the only two options in this world, so unless you just don't know where you stand, then you will align with one of the other.

>>733683197
Wow, this took longer than I thought it would.

>>733683906
*or

I've heard people argue that before btw. When they get done explaining themselves, they clearly fit under Globalism. They support a majority of Globalist ideas, like imposing their will on other nations, via trade, immigration, etc. If you are a true Nationalist, then you stick to your own country and don't impose yourself on others.

The US used to be like that, but we've been overtaken by Globalist interests.

Your fucking mom

>>733683906
That's by far one of the most narrow and closed concepts ever proposed, a patriot does not a nationalist make and would detest to fall into either category of a constructed war between two entities that are almost completely fictional if played your way. You talk about conflation from your detractors but your false dichotomy leaves us to that as the only ending.

>>733674360
Look what happened after pearl harbor. Did the Americans lose?

>>733672926
true freedom?

Anarchy

>>733675235
A little bit pessimistic, but very true nontheless.

Slavery has not ended. It has merely put another more soft mask on disguised as 'work'

>>733684289
Strictly speaking, patriots are actually nationalistic by definition, since they support their country. You have no countries or sovereignty under Globalism.

>>733676074
When you die everything goes black, every sound fades as you pass into nothingness to your senses, yet become connected to everything in the form of energy.

>>733684289
>le big words make me sound smart maymay

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its taken too long for someone to post this fucking picture. i hate all of you faggots

>>733684929
The feeling is mutual.

>>733684556
No, Nationalism is appreciation, support, and aggressive interest in expanding and preserving the ideas of a national identity, which is not exclusive to a country. Nationalism encompasses groups like Nazis, Black Power, White Power, Gandhi's supporters, the IRA, and so on.

Patriotism is the love for one's country and only operates defensively when necessary. Patriot groups include the NRA and various revolutionary forces who fought to end authoritarian rules in favor of establishing a free country with it's own identity. While related, they are distinct. If we were to follow your logic and apply it to Capitalism vs. Communism, then that completely cuts out socialists and syndicalists and American Liberals and moderate capitalists. Just because they're related and sway closer to one way or the other, doesn't make them part of that collection, hence false dichotomy fallacy.

>>733684714
>words like "detest," "construct," and "fictional" are "big words"
Gr80 b80 m80, I r80 80/8p no h80.

>>733685288
Incorrect. You apparently completely missed my pointing out the differences between American Nationalism and European Nationalism. You're definition of Nationalism is the European one.

>>733685478
*your hate it when I do that, lol.

>>733685478
Irrelevant, American Nationalism is fundamentally the same as European with the added distinction the former is merely a subset or perhaps a variant of the latter and espouses ideals held by people from specifically the USA.

A buck o' five.

>>733684531
Agreed.

But that means telling all the people with money and guns to take a hike. Anarchists always end up taking it on the chin, which in a weird way shows that our ideas have merit.

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>>733672926
More freedom = less security
More security = less freedom

I would still prefer more security
Because too much freedom = anarchy
And too much security = facism

And i would always take facism above anarchism (pic related)

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>>733673602
>Ruger Pistal

You mean dis?

>>733685870
No, American Nationalism believes in the right of every country to be sovereign. It was born out of our fight for independence as is quite different from European Nationalism. That's precisely why the slogan now is "America First", because that is the American Nationalism that we used to have before everything became corrupted.

It's right there in the name and we name things what they literally are, like cellphone, lol. Nation-alism, it's quite simply about being a sovereign nation.

>>733678059
YOU are the state, you can choose to terrorize yourself or some mudslims or whatnot.

>>733686223
>>733685870
For example, Ron Paul is very much an American Nationalist. Why? Because he's non-interventionist and believes in maintaining sovereign nations.

Freedom isn't free.it cost folks like you and me. If you don't chip in, we'll never pay that bill. Freedom isn't free. no it's a hefty fuckin' fee and if you don'e chip in your buck-O-five, who will?


Freedom costs a buck-O-five.